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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 05:37 GMT
#1421
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.
Haha, the person playing changes but nothing really changes
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 09 2024 05:38 GMT
#1422
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:39 GMT
#1423
Read 2 pages of AZ filter and looks like he will get shot so no need to read further.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:42 GMT
#1424
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
June 09 2024 05:43 GMT
#1425
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.


At least he’d have died for something.

Imagine someone’s last words being fuck this piece of shit greedy and human research rights violating chauvinist country of stupid wannabe corrupt narcos country.

That must’ve been something.
Or maybe it’s just failed Europe
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 05:43 GMT
#1426
On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:45 GMT
#1427
because I townread rayn, and rayn townreads slam, I will not try to read slam and just assume he is town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:45 GMT
#1428
On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.

Jeez I replaced the only smart person.
I had a good night of sleep.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 05:46 GMT
#1429
On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.

Jeez I replaced the only smart person.
You two working together would have been too unstoppable I guess
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:49 GMT
#1430
Vivax, you should accept that we live in a simulation. Most of us are vessals for beings that need to learn the emotions that we feel. Just accept that and let them learn while you enjoy yor life.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 05:51 GMT
#1431
On June 09 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.

Jeez I replaced the only smart person.
You two working together would have been too unstoppable I guess

Want to talk Mocsta? Does it feel he is a townie being lost at times and just making noise? Or what do you think?
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
June 09 2024 05:56 GMT
#1432
On June 09 2024 14:49 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, you should accept that we live in a simulation. Most of us are vessals for beings that need to learn the emotions that we feel. Just accept that and let them learn while you enjoy yor life.


Soothe my rage then because it is proprtion to its growth.

Which means it isn’t working as intended
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 05:57 GMT
#1433
On June 09 2024 14:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:45 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:42 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote:
Ok. We can kill sandroba first.
Good stuff.
That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta.



When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead.

❤
How much talk was there to not lynch you or Kelsier yesterday? Who wanted to go outside you 2?
Rsoultin wanted to lynch sandroba, a few people talked about wanting to lynch AlphaZero or raynpelikoneet but nothing else gained much traction.

Jeez I replaced the only smart person.
You two working together would have been too unstoppable I guess

Want to talk Mocsta? Does it feel he is a townie being lost at times and just making noise? Or what do you think?
Uh....

Like I said, I have been having a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at probably at least a quarter of the time. Which is kind of a lot. Even when I don't agree with what he is saying, I think the angles he is taking makes him look towny, which makes me inclined to let him do his thing instead of pestering him constantly to explain what he is saying?

I just skimmed through his filter and don't really have a reason to suspect him tbh, Actually, I guess he was the person with the mini-case on AlphaZero, and then he ended up voting alongside AlphaZero on scott31337 right? It's possible that Mocsta's read on AlphaZero changed, he seems to say this happened at some points, but at a skim I can't actually find this happening though it's more likely I'm just not seeing it.

Lot of words to say I think Mocsta is more likely town? Mostly because idk what makes him mafia. But if you have reasons for him to be mafia, please go ahead.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
June 09 2024 06:00 GMT
#1434
On June 09 2024 14:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 14:49 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, you should accept that we live in a simulation. Most of us are vessals for beings that need to learn the emotions that we feel. Just accept that and let them learn while you enjoy yor life.


Soothe my rage then because it is proprtion to its growth.

Which means it isn’t working as intended


At least if I lived in Nk, they’d let you know it‘s Nk.
When you‘re in shit ass redneck Austria, you‘ll have to figure it out
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 06:00 GMT
#1435
On June 08 2024 18:39 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 17:43 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta?
Not you.
Have read your filter and like how you picked yourself up from all the mason/neighbour discussion in particular examining multiple players which from your situation I assume.tonbe more town likely than mafia.

I'm slightly concerned kelsi3r could be a bad townie vote > mafia.. just because the way the wagon is building is a bit odd.. limited buy in (even though majority so far) and also no resistance.. it's possible wagons will take off in final two hours so meh??

So it’s taken me way too long to find this, it’s precisely because I had read this I asked you who you wanted to lynch Mocsta.

Your stance on your lynch target seems to be ‘he was very unhelpful’ and as above ‘could just be a bad townie vote’

It’s hardly strong stuff
didn't realize I was known for strong stuff

My perception of kelsi3r is mostly unchanged even with all players now posting.
My consideration is exactly as drafted. The build smells to me like mafia are happy with this course of action.

Maybe you don't play with those factors?? It is something I give a weighting towards

I mean I get it's a shit defense mafia can easily throw out. But dude my mafia game is not about being 180 out of sync with dominant players. I don't really know what else I can tell you?

Mafia practically begging mafia partner to stop the interaction.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 06:01 GMT
#1436
On June 08 2024 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 19:16 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 19:05 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 18:33 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 18:30 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter
awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in
woe is me

i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise

scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for..
i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS)

the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged.

will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba

people i am not open to lynching today are:
oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv..

i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that.

Which alignment wants to fit in, also

all can. It's a personality driven thing my dude

Come now.

You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia.

That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true.

As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait.

you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as well

same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there

i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego

If you have a big ego then you shouldn’t feel the need to fit in - makes literally no sense mate

Does palmar, me, hf try to fit in?
different type of dominance trait. regardless. i dont think this helps solve the game

if you are genuinely curious can talk about it more post game.

Well, it does for me if it helps me draw conclusions about your alignment…

But yes, I have nothing further to say about it now

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 06:02 GMT
#1437
On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions

- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments

- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.

- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.

the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.

- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda

-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.

I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.

It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.

I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.


I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 06:02 GMT
#1438
On June 08 2024 19:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions

- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments

- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.

- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.

the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.

- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda

-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.

I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.

It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.

I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.


I think this is a nigh on perfect summary. Well done

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 06:03 GMT
#1439
So marv:
1) does not call mocsta mafia in that echange and let's him go.
2) agrees with AZ mocsta is likely mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 06:04 GMT
#1440
Idk I think I've walked myself into solving the game by POE but either POE Is terrible or I'm just awful at it (probably more the latter, though honestly I do kinda think POE is an inferior method, but whatever). I just never do anything good with POE.

Which means it's probably time to start from scratch. Ignoring reasons that might make people town, because that leads to POE, only looking at why people could be mafia.

Oatsmaster: feels like he's intentionally trying to annoy people and disrupt the game
rsoultin/Koshi: no real reason?
scott31337: Just read AlphaZero's filter I guess?
die_meatbaby: twice, die_meatbaby said that she didn't want to lynch scott31337 at this time but left the door wide open for lynching scott31337 in the future
Alakaslam: no real reason, but unlike the rsoultin/Koshi slot, this is a no real reason but kinda want to lynch (or at least push)
raynpelikoneet: no serious scumreads
sandroba: low activity/involvement, very uninspired
marvellosity: there may be something in his tension over the deadline? He seems so so unhappy with the state of the game, but also didn't really do much about it. Granted, with a ton of people not being present and with him being drunk there may not have been much to do about it, but I'm trying to come up with reasons that make people mafia, regardless of how valid they are (for now)? That said, this reason is particularly poor, there isn't a ton of need for mafia to be so unhappy with the lynch sitting solidly on a townie.. but moreso, why would mafia!marvellosity be so unhappy about town!Kelsier being lynched but also not actually do anything about it? Feels like such a stretch.
Mocsta: no real reason? Maybe that Mocsta suspected AlphaZero and then later voted scott31337 with AlphaZero, but it looks like Mocsta's read on AlphaZero changed in the meantime even though I can't find the post(s) indicating this while skimming.
Vivax: Voted for scott31337, seemingly thought scott31337 was mafia, but then posts this and this? If he didn't think scott31337 was mafia, why would he vote for him? If he did think scott31337 is mafia, why would he change his mind because Kelsi3r flipped town?
AlphaZero: really really stubborn on scott31337?

I actually think sandroba comes out looking the worst. Vivax, Alakaslam, and die_meatbaby are possible as well.
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