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On June 09 2024 15:03 Koshi wrote:
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia. Those are two different topics though, right?
To me it looks like marvellosity didn't call Mocsta mafia over their initial discussion but then agreed with AlphaZero's characterization later. I guess I am not sure what you are getting at tbh?
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On June 09 2024 15:10 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 15:03 Koshi wrote:
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia. Those are two different topics though, right? To me it looks like marvellosity didn't call Mocsta mafia over their initial discussion but then agreed with AlphaZero's characterization later. I guess I am not sure what you are getting at tbh?
My point is that marv let Mocsta be, while he agrees with AZ couple posts later that Mocsta is likely mafia.
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Ok. Let's make a deal. I will read marv filter. If he mentions Mocsta as a good lynch candidate without someone pushing him to say something we will not lynch him till d4.
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But it's father days and I am going to get a hot coffee en presents. So away for a while.
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Looked at a bit of marvellosity's last mafia game (August 2023 or so). He managed 13 pages across 5 days, and his posting felt quite flat compared to here. Less worried.
@Koshi, tbh I don't find that particularly compelling, but feel free to do your thing.
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Scotteleet and marvelous are mafia I think
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I must sleep.
I was gonna be sponsored tk get to Poland and then go to Finland from there I was like fi ally
Then my support backed out
So I am still going to Poland but not anywhere else
So I am blindsided and very bummed
If I am scum this is a great cover, as town it is shameful as ehll
So
I conclude
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On June 08 2024 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
Just for fun, each group in no particular order:
Rayn
Trfel
Oats
Kelsier
sand
Alpha
Rsoultin
Vivax
Mocsta
Scott
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^the line of no clue
Slam
DMB
Funny how sand wasnt able to convince you he is town so you decided to do it yourself before making this list post.
On June 08 2024 00:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Although I’m quite okay with the Scott stuff you posted. And you ended on the same conclusion as me with Trfel, just didn’t understand why you posted what you did about him at that stage without reading further. But I guess that’s just accusing you of not being me.
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On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all. On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait? Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him. Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later. I can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made.
Tfrel. At some point you were on the right track.
If you need guidance back to the right path.
marv got overly defensive and explainy after rayn called him out on his terrible rsoultin read.
Marv typed something
rayn said "marv this is shit"
marv typed things that didnt convince me why he typed his initial something.
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Ok. That was unreadable. Retry:
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1) Marv typed something
2) rayn said "marv this is terrible"
3) marv typed a lpt of things that didnt convince me why he typed his initial something.
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On June 08 2024 21:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:00 Mocsta wrote:last post before date night.. life with kids gotta priortise! rsoultin must understand surely! On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments i have accepted your interpretation, although disagree in particular about a closed mind. i reckon you are confirmation biased here, i mean, yes i have been firm on you up to past couple pages, yet, at least in my mind have been open about discussing points. disagreeing about a conclusion is not the same as close minded because without anything new introduced, why would the outcome change? - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. i can understand my push on you is unusual. im pretty sure i would find it weird too. i'm very certain my pushes on you are all in response to people, again, i think thats significant. we made 'peace' yesterday and i wasn't intentionally trying to break it. im very certain oats was pushing for my az reasoning so i said fuck it - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. wont know until flips mate. although yes, im not an analytical player at the best of times so im ok with you stating this. doesnt make me mafia though unless its being used to push mafia agenda,, now this, i dont see you substantiate and again you would need flips to support. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. i suppose one thing i  ON'T like here in option 1 is.. you dont call me mafia.. you say im pushing mafia agenda ironicaly i didnt realise this when i wrote about mafia agenda above btw.. i still think the purpose of this post aligns with town piecing together puzzles so its not a negative for me. i think it more points out subconsciously you know option 2 is true, and just dont want to admit it outloud.. its ok mate. i went through the same with you  I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. for the record im equally active as mafia and town. i have *never* been called up for 'moc-logic' as mafia, again, i cant expect you to acknowledge or recognise that.. i guess the only thing i can ask here is.. what is my tone saying across these posts to you and marv. internally i feel mentally the same responding start of day and now, so hopefully you see that too Thanks Mocsta. This is a fair post. Smart if you’re mafia to make the subconscious point about option 2, but it has given me pause.
On June 08 2024 21:06 marvellosity wrote:
I guess I maybe don’t want to lynch Mocsta today, it probably helps me that I’m happy on scott atm.
More from viv/sand/DMB/kelsier now please.
Remember this after Mocsta and Sandroba flipped.
They switched places after Mocsta posted something marv didnt even like that much.
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Yeah we lynch sandroba->Mocsta (->Koshi) -> marv
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Ok that's enough for today.
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On June 09 2024 15:03 Koshi wrote:
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia.
This is a pretty disingenuous read of my filter, Koshi
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On June 09 2024 16:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 15:03 Koshi wrote:
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia. This is a pretty disingenuous read of my filter, Koshi
The actual read is I find/found Mocsta suspicious for a few reasons, but for certain other reasons (Trfel, and Mocsta himself) i rowed back on that a little. If you don’t think I’m curious about his alignment then that’s weird from you.
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On June 09 2024 15:16 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Let's make a deal. I will read marv filter. If he mentions Mocsta as a good lynch candidate without someone pushing him to say something we will not lynch him till d4.
Oh good. That means you will leave me alone and I can see if I want to lynch you instead.
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I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.
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On June 09 2024 16:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
Just for fun, each group in no particular order:
Rayn
Trfel
Oats
Kelsier
sand
Alpha
Rsoultin
Vivax
Mocsta
Scott
————
^the line of no clue
Slam
DMB Funny how sand wasnt able to convince you he is town so you decided to do it yourself before making this list post. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Although I’m quite okay with the Scott stuff you posted. And you ended on the same conclusion as me with Trfel, just didn’t understand why you posted what you did about him at that stage without reading further. But I guess that’s just accusing you of not being me.
What are you talking about?
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So we can lynch them first and then battle it out.
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On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.
I don’t think you believe this…
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