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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2024 17:58 GMT
#3992
On June 14 2024 02:55 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 02:54 Trfel wrote:
On June 14 2024 02:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2024 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mafia pls kill trfel I don’t wanna die


Maybe Trfel is mafia for that night kill.
Just so he could have something to laugh about.
I mean, if I was mafia I probably wouldn't have listened to Oatsmaster's plea here.

Probably.


Idk it would be an evil mastermind move.
Are you into that ?
I did shoot myself once before as mafia.

But it was an in-person game where I was highly townread and doctor saves are notified, I thought it would be an awesome play. Unfortunately I was unaware that we'd forced a mislynch on the doctor the day before, so it didn't work out, but it would have been great
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2024 19:41 GMT
#4042
I can't pinpoint exactly why but I am not very impressed by scott31337's posts this past hour or so.

After last night I was expecting..... something different?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2024 19:48 GMT
#4047
On June 14 2024 04:46 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 14 2024 04:41 Trfel wrote:
I can't pinpoint exactly why but I am not very impressed by scott31337's posts this past hour or so.

After last night I was expecting..... something different?


Do I need to re-read from last night when I was tipsy?

Not a whole lot stood out when I started from where my subscribed thread meter was at.

Idk... You can't just post as egregiously as you did and then come back to business as usual, surely?

It feels belligerent, flaunting even. "Look what I can get away with!"

It makes me not want to let you get away with it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2024 23:16 GMT
#4089
I'm here until I fall asleep again I guess?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 01:27 GMT
#4234
Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 01:38 GMT
#4237
On June 14 2024 10:34 Alakaslam wrote:
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On June 14 2024 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?

I mean he has a lot more reason than I did, in the context of the game. Shit is getting tough globally too it seems but honestly things are not going well for Moc as either alignment here
I guess I'm confused. Admittedly I haven't been super focused, but there's still over 24 hours to go?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 02:09 GMT
#4249
I'm sorry Mocsta, for what it's worth I've enjoyed playing with you
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 04:09 GMT
#4274
Hey Vivax, why would you mason me if you aren't going to say anything? Is this some crazy scheme to try and incriminate me or something?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 04:32 GMT
#4275
I dunno. I don't think it's AlphaZero, and I don't think it's Mocsta. But I also don't have the energy to read carefully enough to make an informed opinion, and even if I did, I wouldn't have the energy to push for it.

I guess I can politely suggest that we lynch someone else, probably die_meatbaby, but I completely understand if you don't listen to me. I highly doubt I would if I was in your shoes.

I'm sorry for playing so poorly You guys deserve better.

Raynpelikoneet said he thinks Mocsta is mafia in post #4094. Maybe there's something to it, I don't really think so, but we'll find out tomorrow I suppose. Hope you guys are right.

Idk, much of it comes down to Mocsta thinking the same things I did, right? I get that those things weren't great, it's even possible that they were 100% wrong, but I am town and I thought those things, can I really say that it makes someone else mafia for thinking that way too?

I don't care for the analysis of Alakaslam asking for replacement and then coming back. I don't care for analysis of Mocsta quitting. I think those things are non alignment indicative, hard to get accurate conclusions from, and even if they aren't, I think it's detrimental to the game.

I'd lynch die_meatbaby or probably scott31337. I think I just have to accept never having a read on Alakaslam. I look over his filter and he's at 11 pages but I don't feel like he has done very much, so it's hard for me to conclude much.

But then again there's Vivax who decided to mason me and also ignore me and I have no idea what that means :/

If anyone wants to talk, let me know. Not that I have anything useful to say, but I can try.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 04:49 GMT
#4276
Oh and I don't think AlphaZero is mafia either. You guys can lynch them if you want, you won't have my vote, but I don't have the energy or confidence to argue against.

I'll just say that I keep telling die_meatbaby why I think she is mafia, other people keep presenting strong reasons why die_meatbaby could be mafia, I keep reaching out to her and asking for help to understand what's going on, and she has been pretty consistently ignoring all of it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 05:39 GMT
#4284
AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?

I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 05:43 GMT
#4286
I'm sorry Mocsta, I know you just said you don't want to talk about AlphaZero but can I at least make sure I am understanding you correctly? You say AlphaZero is mafia because he always has an explanation that defends his actions?

Also, do you think die_meatbaby or scott31337 might be mafia? Sorry I know it's probably in your filter but I am worn out
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:06 GMT
#4289
Mocsta, why would you ever post like that >< If I go to any of those links it quotes it in a TL.net post preview. C'mom man, I just wanted to read what you had to say

In all seriousness though, I'll try and work through that. I appreciate it.

AlphaZero, I get that. Did my discussion with Mocsta about your alignment have any effect on your read of Mocsta?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:10 GMT
#4290
Also hey, look, it's me! I remember that game
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:32 GMT
#4296
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.

I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:38 GMT
#4299
I can see what you're saying about the sandroba stuff. Maybe you're right, I just have a hard time putting much weight into associations unless it's extreme.

Rsoultin pushing sandroba half of day 1 and then being replaced by Koshi who pushed sandroba all of day 2? I can get behind that.

Less than that? Tbh, even if you can break it down and correctly analyze why mafia wouldn't have done something, turns out mafia makes mistakes sometimes too. Maybe they made a judgement error and then did something that you can correctly analyze as incorrect.

Not that it doesn't have any merit, but it's hard for me to weigh it against non-associative reasons. Bleh, maybe I need to use my computer again
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:41 GMT
#4300
On June 14 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.

I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off.
That's fair and understandable.

I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree?
I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway.

Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:51 GMT
#4304
On June 14 2024 15:49 Koshi wrote:
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On June 14 2024 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count

Mocsta (5): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Alakaslam, Vivax
die_meatbaby (1): Koshi, Vivax
AlphaZero (1); Scott31337, Mocsta
Scott31337 (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Alakaslam

Not Voting: Trfel, Mocsta

With 5 votes, Mocsta is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


Koshi first post in the game:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 13:17 Koshi wrote:
On June 09 2024 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi what did your role pm say

That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba.

I suppose if you and Mocsta are mafia you'd be at a 75% read accuracy, which is pretty impressive for having just replaced in
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:53 GMT
#4306
On June 14 2024 15:51 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 15:41 Trfel wrote:
On June 14 2024 15:33 Mocsta wrote:
On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote:
Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though.

I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off.
That's fair and understandable.

I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree?
I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway.

Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote.
yeahi agree about voting early in the day -> you are talking about optionality.. and to me, AlphaZero goes about optionality slightly differently.

i mean, i know people say they dont understand my read progressions. yet, this is completely different to AZ where people distill his sandroba read as town, even though he has posts to defend he thought sandroba was scummy

the actions do not line up with the words & it is the actions that i believe led people like me (maybe rayn) to mentalise that az townread sandroba
I'm sorry, could I ask for clarification about what you mean here? Is this supposed to be a reason to suspect AlphaZero? Is it because he says things about being suspicious about sandroba but also is defending sandroba?

Because that wasn't my interpretation of what happened tbh.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 14 2024 06:54 GMT
#4307
On June 14 2024 15:52 Koshi wrote:
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On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not playing anymore

Go ahead and vote me off

Last post
Which you can reread after my town flip

I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn
He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it

Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts

Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality.
We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use.
Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned.

I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia.

Why is this relevant.
We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players.

My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter
Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter.

I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town.

Alpha is scum.
His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far.

Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town.
His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game.

I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage.

Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax.

I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch.

Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear..

Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town.
His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven.

Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on:
1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch
2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly
3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game

It's a natural confidence boost.
The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it

I will vote alpha for those who see the light

I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept.

Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good.

[B##vote: alphazero



The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not
be ignored.







Yeah Mocsta is town and the final answer is

DMB/AZ
[/b]But that drops you down to a measly 25% first post read accuracy

That's like... the RNG rate. So much for bragging points I guess.
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