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On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all 
oooooooooh! you're vertically challenged you say? "That was low, even for you" said another mafia." sound familiar? it makes sense. vertically challenged could mean that you're "low". what doesnt make sense is why you would intentionally make a statement like that. unless you want me to think that it doesnt make sense and a mafia member would never give himself away because you're ............MAFIOSO!!
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2008 12:02 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:56 CDRdude wrote:
I vote for RON PAUL. No, I'm just kidding. Is that even funny anymore? No, it's not. RP advocates teaching creationism in schools. Bastard. Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH"
Edit: Or is it "sike"? Oh noes, an edit. You are soooo dead mate. Sorry to say it. Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
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what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all Ooooo... a link to the short clue thing?
I posted that after the story that contained the clues. It was a nod to dragoon saying that it went over my head.
Live2Win EDIT: I'm trying to fix your quotes.
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Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to.
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On February 12 2008 12:03 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:
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what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all oooooooooh! you're vertically challenged you say? "That was low, even for you" said another mafia." sound familiar? it makes sense. vertically challenged could mean that you're "low". what doesnt make sense is why you would intentionally make a statement like that. unless you want me to think that it doesnt make sense and a mafia member would never give himself away because you're ............MAFIOSO!!
But did the illustrious organisers know this? If not, i can't say it's a particularly amazing piece of evidence... rather stupid slip up to make. Surely he's read the new day post too. If he was a mafia, he would be thinking "oh dear... that one is me!" then be on his guard against letting on that he was short.
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Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all!
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On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to.
Wow... can't edit.
Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting....
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THAT GROUP OF NESTED POSTS SURELY ISNT VERTICALLY CHALLENGED
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On February 12 2008 12:07 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:03 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:57 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:45 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:40 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:
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It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide.
Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited. I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know. exactly what i thought and said Not like it was hard to figure out =/ It went way over CDRdude's head:/ I'm vertically challenged, that's all oooooooooh! you're vertically challenged you say? "That was low, even for you" said another mafia." sound familiar? it makes sense. vertically challenged could mean that you're "low". what doesnt make sense is why you would intentionally make a statement like that. unless you want me to think that it doesnt make sense and a mafia member would never give himself away because you're ............MAFIOSO!! But did the illustrious organisers know this? If not, i can't say it's a particularly amazing piece of evidence... rather stupid slip up to make. Surely he's read the new day post too. If he was a mafia, he would be thinking "oh dear... that one is me!" then be on his guard against letting on that he was short.
he wants us to think that he would be on his guard. the most effective mafioso is someone who is non-chalant like that. i think the slip up was intentional, but you're right i dont know if it really links him to the clue. maybe it was a red herring or something, cdrdude knew that and used it to his advantage
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Live2Win
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On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all!
I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer.
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On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting....
You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.
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On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer.
Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to?
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On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting.... You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.
Thats what i mean about does Chuiu know you are short. Because if he doesn't... it's a stupidly weak argument for your mafia status.
If he did know however... leads to a whole different set of conclusions.
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On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting.... You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.
Your subconscious is forcing you to reveal the truth. LYYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNCCCCCCHHHH!!!!!
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer. Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to?
the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.
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I dont get why people are certain that Dr.Dragoon is guilty
I personally believe that shallow is the mafioso
can someone explain?
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On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:09 Alethios wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote:
Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting.... You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.
but if you're a mafia member you know that it was a red herring and it points to none of the mafia members. you saw the posts that spent time analyzing that clue. knowing it was a red herring while other people didn't, you intentionally slipped. this 'slip' was supposed to make us believe you arent a mafia member because you wouldn't leave a clue like that. And you cant make the excuse that the clue didnt point to you so your comment has nothing to do with it. okay so the clue didnt point to you and it may not point to anyone, but you did that on purpose to make yourself look like an "idiot mafioso ", but really you knew it would make us all think that you were a townie instead because mafia members can't be that dumb and just give away clues like that.
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why is everyone jumping all over dr.dragoon when that screenshot/pm (if it happened looked) like an obvious joke. the mafia know who each other are, so why would he pm someone like that?
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On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer. Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to? the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.
You mean affect.
Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him!
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On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 12:12 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:On February 12 2008 12:07 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Just so you all know, even if I die, I can still post here to taunt you all! I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer. Do something a dead person shouldn't be able to? the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.
The rules allow me to post as long as I don't directly affect the game.
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On February 12 2008 12:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
why is everyone jumping all over dr.dragoon when that screenshot/pm (if it happened looked) like an obvious joke. the mafia know who each other are, so why would he pm someone like that?
i posted this awhile back, but it sums up why i think dragoon may be a mafioso.
"i sincerely believe dr.dragoon is mafia because of his reaction to shallow[bay]'s print screen. It does state in the very beginning that mafia members know other mafia members. why would dr.dragoon say shallow[bay] was a mafia member if he knew he was a mafia member himself?a rule we are all well aware of ( if we read the rules which im assuming you did) it's because dr.dragoon wanted to throw everyone into confusion! i think what dr.dragoon did is very cunning. he knew that it would be screen shotted. with this in mind he used a poor bait to throw us off. it wasn't that he was trying to bait shallow[bay] into admitting he was another mafia member ( because if shallow[bay] were he would know if dr.dragoon was a mafia member or not) it's because he wanted to use that poor attempt of a trap to really steer us away from believing he was a mafia member. now this is why i think shallow[bay] could be a mafia member. either dr.dragoon and shallow]bay] planned this, because for shallow[bay] to accuse dr.dragoon and post 'incriminating' evidence would mean that shallow[bay] has a shallow intelligence or because they both planned this out."
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