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On February 12 2008 11:19 Falcynn wrote:
When it comes to the lynch vote I'll probably be voting for Dragoon. Either he's mafia or he's just making some really really stupid moves, in either case I think it'd be beneficial to get rid of him quickly. If the Village Idiot role were included in this game like I noticed in some SEN games then I'd be positive that Dragoon had that role, but since we don't all of his posts make him seem like a really clumsy townie, or mafia.
I know I probably didn't really add anything new, but I just felt like posting....
I add excitement to the game, jerk!
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Oh I vote for FakeSteve (If I'm not too late)
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Manhini, a question.
What was in the post on the last page which you deleted?
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Vote count:
Tracil 13
CDRdude
Falcynn
ZBiR
goldenkrnboi
betaben
ulszz
demonic_phate
Fishball
Yogurt
Romance_us
Empyrean
dancefayedance!~
Hittegods
SoMuchBetter 9
mahnini
chicken`
MyHeroNoob
Live2Win
Vharox
Folca
RtS)Night[Mare
ZaplinG
JeeJee
FakeSteve 7
Puosu
Caller
KF91
Alethios
SiZ.FaNtAsY
GeneralStan
wurm
Amber[LighT]
mahnini
ieatkids5
infinity21
So no fek
31 of 71 votes cast. Please let me know if your vote was marked wrong or if I missed you.
Also, I notice a lot of people are voting to lynch players, please wait till tomorrow to vote for lynching, right now we're voting on mayor and mayor only. I'm not saying you can't voice your suspicions though.
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Have any of the detectives managed to uncover anything? I realize that if someone were detective they wouldn't just come out and claim they are and post the information they've learned, but it seems like noone really has a firm stance on any clue and noones trying to persuade anyone about anything (despite people posting some seemingly good leads). Which leads me to believe the detectives haven't gathered anything...
Unless I misunderstood the whole day/night cycle thing and they're waiting for a better time.
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On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!".
It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide.
Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that.
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On February 12 2008 11:22 EmeraldSparks wrote:
If you are attacked, you defend.
There is nothing suspicious about a player who responds to every accusation. It merely demonstrates that they pay attentio.
I did think that of course and it is plausible. i was only worried that he is trying to be mayor so he has more reason to defend his "good" name if he is a mafia member. i wasnt suspicious at first really, however, i tried to watch his posts and see how much of an effort he takes in responding to all of them that say he is the mafia. we all know dr.dragoon is the first one to get lynched, and if tracil isn't a mafia member he knows that the second day clues won't lead to him, so why be so persistent in defending your character especially when you already have majority of the votes for mayor? but if he is a mafia member he would take more time clearing up his name especially this early on. not only does it soldifiy his election as mayor but we'll all assume he isn't a mafioso in the very beginning, making this game his. i'm only saying this : proceed with caution.
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Vote for Fakesteve, at the very least, he's a random mafiaso lynching machine, so at least townies won't be disproportionately owned.
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haha, three posts at the same time.
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Just make sure to lynch shallow once I'm done for.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 Falcynn wrote:
Have any of the detectives managed to uncover anything? I realize that if someone were detective they wouldn't just come out and claim they are and post the information they've learned, but it seems like noone really has a firm stance on any clue and noones trying to persuade anyone about anything (despite people posting some seemingly good leads). Which leads me to believe the detectives haven't gathered anything...
Unless I misunderstood the whole day/night cycle thing and they're waiting for a better time.
Some people have claimed that they have, but they are sensibly waiting until the lynching to post anything. Of course, if they were most sensible, they wouldn't have even posted that they had an idea in the first place, it only makes them a target. We'll probably see some good detective work (and some lunatic conspiracy theories, my personal specialty  ) leading up to the first lynching.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 Falcynn wrote:
Have any of the detectives managed to uncover anything? I realize that if someone were detective they wouldn't just come out and claim they are and post the information they've learned, but it seems like noone really has a firm stance on any clue and noones trying to persuade anyone about anything (despite people posting some seemingly good leads). Which leads me to believe the detectives haven't gathered anything...
Unless I misunderstood the whole day/night cycle thing and they're waiting for a better time.
Mafia days, not RL days. A mafia days ends after somebody has been lynched and the appropriate short post-lynch discussion has been had, and then night starts and the Chuiu waits for people with night roles to PM him. We're still on the electing-mayor part of the first day and a long way from night.
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Also if it turns out my clue about SMB (well not really my clue since someone else thought of it before me apparently) is right and he is mafia, then having him in second place gives him Pardoner which is actually a really good position for mafia as well. Since I'm paranoid about him (well I'm paranoid about everyone, but him moreso for some reason) I might actually change my vote to fakesteve to hopefully give him pardon and avoid getting my ass kicked.
That's not official, I'm just think outloud...or thinking on the keyboard...or whatever.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:22 EmeraldSparks wrote:
If you are attacked, you defend.
There is nothing suspicious about a player who responds to every accusation. It merely demonstrates that they pay attentio. I did think that of course and it is plausible. i was only worried that he is trying to be mayor so he has more reason to defend his "good" name if he is a mafia member. i wasnt suspicious at first really, however, i tried to watch his posts and see how much of an effort he takes in responding to all of them that say he is the mafia. we all know dr.dragoon is the first one to get lynched, and if tracil isn't a mafia member he knows that the second day clues won't lead to him, so why be so persistent in defending your character especially when you already have majority of the votes for mayor? but if he is a mafia member he would take more time clearing up his name especially this early on. not only does it soldifiy his election as mayor but we'll all assume he isn't a mafioso in the very beginning, making this game his. i'm only saying this : proceed with caution.
One comment on the part that I bolded: it depends on what majority you are looking at. The majority of players haven't yet voted.
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On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that.
well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies .
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On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies .
You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.
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i think some of them are just trying to stir stuff up to make the game more interesting.
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Even though the majority of people haven't voted I think it seems very likely that the three people currently in the lead will get the nomination since they have alot of momentum going for them. I might have voted for MiniMoose after looking through the SEN forums...but it's too late for that since I really don't have a strong opinion of him and I don't want to cast my vote on someone who alot of people seem to have overlooked.
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On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 11:35 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:28 CDRdude wrote:On February 12 2008 11:20 dancefayedance!~ wrote:On February 12 2008 11:12 CDRdude wrote:
I don't think there should be anything illegal about editing your posts. However, anyone can see if you've edited it or not, and therefore, can see that you have something to hide. Also, if you edit a post, you open yourself up to false claims of quoting the "original" content of a post, (as in "so what if the timestamp is different, it was in my browser cache when I quoted it, it's true!"). Basically, if people spot you editing posts, they know (or think) you have something to hide. If you have something to hide, others will assume that you are mafia. Editing a post seems like a dangerous risk, not to be undertaken by the faint of heart. what's wrong with editing posts? besides it potentially being used as a tool of the mafia to create confusion. mafia members can gang up on people who edited their post. i dont think a simple edit should really justify people's suspicion. but be careful of people who say "omg X edited his post, he must be a mafia member!!". It shows that you have something to hide. Both the people with special abilities, (veterans, elders, etc) and the mafioso have something to hide. The townies want to get rid of the mafioso, and one of the best ways to do this, is look for those who have something to hide. Of course, you can also use an edit to clarify your point, and not hide anything at all. The only problem with that, is that you can also clarify your point with another post, and avoid any suspicion. Looking at in this manner, the suspicion of edited posts is a system with positive feedback. However, since we've already started looking at edited posts with suspicion, the suspicion will only increase with time, there's nothing any of us can do about that. well yes but the editing only occurs if the mafioso are idiots and type something that they shouldn't have. for the most part majority of the people that are editing haven't been the ones ive suspected as mafia members. it's the people who are telling us we can't edit. it gives the illusion that people against editing or saying "x edited his post, mafia!!!" that they themselves dont think editing is fair or a good way to find mafia members. i think by making editing into positive feedback ( as in people who edit have something to hide, mafia members have something to hide, therefore they must be mafia members ) mafia members will be able to convince people to lynch innocent townies . You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.
I actually didn't change anything in my last edit, I just did that for giggles. mahnini's blank message was "hi mods" pre-edit. That's all I know.
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Also just wondering...we are allowed to change our vote if we want right?
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