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On May 06 2008 21:30 qrs wrote: I vote clazziquai: Plexa and MTF have a decent track record, but if I don't know why I'm voting for someone, I don't vote for him. so why are you voting clazziquai whos evidence is rather dubious ?
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I thought about this long and hard before i slept last night an i am convinced GeneralStan is mafia... namely eddie...
Firstly - remember MTF's analysis regarding "fire then retreat"? He linked it to jtan, which is fair enough... but its also a military tactical move - which coinsides with the fact generalstan is the general
Secondly - many many military references scattered about the clues
Thridly - Eddie is the leader, and for one it looks like the mafia staged somewhat of a military coup against Chuiu
The bitter truth set in their gut as they both stared down their ex-brethren. Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their lives hanged on the balance. hello!? isn't it screaming you in the face?
Fourthly - frequent reference to "his orders went out" - or something to that effect, ie once again a connection to him being a general
Fifthly - Eddie is an able fighter, strong and whatnot which once again coincides with the military connection
There are other minor points that i can't remember right at this moment but he definitly has the strongest case built for him for him being eddie - he incorporates every aspect of eddie not just one (as with jtan) so let's go with it... on top of that he is on the mandalor list which boosts his chances and on my controversial list... everything is stacked against him and i'm sure we've found a mafia...
It's in my best interest to kill mafia today as to reduce the chance of myself dying to mafia (becuase their kill count gets reduced) and i think that of all suspects GeneralStan is actually the most subtantiated.
I'm eager to hear your rebuttle
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On March 20 2008 01:32 GeneralStan wrote: I change my vote from Ace to randombum
On March 20 2008 01:31 GeneralStan wrote: Randombum is ahead! Good work guys!
On March 24 2008 06:46 GeneralStan wrote: I vote Mandalor
On March 28 2008 10:50 GeneralStan wrote: First vote Wurm Second vote Ghar
And despite talking quite a bit after that, no votes
also he joined the randombum vote train right before L and BlindAlbino voted randombum
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seeing as we're set for today... who are we lynching on our double lynch!
im suggesting DamageControl SoMuchBetter Dr.Dragoon
(in that order)
opinions?
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of course, but i mean we should still be talking about suspects if nothing more than to promote activity...
Associate has been thinking about jtan as Mr Blue for the lurker connection.. and its not without reason, there is plenty of room to say Mr Blue is a lurker but...He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car. MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off. Seems to imply that MTF's head coming off was clean.. i beleive this is a reference to californian mountain snake... i wonder what that fucking object is -.-;
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Let me draw your attention to this clue
Smiling from the roof of the gas station Joe was ready to make his kill. It was all planned out, Naib would exit after he closed the store and Joe would jump him from above and knock him out cold instantly then hang him from the wall. Unfortunately for Joe he hadn't expected Naib to exit out the back of the building. He was quite confused as he saw Joe getting into his car parked on the side so he ran over and jumped onto the top of the car causing a huge indentation. Naib got out of his car as fast as he could to see Joe standing up. Joe then kicked Naib in the face, being in the perfect spot to do so and looked inside Naib's car for a weapon to use. He found a glass bottle and broke off the end of it. As Naib was getting up he slashed him repeatedly with the end of the bottle and kicked him back to the ground. Joe finished Naib off by stabbing him through the heart with the jagged end of the bottle. Okay, wtf at that bolded passage... It reads as if jow 'flew' from the building to Naib's car (on the other side of the parking lot) or that joe dropped down onto Naib's car parked along side the building. When joe drops down he create "a huge indentation" which implies that he is heavy and then theres the bottle later on as a weapon..
Im looking at suspects like ZBiR (thug), JimTudor (ice hockey - team player?) for joe.. am i looking in the right plale?
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On May 08 2008 04:36 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2008 21:58 Plexa wrote:Let me draw your attention to this clue Smiling from the roof of the gas station Joe was ready to make his kill. It was all planned out, Naib would exit after he closed the store and Joe would jump him from above and knock him out cold instantly then hang him from the wall. Unfortunately for Joe he hadn't expected Naib to exit out the back of the building. He was quite confused as he saw Joe getting into his car parked on the side so he ran over and jumped onto the top of the car causing a huge indentation. Naib got out of his car as fast as he could to see Joe standing up. Joe then kicked Naib in the face, being in the perfect spot to do so and looked inside Naib's car for a weapon to use. He found a glass bottle and broke off the end of it. As Naib was getting up he slashed him repeatedly with the end of the bottle and kicked him back to the ground. Joe finished Naib off by stabbing him through the heart with the jagged end of the bottle. Okay, wtf at that bolded passage... It reads as if jow 'flew' from the building to Naib's car (on the other side of the parking lot) or that joe dropped down onto Naib's car parked along side the building. When joe drops down he create "a huge indentation" which implies that he is heavy and then theres the bottle later on as a weapon.. Im looking at suspects like ZBiR (thug), JimTudor (ice hockey - team player?) for joe.. am i looking in the right plale? ugh... just as I revealed what zbir means T_T Yeah, thugs dent cars and use broken bottles... But it wasn't me!  just fyi - i already knew about the polish translation 
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fail? ok fusionsdf's call was wrong... MTF suspects (as of his last pm to me) + Show Spoiler [nightmare] +It may be worth the risk to hit Nightmare, anyway.
There's no kill change if we hit Mafia tonight or not, Nightmare is in the Showtime! list and if we miss, we at least narrow it down, and Nightmare is our current strongest suspect from such.
The benefits of trying him out (six innocents, four of which are also cleared from Mandalor list, confirmed if he's red or a reduction of one possibility out of a small seven if he's green) outweigh the benefits of going after a safer lynch to me. + Show Spoiler [damagecontrol] +From what I've deduced, he hasn't been terribly active 'since he got his account in summer of last year. Yet, in the past week he's made 24 posts in other places around the site, and possibly an even more substantial number 'since the game started.
This activity combined with the clues, which I think are really strong, all told, convinces me.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: it got rushed with Queasy, Albino clazz and 0zc - all mafia haha
why are you so sure about damage control? + Show Spoiler [Bugzltoonl] +There's just too much ambiguity fkor all these links to add up right now.
I think we really just have to wait for day to decide, even though I may or may not be around to help out.
anyway, I'm out for awhile.
G'night
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Bugs' accent is a mixture of the bronx and brooklyn..
The accent reminds me of copperheads :O and the fact the pocket was too large can be accoutned for by it being a cartoon :O
wtf?
oh and in the event that i die... + Show Spoiler +MTF: See if you can find the hidden message in the poem at the bottom of my blog post. :p
I'll give you a hint; it becomes relevant in the case of us both being dead.
i'll keep fishing for more of his suspects.. tomorrow in the double lynch we go back to basics and lynch some of the big candidates of the last couple days.. the GeneralStan lynch confirms my suspicion that all the clues are located within each characters profile and hence the clue in the most recent day post with someones head being sliced off does not refer to Californian Mountain Snake. This does put an interesting spin on that set of clues...
So while GS was a greenie we gained some strategical insight into further analysis.. i've got some other stuff coming along soon regarding a long time suspicion of mine that i talked over with MTF quite substantially that i might find time to type up - nemY already knows who it is
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On May 09 2008 15:56 qrs wrote: Well, I didn't think he was our strongest suspect, but it was worth a shot, I guess. Now we can go on to surer cases like suresh0t (Wolf) clazziquai (Orange) ninja (Blonde)
right? MTF from a pm about 1.5 weeks ago Those I would feel safe killing right now:
DamageControl Eti307 Ninja4ever. ieatkids5 Clazziquai suresh0t
Those I think we should wait another cycle on for more clues:
Ulszz (though we maybe should still act on him) Dr.Dragoon SoleSteeler L (merely to give him that one last testable chance) SoMuchBetter ZBiR/str/someone else taunting me in my nightmares Ozc3z
Those on the bottom other than L I just would feel safer taking out with another set of clues to them. The guys on top I feel already have very solid, secure cases against them. I don't have any particular suspects I disagree with other than ZBiR.
on that note i feel that Ninja is not mr blonde at this point, and ETI was disproved...
EDIT: upon re-reading the latest nights clues i have a feeling he could still be a ninja, although the shattering windows doesn't coincide with a ninja character, the fact that the whole event was done fast, accurately and with knives suggests that he is.
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As of MTF's death, this was the list we agreed upon as suspects
Mr. Brown: Dr.Dragoon Mr. Blue: ? Mr. Pink: ? Mr. Orange: Clazziquai # Mr. Black: DamageControl Eddie.: jtan The Wolf.: suresh0t # Mr Blonde.: Ninja4ever # Copperhead.: 0zc3z # Californian Mountain Snake.: SoMuchBetter # CottonMouth.: ? Joe.: ?
# means mandalor list
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He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car. MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off.
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.
Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating. Slight chance that Mr Blue could be a lurker ala jtan?
+ Show Spoiler +- _ - says: He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and - _ - says: OH WOW - _ - says: THAT ISNT OBVIOUS - _ - says: >.> Plexa: ya - _ - says: turned in retreat - _ - says: marine runing - _ - says: went into a lurker - _ - says: fk sake - _ - says: jtan is mr blue - _ - says: 100% positive associate think so so should you
also theres CDRdude's
avilo: Every now and then a lurker has to unburrow to reach a new position on the map, and become even more of a legend.
given he's on the showtime list... might be worth the gambit
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list of wrestling moves; E.Z. Money/Jason Jett Money Clip, Catapult Somersault into Clothesline Flying Moonsault Splash Inverted crucifix powerbomb Backflip Splash Rope Handspring Back Elbow Smash Pendulem of Pain, Arm/Leg Lifting Surfboard Stretch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_holds#Surfboard
sound familiar?
any wrestlers in the house camlito?+ Show Spoiler +there are also numerous references to other wrestling acts like using a wrench to kill someone etc (all localised in mr orange btw)
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and i would lynch damage control and nightmare :3
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I feel i have sufficient information to say a number of things regarding the dropping of clues based on what has transpired. The generalstan lynch was the final piece of information i required to complete this.
One thing to note about the clues is that all the characters that have been lynched so far have had a particular facet about them that is completely unique, or specific enough to make the link unique.
EvilMonkey was the only person in the list with a monkey reference d.arkive was the only person in the list with a reference to "Direct Current" and the strange device carried around by Taipan ieatkids was the only person with a reference to laziness blindalbino was the only person with a reference to being blind I dont' think theres any more need to keep naming mafia, because its pretty obvious
So what does this mean? Firstly, the lurker clue is invalidated (im 99% sure about this). Due to the overlap between jtan and CDRdude it means that lurkers are not a unique clue pointing to one person only. Now, if the lurker is indeed a clue there will be something else about Mr Blue's character which links definitely it to one or the other.
On to my next point, which may be rather obvious by now, those with obvious clue references (like spelt out for us) are not mafia...
Ghar was not mafia because the link between his picture and the action was blatantly obvious Shadowdrgn was not mafia because the links to mr blonde were (at the time) inconsistent and too obvious MidnightGladius was too obvious... GeneralStan falls under the same category
Therefore in future we can avoid making the same mistake again...
Moving onto a similar point, if we search too deep we're just going to get confused and find links which are inconsistent. qrs has pointed out a number of these before they went bad, others have too which is good.
But what this means is that Scorch is undoubtedly not Mr Blue or Mr Pink - he could still be mafia (not likely) - but he's definitely not either character.
Lastly the clues are entirely located within the character text, ie relate to the specific character - not random phrases (as it was last game).
GeneralStan proves this conclusively as there were soo many military references throughout the clues yet he was not mafia.
As a corollary, the most recent Day post where someone's head gets taken off the object thrown was NOT thrown by Californian Mountain Snake hence applies to another character - and thats likely to be a pivotal clue to say the least.
Ill issue a list of suspects with all of these thoughts in mind sometime soon
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When analyzing these clues i tried to keep an open mind about me and try find better fits.. i think i have found a number although some of the old analysis still stands.
Mr Pink + Show Spoiler +"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull.
Mr. Brown opened the door and he and Mr. Pink walked out. "I hope you guys were looking for trouble because you just found it" said Mr. Pink and they both threw punches at their respective targets.
Zeks put up a bit of a fight as he took on Mr. Pink, but Mr. Pink was determined to make him feel some pain. He finally got him into a corner and pulled out a can and a lighter. Mr. Pink emptied the contents of the can onto Zeks and lit him on fire. Zeks tried to put the fire out by rolling on the ground but it kept burning. He was about to get up and pull off his clothes but Mr. Pink decided he had suffered enough and knocked Zeks unconscious and let him burn to death. The highlighted passages pertain to Mr Pink loving pain. Indeed, i think we are all in agreement here.. so when we consider this idea of 'pain' a couple suspects jump out.. but note only in the last set of clues did we see 'pain' mentioned explicitly... thus upon my last examination of the profiles one stands out above rest..
![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/userfiles/3611.gif?1171388550) that picture comes from RowdierBob and i feel is a pretty strong connection to Mr Pink... the alternative is Nightmare, which i don't think is that strong tbh...
Mr Blue + Show Spoiler +Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.
Mr. Blue was first up, and he was outside the house of fusionsdf. He noticed him in the living room and decided to try to sneak in from the back. All windows locked he tried the back door. When he was left with no other option he decided to kick in the door which alerted fusionsdf. He ran to the back of his house to see Mr. Blue coming in. fusionsdf knew exactly what was going on and grabbed an umbrella that was sitting by the door. He stabbed at Mr. Blue and flailed at him trying to fight him off but Mr. Blue evaded the blows and grabbed hold of the umbrella and yanked it out of fusionsdf's hands. He broke the handle hitting fusionsdf over the head with it and discarded it. fusionsdf dived forward and tackled Mr. Blue to the ground but Mr. Blue shoved him to the side and quickly got up. He grabbed up the umbrella again and stabbed down at fusionsdf. The tip was enough to do severe damage to fusionsdf, and he stabbed through his chest as if it were nothing. Pretty soon fusionsdf was dead from the beating.
He gasped in horror and turned in retreat but found Mr. Blue in his way. MTF panicked, feeling his life in serious danger, and plowed through Mr. Blue toward his car. MTF was almost there when a flying object met contact with his neck and severed his head right off. I'm still confident in my analysis regarding mr blue being incompetent, but i suppose that he didn't quite fit the idea of a noob. But now i think i've found an even stronger suspect 
Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Mr Blue is doing something new and failing... i feel that this repeats throughout - but im too lazy to actually go through it all xD but yes, in the next set mr blue does something new and goes around the back to get in, and the umbrella breaking etc and stuff like that.. and then this quote sticks out at me..
A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new ETI307 is indeed mafia and well, mr blue to be precise 
Californian Mountain Snake + Show Spoiler +the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake.
He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in. If all other connections run dry then this should be the answer.. Obviously its he's got something sharp and this;
coincides rather well with the description from the latest clue (but not the previous imo).. thus Ziel could possibly be mafia..
On top of those my other strong suspects which i've already talked about are;
DamageControl as mr Black Clazziquai as mr orange 0cz3c as Copperhead Dr.Dragoon as Mr Brown jtan as eddie
+ my news ones RowdierBob as Mr Pink ETI307 as Mr Blue Ziel as Californian Mountain Snake (or SMB) i have other weak suspects but those are my strong ones
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On May 11 2008 00:37 jtan wrote:ok Plexa, your posts are good, but some connections are just very weak I think the best strategy is to lynch people that voted mandalor and have some suspiciouns against them I remade a list, I think it should be correct + Show Spoiler + Ace ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero Scorch nemY Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. SoleSteeler Romance_us Plexa RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito fanatacist SonuvBob butidigress
35 in list 8 mafia
50 not in list 4 mafia
So you only have a 4/50= 8% chance of hitting a mafia outside the list and 8/35=23% in it So the obvious strategy is to go for list people first Yea some connections are weak (like Ziel) and ill openly admit that.. i have SoMuchBetter lined up as a stronger candidate imo...
The thing is, im privy to highly sensitive information and thus in my mandalor list i have ~16 people in it with 8 mafioso.. thats 50% hit ratio 
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if i were mafia all the medics would be dead by now
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