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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2008 08:11 GMT
#5485
i dont think we have a good case against anyone else, at least not as good as unforgiven

jtan is an option thx to associate, i'd put him next in line, but i still feel that unforgiven has stronger clues pointing towards him...

last time i had a brainwave like this d.arkive got away and hurt us badly - i'd hate for that to happen again
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2008 08:16 GMT
#5487
Rowdierbob ranks 4th on my list

My confidence in him dropped last night due to Chuiu explicitly saying that Mr Pink loved to cause pain.. it really made me wonder.. that (i guess) supports nightmare as pink - atm it's between those two
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2008 08:33 GMT
#5489
yea and i don't blame you for that... mr pink has been one of the biggest enigmas all game..
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2008 11:29 GMT
#5490
qrs may i inquire about your voting sureshot and ninja4ever?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 13 2008 12:36 GMT
#5492
+ Show Spoiler +
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. okay this could be a ninja

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.

With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock.(This also could be a ninja) As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow (ouch so much for ninja reflexes) as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.

He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot. (odd ninja using a shotgun?)

Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.

"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building. (nothing really ninjaish from these paragraphs, Mr White's laziness shines through though)

They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. (loosely connected to ninja) xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground.


G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town (oh so how very not ninja) and then pulled out a gun to kill him. (not ninja) G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head (very non-ninjaish imo) and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.

Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away (woah hold up, stealthy ninja wanting attention?) so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, (odd for a ninja) a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest.(don't ninja's generally kill fast?)
imo enoguh doubt from those passages to question whether Mr blond actually is a ninja or not...

+ Show Spoiler +
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head. (this does apply to SS)

The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. (again this can apply to SS)

He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. He rolled to the side and started searching around for a weapon of his own as he jumped up from the ground. (this gets a little more deviant from the norm, i suppose it's loosely conencted)

Last Romantic was driving around looking for a bar still open late night when he finally found one, or thought he did. The Wolf was waiting inside the cleverly disguised building and had a gun ready for ambush. As Last Romantic walked in he approached The Wolf and ordered a drink. The Wolf served him and a minute or two passed by before he realized the bar was completely empty except for him and The Wolf. Finally he got up and asked why there were no other customers. The Wolf pointed to the door where Eddie stood, (this is very strange for the wolf - but we note on all occasions thus far the wolf has ambushed, or stepped out from no where to approach his victims)

Eddie stopped him instead and pointed back at The Wolf. Finally The Wolf ended the charade and shot Last Romantic in the head. (SS yes...)

The Wolf had been tracking his target for quite some time. His target, GranDim, had been driving around all over town in a white van. When he finally stopped at a gas station to get gas The Wolf got in position for the kill. He silently waited for GranDim to fill up his gas and pay for it then ambushed him right before he got back in his van. GranDim and The Wolf got in fist fight and it was soon obvious who was better trained for it. The Wolf whittled GranDim down with every punch and eventually knocked him out on the door of the van. To finish him off The Wolf searched the van for some drugs and gave GranDim overdoses of everything he could find. (coincides with observation in the previous clue... but barely connected to sureshot)
I feel there are more clues which need exploring before settling on sureshot - the link between ambush/coming from nowhere in every single clue is intriguing to say the least, and that should be explored imo.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 14 2008 11:40 GMT
#5503
On May 14 2008 14:37 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
i just read scorch's post and i agree with it
hehe i'm pretty sure you're not mafia and when i saw the RB link i was like :O!!! glad that scorch brought it back up - but your still a suspect but im not confident in taking that chance yet

On May 14 2008 17:30 Camlito wrote:
I find it funny how all the major suspects now protect eachother >.>.
It's great how theres a division in the camps between "suspects" and myself and co. If unforgiven is red he's just given us a nice list of mafia candidates haha

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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 14 2008 11:51 GMT
#5504
On May 14 2008 03:43 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
to be honest i dont think DamageControl is mafia...so you'll be seeing 2 townies die today.

i will be posting my suspect list soon, im sure 2 or 3 are mafia

edit: i just dont see why you have to put me ahead of ninja4ever, suresh0t or nightmare
On May 14 2008 03:40 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
I vote for DamageControl and and ninja4ever

?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 13:02:02
May 14 2008 12:28 GMT
#5507
as a gentle reminder...

Case for Unforgiven being mafioso

Exhibit A
noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone.
We note this peculiar phrase, and implies that the driver of the vehicle must be doing something obscure while driving to be able to look for things

Exhibit B
"Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help,
Firstly we observe that he needs assistance carrying (a sick) person into the back of his car. And the fact that he acknowledges and appreciates it suggests that he needed the help.

Exhibit C
He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van.
Rather interesting choice of words "decided to be short". This coincides with the idea of Joe needing help to lift someone into his van

Exhibit D
Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.
We note that he gives a thumbs up

Exhibit E
Smiling from the roof of the gas station Joe
We note that he is smiling

Exhibit F
Joe would jump him from above and knock him out cold instantly then hang him from the wall.
We notes that he in going to "jump" onto him rather than "drop" onto him

Exhibit G
he ran over and jumped onto the top of the car causing a huge indentation.
Once again joe jumps onto a car - obvious gaining some serious height if he is going to cause an indentation

Exhibit H
Naib got out of his car as fast as he could to see Joe standing up. Joe then kicked Naib in the face, being in the perfect spot to do so
We note that joe is in the perfect spot to kick him in the face - this again implies that he is short

Exhibit I
As Naib was getting up he slashed him repeatedly with the end of the bottle and kicked him back to the ground.
We note that joe can only attack naib once he is on the ground, when he tries to get up he is "kicked" back to the ground - this again coincides with the fact that he is short

[image loading]

This image fits every single aspect of joe's character without fail. He fits the car driver in having to do something weird to look for his friend. He fits the short description and the fact he needs help to lift someone into his car. He fits the idea that joe needs to 'jump' around. He fits the kick. He fits the smile and the thumbs up.

Unforgiven absolutely has to be mafia

+ Show Spoiler [follow up posts] +
On May 11 2008 18:21 nemY wrote:
I don't really think Unforgiven is mafia here either.

-I don't see how Exhibit A has anything to relate to Unforgiven
-Exhibit B seems questionable to me. A normal person on his own would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of roughly the same size into the back seat of a car... unless he dragged him in or had help.
-Exhibit D doesn't make much sense if Unforgiven is a short rabbit, how could he give someone a thumb's up sign and hold someone else down from behind?
-If Joe really is Unforgiven, than Unforgiven shouldn't have any way of being able to talk (since he's a bunny). If crazie-penguin couldn't talk, why should Unforgiven be able to?

Sadly I can't really offer anyone else as a potential alternative for Joe though


My Response

lol unforgiven your analysis falls down on the count that information comes from one section of the profile only

case in point; d.arkive
[image loading]

every single clue from taipan snake pertained to that single picture - hence my accusation stands

On May 11 2008 18:21 nemY wrote:
-I don't see how Exhibit A has anything to relate to Unforgiven
Fair enough, but i ask you this - in the middle of the night can you really tell if someone is obviously looking for someone? I beleive if that bunny was driving then he would be serving over the road imo or similar.. i just thought it was particularly peculiar

-Exhibit B seems questionable to me. A normal person on his own would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of roughly the same size into the back seat of a car... unless he dragged him in or had help.
I do beleive that a normal sized person would have been able to drag his friend into the car without assistance - so why does joe need Lucas to help him? because he cant do it himself, its impossible

-Exhibit D doesn't make much sense if Unforgiven is a short rabbit, how could he give someone a thumb's up sign and hold someone else down from behind?
Note that there is no place where where the person was held by the rabbit - its plausible that the rabbit could still hold him - how can a penguin hold someone's legs? its flippers are incapable of holding legs? its somewhat of the same issue imo

-If Joe really is Unforgiven, than Unforgiven shouldn't have any way of being able to talk (since he's a bunny). If crazie-penguin couldn't talk, why should Unforgiven be able to?
That is an interesting point and quite frankly i don't have a complete answer for it... Blind Albino didn't talk - yet he was able to... Although given this sole flaw i still strongly feel that unforgiven is mafia and that the clues stacked against him are stronger than any other person in this game... i've been over the profiles so many times and im so certain about this - like d.arkive sure

+ Unforgiven is on the mandalor list (50% chance to kill) which always makes me more confident

Sadly I can't really offer anyone else as a potential alternative for Joe though

Case in point - he's the best fit

On May 11 2008 17:42 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
sup, well...i dont have much to say about plexa's clues, just that my picture being the source of all the clues pointing to me is a little too much, of ourse im not mafia, im sure Chuiu is a lot more capable of finding a lot of clues pointing to me, and be aware since L died not any clues is "smiling", but is true we need more suspects...on a side note im 6f 4' and 180lbs and thats not short lol.

On May 12 2008 05:55 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2008 19:05 Plexa wrote:
lol unforgiven your analysis falls down on the count that information comes from one section of the profile only

case in point; d.arkive
[image loading]

every single clue from taipan snake pertained to that single picture - hence my accusation stands

On May 11 2008 18:21 nemY wrote:
-I don't see how Exhibit A has anything to relate to Unforgiven
Fair enough, but i ask you this - in the middle of the night can you really tell if someone is obviously looking for someone? I beleive if that bunny was driving then he would be serving over the road imo or similar.. i just thought it was particularly peculiar

-Exhibit B seems questionable to me. A normal person on his own would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of roughly the same size into the back seat of a car... unless he dragged him in or had help.
I do beleive that a normal sized person would have been able to drag his friend into the car without assistance - so why does joe need Lucas to help him? because he cant do it himself, its impossible

-Exhibit D doesn't make much sense if Unforgiven is a short rabbit, how could he give someone a thumb's up sign and hold someone else down from behind?
Note that there is no place where where the person was held by the rabbit - its plausible that the rabbit could still hold him - how can a penguin hold someone's legs? its flippers are incapable of holding legs? its somewhat of the same issue imo

-If Joe really is Unforgiven, than Unforgiven shouldn't have any way of being able to talk (since he's a bunny). If crazie-penguin couldn't talk, why should Unforgiven be able to?
That is an interesting point and quite frankly i don't have a complete answer for it... Blind Albino didn't talk - yet he was able to... Although given this sole flaw i still strongly feel that unforgiven is mafia and that the clues stacked against him are stronger than any other person in this game... i've been over the profiles so many times and im so certain about this - like d.arkive sure

+ Unforgiven is on the mandalor list (50% chance to kill) which always makes me more confident

Sadly I can't really offer anyone else as a potential alternative for Joe though

Case in point - he's the best fit



exactly, we know Chuiu is a very smart guy, so, to just find clues about the characters parting from the pic in profiles is just weak (you can find a lot of information just googling my unoriginal nick ;D) i dont think chuiu had to use the same metod to find clues about 2 characters (me and d.arkive) besides, we have a lot more of strongest suspects and SUNDENLY you start a bandwagon against me =(...i dont want to belive the theory that says "ZOMG PLEXA'S MAFIA LULZ"...but this attack against me is disapointing =(


Editors note: That sure as hell was a flimsy defense by Unforgiven
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 01:45 GMT
#5526
On May 15 2008 05:06 nemY wrote:
Exhibit B I can possibly see, but even then a normal sized person would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of equivalent size into a car. Exhibit D still don't make sense as the bunny is flipping us off rather than giving a thumbs up (perhaps Chuiu could have misinterpreted it though).
Originally the town interpreted the image as a "thumbs up" until unforgiven pointed out that hey, it's actually him giving the finger isn't it cute? So it's a valid mistake imo.

So yeah, he's probably mafia. Anyone know anything about Kuja9000 being Mr. Blond (I don't know much about final fantasy, so if there is anyone who does can they look into it)?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kuja
I like this connection, but we have alot of player outside the list atm... too many infact
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 01:56 GMT
#5527
The fact that everyone is voting DamageControl is rather worrying =/ he may actually turn up green
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 02:06 GMT
#5530
fair enough - his inactivity kinda support that theory
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 02:26 GMT
#5533
On May 15 2008 11:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:56 Plexa wrote:
The fact that everyone is voting DamageControl is rather worrying =/ he may actually turn up green


lol wtf? wasnt he your PRIMARY suspect?!?!?!
yea he is so what?
my concerns have been nullified
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 03:44 GMT
#5538
if both of you turn up green i seriously quit mafia
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 15 2008 13:48 GMT
#5541
Just a heads up, im gone for the weekend (debating nationals) and won't get a chance to look at this until say sunday night!!

Gl town!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 18 2008 11:48 GMT
#5584
howdy ho town!

So what happened at this debate tournament is that my team broke 1st (ie going into the semifinals we were the strongest team) and then lost the semifinals based on a technicality really really sucks

anyway, lets see what exactly is going on here...

DC being green is not surprising given how unforgiven voted, and actually unforgiven has given us a lot of information:
i just dont see why you have to put me ahead of ninja4ever, suresh0t or nightmare

Therefore it is rather safe to conclude that all three are innocent (or there abouts unless more evidence suggests otherwise)

Given that unforgiven didn't pass the torch onto clazziquai (or another suspect for that matter) intensifies my suspicion of Clazziquai (note nemy defended unforgiven with reasonably sound analysis and even though he was red , i think nemy had the towns best intentions at heart). Clazz has been a suspect for some time now, and there is a decent case against him (even independent of clues) that we can warrant a lynching here. In addition to that we must look at 0cz3c as well due to the similarity of these two in relation to other mafia.

As much as i appreciate pink's analysis, some of it seems.. rather iffy ... almost mafiash >.> i mean, can anyone else honestly see the connection to the wolf from qrs? anyone got his history? and we should be keeping tabs on people with analysis this questionable (eg. unforgiven)
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 19 2008 05:08 GMT
#5596
On May 19 2008 06:41 ahrara_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote:
howdy ho town!

So what happened at this debate tournament is that my team broke 1st (ie going into the semifinals we were the strongest team) and then lost the semifinals based on a technicality really really sucks

What tournament was this? Do you mean you lost to a procedural?

One time I had a team come up with a total bullshit interpretation, but they won because they prepared we went all out topicality but they had prepared an 8 minute subpointed T rebuttal during prep...
bah we decided to be ballsy and propose a counter model and essentially even though we destroyed theirs throughly - ours was unsubstantiated, well less substantiated than theirs and hence we lost if we had simply omitted it then we would have won

On May 19 2008 00:58 Scorch wrote:
It's not yet safe to say Ninja, suresh0t and Nightmare are innocent just because Unforgiven pointed the finger at them. Unforgiven may have tried to actually protect one of his brethren by doing this. After all, who would suspect them if Unforgiven tried to get them lynched?
I don't think it's unreasonable to think there's still a mafia among Ninja, suresh0t and Nightmare. Of course it's not guaranteed either. That being said, I agree that Clazziquai has risen in suspicion.
Well, seeing as the evidence against all three candidates is shady at best (go on, try to demonstrate otherwise) then until we literally have no avenues to pursue i would never warrant the lynching of them. At least in my mind these guys are innocent enough for me to discount them in the mandalor list
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-19 05:37:07
May 19 2008 05:36 GMT
#5598
clazziquai, who do you think is mr orange then?
even more, who do think is mafia?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 19 2008 09:02 GMT
#5600
On May 19 2008 17:32 Scorch wrote:
Mafia again taking three days to write up five names. What the hell can be so difficult about that?
I have a suggestion, Chuiu. How about you limit the next night to 48 hours, and if there's no kill list after that, you select random targets with one less killing power as a punishment?
How about he just writes as follows
[image loading]
The night was eerily calm as the town concealed themselves against the imminent mafia attack. All but one house was silent, this house was full of laughter, loud music and beer. The mafia sat huddled round a table waiting for Mr Orange to make his move. Without saying a word he pushed all his chips in sending a ripple of excitement through the remaining mafia. "Hah! I call your bluff!" exclaimed Mr Blue as he too pushed the majority of his chips into the center of the table. The showdown revealed Mr Blue's folly and Mr Orange walked away with a sizable stack of chips. Yes, the mafia were having a great time tonight playing their favorite pastime poker and drinking copious amounts of alcohol. Unfortunately for Eddie, Mr Black came prepared with a funnel and despite Eddie successfully completing his funnel he was far too intoxicated to reveal his orders for the night. Indeed, all the mafia were drunk out of their minds and not a single resident of Liquidia was harmed in the night.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 19 2008 09:08 GMT
#5602
hahaha
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 20 2008 12:14 GMT
#5653
expect a statement soon
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