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On June 09 2024 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi what did your role pm say
That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba.
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Fuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I was chosen to waste an entire day seeing other people vote but as always they overbooked and I was let GOOOOoooooll
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Fuck. So lucky. 5 people actually wanted to do that. Jeez. Crazy.
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So marv, sandroba and mocsta are mafia and I replaced somebody with a huge filter so kinda confirmed town.
Good stuff. Today will be great.
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I'll start woth saying Kelsier was obvious town. Why would mafia be so obtuse and angry in the start. That guy did not want to blend in.
Oh well.
Oh and I read till page 24.
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lol mafia just settled the 2 town wagons quickly and fucked off.
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There is no way scott is mafia. He was one of my first townreads. (I forgot why)
rayn is obvious town and I agree with him so that is potentially odd. Mostly when we are town we disagree more.
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On June 09 2024 14:28 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 14:19 Koshi wrote:
Fuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I was chosen to waste an entire day seeing other people vote but as always they overbooked and I was let GOOOOoooooll I miss you Koshi. Let's talk tomorrow. <3
<3
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On June 09 2024 14:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 14:27 Koshi wrote:
There is no way scott is mafia. He was one of my first townreads. (I forgot why)
rayn is obvious town and I agree with him so that is potentially odd. Mostly when we are town we disagree more. Guess that means you are mafia  In all seriousness though, raynpelikoneet not having any real scumreads doesn't bother you?
I am on page 24 and I like rayn. Liked the rsoultin read so much I wanted to sheep it.
The only bothersome thing is that I normally dont like him when we are both town. I still havent figured out why.
But maybe this is one of these rare occasions we will vibe as town.
Blah marv has 9 pages of filter. Dafuq is that. I was expecting 4.
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Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.
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Ok dmb can be worked with. Good.
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Read 2 pages of AZ filter and looks like he will get shot so no need to read further.
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On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta. When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.
❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
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because I townread rayn, and rayn townreads slam, I will not try to read slam and just assume he is town.
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On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta. When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead. ❤ How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2? Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.
Jeez I replaced the only smart person.
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Vivax, you should accept that we live in a simulation. Most of us are vessals for beings that need to learn the emotions that we feel. Just accept that and let them learn while you enjoy yor life.
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On June 09 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta. When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead. ❤ How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2? Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction. Jeez I replaced the only smart person. You two working together would have been too unstoppable I guess
Want to talk Mocsta? Does it feel he is a townie being lost at times and just making noise? Or what do you think?
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On June 08 2024 18:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 18:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 17:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta? Not you. Have read your filter and like how you picked yourself up from all the mason/neighbour discussion in particular examining multiple players which from your situation I assume.tonbe more town likely than mafia. I'm slightly concerned kelsi3r could be a bad townie vote > mafia.. just because the way the wagon is building is a bit odd.. limited buy in (even though majority so far) and also no resistance.. it's possible wagons will take off in final two hours so meh?? So it’s taken me way too long to find this, it’s precisely because I had read this I asked you who you wanted to lynch Mocsta. Your stance on your lynch target seems to be ‘he was very unhelpful’ and as above ‘could just be a bad townie vote’ It’s hardly strong stuff didn't realize I was known for strong stuff My perception of kelsi3r is mostly unchanged even with all players now posting. My consideration is exactly as drafted. The build smells to me like mafia are happy with this course of action. Maybe you don't play with those factors?? It is something I give a weighting towards I mean I get it's a shit defense mafia can easily throw out. But dude my mafia game is not about being 180 out of sync with dominant players. I don't really know what else I can tell you?
Mafia practically begging mafia partner to stop the interaction.
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On June 08 2024 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 19:16 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 19:11 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 19:05 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 18:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 18:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in  woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that. Which alignment wants to fit in, also  all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude Come now. You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia. That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true. As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait. you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as well same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego If you have a big ego then you shouldn’t feel the need to fit in - makes literally no sense mate Does palmar, me, hf try to fit in? different type of dominance trait. regardless. i dont think this helps solve the game if you are genuinely curious can talk about it more post game. Well, it does for me if it helps me draw conclusions about your alignment… But yes, I have nothing further to say about it now
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On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments
- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.
- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.
the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.
I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.
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On June 08 2024 19:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments
- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.
- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.
the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.
I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.
I think this is a nigh on perfect summary. Well done
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So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia.
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On June 09 2024 15:10 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 15:03 Koshi wrote:
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia. Those are two different topics though, right? To me it looks like marvellosity didn't call Mocsta mafia over their initial discussion but then agreed with AlphaZero's characterization later. I guess I am not sure what you are getting at tbh?
My point is that marv let Mocsta be, while he agrees with AZ couple posts later that Mocsta is likely mafia.
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Ok. Let's make a deal. I will read marv filter. If he mentions Mocsta as a good lynch candidate without someone pushing him to say something we will not lynch him till d4.
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But it's father days and I am going to get a hot coffee en presents. So away for a while.
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On June 08 2024 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
Just for fun, each group in no particular order:
Rayn
Trfel
Oats
Kelsier
sand
Alpha
Rsoultin
Vivax
Mocsta
Scott
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^the line of no clue
Slam
DMB
Funny how sand wasnt able to convince you he is town so you decided to do it yourself before making this list post.
On June 08 2024 00:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Although I’m quite okay with the Scott stuff you posted. And you ended on the same conclusion as me with Trfel, just didn’t understand why you posted what you did about him at that stage without reading further. But I guess that’s just accusing you of not being me.
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On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all. On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait? Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him. Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later. I can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made.
Tfrel. At some point you were on the right track.
If you need guidance back to the right path.
marv got overly defensive and explainy after rayn called him out on his terrible rsoultin read.
Marv typed something
rayn said "marv this is shit"
marv typed things that didnt convince me why he typed his initial something.
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Ok. That was unreadable. Retry:
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1) Marv typed something
2) rayn said "marv this is terrible"
3) marv typed a lpt of things that didnt convince me why he typed his initial something.
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On June 08 2024 21:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:00 Mocsta wrote:last post before date night.. life with kids gotta priortise! rsoultin must understand surely! On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments i have accepted your interpretation, although disagree in particular about a closed mind. i reckon you are confirmation biased here, i mean, yes i have been firm on you up to past couple pages, yet, at least in my mind have been open about discussing points. disagreeing about a conclusion is not the same as close minded because without anything new introduced, why would the outcome change? - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. i can understand my push on you is unusual. im pretty sure i would find it weird too. i'm very certain my pushes on you are all in response to people, again, i think thats significant. we made 'peace' yesterday and i wasn't intentionally trying to break it. im very certain oats was pushing for my az reasoning so i said fuck it - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. wont know until flips mate. although yes, im not an analytical player at the best of times so im ok with you stating this. doesnt make me mafia though unless its being used to push mafia agenda,, now this, i dont see you substantiate and again you would need flips to support. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. i suppose one thing i  ON'T like here in option 1 is.. you dont call me mafia.. you say im pushing mafia agenda ironicaly i didnt realise this when i wrote about mafia agenda above btw.. i still think the purpose of this post aligns with town piecing together puzzles so its not a negative for me. i think it more points out subconsciously you know option 2 is true, and just dont want to admit it outloud.. its ok mate. i went through the same with you  I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. for the record im equally active as mafia and town. i have *never* been called up for 'moc-logic' as mafia, again, i cant expect you to acknowledge or recognise that.. i guess the only thing i can ask here is.. what is my tone saying across these posts to you and marv. internally i feel mentally the same responding start of day and now, so hopefully you see that too Thanks Mocsta. This is a fair post. Smart if you’re mafia to make the subconscious point about option 2, but it has given me pause.
On June 08 2024 21:06 marvellosity wrote:
I guess I maybe don’t want to lynch Mocsta today, it probably helps me that I’m happy on scott atm.
More from viv/sand/DMB/kelsier now please.
Remember this after Mocsta and Sandroba flipped.
They switched places after Mocsta posted something marv didnt even like that much.
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Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv
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Ok that's enough for today.
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I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.
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So we can lynch them first and then battle it out.
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On June 09 2024 17:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 16:17 Koshi wrote:On June 08 2024 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
Just for fun, each group in no particular order:
Rayn
Trfel
Oats
Kelsier
sand
Alpha
Rsoultin
Vivax
Mocsta
Scott
————
^the line of no clue
Slam
DMB Funny how sand wasnt able to convince you he is town so you decided to do it yourself before making this list post. On June 08 2024 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Although I’m quite okay with the Scott stuff you posted. And you ended on the same conclusion as me with Trfel, just didn’t understand why you posted what you did about him at that stage without reading further. But I guess that’s just accusing you of not being me. What are you talking about?
You asked sandroba a question. Answered it yourself and then put sandroba as tip top town.
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On June 09 2024 17:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. I don’t think you believe this…
Yup. I do.
You make a lot of sense with those 2.
I will explain how I read this game:
I read 24 pages.
I had townreads on both Kelsier and Scott. And I blame you for it being both wagons.
Mocsta was the most difficult to read. Not pushing the thread forward and being hard to work with.
I clicked sandroba filter and he had 2 pages lol
Then I read some filters.
Then I read your filter.
And here we are.
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On June 09 2024 17:04 marvellosity wrote:
Right sand, here’s what’s gonna happen.
I’m gonna dangle a random question in the thread for you, which I don’t want you to answer, then I am going to call you town. They’ll all go along with that.
Makes perfect sense
What is the town motivation?
Ask a question to put pressure.
Answer it yourself.
Make him tiptoptown.
Mafia reason:
You wanted sandroba to give you a reason to call him town. So you asked a question. But because you found a good reason to call him town in his filter you went with that option.
You were too hasty to confirm a mafia buddy and that was a mistake.
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On June 09 2024 17:05 AlphaZero wrote:
Koshi why is Scott obvious town to you?
I forgot. But I assume it was because his early posts. I will look for you but I have to leave very soon.
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On June 07 2024 12:50 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 12:44 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
The real question here is if we are lynching scott31337 today or waiting until tomorrow? Go find the real mafia. Unless you already know who they are It would be easier if you would stop pretending to be mafia Why tell me to go find mafia when you can (presumably) do it yourself? Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm.
Ah this. Because most of the time people who see scumslips are town.
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I strongly believe that it is hard to make that kinda post as mafia.
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My wife is in the car. Sry.
Need to put on my shoes.
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On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️
It's iamp
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Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger.
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On June 10 2024 02:31 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote:
Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger. You dropping marv just like that?
Yes.
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On June 10 2024 02:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote:
Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger. This was already the case when you were saying I was “100% mafia”. You smell.
That's ok. For me the game is a lot shorter than for you guys. I didnt think you had so many pages and I needed to recalibrate after my initial read on you.
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On June 10 2024 03:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:36 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 02:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote:
Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger. This was already the case when you were saying I was “100% mafia”. You smell. That's ok. For me the game is a lot shorter than for you guys. I didnt think you had so many pages and I needed to recalibrate after my initial read on you. Is it though? You called Scott town for something that happened on like page 24…
I read till page 24.
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If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game?
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On June 10 2024 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? why do you town read me?
I forget these things. But it started with the rsoultin read and then you made posts pushing the game forward. I could reread your filter to be more precise but I am suddenly enjoying this pressure from marv. So I wont.
First time he calls me mafia after I go ham on him early game. I am happy he is wrong. Now I have to do wishful thinking and hope he is town and not active mafia. Which is so unlikely atm.
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On June 10 2024 03:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? I a,m going to try lynch you tomorrow so we’ll see soon enough
🥳🎉🎊🎉🥳🎊🎉🥳
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On June 10 2024 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:49 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? why do you town read me? I forget these things. But it started with the rsoultin read and then you made posts pushing the game forward. I could reread your filter to be more precise but I am suddenly enjoying this pressure from marv. So I wont. First time he calls me mafia after I go ham on him early game. I am happy he is wrong. Now I have to do wishful thinking and hope he is town and not active mafia. Which is so unlikely atm. Is he wrong or mafia?
I hope he is wrong. So much more fun.
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On June 10 2024 03:51 Vivax wrote:
It‘s super duper interesting that Koshi picked up rsoultin‘s scumread of sandro imo.
It‘s like he intends to not abandon the plot laid out for him
True story. I have not read her filter.
Like I told you.
This life is a simulation.
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On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads.
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If Vivax protects dmb. Rayn protects slam.
It has to be scott (I dont think so), tfrel (I really dont think so) or Oats (didnt pay attention to).
So maybe I should read Oats but I was so wrong on him last time. It makes no sense for me to do it.
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marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba.
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On June 10 2024 04:03 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote:
marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba. It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons.
Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba the reasons are pretty good.
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Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba are mafia the reasons are pretty good.
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On June 10 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 04:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote:
marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba. It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons. Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba the reasons are pretty good. They really aren’t though. I don’t understand how you can (or could) think my (multiple) attacks on Mocsta would be bussing? How pointless would that be from me?
Because I see them as "attacks". I thought Mocsta didn't answer them good enough for you to switch on him. But you did. Which was odd.
Same with Sandroba. That weird answer your own question into hardtownreading him seemed way too hasty and lazy.
On top of that you were the first or second vote on a scott who I townread.
Reasons are legit.
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On June 10 2024 04:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:06 Trfel wrote:I think die_meatbaby is looking pretty bad, I was going to not say anything and wait for a more slam-dunk case before risking a reaction but if she's going to not say anything, I'm going to get impatient. Absolutely need to consider lynching die_meatbaby tomorrow. I think Vivax is starting to look worse and worse. The defense of die_meatbaby is quite poor, and I absolutely think they can be mafia together here. That said, tbh I don't respect the reads they have on each other in general, but that's a different story But Vivax saying he thinks scott31337 is mafia and then says stuff like this and this and this and this. Doesn't make sense. If Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia then he should be working to get scott31337 lynched, not preparing for him to not get lynched or saying what scott31337 being town means? Also definitely need to consider lynching Vivax tomorrow. Honestly, die_meatbaby, Vivax, and sandroba come across as way more suspicious than everyone else. I may or may not come with you on DMB tomorrow. Tbh it’s fun to try lynch Koshi but if he is town I think it will be very apparent to me before I’m in actual danger of getting him lynched
Agree. I want to be close to getting lynched so I think I will try to keep you in that spot. It makes it better for both of us when I it is obvious I am not.
It will be good for me for sure.
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On June 10 2024 04:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:10 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 04:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote:
marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba. It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons. Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba the reasons are pretty good. They really aren’t though. I don’t understand how you can (or could) think my (multiple) attacks on Mocsta would be bussing? How pointless would that be from me? Because I see them as "attacks". I thought Mocsta didn't answer them good enough for you to switch on him. But you did. Which was odd. Same with Sandroba. That weird answer your own question into hardtownreading him seemed way too hasty and lazy. On top of that you were the first or second vote on a scott who I townread. Reasons are legit. But why would I put myself in that position with Mocsta? Like I would literally have created all my own problems out of thin air for no reason?
Let's not pretend I need to think so far ahead. I just need to kick some cans and see how they sound.
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On June 10 2024 04:18 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi can you not make me reconsider before I even get to day phase, for gods sake
I know you wont. You need to lynch me tomorrow to protect your scumbuddy mocsta.
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I think DMB is town. Just read her filter.
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There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.
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On June 10 2024 04:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
I think DMB is town. Just read her filter. Pourquoi?
I don't have a good reason but she is pretty chill and is solving the game in her own world in a way I can believe she would do as town. She should not be on the table for at least 2 days.
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On June 10 2024 04:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Explain your stuff already. I’m interested!
Ok on scott I can make a towncase. Last thing I do today.
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On June 07 2024 12:50 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 12:44 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
The real question here is if we are lynching scott31337 today or waiting until tomorrow? Go find the real mafia. Unless you already know who they are It would be easier if you would stop pretending to be mafia Why tell me to go find mafia when you can (presumably) do it yourself? Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm.
1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction.
2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit.
3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing.
(I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.)
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On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote:
Wouldn't lynch order
raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs.
Vivax - feels like his townie game too.
marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia.
Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me.
Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him.
rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise.
Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different.
Could lynch order:
Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me.
Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed
die_meatbaby - not enough info
sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad
AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta
So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r.
Really good btw. Mocsta is his only mistake.
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Like how can you dislike scott his filter? He posts his catch up post constantly, has a readlist post into 10 consistent posts poking other people and gathering reads.
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On June 10 2024 04:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:On June 07 2024 12:50 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 12:44 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
The real question here is if we are lynching scott31337 today or waiting until tomorrow? Go find the real mafia. Unless you already know who they are It would be easier if you would stop pretending to be mafia Why tell me to go find mafia when you can (presumably) do it yourself? Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm. 1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction. 2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit. 3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing. (I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.) Ah yes microanalysis and overexplaining. It‘s like using a microscope to find a germ while you‘re standing in a puddle of sewage water.
Where is the sewage water? What is the case on scott actually?
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On June 10 2024 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now? I know if this sounds stupid, but for this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=22#435 , i think Slam sounded town. I am not sure if i can explain it better, i can try if you want me to, but most likely it's not gonna be much of use. During N1 however he is being pretty sharp, which is not like Slam's MO in any case. I do not judge him on what he says, but how he says it. Idk how he seems to be waffling around me/you being mafia (while not saying so). It bothers me.
I agree. I read his filter after DMB and I am not very convinced on slam.
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On June 09 2024 06:25 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 06:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
I'm happy to answer any questions as best I can as well.
In a few I'm going to take a nap/rest and be back a few hours before deadline.
I'm content with my vote on keisl3r still at this time. Thoughts on Sandro rayn and rsoul I haven't liked Sandroba from the start. Probably my #3 scum behind AZ. (Keis is 1st ATM) Rsoul is a townlean at the moment and having quite a few of the same thoughts as I am. Rayn is a slight town lean as well - but he is usually more inquisitive/scum hunting (like our last game) D1 - but with his announced commitment, I'm not lynching him today.
Again good. I don't fully understand his boner for AZ but AZ is not as town to me as marv and rayn are tbh. I read some good things from AZ early game and that is why I thought he was iamp. He also had a good start somewhere but then just felt back doing snippy snappy things while being okish town.
I haven't paid enough attention to him but he feels like that.
But then there is the follow up on sandroba:
On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote:The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 10:21 EDT
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me And then went to Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 16:41 EDT
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today There was a post from Keis - Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
I like sandro on a filter dire
dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null.
It's just consistent and good.
He is solving the game.
I need to read a case on him tbh. Because I don't see how this guy was ever a wagon.
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:Vivax+ Show Spoiler +Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.
What is the core of your case? You believe town!Vivax should be trying to convince the thread to lynch scott more because his mindset is that scott is sure mafia? The fact Vivax is not doing that makes you think that this is mafia!Vivax faking reads.
Because some of the quotes from your previous case felt like it was just Vivax bantering and being at worst apathic about towns capabilities based on previous games and stuff.
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On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap
Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads.
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On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level.
Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment.
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On June 10 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap is he falling or mafia?
I think falling into it as mafia.
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On June 10 2024 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:11 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap is he falling or mafia? I think falling into it as mafia. you think youre falling into it as mafia? :D
I think he thinks I am
Good conversation :D
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Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together)
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On June 10 2024 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
anyone here?
No I am going to bed.
I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game.
I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that.
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Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.
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On June 10 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) Definitely not scum together Like can you at least read my end of day1 filter if you are going to keep this up Yes where I transition to my former townread and your current townread scott
We will talk a lot tomorrow and after that. It is difficult for me to read your filter, so we will have to figure it out in conversation.
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Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first.
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On June 10 2024 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:
Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first. yeah i know that pain.. possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906im yet to analyse the case yet clusterfuck indeed
Vivax, rayn mafia team? Oof...
Ok. I will have thinking to do.
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Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him
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On June 10 2024 10:59 Trfel wrote:die_meatbaby on VivaxShow nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Die_meatbaby's third post of the game. For what it's worth I don't think this is a terribly good way to read Vivax, but I'm curious if die_meatbaby follows this view throughout the game. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that More posts to a similar effect but I'm running out of time. Now I need to check if Vivax's posting warrants the change but idk if I have time to do so My guess is that it's debatable. Gut feels say look at raynpelikoneet and Vivax most. Sandroba, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, maybe scott31337 and Oatsmaster after that. No particular order on those. Vivax is just.... so nonsensical? I am really struggling with how he could be town and be like this. I'm honestly willing to give Alakaslam more time when so many otehrs are so sus
##Vote: Vivax
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I think Tfrel sees the game correctly. I don't see it yet but I sense he could be correct.
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On June 10 2024 19:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh
I wonder if he is the protective role
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marv was the more obvious nk. But not going to theorycraft too much on it. Maybe jailkeeper did an aggressive block.
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Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good.
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On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree.
Everything is easy to do as mafia. You just have to do it.
marv had him as town. Mafia!scott could easily townread marv, reiterate that marv read him as town, and then shoot him.
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On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you?
Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed.
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected.
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Either we have a mafia!scott that sees the entire thread townread marv, his scumteam fear marv and decides to kill marv, and then writes a waffle on marv right before nking him.
Or town!scott that is paranoid and genuinly thought what he wrote there.
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You people see somebody write something and then go "He just used his fingers on the keyboard, why cant mafia use their fingers on their keyboard"
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I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is.
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On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why?
I like how he plays this game.
The recent things I dont like:
1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died.
2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot.
3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts.
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On June 10 2024 21:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. it was a fucking town vs town lynch and mafia pushed that so they are safe for the first two lynchs
I think so too. Not sure if mafia pushed the tvt or just didnt interfer.
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I remember my second reason on rayn but I cant say that. Nothing illegal but when I say it, it loses its value.
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On June 10 2024 21:12 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why? I like how he plays this game. The recent things I dont like: 1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died. 2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot. 3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts. So you think he could be mafia here is what you are kind of saying?
Maybe could be perhaps
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On June 10 2024 21:14 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:12 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 21:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. it was a fucking town vs town lynch and mafia pushed that so they are safe for the first two lynchs I think so too. Not sure if mafia pushed the tvt or just didnt interfer. oh come on trfl said it earlier in the game scott looks scummy no matter of aligment all the time. Thats true. That just needed I slightly push like sandro did and Town think thats the best shoot for d1 because it´s anyways a high change that we are wrong with the first lynch.
Yes yes. I agree. I just wasnt around so I dont know who his fault it was.
Do you think sandroba his filter is a bit too obvious mafia? The guy shows 0 emotions. Nothing in there but boring analysis.
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On June 10 2024 21:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:21 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 21:20 Vivax wrote:
I think Koshi is mafia now but that means I have to re-evaluate the entire game now.
Because him townreading scott for that stupid reason reeks a lot of tmi. why? Because the reasoning he‘s used on the last two pages is mostly crappy and he‘s way too sure on scott. ‚Because he wouldn‘t put marv in black before shooting him‘ That‘s not town Koshi
That's only a small part of the towncase but sure. TMI is a nice thing to be accused off.
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On June 10 2024 21:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:15 Koshi wrote:
I remember my second reason on rayn but I cant say that. Nothing illegal but when I say it, it loses its value. call it out loud, because I have always a hard time to read rayn
No.
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I wonder when sandroba will be finished. And was his reads will be then.
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On June 11 2024 01:59 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 01:51 Koshi wrote:
I wonder when sandroba will be finished. And was his reads will be then. When do you get out of work and will be home/relaxed? I want to talk about Mocsta with you today still
I am home and kids are asleep now. I dont fully understand your question around Mocsta. The reasoning you quoted was explaining why I initially pinged Mocsta and why I can see him being mafia.
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On June 11 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think the case on vivax is not good imo. Idk how everyone is sheeping that?
I will talk about it when i am home. Wanted to talk about it with AZ first but apparently he is awol.
The case on Vivax is good enough. Marv said so.
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On June 11 2024 03:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. On June 11 2024 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 02:57 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:55 Vivax wrote:
What do you mean yes? Genuine and honest persons don‘t exist everyone lies.
I think you puff up your posts a lot. How so? Like I don't want to get too off track but if you're getting at something I can humor you for a bit. You try hard to look like a saint I mean. It seems you try to act positively but I don‘t buy it and I believe you are more interested into burying the truth about people with it. Others or yourself Okay, I mean I disagree but you have a right to your opinion. Why are you telling me this? I try to phrase things in a way that is as accurate as possible, I want to leave the least ambiguity and provide the most direct and clear phrasing. Basically I want to deal with as few misunderstandings as possible, if me being more accurate means that there are fewer misunderstandings so we can discuss the actual content more, then that's worth it for me. I‘m telling you this because my bullshit detector is detecting a push on me which isn‘t in good faith but I also refuse to believe you are mafia so you are hiding the true reason for wanting me lynched.
lol.
Just lol.
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Anyway.
I habe time for scott but not for other people.
rayn is really weird.
Vivax doesnt know what to do with the Tfrel pressure.
Sandroba is doing more of the same.
They can all get lynched.
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On June 11 2024 03:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:11 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:11 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. On June 11 2024 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 02:57 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:55 Vivax wrote:
What do you mean yes? Genuine and honest persons don‘t exist everyone lies.
I think you puff up your posts a lot. How so? Like I don't want to get too off track but if you're getting at something I can humor you for a bit. You try hard to look like a saint I mean. It seems you try to act positively but I don‘t buy it and I believe you are more interested into burying the truth about people with it. Others or yourself Okay, I mean I disagree but you have a right to your opinion. Why are you telling me this? I try to phrase things in a way that is as accurate as possible, I want to leave the least ambiguity and provide the most direct and clear phrasing. Basically I want to deal with as few misunderstandings as possible, if me being more accurate means that there are fewer misunderstandings so we can discuss the actual content more, then that's worth it for me. I‘m telling you this because my bullshit detector is detecting a push on me which isn‘t in good faith but I also refuse to believe you are mafia so you are hiding the true reason for wanting me lynched. lol. Just lol. Why is it funny ?
It is funny how you pretend you can detect the difference between a townie that is wrong, mafia, and a townie that is being wrong on purpose.
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On June 11 2024 03:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:15 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:13 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:11 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:11 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. On June 11 2024 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 02:57 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:55 Vivax wrote:
What do you mean yes? Genuine and honest persons don‘t exist everyone lies.
I think you puff up your posts a lot. How so? Like I don't want to get too off track but if you're getting at something I can humor you for a bit. You try hard to look like a saint I mean. It seems you try to act positively but I don‘t buy it and I believe you are more interested into burying the truth about people with it. Others or yourself Okay, I mean I disagree but you have a right to your opinion. Why are you telling me this? I try to phrase things in a way that is as accurate as possible, I want to leave the least ambiguity and provide the most direct and clear phrasing. Basically I want to deal with as few misunderstandings as possible, if me being more accurate means that there are fewer misunderstandings so we can discuss the actual content more, then that's worth it for me. I‘m telling you this because my bullshit detector is detecting a push on me which isn‘t in good faith but I also refuse to believe you are mafia so you are hiding the true reason for wanting me lynched. lol. Just lol. Why is it funny ? It is funny how you pretend you can detect the difference between a townie that is wrong, mafia, and a townie that is being wrong on purpose. I mean, you're the one who is funny because he is absolutely right...
Oh lol is this a whisper play?
I hope you find mafia then. Because that would be the most retarded shit ever.
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If this is a retarded whisper play you can absolutely lynch me.
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If you pushed dumb bullshit in the thread on purpose in some retarded guise to find mafia you can lynch me and then find mafia on your own.
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On June 11 2024 03:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:20 Koshi wrote:
If you pushed dumb bullshit in the thread on purpose in some retarded guise to find mafia you can lynch me and then find mafia on your own. Fake outrage You love it
It's ok Vivax. You will never lynch me. But this is cute.
I just want to know what Tfrel did.
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Can't wait to read how Tfrel will attempt to throw this game.
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On June 11 2024 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Hey rayn, how did you go from not seeing me as mafia asking questions to koshi to this without any answers? I forgot i was that smart! Probably 2 mafia there at least.
Just for the record now we are here.
Why are you not interacting with me on a more intense level?
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On June 11 2024 03:29 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:07 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 01:59 scott31337 wrote:On June 11 2024 01:51 Koshi wrote:
I wonder when sandroba will be finished. And was his reads will be then. When do you get out of work and will be home/relaxed? I want to talk about Mocsta with you today still I am home and kids are asleep now. I dont fully understand your question around Mocsta. The reasoning you quoted was explaining why I initially pinged Mocsta and why I can see him being mafia. Did you see Mocsta's JK claim? Do you believe it's real? You still wanted to lynch Mocsta even after you mentioned you read their filter.
The JK claim is the fakest shit ever.
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On June 11 2024 03:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:27 Koshi wrote:
Can't wait to read how Tfrel will attempt to throw this game. Why is he throwing the game ? I thought you are voting me because you think I am scum ?
Yes. But that only happened because this thread got weird. Now I might read why it got weird.
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On June 11 2024 03:31 scott31337 wrote:
Do you still want to lynch him?
Do you want to lynch Sandroba?
I dont know. I was on sandroba/slam/mocsta or az during the night but for some reason it changed to Vivax/rayn
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On June 11 2024 03:32 scott31337 wrote:
And what's your feelings on Slam?
And then I think I'm good with the questions with you for now.
I made posts on sandroba Mocsta during night.
Slam is nothing more than a gut feeling.
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On June 11 2024 03:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:30 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:29 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:27 Koshi wrote:
Can't wait to read how Tfrel will attempt to throw this game. Why is he throwing the game ? I thought you are voting me because you think I am scum ? Yes. But that only happened because this thread got weird. Now I might read why it got weird. Right… It shouldn‘t matter to you if anyone‘s reasons are genuine as long as they help you get your scumread lynched so I assume you just slipped up by acting so mad about it
Sure bro bro
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Tfrel. You are 100% crazy.
Vivax did nothing since you voted on him.
He fucking called me mafia and is now creating fake ass reasonings to why I was mafia to him 5 hours ago.
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Did a play and got 8 names out of it. Brilliant.
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W.evs
rayn stop hedging the thread with this what I already know to be a shitpush on AZ.
How you can think both AZ and Mocsta are mafia together is beyond any reasoning.
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Ok so this weird push fucked my head over and now I need to rethink rayn, Vivax, sandroba and mocsta again.
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On June 11 2024 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:28 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Hey rayn, how did you go from not seeing me as mafia asking questions to koshi to this without any answers? I forgot i was that smart! Probably 2 mafia there at least. Just for the record now we are here. Why are you not interacting with me on a more intense level? Because i have not interacted with anyone pretty much, and you scumread anyways so i havent seen a reason to dothat today. Yesteeday i focused on marv and AZ mainly.
Well. I cant form a read on you which me me think you are mafia.
You are not playing this game with us. We discuss things and you are just around. Not adding value to the conversation.
Example: about scott when marv and I were discussing it. You just commented that marv reads scott town just like I do but you didnt add your own opinion and reasoning in the mix.
And youbare silent as fuck about this clusterfuck around Vivax. This is the wordt shit and you are so calm. Why?????
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On June 11 2024 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why exactly cant mocsta and az be mafia together?
Too much talk between them. Nothing is impossible but I dont see it be true.
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On June 11 2024 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:
Of my possible suspects, I felt that Vivax would be most affected by pressure. Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)
Unfortunately it's really hard to get people to vote for something without super incredible reasons, and honestly even then I can't get people to vote for something :/ so the effort that went into getting the votes kinda gave it away.
Also Vivax seems to have stuff going on (moving, health issues) that prevent him from playing up to his ideal standard, which makes it harder to get a clear conclusion from the pressure. The ideal result would have been Vivax going on a crusade to find the mafia in the face of insurmountable odds, which didn't happen, but I think the way Vivax played makes me much more able to see him as town than I was before. Because he didn't give up, he kept playing his game and doing his thing, and I respect that a ton.
I'd much rather pursue other options for now, I think at this point, Vivax is much less suspicious than several others.
##unvote
##vote die_meatbaby
Side note, you can call my play stupid, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. I think we benefited some from it at least, and I think a few factors out of my control limited the impact. But it's hard to know how it will play out before you will do it, and I've never tried something like this before, I figured it was worth a go.
I think I'm most interested in die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. Second tier would be Oatsmaster, Koshi, scott31337, Alakaslam, sandroba, and Vivax. I'm very glad that raynpelikoneet and AlphaZero are whisperers, I hope that AlphaZero can get some leads there.
I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him). Oatsmaster is paranoia. Koshi is weirding me out, Alakaslam is just confusing. I think that unless something changes dramatically, die_meatbaby is the most sensible lynch. I can get behind that. Mostly because of bias and game integrity. It‘s currently hard for us to stay separated and we both might get influenced in ways not transparent to anyone else like laughter etc. Sorry that we‘re a couple, I know it creates problems in games.
It doesnt create any problems.
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On June 11 2024 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also what has fake push from trfel towards vivax have to do with needing to reassess OTHER four ppl???
Because I trusted him.
Because marv said it was a good case.
My brain can only accept one truth and then feel if it is a good truth.
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Fml. Between DMB and Vivax there is no way dmb is the mafia.
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What the fuck is sandroba doing tbh.
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Is he trying to convince somebody of anything he typed so far?
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On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner ##vote:vivax Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake.
Wtf is this Vivax read even.
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On June 11 2024 03:50 Trfel wrote:
Nah you're fine Vivax. I just think die_meatbaby looks a lot like her mafia game. I dunno if you read much of that since we mislynched you day 1 but she's still coming up with anything and everything to avoid scum hunting. It's different on the surface (no crusade against Palmar, no overwhelming, constant anger) but deeper than that, it's very similar.
Can you type why it is similar and can you link the game.
I will read it when I am calmed down.
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On June 11 2024 03:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:47 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also what has fake push from trfel towards vivax have to do with needing to reassess OTHER four ppl??? Because I trusted him. Because marv said it was a good case. My brain can only accept one truth and then feel if it is a good truth. To be fair I intentionally ignored marvellosity's post right after he said my case was good where he said Vivax posted a lot and that's a good reason for him to he town. I see you glossed over this. Who's ignoring marvellosity's filter now?
I said it first. I think.
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Btw I am not saying you ignored marv at all.
I dont understand why you create a fake enviroment in this thread.
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Ok. I cant do shit in this game.
Fml.
Entirz day wasted waiting on Vivax to do something. He did nothing and this guy removes the pressure and leaves the thread in shambles.
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Tfrel you fucking better make a giant towncase on Vivax. Based on posts from D2
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There is no way mafia didnt catch marv and I were going to vibe together this game.
Vivax called me mafia because he didnt see a way out anymore and made a last resort attempt at a tfrel to retract his read and he fucking did it.
Fuckkkk
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On June 11 2024 04:03 Vivax wrote:
Lynch me step-koshi I‘m stuck in the washing machine
lol
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On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no?
Because I think you had Vivax.
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On June 11 2024 04:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:
Ok. I cant do shit in this game.
Fml.
Entirz day wasted waiting on Vivax to do something. He did nothing and this guy removes the pressure and leaves the thread in shambles. It looks like you are just flustered being caught sheeping a myslinch after being excited of things going your way.
Sure thing. Please vote me.
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On June 11 2024 04:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no? Because I think you had Vivax. In that case the reasons are still there, aren't they? Can't you just go lynch him, with or without me?
Yes.
But I think you just made an own goal.
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On June 11 2024 04:07 sandroba wrote:
Koshi looks absolutely terrible from this, I don't think there is any world this man can be town
You are right. Now vote me.
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Why do you need permission from the thread sandroba. You got me.
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On June 11 2024 04:09 sandroba wrote:
I mean koshi + rayn makes too much sense. The random town reads, the weird interactions, it all fits! I think trfel is right about dmb being the third as well.
Brilliant. Pretty sure you are 3/3
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Ok Vivax. Let's pretend you transcended and kept so cool under this pressure. Can you explain to me why I was mafia with reasons prior to 2 hours ago?
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sandroba. Why are you so analytical this game?
You don't seem to be enjoying yourself.
You limit yourself to serious play only. That isn't normal for you right?
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On June 11 2024 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track.
That's good. Everybody should have fun.
I also don't think Vivax is mafia anymore. 15 pages is way too much.
Should we lynch rayn? Or me first?
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Or AZ? Everybody keeps saying he is mafia.
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On June 11 2024 04:31 sandroba wrote:
Why is rayn or az mafia from your pov?
rayn:
1) I miss his insightful comments while talking to me. We have been in the same thread together and when marv and I were becoming BFFs, rayn was pretty much on the sidelines. If he didn't like my scott read I would have wanted him to talk to me about it. If he liked it, I would have loved a insightful comment why I was right. But instead he made a comment at marv about how marv also thought scott was town. Later he made a oneliner he also thought scott was town.
2) He is not interacting with me. Or annoying me to find out my alignment. Or anything. So I don't really understand why you say our interactions are weird, there are almost none.
az:
I have no clue. His activity was there when i wasn't in the thread.
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If you would take all list posts.
Pretty sure AZ is in 80%
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Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs
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On June 11 2024 04:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs I'm pretty sure you tried to put him there at some point. I agree with your points on rayn though. The AZ stuff looks like you just want to add someone to the mix to dilute it a little bit.
Is that not a positive thing?
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DMB shares my reads and calls me supertown.
Hard for me to lynch her.
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Like... Mocsta and Sandroba are not redeeming themselves.
Not sure I can ever lynch DMB before I at least suspect they are somewhat town.
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I really don't buy this sandroba read on me.
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Ok.
##unvote
##vote Sandroba
People who think I am town.
I don't think it is smart to lynch Vivax.
Sandroba is a way better placeholder.
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On June 11 2024 05:05 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:01 Koshi wrote:
DMB shares my reads and calls me supertown.
Hard for me to lynch her. I think you also might share an alignment
I also believe that.
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btw. I am really happy you guys want to lynch me.
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On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
##unvote
##vote: dmb
Man... I need to drag out a conversation with you. It's painful as fuck for me.
You call me 100% mafia.
And now you don't vote me?
Dafuq.
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Tfrel bro. You are going from hero to zero today.
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On June 11 2024 05:10 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
##unvote
##vote: dmb Man... I need to drag out a conversation with you. It's painful as fuck for me. You call me 100% mafia. And now you don't vote me? Dafuq. I still think you are mafia. But I also think dmb is mafia. And I think trfel's case on dmb has more pull.
More than your own 100% read? wow
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On June 11 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs Are you insane i thought marv is mafia most of the night?
really? marv with his 15 page filter?????
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On June 11 2024 05:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:22 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
anyone here? No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that. This is Koshi's reason for sandroba being mafia? Plus small filter? And that's it? Disappointing.
I would prefer it if you vote me over dmb. Because I will defend myself.
Now you are going to bury a townie and mafia will sit in your ass.
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Ooooooffff I am back. The game makes sense again.
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Yeah I was right. It is Mocsta Sandroba and then maybe Slam.
This Vivax excursion was terrible.
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On June 11 2024 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, dod you reqd anythig i posted during n1?
No I read till page 24 and then only did what I typed in the thread.
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On June 11 2024 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, dod you reqd anythig i posted during n1?
rayn can we be friends and solve the game?
sandroba mocsta and slam?
What do you think?
What is this obsession with AZ
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On June 11 2024 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:13 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs Are you insane i thought marv is mafia most of the night? really? marv with his 15 page filter????? Why do people think filter size is an alignment factor???
Did he flip mafia?
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lol slam. Fucking 15 page marv, and you are going to claim that is NAI?
hahahahahahahahahaha
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On June 11 2024 05:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:18 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:18 Alakaslam wrote:On June 11 2024 05:13 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs Are you insane i thought marv is mafia most of the night? really? marv with his 15 page filter????? Why do people think filter size is an alignment factor??? Did he flip mafia? Of course not. I only thought he was mafia for a very short time. Do you think I cannot be busy as town/have fun with spare time as scum? Have you never played a recent game with DarthPunk?
Does marv sometimes smurfs under the name DarthPunk?
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On June 11 2024 05:20 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:19 Koshi wrote:
lol slam. Fucking 15 page marv, and you are going to claim that is NAI?
hahahahahahahahahaha Koshi You haven't played with DP recently have you
bro bro. I was killed the night I suggested he shot his teammate.
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On June 11 2024 05:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Koshi I hosted Imperial Mafia.
How is it I know Marv's capabilities better than you?
Are you mafia? Like I haven't read this game much but this is a very strange idea to double down on
Are you kidding me here?
Oh wait let me dig up a quote
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On June 10 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:48 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no marv, you owe me one post on AZ because noone else will give it.
Town or what? Yes my opinion hasn’t changed okay, for the record i do think youre most likely town atm, so i have a bit of self-searching to do here.... we'll see. You know very well I don’t have a 17 page filter n1 I tried hard in that 13 page filter in a several day long game as mafia
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I had marv as scum and it fell apart as soon as I saw him have a 7 page filter instead of the 4 I thought he had.
Then he added like 10 pages during the night.
That means nothing?
Pls. Claim scum harder.
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On June 11 2024 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:16 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, dod you reqd anythig i posted during n1? rayn can we be friends and solve the game? sandroba mocsta and slam? What do you think? What is this obsession with AZ Its not really obsession. I am just very vary of him because him and (now 100% town) marv didnt het scott lynched D1. They were the town leaders mostly during day, why didnt they get him lynched ifthey really tried? This is not a game where DP goes shennies onto some stupid lynch wen all euros are sleeping, thay had "all the tools", why didnt it happen? I think youre right on mocsta and sandroba. I already posted my case on sandroba. I think Mocsta writes a lot but i dont really remember anything he posts. Has anything he said ha any impact on anything? I dont know why Slam couldnt be mafia.
Ok. But I need more energy, more passion, more footwork.
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I don't get why slam defended rayn with the idea marv could be mafia with a 17 page filter.
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Slam if you think I am mafia, or there is a chance I am, please vote me.
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So how many mafia are stuck on Vivax?
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Sandroba is like: w00ps this Koshi vote is dangerous, there is a chance he will shit townie rainbows while I afk again and then I have to pretend find another townie to vote on, better vote this townie that will not defend herself too sharply.
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100% mafia on me, enjoying playing the game finally.
Fucks off while the 100% mafia read is eager to play with him.
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Tfrel. You are actively playing for mafia atm.
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On June 11 2024 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:36 Trfel wrote:Koshi: makes no sense. Tries to post fluidly but as the game state has been changing rapidly, he's shown an incongruous mindset. For example, he said I went from hero to zero. He thought I was doing great because I was pushing Vivax and raynpelikoneet. But Koshi himself stopped scumreading Vivax, before posting the hero to zero thing, and I don't even think he is that suspicious of raynpelikoneet. But he still said hero to zero. How can he still say that I was being a hero if he thinks I was pushing townies as mafia? That's very far from hero play? Die_meatbaby, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet are in a special tier of hyper suspicious people that make me wish we could triple lynch today You are being very bas right now Trfel.
/high five
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Tfrel I thought you were doing great because you changed the entire narrative in this thread. That requires something special.
I admit I was being illogical angry at your reversal but I don't like the deceit and I also thought Vivax needed more scrutiny. HOWEVER, now that I calmed down again, I can see it was good to end it there.
But this DMB/Koshi/rayn thing you have going on now is not good. But it is ok if it is just a phase. But we need to remind you that it is not good ok.
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On June 11 2024 05:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Fuck it.
I'm not throwing but just lynch me out or replace whatever town prefers.
I got blindsided and was just tempted to post the word "post" a few hundred times to spite someone I wanted to visit this summer and couldn't quite suddenly due to organizational and financial restrictions.
That's shitty, and not usually what this game does with my psyche. I am usually emotional and sometimes toxic but usually not more so than some hell photos or evil rants that people (I hope) know are not entirely serious. (I don't hate Biden or trump for example as they aren't responsible for the US housing crisis.)
Fuck it. I am not going to let my government's corruption and environmentalist bullshit combined with my own poor scheduling ruin my reputation with what online friends I could make here.
/Replace
Sorry Grackaroni
Sorry town
Sorry mafia
bro just post once a day. I don't want modkills and I assume there wont be replacements.
Tomorrow is a fresh day.
If I offended you I am sorry.
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On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game.
Is this case in the room with us?
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On June 11 2024 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
@scott why you ninja voting Sandro?
He didn't really. I asked all my bros to vote for Sandro.
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On June 11 2024 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi do you think Slam does that as mafia?
I am not going to analyse that.
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On June 11 2024 06:41 scott31337 wrote:
I don't have the energy to dig for individual names but the general town consensus is he's town, so.
Nha. Most people have him as mafia. It might feel different but I habe seen him red in many lists.
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On June 11 2024 06:44 Trfel wrote:
Scott31337, I believe you are seriously scum-siding right now. You are literally voting with the three most suspicious people in the game IMO.
Just saying, maybe you should reconsider.
:D
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Tfrel I hope you are town. This is so beautiful.
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On June 11 2024 06:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:45 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel I hope you are town. This is so beautiful. Why would you hope I am town? From your perspective, I'm completely and thoroughly wrong? Wouldn't it be much easier for you if I am mafia?
I think I am in the state Vivax was earlier. :D
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Have you ever seen a mafia team openly pushing the same 2/3 names?
Mocsta/Sandroba are on rayn, dmb and my list. Like forever.
Rayn has AZ as third
DMB Vivax
Me slam.
But our core is the same.
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On June 11 2024 06:48 Trfel wrote:Good luck with that hope
No I meant that I see you are town but just wrong. I don't think this is another charade.
It makes the game great. You will snap out of it.
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Scott is town for the many reasons I stated before.
Vivax is crazy town mayor Vivax
Oats is less smart than in his mafia game. Maybe that is a good way too read him in future games. He uses the TMI very well as mafia to make him look good.
AZ I dont think is mafia and I dont understand why so many think it. Tone I guess. But his fight with Mocsta was not SvS.
Who am I missing?
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On June 11 2024 06:56 Koshi wrote:
Scott is town for the many reasons I stated before.
Vivax is crazy town mayor Vivax
Oats is less smart than in his mafia game. Maybe that is a good way too read him in future games. He uses the TMI very well as mafia to make him look good.
AZ I dont think is mafia and I dont understand why so many think it. Tone I guess. But his fight with Mocsta was not SvS.
Who am I missing?
Ah yeah Tfrel. But I was talking to you.
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So it is
Scott Oats DMB rayn Oats
Vs
Tfrel Vivax Mocsta Sandroba (Slam maybe)
And AZ on the sidelines.
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On June 11 2024 07:04 Koshi wrote:
So it is
Scott Oats DMB rayn Oats
Vs
Tfrel Vivax Mocsta Sandroba AZ (Slam maybe)
W000t w00t
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On June 11 2024 07:04 Koshi wrote:
So it is
Scott Oats DMB rayn Koshi
Vs
Tfrel Vivax Mocsta Sandroba AZ (Slam maybe)
Like this
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I think our side is more united but we are less in numbers. Exciting!
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I would like to propose myself as lynchee from our team.
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On June 11 2024 07:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 07:06 Koshi wrote:
I think our side is more united but we are less in numbers. Exciting! Your side has more alignments in it
:DD
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Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side
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On June 11 2024 07:08 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:49 Koshi wrote:
Have you ever seen a mafia team openly pushing the same 2/3 names?
Mocsta/Sandroba are on rayn, dmb and my list. Like forever.
Rayn has AZ as third
DMB Vivax
Me slam.
But our core is the same. Who are you referring to with - our?
DMB rayn Koshi
The scumteam from Tfrel.
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On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax
Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though
Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it
Vote me then
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On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax
Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though
Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it Vote me then you are active yes Light hearted .. sort of I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy
Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something?
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On June 11 2024 07:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 07:14 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 07:10 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 07:10 Mocsta wrote:
I haven't cooled off in vivax
Not sure on dmb as alt
I will swap to a rayn wagon though
Koshi I'm mixed. I did read rsoultin as town yet the thought of putting something to thread is so ick right now, just town environment sux right now and I blame koshi for a lot of it Vote me then you are active yes Light hearted .. sort of I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy Hey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something? like even then, I'm not filled with that laughter I get from a town koshi, even when being an absolute dick, there is a charm to get away with ii.. I don't see it here
I am sad I am not entertaining my fans.
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On June 11 2024 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 07:24 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false. Prove it is false then. I am getting angry i need to go to bed.
Sleep well sweet prince ❤
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On June 11 2024 09:15 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much all the mafia in Rayn/koshi/DMB/Oats If scott is mafia I will just feel vindicated post game and blame the loss on trfel and marv.
This is unreal. Who is siding with mafia? Is mafiabstill split over the groups? wowowowow
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On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time.
He is famous for being low activity as mafia? Then why are we not lynching him. I only remember 2 towngames and he was wayyyyyyy more active there. It's 90% of why I am voting him.
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On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity
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On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb
Unreal.
Ok so mafia is split up.
rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2
Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2
Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1
Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend.
It is obvious Tfrel is town
It is obvious Scott is town
It is obvious Oats is town
Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure.
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On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:
I think we should lynch Rayn today with dmb a close second.
Ohhhhhhh boiiiiiii
I am getting convinced.
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On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo
The entire town. We just have a different scum we slide with.
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I almost never type in all caps
THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY.
AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am.
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On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well.
The townies are in control. You have to trust that.
Youvare town and in control of your teams target.
I am town and I am in control of my teams target. If you dont trust me, Oats is also town and going for sandroba.
In the perfect world. We are both killing the mafia thatvrides our ass.
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On June 11 2024 16:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well. The townies are in control. You have to trust that. Youvare town and in control of your teams target. I am town and I am in control of my teams target. If you dont trust me, Oats is also town and going for sandroba. In the perfect world. We are both killing the mafia thatvrides our ass.
The other team townies are killing the opposite mafia ass rider is what I mean.
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So best case it is sandroba that is mafia in townteam tfrel mocsta az Vivax.
And dmb in townteam Oats Koshi
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rayn can you 100% convince me you are town?
At this point I would switch sides.
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On June 11 2024 16:14 Koshi wrote:
rayn can you 100% convince me you are town?
At this point I would switch sides.
Not would. I could.
@Tfrel. I think rayns case on sandroba is legit. Do you want me to explain it or do you understand but not agree it is good?
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Ahno you understand it. You just dont think it is good.
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On June 11 2024 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing. Why do you want to keep Sandro alive so much actually? He’s been utterly useless to town
Oats. You are right about sandro.
I 100% am with you.
But we have to rethink if we are right on dmb and rayn.
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On June 11 2024 16:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:16 Koshi wrote:
Ahno you understand it. You just dont think it is good. Do you think it is good still?
Yes. It obviously does not make sandroba lock mafia.
BUT
In a fast catch up. It is weird that sandroba sees something that makes him go: "Hey rsoultin and Oats could be a mafia team"
And then not much later goes:
Town:
Oats
Mafia:
Rsoultin
It just contradicts this earlier post you made in a catchup of so many pages. If it is throwaway, why post it? He is limiting his post count and still contradicts in that low post count.
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On June 11 2024 15:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb Unreal. Ok so mafia is split up. rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2 Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1 Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend. It is obvious Tfrel is town It is obvious Scott is town It is obvious Oats is town Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure. what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle?
I think DMB.
I now fully believe we have mafia we are blind towards, and mafia we cant unsee. And for some reason it is perfectly split between the townies.
(Well your team has more townies so that is why I consider our team has 2)
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On June 11 2024 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post. On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game? I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment. I guess I can go back and respond to this. If you don't agree that's fine but I'll try. It's totally understandable for someone to misinterpret something and make a wrong claim and realize it and retract their claim. This isn't what raynpelikoneet did. When sandroba and I pointed out that he was misreading sandroba's post, instead of changing his view, raynpelikoneet modified his argument. See here: On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR;
If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin. Raynpelikoneet's initial argument: - Sandroba said that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster could be mafia (implying this is more likely). Then, sandroba said he thinks rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, but didn't think Oatsmaster is mafia Becomes: - Sandroba said a pointless association read, it's pointless because it only matters if someone is town, and sandroba thinks that person is mafia The latter isn't wrong, but it's a much weaker argument. However, this change did not affect raynpelikoneet's read on sandroba or his confidence in this case. Town in this spot would re-evaluate given the new information. Note that raynpelikoneet's third point is literally nonsense. Sandroba said "I have no idea how to read rsoultin so it helps that Koshi replaced in, here are the reasons Koshi is mafia: (reasons)" and took that to mean "Koshi is mafia because I have no idea how to read rsoultin" which is simply not what sandroba said? The end result is you have a three point case where raynpelikoneet literally said the first point doesn't mean anything on its own, the second point is quite weak, and the third point is objectively not true. But raynpelikoneet still believes it, very strongly, after being shown these things. fuck you that's definitely not what happened at all.
It's how he perceived it. So be nice.
He is trying to explain his view.
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On June 11 2024 16:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Gonna quote this one more time for clarity. First paragraph, he literally says in the second paragraph that it doesn't make sandroba mafia. If you choose to interpret this point as being strong, I can't stop you, but I don't think it is very strong, and raynpelikoneet doesn't, either. I don't even really think it's true tbh, but that's more subjective and I don't feel like arguing about it. Second paragraph I discussed a few posts previously. Third paragraph I discussed a few posts previously. Note that this is the reasoning that raynpelikoneet is using to explain his vote on sandroba. And raynpelikoneet was defending sandroba not long before! So this reasoning has to be strong enough to make sandroba the most suspicious person, and also override his previous town lean/town read on sandroba.
On your last paragraph, I believe town!rayn can switch his read based on tje case he made.
I know Vivax would confirm this.
Classic rayn. He can tunnel somebody an entire game of such a read.
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Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third?
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I dont want to clutter the thread looking for the third.
I think we should keep rayn alive and undisturbed today.
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Should just decide which of the two is the best lynch. I think Oats made good points on Sandroba. The overexplain8ng is real.
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On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely.
Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today.
Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team.
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On June 11 2024 16:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? No, we clearly do not all agree on this? If we agreed, we would be lynching sandroba instead of looking for alternatives?
No you would be lynching DMB...
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Tfrel bro.
It is impossible all mafia is in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats.
If you think 3/4 are you are still in one of the most unique situations in mafia history. No mafia team ever pushes like this.
So more likely it is 2/4 and the 2 townies in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats found the third mafia.
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On June 11 2024 16:38 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:37 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today. Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team. I think rayn is a better lynch than DMB even.
Damn. I thinkbrayn would play better as mafia. Because his goal is to not get lynched then.
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On June 11 2024 16:39 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel bro.
It is impossible all in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats is mafia.
If you think 3/4 are you are still in one of the most unique situations in mafia history. No mafia team ever pushes like this.
So more likely it is 2/4 and the 2 townies in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats found the third mafia.
Ebwop
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I am willing to vote dmb.
Not rayn. Not yet.
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If sandrobe becomes town. I am willing to switch rayn. But before that. Never.
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Really positive night.
Thank you again Oatsmaster.
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On June 11 2024 16:44 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:39 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel bro.
It is impossible all mafia is in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats.
If you think 3/4 are you are still in one of the most unique situations in mafia history. No mafia team ever pushes like this.
So more likely it is 2/4 and the 2 townies in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats found the third mafia. No offense, but Koshi, have you read the thread? I am well aware of this and said this here: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well.
Yes. But the part that the townies in that list have a brain and are also trying to solve the game is lost on you.
You were rude to Oats.
You are doomsday posting because we dont exactly think like you do. While if Sandroba is mafia. We are presenting you the full solution to the game and you repay us with talking about conceding.
Not fun bro
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On June 11 2024 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
Lol rude to oats
Gtfo
Can't remember koshi
How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta
He was. Very briefly. But that's ok. I am also rude at times.
N1 was first hour of the day for me. But I had you as mafia because I thought you were pushing a specific narrative in the thread. I thought you were not trying to solve the game as a whole. Just limiting yourself to a specific part.
But I had doubts if I was correct on you. The Vivax excursion left me angry and I came back to what I originally thought. I drew a line before going to bed between the two camps.
And the talk you guys had with Oatsmaster made me see that I was wrong and that there is a strong core in your side of town.
Now we are here. Your camp has a strong towncore, I have Oats and Scott.
The solution is dmb/sandroba and 1 more.
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I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him.
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On June 11 2024 17:04 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:46 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:44 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 16:39 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel bro.
It is impossible all mafia is in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats.
If you think 3/4 are you are still in one of the most unique situations in mafia history. No mafia team ever pushes like this.
So more likely it is 2/4 and the 2 townies in Koshi rayn dmb and Oats found the third mafia. No offense, but Koshi, have you read the thread? I am well aware of this and said this here: On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. Yes. But the part that the townies in that list have a brain and are also trying to solve the game is lost on you. You were rude to Oats. You are doomsday posting because we dont exactly think like you do. While if Sandroba is mafia. We are presenting you the full solution to the game and you repay us with talking about conceding. Not fun bro What? I was impatient and rude with Oatsmaster. I apologized, and I will try to do better. For what it's worth, he wasn't particularly kind to me either. I'm well aware that town players can think differently and have different conclusions than me. This is why I have been working to figure out who is mafia and who isn't. For example, I've reached out to die_meatbaby multiple times to try and understand where she is coming from, and if she is town, to try and realize that. She has generally not responded. I know I got frustrated with Oatsmaster, but this wasn't due to the fact that he was disagreeing with me, it was the way he was doing so, with constant comments seemingly trying to get under my skin. I'm not proud of this by an means, but you can't say it's the same as getting mad at someone for simply disagreeing. I'm not really sorry for getting discouraged? Nothing against Alakaslam at all, stuff happens, but if he's town, that puts us in a really rough spot. When you combine the missing vote with the lack of logic and the antagonizing chip shots, it's pretty darn discouraging. At the same time, I have a right to play the game and try to find mafia, and a part of that is trying to figure out what is right and what isn't. I don't mean to be insulting to anyone, or frustrating to anyone, but at the same time, if someone says something that I think is wrong, I have a right to say so. Just as anyone else has a right to say so if I say something they think is wrong. It's a two way street. Yes, I've been far from perfect. But your post above is quite the mischaracterization of my play.
Yes. I was a little snippy snappy because you asked me if I could read.
You want me to vote rayn? I'll give you my vote.
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On June 11 2024 17:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:03 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
Lol rude to oats
Gtfo
Can't remember koshi
How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta He was. Very briefly. But that's ok. I am also rude at times. N1 was first hour of the day for me. But I had you as mafia because I thought you were pushing a specific narrative in the thread. I thought you were not trying to solve the game as a whole. Just limiting yourself to a specific part. But I had doubts if I was correct on you. The Vivax excursion left me angry and I came back to what I originally thought. I drew a line before going to bed between the two camps. And the talk you guys had with Oatsmaster made me see that I was wrong and that there is a strong core in your side of town. Now we are here. Your camp has a strong towncore, I have Oats and Scott. The solution is dmb/sandroba and 1 more. I need more specificity please What narrative are you talking about? As in what precisely stood out above all else, and why was that scummy to focus on given that as you said there was only one hour of gameplay notched on your belt.
Not really useful for me to go back to that. I think I wrote it down and marv agreed. Something about your filter being disconnecred from the game. I read your filter and I think scotts filter close to each other and your filter was less informative about how the game played out. Something like that.
It's how I tried to catch up
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On June 11 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote:
I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. What do we need to talk about?
You agree that AZ, Mocsta, Tfrel and Vivax were vero constructive and pro town in that conversation with Oats?
Felt like 5 townies talking.
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On June 10 2024 07:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. I like this
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On June 11 2024 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:13 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote:
I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. What do we need to talk about? You agree that AZ, Mocsta, Tfrel and Vivax were vero constructive and pro town in that conversation with Oats? Felt like 5 townies talking. What discussion are you talking about? The one where Oats tries to tell them to vote for sandroba and everyone else is zero constructive?
They are blind to sandroba because the spotlight is on dmb you me
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But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
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On June 11 2024 17:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote:
But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit? There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause. So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia? I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
Oats
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On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote:
But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit? There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
I understand but we need those townies to see the light. If we lynch dmb, she flips town, then we lynch into their group tomorrow. If they refuse, we go to war.
But do we really want to defend dmb vs sandroba?
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If dmb is town my doubts are gone.
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Currently I think it is for 100% sure sandroba. 85% dmb. And then the last I dont know.
I am willing to go to the 85%.
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On June 11 2024 17:48 Trfel wrote:Has anyone else noticed how freaking much Koshi's reads change? Not an issue, just it's hard for me to keep track of. I guess the real question is if his reads change in a mafia motivated way. He starts out scumreading marvellosity, Mocsta, and sandroba. And then later drops the scumread on marvellosity. He has townreads on scott31337 and die_meatbaby. Maybe the first notable part is Koshi's read on Vivax. + Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 10 2024 05:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:Vivax+ Show Spoiler +Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. What is the core of your case? You believe town!Vivax should be trying to convince the thread to lynch scott more because his mindset is that scott is sure mafia? The fact Vivax is not doing that makes you think that this is mafia!Vivax faking reads. Because some of the quotes from your previous case felt like it was just Vivax bantering and being at worst apathic about towns capabilities based on previous games and stuff. On June 10 2024 05:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level. Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment. On June 10 2024 19:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:59 Trfel wrote:die_meatbaby on VivaxOn June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Die_meatbaby's third post of the game. For what it's worth I don't think this is a terribly good way to read Vivax, but I'm curious if die_meatbaby follows this view throughout the game. On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that More posts to a similar effect but I'm running out of time. Now I need to check if Vivax's posting warrants the change but idk if I have time to do so My guess is that it's debatable. Gut feels say look at raynpelikoneet and Vivax most. Sandroba, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, maybe scott31337 and Oatsmaster after that. No particular order on those. Vivax is just.... so nonsensical? I am really struggling with how he could be town and be like this. I'm honestly willing to give Alakaslam more time when so many otehrs are so sus
##Vote: Vivax On June 10 2024 19:27 Koshi wrote:
I think Tfrel sees the game correctly. I don't see it yet but I sense he could be correct. On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. On June 11 2024 03:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think the case on vivax is not good imo. Idk how everyone is sheeping that?
I will talk about it when i am home. Wanted to talk about it with AZ first but apparently he is awol. The case on Vivax is good enough. Marv said so. On June 11 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no? Because I think you had Vivax. On June 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track. That's good. Everybody should have fun. I also don't think Vivax is mafia anymore. 15 pages is way too much. Should we lynch rayn? Or me first? I think it's quite interesting how Koshi was kinda thinking Vivax was town (or at least soft defending him), then when people started voting for Vivax he also voted for Vivax, then after people backed off of Vivax, he backed off too, and arguably did so for reasons that existed before he voted for Vivax in the first place. This isn't unreasonable to come from town, but it feels...weird? See for example these two posts: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Ok Vivax. Let's pretend you transcended and kept so cool under this pressure. Can you explain to me why I was mafia with reasons prior to 2 hours ago? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track. That's good. Everybody should have fun. I also don't think Vivax is mafia anymore. 15 pages is way too much. Should we lynch rayn? Or me first? In the first quote, Koshi is implying that Vivax didn't do well under the pressure. This matches several of Koshi's previous posts. In the second quote, Koshi is backing off of his Vivax scumread. The kicker is that these two posts were made six minutes apart. Maybe Koshi is just like this as town, but it's hard for me not to find this read change suspect when Koshi was stubborn in scumreading Vivax for quite some time, even after I backed off, and then suddenly stopped himself. It feels very convenient. I think it's also worth looking at Koshi's read progression on raynpelikoneet and die_meatbaby. + Show Spoiler [Koshi on raynpelikoneet] +On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:
because I townread rayn, and rayn townreads slam, I will not try to read slam and just assume he is town. On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. On June 10 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why? I like how he plays this game. The recent things I dont like: 1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died. 2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot. 3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts. On June 11 2024 03:13 Koshi wrote:
Anyway.
I habe time for scott but not for other people.
rayn is really weird.
Vivax doesnt know what to do with the Tfrel pressure.
Sandroba is doing more of the same.
They can all get lynched. On June 11 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote:rayn: 1) I miss his insightful comments while talking to me. We have been in the same thread together and when marv and I were becoming BFFs, rayn was pretty much on the sidelines. If he didn't like my scott read I would have wanted him to talk to me about it. If he liked it, I would have loved a insightful comment why I was right. But instead he made a comment at marv about how marv also thought scott was town. Later he made a oneliner he also thought scott was town. 2) He is not interacting with me. Or annoying me to find out my alignment. Or anything. So I don't really understand why you say our interactions are weird, there are almost none. az: I have no clue. His activity was there when i wasn't in the thread. On June 11 2024 05:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, dod you reqd anythig i posted during n1? rayn can we be friends and solve the game? sandroba mocsta and slam? What do you think? What is this obsession with AZ On June 11 2024 16:14 Koshi wrote:
rayn can you 100% convince me you are town?
At this point I would switch sides. On June 11 2024 16:34 Koshi wrote:
I dont want to clutter the thread looking for the third.
I think we should keep rayn alive and undisturbed today. On June 11 2024 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I am willing to vote dmb.
Not rayn. Not yet. On June 11 2024 16:44 Koshi wrote:
If sandrobe becomes town. I am willing to switch rayn. But before that. Never. On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote:
I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. So in the end I have no idea what to make of this. Honestly it reads most like Koshi is just thinking out loud, and the constant and sudden direction changes just come from him changing his mind. + Show Spoiler [Koshi on die_meatbaby] +On June 09 2024 14:37 Koshi wrote:
Ok dmb can be worked with. Good. On June 10 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
I think DMB is town. Just read her filter. On June 11 2024 03:48 Koshi wrote:
Fml. Between DMB and Vivax there is no way dmb is the mafia. On June 11 2024 05:01 Koshi wrote:
DMB shares my reads and calls me supertown.
Hard for me to lynch her. On June 11 2024 16:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 15:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:
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He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia.
Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb Unreal. Ok so mafia is split up. rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2 Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1 Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend. It is obvious Tfrel is town It is obvious Scott is town It is obvious Oats is town Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure. what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle? I think DMB. I now fully believe we have mafia we are blind towards, and mafia we cant unsee. And for some reason it is perfectly split between the townies. (Well your team has more townies so that is why I consider our team has 2) On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? On June 11 2024 16:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today. Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team. On June 11 2024 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I am willing to vote dmb.
Not rayn. Not yet. This read progression is more challenging to understand. From post #2593, where Koshi says it'll be hard for him to lynch die_meatbaby, to post #2964, where Koshi says he would vote for die_meatbaby this cycle, die_meatbaby has four posts: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
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##Vote: Sandroba On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia. He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this. Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar? Explain me how sandroba is town?? If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him? On June 11 2024 06:29 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
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##Vote: Sandroba I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong. How does that go with you? I need more time to read vivax and also to read you On June 11 2024 07:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:42 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia. He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this. Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar? Explain me how sandroba is town?? If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him? I don't have a super confident read on sandroba or anything but currently he is being voted by the people in the game I find most suspicious. This makes me very incentivized to keep him alive. He's been low activity/involvement, but that alone doesn't make him mafia imo. You said that he has townreads early, some people value their early townreads, it's a playstyle thing. I will note however that sandroba didn't say he was townreading AlphaZero, just that he liked the point that AlphaZero made. I will note however that the final post of these "townreads" was post #283. By this point, your townread rsoultin said she liked where Vivax's head was at, and that she liked AlphaZero. I don't consider three to be significantly more than two, especially since sandroba was posting at a later point in the game, where there was more that happened. Basically though what I am getting at is that early townreads aren't atypical at all. For example, when rsoultin came back she almost immediately said I looked good (post #343). I don't think Mocsta is a power role, or if he is, it's definitely not because of his post about jailkeeping Oatsmaster or whatever he said. I don't see any reasons that you have given for Mocsta to be mafia outside of associations with sandroba (who I don't really think is mafia) and him saying he is a power role (which I don't believe). If you have other reasons, please let me know. If you are town, I'm going to need some help to see it so we can lynch Koshi and/or raynpelikoneet here. Or heck, even someone else if there is good reason. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM I already explained here why they are together. I have a hard times to read rayn. Why do you think he is mafla? It's hard to say if there is anything there that justifies Koshi's read change. If Koshi's mindset/game view changed then this is more understandable, but I don't really think die_meatbaby's play alone can explain it.
In conclusion, I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? To me, Koshi's read progressions on Vivax and die_meatbaby feel a bit fake and also convenient, however his read progression on raynpelikoneet comes across as significantly more genuine. It's hard for me to understand Koshi's approach but that doesn't make him mafia, that just makes him confusing. Koshi, or anyone else, any insight?
I am the opposite of an analytical player. I basically forget what people posted 5 seconds after I read it except for a few posts that linger.
I more gouge what is happening and how it makes me feel.
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On June 11 2024 18:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 17:51 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 17:48 Trfel wrote:Has anyone else noticed how freaking much Koshi's reads change? Not an issue, just it's hard for me to keep track of. I guess the real question is if his reads change in a mafia motivated way. He starts out scumreading marvellosity, Mocsta, and sandroba. And then later drops the scumread on marvellosity. He has townreads on scott31337 and die_meatbaby. Maybe the first notable part is Koshi's read on Vivax. + Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 10 2024 05:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:Vivax+ Show Spoiler +Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. What is the core of your case? You believe town!Vivax should be trying to convince the thread to lynch scott more because his mindset is that scott is sure mafia? The fact Vivax is not doing that makes you think that this is mafia!Vivax faking reads. Because some of the quotes from your previous case felt like it was just Vivax bantering and being at worst apathic about towns capabilities based on previous games and stuff. On June 10 2024 05:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level. Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment. On June 10 2024 19:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:59 Trfel wrote:die_meatbaby on VivaxOn June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Die_meatbaby's third post of the game. For what it's worth I don't think this is a terribly good way to read Vivax, but I'm curious if die_meatbaby follows this view throughout the game. On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that More posts to a similar effect but I'm running out of time. Now I need to check if Vivax's posting warrants the change but idk if I have time to do so My guess is that it's debatable. Gut feels say look at raynpelikoneet and Vivax most. Sandroba, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, maybe scott31337 and Oatsmaster after that. No particular order on those. Vivax is just.... so nonsensical? I am really struggling with how he could be town and be like this. I'm honestly willing to give Alakaslam more time when so many otehrs are so sus
##Vote: Vivax On June 10 2024 19:27 Koshi wrote:
I think Tfrel sees the game correctly. I don't see it yet but I sense he could be correct. On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. On June 11 2024 03:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think the case on vivax is not good imo. Idk how everyone is sheeping that?
I will talk about it when i am home. Wanted to talk about it with AZ first but apparently he is awol. The case on Vivax is good enough. Marv said so. On June 11 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no? Because I think you had Vivax. On June 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track. That's good. Everybody should have fun. I also don't think Vivax is mafia anymore. 15 pages is way too much. Should we lynch rayn? Or me first? I think it's quite interesting how Koshi was kinda thinking Vivax was town (or at least soft defending him), then when people started voting for Vivax he also voted for Vivax, then after people backed off of Vivax, he backed off too, and arguably did so for reasons that existed before he voted for Vivax in the first place. This isn't unreasonable to come from town, but it feels...weird? See for example these two posts: On June 11 2024 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Ok Vivax. Let's pretend you transcended and kept so cool under this pressure. Can you explain to me why I was mafia with reasons prior to 2 hours ago? On June 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I reject this premise. I just got back into the game and I am enjoying myself, especially now that it seems we are on the right track. That's good. Everybody should have fun. I also don't think Vivax is mafia anymore. 15 pages is way too much. Should we lynch rayn? Or me first? In the first quote, Koshi is implying that Vivax didn't do well under the pressure. This matches several of Koshi's previous posts. In the second quote, Koshi is backing off of his Vivax scumread. The kicker is that these two posts were made six minutes apart. Maybe Koshi is just like this as town, but it's hard for me not to find this read change suspect when Koshi was stubborn in scumreading Vivax for quite some time, even after I backed off, and then suddenly stopped himself. It feels very convenient. I think it's also worth looking at Koshi's read progression on raynpelikoneet and die_meatbaby. + Show Spoiler [Koshi on raynpelikoneet] +On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:
because I townread rayn, and rayn townreads slam, I will not try to read slam and just assume he is town. On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. On June 10 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why? I like how he plays this game. The recent things I dont like: 1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died. 2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot. 3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts. On June 11 2024 03:13 Koshi wrote:
Anyway.
I habe time for scott but not for other people.
rayn is really weird.
Vivax doesnt know what to do with the Tfrel pressure.
Sandroba is doing more of the same.
They can all get lynched. On June 11 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote:rayn: 1) I miss his insightful comments while talking to me. We have been in the same thread together and when marv and I were becoming BFFs, rayn was pretty much on the sidelines. If he didn't like my scott read I would have wanted him to talk to me about it. If he liked it, I would have loved a insightful comment why I was right. But instead he made a comment at marv about how marv also thought scott was town. Later he made a oneliner he also thought scott was town. 2) He is not interacting with me. Or annoying me to find out my alignment. Or anything. So I don't really understand why you say our interactions are weird, there are almost none. az: I have no clue. His activity was there when i wasn't in the thread. On June 11 2024 05:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, dod you reqd anythig i posted during n1? rayn can we be friends and solve the game? sandroba mocsta and slam? What do you think? What is this obsession with AZ On June 11 2024 16:14 Koshi wrote:
rayn can you 100% convince me you are town?
At this point I would switch sides. On June 11 2024 16:34 Koshi wrote:
I dont want to clutter the thread looking for the third.
I think we should keep rayn alive and undisturbed today. On June 11 2024 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I am willing to vote dmb.
Not rayn. Not yet. On June 11 2024 16:44 Koshi wrote:
If sandrobe becomes town. I am willing to switch rayn. But before that. Never. On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote:
I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. So in the end I have no idea what to make of this. Honestly it reads most like Koshi is just thinking out loud, and the constant and sudden direction changes just come from him changing his mind. + Show Spoiler [Koshi on die_meatbaby] +On June 09 2024 14:37 Koshi wrote:
Ok dmb can be worked with. Good. On June 10 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
I think DMB is town. Just read her filter. On June 11 2024 03:48 Koshi wrote:
Fml. Between DMB and Vivax there is no way dmb is the mafia. On June 11 2024 05:01 Koshi wrote:
DMB shares my reads and calls me supertown.
Hard for me to lynch her. On June 11 2024 16:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 15:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:
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He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia.
Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't I guarantee you he doesn’t In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss. Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy I assume that this is the question you want me to answer, I generally agree with his thinking and worldviews The post you quoted was weak I agree. I just want to give him some time because I think it will become more clear than this either way. And I think there are good alternatives. Like Rayn/koshi/dmb Unreal. Ok so mafia is split up. rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2 Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1 Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend. It is obvious Tfrel is town It is obvious Scott is town It is obvious Oats is town Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure. what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle? I think DMB. I now fully believe we have mafia we are blind towards, and mafia we cant unsee. And for some reason it is perfectly split between the townies. (Well your team has more townies so that is why I consider our team has 2) On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? On June 11 2024 16:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. Yes. Just like we are not sure about DMB. But let's argue which of these 2 is most likely today. Really like the way you guys approached Oats. Except 1-2 adhoms it was enjoyable to read. There is for sure a lot of town in your team. On June 11 2024 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I am willing to vote dmb.
Not rayn. Not yet. This read progression is more challenging to understand. From post #2593, where Koshi says it'll be hard for him to lynch die_meatbaby, to post #2964, where Koshi says he would vote for die_meatbaby this cycle, die_meatbaby has four posts: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
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##Vote: Sandroba On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia. He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this. Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar? Explain me how sandroba is town?? If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him? On June 11 2024 06:29 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
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##Vote: Sandroba I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong. How does that go with you? I need more time to read vivax and also to read you On June 11 2024 07:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 06:42 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia. He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this. Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar? Explain me how sandroba is town?? If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him? I don't have a super confident read on sandroba or anything but currently he is being voted by the people in the game I find most suspicious. This makes me very incentivized to keep him alive. He's been low activity/involvement, but that alone doesn't make him mafia imo. You said that he has townreads early, some people value their early townreads, it's a playstyle thing. I will note however that sandroba didn't say he was townreading AlphaZero, just that he liked the point that AlphaZero made. I will note however that the final post of these "townreads" was post #283. By this point, your townread rsoultin said she liked where Vivax's head was at, and that she liked AlphaZero. I don't consider three to be significantly more than two, especially since sandroba was posting at a later point in the game, where there was more that happened. Basically though what I am getting at is that early townreads aren't atypical at all. For example, when rsoultin came back she almost immediately said I looked good (post #343). I don't think Mocsta is a power role, or if he is, it's definitely not because of his post about jailkeeping Oatsmaster or whatever he said. I don't see any reasons that you have given for Mocsta to be mafia outside of associations with sandroba (who I don't really think is mafia) and him saying he is a power role (which I don't believe). If you have other reasons, please let me know. If you are town, I'm going to need some help to see it so we can lynch Koshi and/or raynpelikoneet here. Or heck, even someone else if there is good reason. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM I already explained here why they are together. I have a hard times to read rayn. Why do you think he is mafla? It's hard to say if there is anything there that justifies Koshi's read change. If Koshi's mindset/game view changed then this is more understandable, but I don't really think die_meatbaby's play alone can explain it.
In conclusion, I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? To me, Koshi's read progressions on Vivax and die_meatbaby feel a bit fake and also convenient, however his read progression on raynpelikoneet comes across as significantly more genuine. It's hard for me to understand Koshi's approach but that doesn't make him mafia, that just makes him confusing. Koshi, or anyone else, any insight? I am the opposite of an analytical player. I basically forget what people posted 5 seconds after I read it except for a few posts that linger. I more gouge what is happening and how it makes me feel. Gotcha. So basically you're like Alakaslam without the chupazi and the hijole Out of curiosity, what's it like reading your previous posts? For example, you're 85% confident die_meatbaby is mafia and are maybe willing to lynch her, does it make you reconsider when you read the reasons you were townreading her?
No, it does not give me pause. Sometimes I reread my own post after the game and I see that I was right at some time even with good reasoning but then completely went the wrong way after that. That makes me sad.
But in this case I probably just thought DMB was analysing in her own way the game. And I agreed with the outcome.
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Oats snippets on sandroba are good as well.
Sandroba voting me and then voting off me to vote dmb and go away was also very weird. He had me as 100% mafia, and then voted off me without trying to talk to me even though I reaching out. But also not saying why dmb was a better lynch than I was.
It was pretty smart actually now that I think of it from mafia perspective because it helped causing this division between the town parties.
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On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post? Highest degree of mafianess Sandro Slam Dmb Mocsta Vivax Koshi Rayn Scott Az Trfel Lowest degree of mafianess
This guy fucks.
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On June 11 2024 18:40 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:58 Trfel wrote:
The thing is, I'm not sold on sandroba being town.
I don't get much of an impression either way from his posts. But there is a distinct lack of them.
I'm...... going to vote for sandroba actually. dude.. I'm crying here Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. You want to flip to sandroba too? Is the mason logs going well or something? Like what does sandroba!mafia conclude such that the game is straight forward?
That we can lynch Oats his top 4 and win the game 😘
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On June 11 2024 18:40 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Hey raynpelikoneet, can we talk about this for a little? I don't want to upset you and once again I am sorry that I did so, but if you are town I would very much like to understand where you are coming from. Specifically the third paragraph, would you be able to explain where that is coming from? Here are the things sandroba said on rsoultin during D1: On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
Now after that Koshi enter the game in place of rsoultin, and sandroba's take on that D2 is: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. I understand if sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia. Why does he have to justify it with something rsoultin did? Similar to the Oats thing in his catch up, that's all out of place, this doesn't make any sense. If sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia, why write anything about rsoultin, if he thought rsoultin is null? It's like, "because i think this person does now look scummy, suddenly their other posts that are null became scummy as well". If you get what i mean? This case is really weak.
That's relative.
Do you think sandroba posts rayn talks about are "insightful" posts? And I think that what rayn points out here, is why you answer that question with not really.
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On June 11 2024 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:54 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:44 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:42 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:40 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:58 Trfel wrote:
The thing is, I'm not sold on sandroba being town.
I don't get much of an impression either way from his posts. But there is a distinct lack of them.
I'm...... going to vote for sandroba actually. dude.. I'm crying here Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. You want to flip to sandroba too? Is the mason logs going well or something? Like what does sandroba!mafia conclude such that the game is straight forward? Then we can worry less about oats/koshi/rayn. we? You're dead n2 most likely lol I think if sandroba is town then game.is over effectively Yeah sandroba might be scum but I'm not voting with that block. I would rather assume they are bussing because sandroba was at risk of modkill and made just enough effort to keep the slot going but may not return covering your bases already? you must have sold a lot of copies of 'rayns how to play: town - dodge and reframe mastery' Let me tell you some of your mastery.... Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta. Trfel makes a case on Vivax. You blindly sheep onto the case. I am the only person in this game who has provably told i dont think Trfel's case on Vivax is good before he said it was fake. Even when Trfel fucking thinks i am mafia. For some reason this doesn't matter to you at all, you just take him at face value when he says "oh case was fake lets focus on rayn", and you go all balls out on rayn. Then Trfel says "no i dont really want rayn i want to actually follow him on sandroba" and you are STILL on Trfel is always town train????? I mean, for you, ther SHOULD be a reasonable amount of doubt of Trfel being town, because all the good shit in your opinion he has done he has backed out of and now he is doing stupid shit. Yet you don't. Thank you for playing, mafia.
Ah lucky me. rayn is most likely town and now I have to really ponder if it is slam or Mocsta.
Ty Oats.
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On June 11 2024 19:09 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:54 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:44 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:42 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:40 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 17:58 Trfel wrote:
The thing is, I'm not sold on sandroba being town.
I don't get much of an impression either way from his posts. But there is a distinct lack of them.
I'm...... going to vote for sandroba actually. dude.. I'm crying here Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. You want to flip to sandroba too? Is the mason logs going well or something? Like what does sandroba!mafia conclude such that the game is straight forward? Then we can worry less about oats/koshi/rayn. we? You're dead n2 most likely lol I think if sandroba is town then game.is over effectively Yeah sandroba might be scum but I'm not voting with that block. I would rather assume they are bussing because sandroba was at risk of modkill and made just enough effort to keep the slot going but may not return covering your bases already? you must have sold a lot of copies of 'rayns how to play: town - dodge and reframe mastery' Let me tell you some of your mastery.... Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta. Trfel makes a case on Vivax. You blindly sheep onto the case. I am the only person in this game who has provably told i dont think Trfel's case on Vivax is good before he said it was fake. Even when Trfel fucking thinks i am mafia. For some reason this doesn't matter to you at all, you just take him at face value when he says "oh case was fake lets focus on rayn", and you go all balls out on rayn. Then Trfel says "no i dont really want rayn i want to actually follow him on sandroba" and you are STILL on Trfel is always town train????? I mean, for you, ther SHOULD be a reasonable amount of doubt of Trfel being town, because all the good shit in your opinion he has done he has backed out of and now he is doing stupid shit. Yet you don't. Thank you for playing, mafia. This post is bad. And should not be made by town Rayn imo. Why should mocsta town reading obv town trfel mean anything. If mocsta is mafia why is this the case to make. It’s very fucking weak.
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Damn wanted to comment on that.
Anyway. Ignore the Mocsta part.
If rayn did what he described there on the Tfrel Vivax case. Does that make him more town or more mafia?
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Well maybe I should read how much he cared about saying the case was bad. But I remember him saying it.
I think I can see town!rayn go "hey that case isnt good" and go on with his life. Mafia!rayn would maybe try to gain something out that event
I think mafia rayn would play different with such a filter. Be more liked for exapmle.
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I am sheeping Oats. If he moves off sandroba I will. Otherwise I really hope we stay on dmb or sandroba and dont do weird stuff like rayn or vivax or mocsta or slam
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On June 11 2024 19:22 AlphaZero wrote:
So you think my point is bad or what?
I think town!rayn can make that point.
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On June 11 2024 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
@koshi,
When you said that trfel went from hero to zero, what moments did you think he was a hero in and what moments was he zero in
I more meant from directing the thread in a good direction (Vivax at that time, I commebted something positive back then) towards a full town team with rayn me and dmb.
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I dont understand the last quote with Mocsta and AZ. The thing is that I believe town is divided and both sides are probably partly correct.
Personally I have sandroba as 101% mafia. 1% more after that last come back.
Dmb as 85%.
I still believe most likely mafia is within the top 4 of Oats. I dont think rayn is mafia but I would not be too surprised if he is.
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Sandroba/dmb fits nicely with this voting pattern of sandroba. Alone for that she is mafia. The connection to his mafia buddy is just cherry on top.
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Koshi 100% mafia
--> removes vote for mafia!dmb (which is just a thing mafia does to sow doubt)
---> goes to rayn with the good old rayn/dmb/Koshi scumteam.
Like.... I enjoy that people still think I am mafia but to be mafia with those 2... hahahaha
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On June 12 2024 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
Scott's town
Exactly the same bebop style and this lunch has resistance and therefore if mafia I would seriously expect a deviation
Fuck yeah game is coming together!
Stay strong see you closer to deadline
Again will join where the majority of my town reads
Sandroba.scott. oats. Trfel. Vivax. Az. Slam
My preferred lynch is rayn or dmb
Sandroba is never town. Stop saying it.
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On June 12 2024 00:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 00:43 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2024 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
Scott's town
Exactly the same bebop style and this lunch has resistance and therefore if mafia I would seriously expect a deviation
Fuck yeah game is coming together!
Stay strong see you closer to deadline
Again will join where the majority of my town reads
Sandroba.scott. oats. Trfel. Vivax. Az. Slam
My preferred lynch is rayn or dmb Sandroba is never town. Stop saying it. I feel the same.way with rayn baby Did you get past the cover page of his mastery book?
What is the best sandroba towncase here?
Because I only hear "good asset for town"
Which is laughable at this point.
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This voting pattern of sandroba + explanation proves he is mafia. But it is ok.
DMB is as well.
And if you lynch rayn I can live with it because I know most of you are townies.
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On June 12 2024 03:21 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. I'm really going to bed now or in good. To be wrecked for work tomorrow
My olive branch is that I will genuinely consider a sandroba vote even if rayn is on it
Why? Because it's not MYLO and it may help resolve town disconnect. I.e. I suspect you to be around MYLO and you may need this resolved dto work with AZ as an example (doubt he will be alive though)
#love
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On June 12 2024 04:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 00:53 Koshi wrote:
This voting pattern of sandroba + explanation proves he is mafia. But it is ok.
DMB is as well.
And if you lynch rayn I can live with it because I know most of you are townies. Last line has a hint of bitterness in it. Almost like the scumbutts outside of the game who read my posts and understand them but pretend not to
It's because I would dislike that lol
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On June 12 2024 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta seems to be gearing up for sandroba mafia lynch.
There really is no other explanation for his pre-flip actions here.
Isnt it too obvious? He has been antsy all day after the sandroba wagon.
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On June 12 2024 06:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why? Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Oats is extremely town.
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On June 12 2024 06:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 06:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 06:38 Alakaslam wrote:On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why? Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet" Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment Ok this is very true. I still feel like if sandro flips town you are like 88% scum though
then I am also 88% scum.
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I launched a counter wagon to a redchecked scum!Oats last time, and even though I got burned badly, this time, it is literally impossible he is mafia.
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On June 12 2024 07:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 12 2024 07:15 Vivax wrote:
I reread sandro and have a hard time not liking it.
what is there to like after D1? He‘s very specific and unfluffy. I don‘t have to wade through a pool of glue to figure out what he thinks exactly.
You are crazy to think his voting his logical.
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It screams "I have no conviction and will park my vote anywhere it benefits me"
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I don't understand why we are arguing so much still.
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Ignore Vivax. He is extra edgy today.
I don't understand why this town fights so much.
I can only hope sandroba is town. Then is makes sense.
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I suggest we sing kumbaja together during the night. There was too much arguing during the day.
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On June 10 2024 04:06 Trfel wrote:I think die_meatbaby is looking pretty bad, I was going to not say anything and wait for a more slam-dunk case before risking a reaction but if she's going to not say anything, I'm going to get impatient. Absolutely need to consider lynching die_meatbaby tomorrow. I think Vivax is starting to look worse and worse. The defense of die_meatbaby is quite poor, and I absolutely think they can be mafia together here. That said, tbh I don't respect the reads they have on each other in general, but that's a different story But Vivax saying he thinks scott31337 is mafia and then says stuff like this and this and this and this. Doesn't make sense. If Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia then he should be working to get scott31337 lynched, not preparing for him to not get lynched or saying what scott31337 being town means? Also definitely need to consider lynching Vivax tomorrow. Honestly, die_meatbaby, Vivax, and sandroba come across as way more suspicious than everyone else.
You remember this Tfrel? Why was this.
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On June 12 2024 17:22 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 20:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. Relevant.
Hahahavavavavavavavahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On June 12 2024 17:31 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 17:24 Koshi wrote:On June 12 2024 17:22 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 20:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. Relevant. Hahahavavavavavavavahahahahahahahahahahahaha What’s funny? I’m not trying to take credit for anything to do with Sandro Lynch. I’m just saying that this rationale from Mocsta doesn’t make sense.
Ah ok.
Kumbayah borther
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On June 12 2024 19:06 Trfel wrote:
What about what I said?
Why where you on those 3 at that time?
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No. If I am alive tomorrow I revisit everything.
I dont have a preffered lynch target.
I wont lynch Oats.
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You were willing to believe 3 people (rayn dmb koshi) hard pushed sandroba as mafia but you arent inclined to believe 2 mafia defended sandroba?
Funny cuz if those 3 did that, it was to protect one of them.
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But you are obvious town. So clearly you can.
I am just saying this so you dont trap yourself tomorrow.
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I have no idea who the next mafia is. Crazy tbh.
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On June 13 2024 06:41 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 06:13 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 06:05 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote:I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though. @Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought. My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable). Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely. In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread. if you want to lynch me tomorrow for beeing this much inactiv it´s okey for me (if I am alive). But your reads just doesn´t make any sense to me. Why should I make a case on sandroba before there was a lynchbus on him? Btw I am not sure if I can fake a case like the one I made and I still believe that sandroba and mocstar are togther. I am trying to figure out who the third person is and as I have already learend from the games before I should not stuck on the same people for days also when one of my mafia reads were correct. I also start to think if there is a possibility that you could be mafia This doesn't have anything to do with why I think you are mafia though. I think you are mafia because I have been doing everything I can to reach out to you, work with you, and understand you, and you've ignored me much more often than not. And I think you are mafia because you haven't been very involved or invested, and have been hiding behind constant excuses and promises of future activity. Furthermore, when people have raised valid concerns about your play, you have avoided answering, instead avoiding posting or distracting by talking about something else. I am sorry beeing so much inactiv, but also you should know that I was activ as mafia in my old mafia game. Now I am here ask me what ever you want. And tell me who do you think could also be mafia besides me? I still have my Mocstar/sandroba theory but the case that mocstar on az made looks interesting and I didn´t invest much interest in az or to make a good read on az, because I normaly compare old games or the way how the play as either aligment to the actual game. So it makes it more complicated for me to read AZ Well, it feels like always here. My superpower is probably being invisible. It doesn't matter if I post or not anyway. Most of the time it gets ignored until mafia needs it to make fake cases. I get barely answers. Trfl you wanna talk to me or not?
lol let's lynch dmb to celebrate this post.
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I think the last 2 mafia are slam & scott.
But maybe not.
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On June 13 2024 11:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:20 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 11:11 scott31337 wrote:
So Mocsta
If you want to wait until other townies have more intel/info for today
or even until D4 I'm fair with
But are you hard claiming?
That's the part I was speaking we were going to have a convo about I can talk to you i mean. i dont see how a claim changes anything? Because if you haven't been CC (counterclaimed) you are probably confirmed town and things make more sense But like i said it can wait until D4 wait until d4 I say I'm glad koshi is here though Replace idea for colours makes sense Although I'm working off phone. Maybe that has it Bloody hard I will have a look into your n2 post now
What is this about? Is there a greencheck?
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On June 13 2024 16:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 16:09 Koshi wrote:
I think the last 2 mafia are slam & scott.
But maybe not. I can theoretically get behind Alakaslam being mafia. But why scott31337? Haven't you been reading him as one of your top towns?
Yes. But I think I am wrong and he is pushing an agenda now.
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I think I am wrong because he is pushing an agenda now.
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On June 13 2024 16:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. ![[image loading]](https://svgsunshine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Svgsunshine-465-280x280.jpg) Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies Coincidence. But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago
Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?
What is your dmb read?
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On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post? Highest degree of mafianess Sandro Slam Dmb Mocsta Vivax Koshi Rayn Scott Az Trfel Lowest degree of mafianess
I give it a big chance Oats his top 3 is correct.
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On June 13 2024 16:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies Coincidence. But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine? What is your dmb read? Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit. Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD. This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all. Because of the housing crisis, mostly. So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead. So Hehehe
I know. Just a fair warning
I think the key lies between you and dmb. Or maybe both.
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@scott.
I have this feeling you hope to weaponise our friendship and launch an attack in AZ/Mocsta.
If this is not the case. I apologize ;D
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On June 13 2024 16:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:25 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote:
If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. Well we don't know who you are anyway. who is we? How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies Coincidence. But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine? What is your dmb read? Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit. Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD. This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all. Because of the housing crisis, mostly. So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead. So Hehehe I know. Just a fair warning I think the key lies between you and dmb. Or maybe both. Not me and scott?
No. I need to know who is mafia between you and dmb. After that I can focus on scott.
Going for scott first does not make sense.
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On June 13 2024 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi, we need to have a talk in the evening.
Sure. But I am at work.
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On June 13 2024 17:37 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 17:36 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:59 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:25 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 16:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote:On June 13 2024 11:32 AlphaZero wrote:
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who is we?
How do you know no one knows? Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies Coincidence. But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine? What is your dmb read? Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit. Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD. This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all. Because of the housing crisis, mostly. So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead. So Hehehe I know. Just a fair warning I think the key lies between you and dmb. Or maybe both. Not me and scott? No. I need to know who is mafia between you and dmb. After that I can focus on scott. Going for scott first does not make sense. Why?
Because he lynched mafia yesterday.
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On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
With 7 votes, Kelsi3r is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Sunday, Jun 09 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Another reason to not lynch scott today
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On June 13 2024 18:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 17:41 Koshi wrote:On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
With 7 votes, Kelsi3r is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Sunday, Jun 09 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Another reason to not lynch scott today yeah, i literally just read 114 sandroba hits in his filter looking for his d2 case - which there isnt one. his take on sandroba has been pretty damn consistent and lines up with thread evolution.. all his stuff with sandroba has been reactive too, and has maintained his top reads. I dunno, really does come across to me as a townie working across multiple suspects
I say he is potential mafia and 2 people jump on him instantly. I say "I wouldnt lynch him" and then they ask why
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Oats nk makes sense if mafia feels equally threathened by rayn az mocsta vivax koshi etc etc. None sticks out so they kill most obvious townie.
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I think we need to lynch in dmb /slam
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On June 13 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:No Koshi, both are close or 100% town.
I disagree. Oats had them closer to 100% mafia.
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On June 13 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am lynching Trfel before i lynch Slam.
Oh boi
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I am not lynching Tfrel ever. He is my biggest townread now.
He melted down after not getting his way and Oats opposing him.
He is never mafia.
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You will have to proof to me the meltdown was fake, or that it was because he thought he would lose.
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On June 13 2024 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am lynching Trfel before i lynch Slam. Oh boi Dont get me wrong, i think Trfel is 99,9999% town. Trfel however is trying to actively do bad things to the town. Slam ia 100% town for the rage quit, 100%.
Ok. Then this makes it really easy. :D
##vote dmb
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On June 13 2024 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 18:21 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am lynching Trfel before i lynch Slam. Oh boi Dont get me wrong, i think Trfel is 99,9999% town. Trfel however is trying to actively do bad things to the town. Slam ia 100% town for the rage quit, 100%. Ok. Then this makes it really easy. :D
##vote dmb dont be stupid.
I believe in the power of town.
We had our lynch yesterday, now let az,mocsta, tfrel and Vivax have their lynch
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The last mafia is a big fish.
Sandroba was the ansjovis.
DMB a trout.
Now will the last mafia be a shark or just a big carp.
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On June 13 2024 18:30 AlphaZero wrote:
Koshi why you reversing your Scott scum read here?
I am not doing anything.
I think he could be mafia.
But I just mentioned it because I have been saying he is obv town for 48 hours.
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On June 13 2024 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 18:26 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2024 18:21 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am lynching Trfel before i lynch Slam. Oh boi Dont get me wrong, i think Trfel is 99,9999% town. Trfel however is trying to actively do bad things to the town. Slam ia 100% town for the rage quit, 100%. Ok. Then this makes it really easy. :D
##vote dmb dont be stupid. I believe in the power of town. We had our lynch yesterday, now let az,mocsta, tfrel and Vivax have their lynch arent they lynching AZ`?
Early day. Things will change.
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On June 13 2024 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People are getting it all wrong, whoever of those sandroba defenders is town.
All keep telling "sandroba was inactive so mafia", but when sandroba was active "wow sandroba so fucking town". All of them are saying that, literally.
Only me and you Koshi, saw that sandroba when active is not town.
Yeah was weird. But all cant be mafia. And one of us 5 is mafia. This is how mafia plays.
Most likely dmb.
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On June 13 2024 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:23 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People are getting it all wrong, whoever of those sandroba defenders is town.
All keep telling "sandroba was inactive so mafia", but when sandroba was active "wow sandroba so fucking town". All of them are saying that, literally.
Only me and you Koshi, saw that sandroba when active is not town. Yeah was weird. But all cant be mafia. And one of us 5 is mafia. This is how mafia plays. Most likely dmb. why didnt dmb go on rayn when all she can tell is "fuck i cant read rayn"?
Not enough support from town yet. Sandroba already did that.
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If you are sure about slam being town. I am sure about dmb being mafia. It's that simple
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On June 13 2024 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say, if dmb is mafia then vivax is mafia. AZ knows why.
But i dont think dmb is mafia.
Yeah. I also dont think az or mocsta are mafia.
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On June 13 2024 19:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say, if dmb is mafia then vivax is mafia. AZ knows why.
But i dont think dmb is mafia. Yeah. I also dont think az or mocsta are mafia.
That is why my mind went to Scott as third.
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On June 13 2024 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is mafia though.
He is too obviously mafia with Sandroba to be mafia with Sandroba.
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On June 13 2024 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is mafia though.
Well... if he is mafia with dmb and Sandroba it makes sense why he was so hung on you.
So Vivax or Mocsta with Sandroba/DMB is possible.
Guess Scott is tiptoptown after all
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On June 13 2024 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone already almost fucked up the game by not voting sandroba who was too obvious to be mafia with sandroba.
lol. Yeah weird.
One of the few lynches I was pretty sure on.
Voting pattern screamed mafia.
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Yeah Mocsta mafia with dmb and Sandroba explains yesterday.
Way too antsy and fixed upon not voting sandroba or dmb.
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Anyway. AZ, Tfrel and Vivax will prefer to vote dmb over Mocsta I think.
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Man..... if it is Mocsta and Sandroba I entered this game and fucking nailed mafia from my first post.
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Holy fuck how am I not dead then.
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On June 13 2024 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:because everyone and their mother thought you are mafia D2.
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On June 13 2024 19:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to work...
Koshi can you be around in like 10 hours?
I think so. I put an alarm 22u30 my local time.
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On June 13 2024 19:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:35 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. AZ, Tfrel and Vivax will prefer to vote dmb over Mocsta I think. No I already said it was Mocsta and Scott. Dmb if one of those is wrong maybe.
Then somebody will have to look if Sandroba went full bus d1 or just voted scott and was afk.
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On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.
1) you cant say weirdly because you had sandroba as a townread yesterday. So you cant implicate that it was a weird read to incriminate Scott.
2) is it the post I quoted? Because this is on d2 after thread sentiment changed on scott. That also doesnt count. Because Sandroba had to do this to be able to vote Koshi or rayn or w.e
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Scott is back to tiptoptipperditop town after AZ gave fake reads to incriminate him.
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On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically
2 quotes from you. I could add more but it was obvious you tr the very small sandro filter. It is pretty surprising to me that you now say that there were "weird" read progressions from sandro. I dont remember you focussing on those yesterday.
But to incriminate scott...
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On June 13 2024 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:
It’s weird because it felt contrived and over explained. It pinged me at the time, which is why I remembered it.
Nothing fake about that.
The point is, why does Sandro have to be explain in depth like that to rule out a potential mislynch, he doesn’t need to do it to also vote someone else. Scott was not a viable lynch day two. Even I had dropped it. So it’s misleading to say that he must do call Scott town to do something else.
Mafia do not just hand out free town reads to townies, let alone put that effort into doing so.
So why did mafia do that? The middle paragraph there is a fair point.
It is fair. But he does it to gain towncred calling a townie town.
You think he wrote all of that trying to make a teammate even more townie? Nha. Doesnt read like that. It reads as TMI and making something pretty to show off how smart he is. That is why some liked him so much yesterday.
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AZ I dont think you are mafia. I am saying you cant use that argument because your play yesterday does not support it at all.
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On June 13 2024 21:29 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:25 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically 2 quotes from you. I could add more but it was obvious you tr the very small sandro filter. It is pretty surprising to me that you now say that there were "weird" read progressions from sandro. I dont remember you focussing on those yesterday. But to incriminate scott... Fuck you and diving just to find something that suits your argument . I’m not taking undue credit but I also, clearly was not convinced on Sandro either way. I wanted another day to see it play out and acknowledged many times he could be mafia.
It's not hard to find these quotes. There are many of them.
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On June 13 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:28 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:
It’s weird because it felt contrived and over explained. It pinged me at the time, which is why I remembered it.
Nothing fake about that.
The point is, why does Sandro have to be explain in depth like that to rule out a potential mislynch, he doesn’t need to do it to also vote someone else. Scott was not a viable lynch day two. Even I had dropped it. So it’s misleading to say that he must do call Scott town to do something else.
Mafia do not just hand out free town reads to townies, let alone put that effort into doing so.
So why did mafia do that? The middle paragraph there is a fair point. It is fair. But he does it to gain towncred calling a townie town. You think he wrote all of that trying to make a teammate even more townie? Nha. Doesnt read like that. It reads as TMI and making something pretty to show off how smart he is. That is why some liked him so much yesterday. This analysis sucks
I disagree
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On June 13 2024 21:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways just because mafia sandroba made a read X or Y, its not a reason to call anyone mafia. you guys are really smart
❤️
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On June 13 2024 21:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:43 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 21:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways just because mafia sandroba made a read X or Y, its not a reason to call anyone mafia. you guys are really smart ❤️ You are going to look really smart when Scott flips mafia and I was right on day one and then you hard defended mafia all day two.
Scot wouldnt do that to his Lork Koshi.
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On June 13 2024 22:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 21:43 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 21:35 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways just because mafia sandroba made a read X or Y, its not a reason to call anyone mafia. you guys are really smart ❤️ You are going to look really smart when Scott flips mafia and I was right on day one and then you hard defended mafia all day two. Scott wouldnt do that to his Lord Koshi.
Ebwop
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On June 12 2024 16:48 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 15:32 Koshi wrote:
I suggest we sing kumbaja together during the night. There was too much arguing during the day. Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah! Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah! Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah.
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On June 13 2024 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote:On June 13 2024 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone already almost fucked up the game by not voting sandroba who was too obvious to be mafia with sandroba. lol. Yeah weird. One of the few lynches I was pretty sure on. Voting pattern screamed mafia. Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote:
Yeah Mocsta mafia with dmb and Sandroba explains yesterday.
Way too antsy and fixed upon not voting sandroba or dmb. Is this really what you think?
Yes.
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On June 13 2024 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM
Yeah that is unlikely. So if Mocsta is mafia dmb isnt.
Damn.
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Would dmb buss so hard because Mocsta knew he risked a lot during sandroba lynch? When was this dmb post? Gtg home now.
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On June 14 2024 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote:
Would dmb buss so hard because Mocsta knew he risked a lot during sandroba lynch? When was this dmb post? Gtg home now. Her first post during D2.
Ooof
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I need to townread Mocsta if I want to vote dmb. But I dont want to Mocsta to be town because I want to be right about 2/3 on my first post. And then who can blame me for scumreading marv. Nobody!
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On June 14 2024 03:10 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 16:29 Koshi wrote:
@scott.
I have this feeling you hope to weaponise our friendship and launch an attack in AZ/Mocsta.
If this is not the case. I apologize ;D There's no hope. I wouldn't vote for Mocsta today unless there's a good case for it. If you don't see the light with AZ or disagree, that's fine. I'm slightly higher than a coinflip on Slam. That could be reasoned. I went over why I believe DMB is town, so like Mocsta, unless there's a good case for it.
I think az is a player with some pride on his own play. I felt some annoyance coming from him when I was mocking his play this game.
Would a mafia az be so annoyed at me for that? It felt real.
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I think the mafia team is Vivax/dmb tbh
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That is why I quoted that Tfrel post earlier but he was no help.
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On June 14 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:You mean to say I've been bussing for two days straight? Trust me bro I usually don't do favours but in that case I'd be willing to die first :p , theatrically at that
Well. Who isn't bussing?
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On June 14 2024 03:58 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote:
Yeah Mocsta mafia with dmb and Sandroba explains yesterday.
Way too antsy and fixed upon not voting sandroba or dmb. Hmmmm A reasonable theory... I'm going to come back and revisit this after I'm done with the thread. If it still makes sense I'll unvote.
No. rayn made a very good observation quoting that dmb post.
I don't think dmb busses them both like that.
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On June 14 2024 04:09 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:10 AlphaZero wrote:
And Rayn is being bad by just accepting that.
If I can admit I was bad with Sandro lynch. You guys should admit it when Scott flips mafia. And when I don't flip mafia, what's the next step?
He will admit he was bad with the scott lynch and find another thing we need to admit to.
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On June 14 2024 03:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 03:38 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2024 03:19 Koshi wrote:
I think the mafia team is Vivax/dmb tbh You mean to say I've been bussing for two days straight? Trust me bro I usually don't do favours but in that case I'd be willing to die first :p , theatrically at that Well. Who isn't bussing? Rhetorically ?
Hmm. No.
I just don't know who is left atm. Everybody must have bussed 1 person pretty loudly.
AZ and Slam?
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AZ and slam. But rayn is cockblocking me on Slam.
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On June 13 2024 21:29 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 21:25 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically 2 quotes from you. I could add more but it was obvious you tr the very small sandro filter. It is pretty surprising to me that you now say that there were "weird" read progressions from sandro. I dont remember you focussing on those yesterday. But to incriminate scott... Fuck you and diving just to find something that suits your argument . I’m not taking undue credit but I also, clearly was not convinced on Sandro either way. I wanted another day to see it play out and acknowledged many times he could be mafia.
Is this 'I am a good player" anger fake or not?
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On June 14 2024 04:15 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 04:14 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 03:57 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2024 03:38 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2024 03:19 Koshi wrote:
I think the mafia team is Vivax/dmb tbh You mean to say I've been bussing for two days straight? Trust me bro I usually don't do favours but in that case I'd be willing to die first :p , theatrically at that Well. Who isn't bussing? Rhetorically ? Hmm. No. I just don't know who is left atm. Everybody must have bussed 1 person pretty loudly. AZ and Slam? Now you are going to have to apologise for being bad.
Only if you spank me
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On June 14 2024 04:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 04:14 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 03:57 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2024 03:38 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 03:30 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2024 03:19 Koshi wrote:
I think the mafia team is Vivax/dmb tbh You mean to say I've been bussing for two days straight? Trust me bro I usually don't do favours but in that case I'd be willing to die first :p , theatrically at that Well. Who isn't bussing? Rhetorically ? Hmm. No. I just don't know who is left atm. Everybody must have bussed 1 person pretty loudly. AZ and Slam? I don‘t understand it from your wording. Who is everybody. In my opinion sandro bussed dmb. If not dmb then one of you or rayn is scum. I remember that sandro loved how I thought you were scum for fake outrage and that he thought you looked very bad. You don‘t need rayn‘s permission to scumread slam either so ugh
No. I meant. Your defense that you aren't mafia with dmb because bussing doesn't hold water because everybody somebody hard. Except maybe if the team is Sandroba/Slam/AZ
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On June 14 2024 04:23 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 04:14 Koshi wrote:
AZ and slam. But rayn is cockblocking me on Slam. Rayn has a fair point on slam though.
You think so? I don't like it that much.
I like my analysis on AZ town for being upset he is being mocked for being a baddie better than Slam being town for being mad.
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I think mafia is Slam and DMB now.
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Page count from dmb = 8
Page count from slam = 8
88 stands for Heil H*****
Vivax has been going off about Austrian politics all game.
Coincidence? I think not.
Kill Nazis, vote 88, vote DMB/Slam
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best case just dropped. Puts rayns sandroba case to shame.
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On June 14 2024 04:34 scott31337 wrote:
Is there a Mocsta/DMB world in your eyes Koshi?
Are you pretty sure it's dmb/Slam.
Slam is voting on me.
Did you see the dmb post rayn quoted? Would dmb do that? Attack both sandroba and mocsta?
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On June 14 2024 05:36 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 19:37 AlphaZero wrote:
This game is fairly straightforward from now on.
Mafia is in dmb/scott/mocsta with an outside chance of vivax.
Everyone else is much too likely to be town. Alpha disagrees with that though.
Not really. He has 4 names.
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On June 14 2024 05:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Koshi seems to me to be testing the water constantly before casting his vote
Liar liar pants on fire.
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On June 14 2024 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Can‘t blame anyone for falling to manipulation though so I‘ll edit a few posts out at the end of the game that were not game relevant. It wasn‘t their fault.
Huh? Not game relevant posts? I must have missed them.
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So rayn. I am off to bed.
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On June 14 2024 09:14 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2024 09:08 AlphaZero wrote:
im going to be thoroughly unpleasant to deal with in the post game if scott is mafia, what are you talking about? If scott is mafia, and i get pushed off his wagon day one and day 3, im going to complain.
The thing is. He isnt.
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On June 14 2024 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Mocsta (5): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
die_meatbaby (1): Koshi, Vivax
AlphaZero (1); Scott31337, Mocsta
Scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam
Not Voting: Trfel, Mocsta
With 5 votes, Mocsta is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Koshi first post in the game:
On June 09 2024 13:17 Koshi wrote:That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba.
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On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
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Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is
DMB/AZ
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On June 14 2024 15:54 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ But that drops you down to a measly 25% first post read accuracy That's like... the RNG rate. So much for bragging points I guess. [/b]
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Look guys. We need to kill the girl.
It's simple.
Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third.
I said it before.
Kill small fishes first.
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I am officially launching a nuke towards dmb.
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I wonder if rayn is using all his sandroba kred to save dmb today.
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On June 14 2024 16:09 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ Wrong. [/b]
DMB is correct though
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On June 14 2024 16:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:09 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore
Go ahead and vote me off
Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip
I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it
Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts
Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.
I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.
Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.
My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.
I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.
Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.
Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.
I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.
Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.
I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.
Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..
Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.
Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game
It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it
I will vote alpha for those who see the light
I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.
Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.
[B##vote: alphazero
The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.
Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is DMB/AZ Wrong. DMB is correct though [/b]
Oops I forgot
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On June 14 2024 16:16 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 16:01 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:53 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 15:51 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:41 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.
I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. That's fair and understandable. I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree? I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway. Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote. yeahi agree about voting early in the day -> you are talking about optionality.. and to me, AlphaZero goes about optionality slightly differently. i mean, i know people say they dont understand my read progressions. yet, this is completely different to AZ where people distill his sandroba read as town, even though he has posts to defend he thought sandroba was scummy the actions do not line up with the words & it is the actions that i believe led people like me (maybe rayn) to mentalise that az townread sandroba I'm sorry, could I ask for clarification about what you mean here? Is this supposed to be a reason to suspect AlphaZero? Is it because he says things about being suspicious about sandroba but also is defending sandroba? Because that wasn't my interpretation of what happened tbh. damn right its a reason to be suspicious of anyone whose words dont match behaviours. that applies in real-life and in this game we call mafia. we all saw in d1 how calculated alphazero can be with his approach to command[/b[ attention.
the expectations for words and behaviour *should* be higher for az than in comparison to for example slam
its inexcusable that a player who command attention can have multiple people misread his intentions in such a push-pull way.
Again, i stress this is not the same as me. with me, people do not understand how i connect A to Y (chose now to right Z for AZ lol)
And yeah, i tsbecause clearly i seem to skip every letter inbetween and go ta-da
I'm not accusing AlphaZero of that at all.
I am accusing him that the pathway from A to B to C is too clean, meticulous and curated
Thats not town play. I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh. Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no? Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this.
Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia?
I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up. I agree that this is possible.
Everything is possible. But can we lynch dmb today?
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On June 14 2024 16:17 Trfel wrote:
Dang it Koshi, you're just doing this to irritate me aren't you :/
##vote Koshi [b]
I wouldnt dare.
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On June 14 2024 16:18 AlphaZero wrote:
Koshi why do you think mocsta is town based on that Appeal to emotion.
Because he is actually not playing in a way that aligns with that post.
I find his latter posts to lack emotional congruence with the rage quit post.
I guess I don;t get why you find it compelling.
Also what is it with your reads changing like leaves in the wind?
you have literally implied almost the whole game could be mafia at this point, is this like a strat to quote yourself and show you were right when literally anyone flips mafia?
Yes.
I think dmb is mafia.
Anybody who is with me early on this is town.
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Damned.
RAYN I am sure dmb is mafia. Can we pls pls pls lynch her and I will lynch your target tomorrow.
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On June 14 2024 16:22 Trfel wrote:@Koshi: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 16:40 Koshi wrote:
Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
So we can lynch them first and then battle it out. This is just a random thing I thought of a while ago, but can you explain this? Let's imagine for a moment that you have transcended the bounds of possibility and were right on all these reads. How then, do you presume to lynch mafia!sandroba and mafia!Mocsta and go into a showdown with mafia!marvellosity, after you called out the entire mafia team three days previously, and not somehow get night killed along the way? Or is this whole thing just fake?
[/b]
Exavtly. I already said it once. If it is Mocsta why am I not dead yet. Then rayn just insulted everybod and their mothers iirc.
But it isnt Mocsta. It is sandroba dmb and a mystery man
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On June 14 2024 16:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:24 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 16:22 Trfel wrote:@Koshi: On June 09 2024 16:40 Koshi wrote:
Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
So we can lynch them first and then battle it out. This is just a random thing I thought of a while ago, but can you explain this? Let's imagine for a moment that you have transcended the bounds of possibility and were right on all these reads. How then, do you presume to lynch mafia!sandroba and mafia!Mocsta and go into a showdown with mafia!marvellosity, after you called out the entire mafia team three days previously, and not somehow get night killed along the way? Or is this whole thing just fake? Exavtly. I already said it once. If it is Mocsta why am I not dead yet. Then rayn just insulted everybod and their mothers iirc. But it isnt Mocsta. It is sandroba dmb and a mystery man Not my point though. I'm saying that I don't understand how you could have made these posts at this time. You're planning out a future that just isn't possible from a town perspective.
Hmmm? Sure is possible. I think 3 people are mafia, I think who is the easiest to kill first, then repeat 2 times.
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On June 14 2024 16:27 AlphaZero wrote:
build the DMB case properly then Koshi. If you are so convinced she is mafia then that is the best way to get others on board.
Just make a case that is undeniable.
Instead of just saying it.
No. I dont like that.
I suddenly have these shivers when I think about rayn.
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Did rayn do bluehunting in your mason? Did he try to see if you were blue AZ?
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On June 14 2024 16:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:28 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 16:27 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2024 16:24 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 16:22 Trfel wrote:@Koshi: On June 09 2024 16:40 Koshi wrote:
Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
So we can lynch them first and then battle it out. This is just a random thing I thought of a while ago, but can you explain this? Let's imagine for a moment that you have transcended the bounds of possibility and were right on all these reads. How then, do you presume to lynch mafia!sandroba and mafia!Mocsta and go into a showdown with mafia!marvellosity, after you called out the entire mafia team three days previously, and not somehow get night killed along the way? Or is this whole thing just fake? Exavtly. I already said it once. If it is Mocsta why am I not dead yet. Then rayn just insulted everybod and their mothers iirc. But it isnt Mocsta. It is sandroba dmb and a mystery man Not my point though. I'm saying that I don't understand how you could have made these posts at this time. You're planning out a future that just isn't possible from a town perspective. Hmmm? Sure is possible. I think 3 people are mafia, I think who is the easiest to kill first, then repeat 2 times. Sure, if you conveniently ignore the fact that mafia would just night kill you. It makes me wonder if you are mafia and you came up with the people you wanted to push and then this was natural from your mindset, since mafia don't really have to worry about getting shot? You can't seriously tell me you are town and expected to lynch three mafia in a row without getting shot first?
Yes. I am shot often before I can lynch 3 mafia. But a boy is allowed to dream, isnt he.
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On June 14 2024 16:32 AlphaZero wrote:
But he would probably know it was too dangerous to do that.
He did it a bit with Slam.
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On June 14 2024 16:33 AlphaZero wrote:
What happened to the DMB push?
I ask you to make a case if you want me to consider her properly and then you call rayn mafia.
Literally half a page after calling for rayn to understand your DMB push.
No DMB needs to die.
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After DMB I wonder if it is rayn.
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On June 14 2024 16:33 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 16:32 AlphaZero wrote:
But he would probably know it was too dangerous to do that. He did it a bit with Slam. That wasn;t blue hunting. He wanted him to claim outright. You think that is alignment indicative?
Well. If he tried it with you as well it would be. Once. Meh. Even though slam was not in danger so I dont understand why he wanted him to claim.
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On June 14 2024 16:34 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 16:33 AlphaZero wrote:
What happened to the DMB push?
I ask you to make a case if you want me to consider her properly and then you call rayn mafia.
Literally half a page after calling for rayn to understand your DMB push. No DMB needs to die. You should probably post something more compelling that whatever it is you are doing then.
She is a sneaky sneak that did sneaky things.
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Also still on 8 pages so still a nazi.
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On June 14 2024 17:12 AlphaZero wrote:
on the first note: You know what trfel, I may be bad here, but I actually feel her read progressions are natural.
on the second note: It makes sense to me that her first thought is that mocsta is red, presumably because she is thinking that he should be dead if he is town and blue.
third note: I don't think that is alignment indicative.
Fourth note: Meh. I haven't really found town DMB to be that quick to shift perspective.
Honestly, my thoughts are that this case is not really that convincing, but I tend to town read DMB when I am town, even when she is mafia.
wow you are going for another day of admitting you were wrong.
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On June 14 2024 17:32 Trfel wrote:
I do think die_meatbaby is a little more likely mafia than scott31337 but I'm not very confident in that difference.
But I think lynching die_meatbaby has more support than lynching scott31337?
DMB is mafia. I am sure.
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On June 14 2024 17:47 Trfel wrote:
Sorry I forgot you wanted a town case on Mocsta.
Not really my thing. But here goes:
1. Easy to work with/talk to
Mocsta has been one of the easiest players to work with this game. He's very clear about where his thoughts are coming from, is willing to consider different angles, and readily gives feedback on other peoples' ideas.
2. Lots of independent analysis
Mocsta has done plenty of analysis here. Say what you want about the quality, but to me it shows that he is working to figure things out. I think he's made about as many analysis posts as anyone else.
3. Original thoughts
Mocsta often comes up with original thoughts that haven't been said by anyone else. This seems much more likely to come from someone who is thinking critically and trying to work things out.
I'm trying to understand why you two are so suspicious of each other. It felt like we were working together and seeing it so similarly day 2, and while we were wrong that day, that's not just something I throw away easily. See me working with Mocsta on his reasons for scumreading you, for example.
Maybe you're right on Mocsta. But if you are not, here is my guess as to why:
I think your expectations of Mocsta may be too high. He produces a lot of content and the scum hunting drive is clearly there. That said, I don't think his logic is on the same level as (for example) raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Holyflare, people like that. Mocsta has his own, unique way of thinking about things, and while I think that's an asset, I think it may be throwing you off. I think you may be setting your expectations for Mocsta based on the amount of analysis he posts and the types of things he looks into, but then you hold him to a similar standard of logic and reasoning and that's just not the way he thinks and the result is that he seems scummy.
Could be wrong but that's my two cents.
You are right. Point 3 is what you need to remember tomorrow. Mocsta did well.
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rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok.
Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them.
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On June 14 2024 18:33 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote:
rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok.
Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence. I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game.
Not hard defending 2 mafia would be a start.
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On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!!
I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist.
That being said.
I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me.
You are still mafia.
I will skim again later. Eating now.
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On June 14 2024 20:40 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 20:37 Mocsta wrote:
I'm here next 15mim
I need to filter dive to come.up.with a question
For now.. who is partnered with az? I have hard times to read rayn and slam. Do you think its possible thats one of them?
It is both of them. Or you and mystery man x.
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On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town
I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam.
Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so..
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Also this invisible thing is pretty unbelievable to me. You got plenty attention with all your theories in the past. I remember that.
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On June 14 2024 20:55 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 20:53 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam. Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so.. then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case???
I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true.
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On June 14 2024 20:57 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 20:55 Koshi wrote:
Also this invisible thing is pretty unbelievable to me. You got plenty attention with all your theories in the past. I remember that. not in this game. I make a fucking case on mafia and I was correct with as we know at least one of my scumreads. nobody made a comment on my case. then I think it was rayn who made a small sandroba case and then bummm people voting sandroba...
Lies
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On June 14 2024 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 20:57 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:53 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam. Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so.. then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case??? I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you
That case isn't good. It even has a way out for you to not vote sandroba.
And when did you vote sandroba? 4th? When the votes piled on you?
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On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Currently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible.
Feels good.
And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post.
This game is hard because everyone looks trash.
2 townies and a distancing mafia.
Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia.
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On June 14 2024 21:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:05 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:57 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:53 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 20:40 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where are you guys talk to me!!!! I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist. That being said. I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me. You are still mafia. I will skim again later. Eating now. Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam. Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so.. then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case??? I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true. On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote:rsoultin/koshiEither rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. ScottOn June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. TrflOn June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandrobahttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandrobathis is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think VivaxI think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you That case isn't good. It even has a way out for you to not vote sandroba. And when did you vote sandroba? 4th? When the votes piled on you? Oh fuck off. I posted that nobody wanted to make conversation with me. so i go off and got to work. I come back bummm sandrowagon is on the lynch. Niceee so I voted sandroba.
People gave rayn shit for his case. Sobthat wasnt the reason.
I voted sandroba for a low filter and scott followed.
That's all that was to it.
You didnt vote sandroba first even though you had a case on him. If you would have voted sandroba first, maybe you could leverage that now.
But that piss poor case and tinfoil caps shit on the bottom is not good enough to leverage into townkred. Sry.
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On June 14 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Currently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible.
Feels good.
And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post.
This game is hard because everyone looks trash.
2 townies and a distancing mafia. Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia. I’m not mafia. Zzzzz
Strat looking at rayn then.
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@dmb
I glossed over your posts again.
Literally nothing in there that shows any sign that you convinced yourself about something in the last 100+ hours playing this game.
So sending in second nuke.
You are mafia.
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On June 14 2024 21:12 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Currently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible.
Feels good.
And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post.
This game is hard because everyone looks trash.
2 townies and a distancing mafia. Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia. I’m not mafia. Zzzzz Strat looking at rayn then. Why not you? I still have fucking Scott as mafia. And if you are town then o think you are dead wrong.
I will be rip tomorrow.
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On June 14 2024 21:17 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:14 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Currently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible.
Feels good.
And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post.
This game is hard because everyone looks trash.
2 townies and a distancing mafia. Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia. I’m not mafia. Zzzzz Strat looking at rayn then. Why not you? I still have fucking Scott as mafia. And if you are town then o think you are dead wrong. I will be rip tomorrow. No you won’t. Cause I’m town and I’m turning you on apparently.
Would be the greatest thing you did this game.
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On June 14 2024 21:14 Koshi wrote:
@dmb
I glossed over your posts again.
Literally nothing in there that shows any sign that you convinced yourself about something in the last 100+ hours playing this game.
So sending in second nuke.
You are mafia.
DMB feel free to proof me wrong.
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On June 14 2024 21:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:14 Koshi wrote:
@dmb
I glossed over your posts again.
Literally nothing in there that shows any sign that you convinced yourself about something in the last 100+ hours playing this game.
So sending in second nuke.
You are mafia. if you all hadn't ignored the very first real case about sandro (from me) then you would know that i am town and was correct with at least one read. maybe I was wrong with mocstar. We still don´t know but if so it´s okey because I know at least I made one right thing and nobody was intersted in it
Again about this case? I just looked at it. It's horrible.
Show me something you wrote only town!dmb could have deducted from reading this thread.
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Going to the dentist.
After that I am going to read dmb/rayn interactions in both filters.
And maybe sandroba.
Pls remind me.
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On June 14 2024 22:08 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:21 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 14 2024 21:14 Koshi wrote:
@dmb
I glossed over your posts again.
Literally nothing in there that shows any sign that you convinced yourself about something in the last 100+ hours playing this game.
So sending in second nuke.
You are mafia. if you all hadn't ignored the very first real case about sandro (from me) then you would know that i am town and was correct with at least one read. maybe I was wrong with mocstar. We still don´t know but if so it´s okey because I know at least I made one right thing and nobody was intersted in it Again about this case? I just looked at it. It's horrible. Show me something you wrote only town!dmb could have deducted from reading this thread. Or maybe you missing the fuck counter from Palmar, because I tried to not insult somebody for once
Nope. It your messyness trying to solve the game I am missing.
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On June 14 2024 22:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:26 AlphaZero wrote:
Koshi could be mafia because he is kind of subtly trying to pit me and Rayn against each other here.
Usually this guy likes to fork town circles.
Unless I’m completely pocketed I think Rayn town. So he is kind of undermining collaboration here.
He’s also kind of doing it on a broader level with changing reads all the time.
Just noting for later. I was expecting koshi to be shot I'm really surprised by the oats kill,.no disrespect to oats there either. Note, I see reasons koshi could do that as town as well. Especially if he foresees a mafia!Rayn or az lunch being extremely difficult to achieve. I'm somewhat warming up to you associatively 1. Trfel stuff today 2. Your change on me is plausible 3. Associatively i'm imagining a world where mafia!dmb is comfortable dropping 'heat' on town!az because you are a Smurf I can drop this in pursuit of #3 Dmb is playing too scummy to be scum and has to be lynched - filter reads disengaged throughout - filter is conclusions, no method to reach conclusion - filter is confident on all things flipped.kelsier and sandroba and I suspect Scott I just feel bad Cos it was literally a pile on 1 hr a go. I hope she's willing to play again I really.do ##unvote
##vote: dmb
Mocsta!!!!!!!!! Nice.
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On June 14 2024 23:37 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote:
rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok.
Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. Koshi had an epiphany A'ight. I saw Mocsta unvote for AZ (I haven't gotten that far in the thread to see why) but I'm sad about it and will figure out why here when I get there.
During the 90 minutes being drilled at the dentist I had an ephinany on why az was potentialbtown but I forgot it.
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On June 14 2024 23:52 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 21:14 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote:
Currently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible.
Feels good.
And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post.
This game is hard because everyone looks trash.
2 townies and a distancing mafia. Bit the same as Sandroba voting dmb after calling me 100% mafia. I’m not mafia. Zzzzz Strat looking at rayn then. Why not you? I still have fucking Scott as mafia. And if you are town then o think you are dead wrong. I will be rip tomorrow. See if you really think this Koshi we should get AZ today
You guys will have to catch the big fish.
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On June 15 2024 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi are you sure DMB is mafia?
I will vote with you if you are sure.
Yes. If you promise Slam is town.
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On June 15 2024 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2024 19:27 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2024 18:33 AlphaZero wrote:On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote:
rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok.
Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence. I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game. Not hard defending 2 mafia would be a start. We haven't flipped 2 mafia yet
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I dont see the point of dragging info out of dmb. The longer this goes on, the more mafia she gets. Peetty sure we are on 138% now
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On June 15 2024 02:51 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 02:39 Koshi wrote:
I dont see the point of dragging info out of dmb. The longer this goes on, the more mafia she gets. Peetty sure we are on 138% now I don't see it but what do I ever see?
If this was town!dmb, she would be forcing a multiple wild and potentially 1 correct solution to this game upon us. But playing as mafia is hard. So here we are.
I am surprised your eyes are blind to this.
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I truly wonder if Mafia!Vivax is just trolling dmb at this point. Literally doing everything that dmb said would make Vivax mafia.
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Or maybe he does that as town?
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It is criminal he isnt voting dmb though.
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On June 15 2024 03:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 02:59 Koshi wrote:
I truly wonder if Mafia!Vivax is just trolling dmb at this point. Literally doing everything that dmb said would make Vivax mafia. What are you talking about. I’m trolling dmb when I have her and az as mafia ? I wanna go home.
No. You remember one of the first posts she made. It said that if you talk politics you are mafia.
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On June 15 2024 03:12 Vivax wrote:
Lynch az and bathe in red.
Then we revisit dmb and joshu
dmb first.
You can do shark fishing tomorrow.
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On June 15 2024 03:09 Vivax wrote:I did yesterday. No prospect of cred when I don’t wanna lynch her today. Must be dumbest mafia ever
Also I dont understand this. Yesterday she was more mafia than sandroba and you were mocking the people on Sandroba. And today you are voting az and you are mocking the people on dmb?
Tomorrow it will be though pickings between you and az. Who defended mafia the bestest.
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I put all my trust in Mocstar tomorrow.
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Is dmb the roleblocker Vivax?
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2-0
Die Deutsche Mannschaft ist stark
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DMB why are you not even pretending to want to solve this game before your lynch?
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It was a fun game. I read saw the vote thread and it seems most of you are responsible for this.
I tried but you guys have this urge to be bad that you need to scratch.
Now the roleblocker stays alive and I am dead. I applaud her partner. He must have done a good job yesterday.
Maybe tomorrow you will lynch dmb or slam.
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On June 15 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2024 10:13 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 10:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2024 10:03 Trfel wrote:On June 15 2024 10:01 scott31337 wrote:On June 15 2024 09:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Does anyone know why town Scott refuses to reevaluate his reads? What's there to re-evaluate on you? Dude, are you serious? AlphaZero's playstyle itself has completely changed from day 1 to day 2-3. His reads have been changing as well. His pushes have been changing. Maybe to you, there's nothing to re-evaluate, because your only reason he is mafia is that he thinks you are mafia. Convincing. And he keeps voting for townies (In my opinion). So there's that too. That hasn't change today. To be fair you asked why you should re evaluate. I gave you reasons. Another reason why you shouldn't doesn't invalidate the reasons I gave. But whatever, you clearly made up your mind long ago. AZ isn't going to be lynched today - that ship has sailed. So let's try to find the other mafia, okay? I don't think it's Vivax though.
Mocsta. Because you tried this day and are one of the few townies that isn't full blown retarded.
Trust me that dmb is roleblocker or mafia is rayn/slam.
Do your analysis correctly knowing that. I cba to read yesterday because I am too disappointed in you fucking moronic idiots undoing everything I worked for. But that being said, the mafia really wanted ti get the lynch off the rber.
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I qulted that post because it looks like Scott was looking for the correct lynch and not going off dmb to get off dmb.
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Mocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day.
Lynch who ever you want.
Dont pretend you actually want my input.
Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle.
I am out.
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I hope you win rayn. Just shoot me.
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On June 16 2024 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For this one it matters. I dont give a fuck if trfel, mocsta, scott, dmb thinks i am mafia. For you, i feel sad. So, why?
Because I was so clear. I hate to see you look at any 2 mafia outside dmb.
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1 name + dmb.
Dont even bother saying 2 names. The jubjubs cant handle that.
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DMB is mafia is even too hard flr them to understand.
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Like... I said a million times to look into slam and dmb. And go fishing after that. But they insist on being shitters and dont respect anybody or anything except their own dilusions.
Asking them things is useless. Guiding them 1 cm from the promised land is useless.
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Interacting with them is useless.
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I really dont understand how dmb got away. 5 votes.
Didnt bother to defend herself.
And then the jubjubs got control and did their jubjub magic.
Really unbelievable
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Retarded fake cases d2 to waste 24hours.
Fighting them tooth to nail to get Sandroba lynched while they insult us, vote us, even vote dmb.
Entire d3 I sit on dmb. Try to get the morons on dmb. It works. Dmb does nothing.
And voila. Vivax lynched.
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On June 16 2024 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi,
Mocsta and scott are mafia.
Ok. Just shoot me.
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On June 16 2024 02:34 Koshi wrote:
Interacting with them is useless.
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On June 16 2024 02:03 Koshi wrote:
I hope you win rayn. Just shoot me.
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D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups.
And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work.
And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard.
And now you will be eaten by the shark.
N0mn0mn0m
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On June 16 2024 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote:
D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups.
And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work.
And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard.
And now you will be eaten by the shark.
N0mn0mn0m Dmb and what?
An hungry shark.
N0mn0mn0m
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Its dmb and an hungry shark.
Or slam and an hungry dishonest shark.
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But results stays the same
N0mn0mn0mn0m
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On June 16 2024 11:05 Mocsta wrote:
im still processing koshi is around tbf
scott i won't auto-vote you
really want koshi to claim rn
Check 1 Slam
Check 2 dmb
Result slam and dmb are different
Check 3 az
No result
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How obvious I had to make it. And still you people did not lynch into a fucking redcheck.
I even said she was roleblocker to hint she was red and not godfather.
Bit you fuckers are so fucking dense.
I apologize to all other cops in previous games I thought were stupid to claim d2 with 1 check. Because towns are stupid as fuck and cant be managed into tje right direction unless you have 48 hours of free time.
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I havent read anything since I went to bed before lynch. I have no intention to do so.
I am rooting for the shark.
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In some weird way to gloat mafia rayn contacted masoned me.
Do with this information as you please.
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On June 17 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2024 07:09 AlphaZero wrote:On June 17 2024 07:09 AlphaZero wrote:On June 17 2024 06:59 Koshi wrote:
In some weird way to gloat mafia rayn contacted masoned me.
Do with this information as you please. Im inclined to think you might about that having read through DMB's filter Might be right. as in dmb/rayn? Not sure if slam will vote Rayn though? Does this means you would drop Scott read? Like I'm.wondeeinf if best move is yolo and vote Rayn today?
Why would you not kill the rber?
Maybe then this medic of ours can do something.
As I assume I was "saved" by him this night.
And if we have a jk he can do an offensive rb.
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rayn tried to bluehunt slam.
rayn did something weird towards me last night. Was taunting me or something.
And this tfrel kill screams botched bluekill.
I truly don't understand how even rayn missed I was parity cop but I guess if he missed it as town he could miss it as mafia.
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Literally asked him 3+ times to vote either slam or dmb. Begged him to vote dmb after he hard townread slam. Even during the night I told him to look into dmb/slam while he was wailing about az and scott or w.e the fuck he was wailing about.
He is mafia or betrayed me as cruelly as possible as town.
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I cannot read EoD without holding a massive grudge against some people for 20 years. So I wont.
I am too upset.
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On June 18 2024 00:32 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2024 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That settled it.
##unvote
##vote Mocsta
Slam, scott (if youre town), follow to win with style. DMB can't even vote elsewhere =) Tomorrow.
Smart man
##Vote DMB
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On June 18 2024 00:50 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2024 00:46 Koshi wrote:On June 18 2024 00:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 17 2024 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That settled it.
##unvote
##vote Mocsta
Slam, scott (if youre town), follow to win with style. DMB can't even vote elsewhere =) Tomorrow. Smart man ##Vote DMB I give it my best sir
Keep this town in check for the "she will get modkillled shennanies" talk comes in.
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Well played in the end rayn. That would have most likely convinced me that you werent the hungry shark.
Well played town except the 2 Vivax excursions.
Well played me.
Thank you for hosting Grack!!!
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