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On March 04 2024 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:54 iamperfection wrote:
make sure you answer that dp im going to bed. I dont want to be mayor by the way i dont want to be in the game that long. I’ll answer in about 5 min if you can stay up, but basically the hyper-suspiciousness with pairing me and vivax and also the tone of her walls reminds me of her town play.
From a quick glance at your filter I don't think you elaborated on this. I don't understand why it makes DMB town?
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On March 04 2024 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cake came back and opened up okay
Why do you think the Cop stuff until this post is okay? (This is page 24)
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On March 05 2024 01:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sorry Slam i actually thought about it when you started talking about Chezinu. My bad.  At least you did also see it. Guarantee mafia found out quick anyway so I generally don't value the role even as highly as innocent child.
What are you talking about? I don't get this back and forth
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On March 05 2024 02:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:03 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:54 iamperfection wrote:
make sure you answer that dp im going to bed. I dont want to be mayor by the way i dont want to be in the game that long. I’ll answer in about 5 min if you can stay up, but basically the hyper-suspiciousness with pairing me and vivax and also the tone of her walls reminds me of her town play. From a quick glance at your filter I don't think you elaborated on this. I don't understand why it makes DMB town? are you still here?
Almost finished with my catch up, one more page to go!
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On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Vivax what's your intent regarding your lynch target?
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On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote:
Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening
I have not budged from reading the thread from the beginning since I started
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##Mayor: Vivax
I don't see how that's not the correct play
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Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post.
On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission
The rest of his filter is also nothing
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On March 05 2024 03:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:04 Rels wrote:
##Mayor: Vivax
I don't see how that's not the correct play Any other thoughts?
Yeah I have a bunch of open tabs so I remember to write thoughts about them. I'm working at the same time though, so they'll come as a trickle
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On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum?
I don't understand the question  how would it change anything?
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On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
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On March 05 2024 03:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. This is making me laugh a lot
Me too haha
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On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
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On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything?
rayn?
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On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable.
Outside of hypothetical, what % of chance do you think there is that Vivax is scum there?
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On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum.
Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information?
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On March 05 2024 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is: "I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better." I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play.
The part you quoted is weak but unremarkable, but the rest is what makes it flimsy
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Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what?
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I have a hard time thinking scum MZ can make those posts. The reasonning is stupid once you think about this, that it must have been posted unfiltered, which indicates MZ being town
On March 04 2024 12:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote:
can we not speculate on hypothetical wagons for now.
For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet. Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him. He was good last game on MS though, when he was town. It's weird to me that both you and DP mentioned the MS game within a minute of each other in your attempts to call out oats.
On March 04 2024 13:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:09 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote:
can we not speculate on hypothetical wagons for now.
For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet. Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him. He was good last game on MS though, when he was town. It's weird to me that both you and DP mentioned the MS game within a minute of each other in your attempts to call out oats. Trfel or Jacob I'm curious if this stood out to either of you guys. Especially in light of DP seemingly backing off Oats a bit It didn't stand out to me, why? Are you suggesting that they were talking about it in the mafia chat or something which is why they brought it up here? (which seems extremely unlikely) Or what makes this interesting? It did make me wonder, one of them could have mentioned it in a scum chat and then they both decided to bring it up, not realizing the other was going to say it. ... ok as I typed that out, I realized how tinfoil hat it sounds. That's a very very unlikely scenario, disregard.
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On March 05 2024 04:36 CopCake wrote:Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me! I couldnt use my ability day 1 couldnt use my ability day 2 Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys Oh no, I picked wrong target again What you did, doesnt help vivax.
LOL
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BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor
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On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
What post?
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On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:09 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Outside of hypothetical, what % of chance do you think there is that Vivax is scum there? 0,02%
So why not vote him mayor then? I don't get it. Being unable to be NK is the perfect ability to give to a JK. And it's not like mayor gives another ability that could be better used by someone else, apart from deciding the second lynch today, but Vivax already pledged to just kill the second wagon
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On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
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On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3
I don't understand this "I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up"
What follow-up?
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On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor
So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
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On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote?
1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it
2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now
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On March 05 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active.
I don't get it, please lay it out clearly. "Everyone should vote for VE so that he's pressured to actively play so that we can understand his alignement", is that what you're saying?
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On March 05 2024 05:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie. Yeah I answered. Basically I liked the part where she thought me and vivax were partnered and her huge walls reminded me more of her town play than her scum play..
Yeah? I'll have to check at some point to refresh my memories then, because I hate her filter more than anyone other than TTS currently
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On March 05 2024 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:11 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:09 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:
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His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote? 1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now On March 05 2024 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:
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What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active. I don't get it, please lay it out clearly. "Everyone should vote for VE so that he's pressured to actively play so that we can understand his alignement", is that what you're saying? VE ran his mayor campaign on the basis of "A vote for VE is a vote for active town", yet he has done jack shit or is even pretending on doing jack shit.
Oh yeah I see the irony now :p
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On March 04 2024 13:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:23 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:22 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:20 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 12:59 Vivax wrote:
I like Jacob shrugging it off that I found him a bit suspicious early, and I tend to read his writing style as scummy I think.
So for now I am at:
Maximum town: Me
Townish: DP, JS, iamp
Unsure: MZ
Very unsure: Trfel
Scummy : Oats
MZ is mayor competition and I believe would be an ideal mafia candidate. Can‘t pin much on him though. His focus pn conversing with Trfel is noteworthy.
Trfel seemed like he mistook MZ for me with the promise to vote Palmar. Strikes me as low confidence tone wise.
DP I think is actively looking for mafia already and I felt like I had a congruent thinking moment when it came to Oats. you got fooled by Dp´s mafia skills in your last game so I hope it doesn´t happen again if you are Maximum town Why do you talk to vivax like he is town here DMB? Sorry I will not use smileys again. #staytoxicnosmileys No that is not what I mean. Why if you think everyone is suspect do you talk to Vivax about him 'fooled' which implies he is town. i dont understand what your saying She says she hopes Vivax is not fooled again. It's weird because she is talking to him like he is town but has vocally argued against anyone being town. at the end she say's 'if you are super town'' or whatever, but it's just not the response that I would expect from DMB if she is hyper suspicious of everyone as she stated. something I learned in my first game is calling everbody scum doesn´t help to find scum and more importend Town even when I think everone is a suspect right now.
I guess you learned a little too hard, because reading your filter, I see almost 0 suspicion towards anyone. What are your reads towards anyone not named Vivax?
On March 04 2024 14:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 14:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 14:36 JacobStrangelove wrote:
That's just for the mayor choosing who they're killing. All other votes are public. But i want to see that too. Mafia will vote on the same scum person. Risk for having scum major is even higher what are you talking about At the some point we will discuss who we elect as mayor and of course there will also be a scum about what Town might choose. Mafia will discuss in the discord who has the best townreads up to that point and most likely has the best chances to be elected mayor. That's 5 votes on a scum person + probably one or two townies who might vote for that person. So the probability that the mayor is not tip top town but mafia is very high. And if the whole thing was public, not all 5 could vote for the same person because it would be too conspicuous
If that logic was true and as simple in reality, the scum team would also decide all votes lynches and there would be no game.
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On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate.
I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
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On March 05 2024 05:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly Yes. I would mason a strong townie like that as mafia 100 percent of the time. Without the thread watching over you it would be much easier to pocket someone. TL players are very weak to being pocketed. I think that is the only thing MS have over us actually. They are far more aware of and concerned by pocketing attempts. I’m not calling Rayn mafia here im just saying it’s within his range and It’s part of why I’m voting vivax for mayor over him.
I did it once with rsoultin (I was the scum mason and tried to pocker her like that) and it backfired spectacularly :D
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Hey DMB, who would you lynch if the deadline was now?
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I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why
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Finally free! But also pretty tired. I'll do my best to catch up before falling asleep but no guarantee...
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Koshi is very townie. Would vote for him for mayor if we didn't have a jk claim
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On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion
"I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category?
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On March 05 2024 06:34 CopCake wrote:
I think VE is trying to be funny ironic and not angry?
??? What about those last posts from ve is ironic?
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Meh. I'm too tired to catch up. Read page 70 and realized I hadn't really read it. Will finish tomorrow
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Well. Sorry guys for the inactivity. My daughter is sick and home, so I had to juggle between her and work. Now that work day is over and my wife can take help, I have like 30 minutes, and then I'll be gone until she's asleep, usually 1 hour before the deadline. I know I'm usually very inactive D1 because I hate it, but this time I really tried, the universe is conspiring against me ...
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On March 06 2024 07:51 DarthPunk wrote:
ATTENTION TOWNIES
We are now lynching JAT, adjust your votes accordingly.
Can I know why? While I'm diving into Palmar since he's leading the votes
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On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
Not done reading Palmar's filter, but this reads like Palmar doesn't know what to do. I can see scum!Palmar posting this. Especially since he was pretty confident earlier in his filter that marv would never push him as scum
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On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird?
I guess there, throwing shade at marv
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On March 05 2024 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 23:55 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap I don't agree. I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit" Or anything, really. It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other. Our chat was very active during the day. Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here. You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know? No I know that, that's not the point. It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing.
Doesn't match with this later post:
On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
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On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that.
That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind:
On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages?
But you were throwing shade at him before that point:
On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread.
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird?
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
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I would be OK with a Palmar lynch
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On March 06 2024 08:19 DarthPunk wrote:I did. He is not being smart, and he is being useless. Also he wouldn't vote trfel.
Any case you/anyone wrote? I don't have time to read his filter before dropping
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Like, quote one post that was unsmart?
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On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT
Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game
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I can see that he hasn't posted since actually lol
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On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post?
The vote post?
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On March 06 2024 08:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. So forced and intentionally misread. Rels looks terrible for these takes. Almost like he went to my filter with a preconceived decision. It's really obvious how and why I've approached marv the way I did.
How if it a misread? Is it not true that you stated that you couldn't see marv as town, and then was surprised that he didn't change his mind regarding you?
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"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
?????
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On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post?
On March 06 2024 08:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? This.
Can I have a link to that mythical post?
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On March 06 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:32 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? On March 06 2024 08:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? This. Can I have a link to that mythical post? Its the last post in his filter.
This?
On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote:
My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.
Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it.
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If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time
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On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction:
On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right?
On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game.
On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful.
I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.
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On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else.
Will try to filter JAT before I have to go
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On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go
LOL
I really have a hard time understanding this:
On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
?????
I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?
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Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
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On March 06 2024 09:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:59 Vivax wrote:
Not gonna lie Palmar might have just called out all the mafia in the top part of his post.
Good job team. I think rels is town when he posts. MZ too. I’m sketchy on Rels tbh. I hated his post on oats earlier. I think he knows oats better than that to make that post.
Can you elaborate? What I said would be true for a random player but wrong specifically for Oats?
FTR I don't remember playing with him, but most of my games were a long time ago
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On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster
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Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
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I don't know if everyone jumped off Palmar, but that's the scummiest thing that happened in the game in my opinion:
On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
?????
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Will be back at least 1 hour before the deadline!
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Well looks like I won't be able to join after all. My daughter is still not well and is still not sleeping so I'm staying with her until she's better. Will try to phone read and post if she starts to sleep but no guarantee . Will also switch to JAT since nobody is on the Palmar wagon anymore
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Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him
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On March 06 2024 12:29 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Oh and this cutie pie I forgot was in the game.
<3
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On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts. I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT
I really disagree. He looked like town that didn't have the time to properly play while knowing you're supposed to be there at the deadline, especially when you're one of the wagon
I thought his posts were pretty empathic
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Cake having and pushing her theory that the whole scum team conspired D1 to kill Trfel because they were scared of him is really townie
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On March 06 2024 14:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone have a strong read on rels?
Very good push towards Palmar. Do you mean this series of posts? + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 08:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town. As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat. Not done reading Palmar's filter, but this reads like Palmar doesn't know what to do. I can see scum!Palmar posting this. Especially since he was pretty confident earlier in his filter that marv would never push him as scum On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv On March 06 2024 08:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:59 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 23:55 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap I don't agree. I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit" Or anything, really. It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other. Our chat was very active during the day. Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here. You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know? No I know that, that's not the point. It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing. Doesn't match with this later post: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:19 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia. See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play. There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat. On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. I don't really see what is good about it, It was at the wrong time, and it was ineffective, is Rels the kind of player who can't take control of a thread? Like to me there was real influence to wield at that time and he kind of just sat on Palmar for too long on his own. (he has had IRL stuff which may play a role, but still)
"wrong time"? I posted at the only time where I could post
To answer your question, I rarely take control of the thread as town, especially D1
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On March 06 2024 19:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels. I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch.
You think Trfel was a policy lynch? That's an horrible take, most people on his wagon really thought he was scum
Half the game was hyperbolic, but even pre-lynch, I already said I would lynch a lot of people above him:
On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
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On March 06 2024 19:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:15 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 19:09 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:04 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 18:56 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
I came with some conclusions
Town:
Koshi
Slam
Rels
Marv
MZ
Oats
Feels town
VE
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
The rest are wild cards
I disagree with this enough for it to be town What is wrong with it sweet pie? I’d be shocked if iamp or Vivax are mafia. Wouldn’t be shocked by DP but I don’t think so either What about my town pile? I’m not sure about Rels or MZ. I think Rels felt genuine and interested, i think he could have easily blended with people if he was mafia. You think he’s had an impact?
WTF is this standard? When is the last time I've had an impact D1? I hate those
Fuck this is annoying me. I feel like I'm being set up as the next lynch. Sick daughter, maybe getting laid off so I have a bunch of interviews coming up for which I have to prepare, but I have the feeling I'll have to devote my evenings to analyze the game and the days to scream at people like in the old days just to not be the default lynch
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On March 07 2024 11:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 19:09 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:04 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 18:56 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
I came with some conclusions
Town:
Koshi
Slam
Rels
Marv
MZ
Oats
Feels town
VE
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
The rest are wild cards
I disagree with this enough for it to be town What is wrong with it sweet pie? I’d be shocked if iamp or Vivax are mafia. Wouldn’t be shocked by DP but I don’t think so either What about my town pile? I’m not sure about Rels or MZ. I think Rels felt genuine and interested, i think he could have easily blended with people if he was mafia. You think he’s had an impact? WTF is this standard? When is the last time I've had an impact D1? I hate those Fuck this is annoying me. I feel like I'm being set up as the next lynch. Sick daughter, maybe getting laid off so I have a bunch of interviews coming up for which I have to prepare, but I have the feeling I'll have to devote my evenings to analyze the game and the days to scream at people like in the old days just to not be the default lynch I have some thoughts on this topic I'd love to discuss with everyone post game.
Kinda regret posting this TBH, but sure
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On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel
2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game
Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this?
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On March 06 2024 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. This is actually fair point.
?? Really?
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On March 07 2024 00:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels made a good point about your stance on marv's scumread on you. Maybe Rels is mafia with you as JAT thinks, but nevertheless it's a good point, you just shrug it off like it's nothing. And people buy that shit from you.
Just didn't want to talk to Rels really. His entire point is based on some perceived strangeness regarding marv, that if shit ever hits the fan I could cajole marv himself into confirming isn't weird. And at that point Rels had no thread presence and I felt like arguing something so dumb was just gonna mess with the thread.
@marv can you explain it then?
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nice
I believe Slam's claim, it just makes sense. Worst case, we trade 1:1
Miller chance is pretty low too
##Vote Oatsmaster
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On March 07 2024 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well we have 3 blue supposedly all that are very powerful.
3 blues for the amount of players is normal in my opinion. I would doubt a 4th claim, it would depend on the number of scum / their roles
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN
I have been given a Vig shot in the night.
I intend to VIG TTS.
Good target choice
Why announce it now instead of at the deadline?
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:23 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well we have 3 blue supposedly all that are very powerful. 3 blues for the amount of players is normal in my opinion. I would doubt a 4th claim, it would depend on the number of scum / their roles 4 blues.
That seems high to me. Read through the OP again, it's 16 town vs 5 scums
Maybe with the additional KP N1 and N2 it adds up ...?
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On March 07 2024 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:24 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:19 iamperfection wrote:
oats explain your vote on dmb Literally entirely through eod and the night it’s there? What are you talking about i mean did you not read what just happened ??? Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs Be honest if it wasn‘t you, what would you do ? There‘s not much choice here. But we can pretend at least. If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it. It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now
LOL
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. This literally makes no sense
On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. This literally makes no sense What about this is confusing you? The voting is for the mayor firstly, so the 2nd top voter is the 2nd choice for mayor, secondly giving up your agency is super anti town
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
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On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:Rels is also cute
Second <3
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On March 07 2024 12:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Oh this is also why I had zero fear of being lynched I always knew I could claim once my role had been expended.
Oh wow is it really a single use? So yeah kind of a shitty vig, 4 blues is definitely possible
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On March 07 2024 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels we have literally a french sports car now btw!!!! ^_^
Good choice
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On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
When I saw it discussed D1 I didn't even understand why rayn thought it was real
I would have also dismissed it
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On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels.
I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read
JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though
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In other news, finally read the fucking game. I've ignored some posts from Slam, Jealous, Vivax, JSL and DMB when they were too hard to parse while reading like that - will have to revisit Jealous and DMB at least. Glad that Slam, Vivax and JSL are probably taken care of alignment wise already LOL
Anyone that thought Palmar looked better or good N1 (DP?), why? I didn't see a single post that would be hard to fake as scum. From what I can remember, talking about his reads on me and VE, being cocky, talking a lot about policy lynches and the way to play the game. Not advancing the game or pointing new things. The only place where he showed some change was being attacked by rayn and scumreading him. And now, rayn is dead.
If I have to make a contrast, I thought JAT looked way better. After his shitty cases (on me obv, and I also thought the one on MZ was not convincing), I liked what I could see of his mindset, interacting with different people, vote analysis, etc.
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On March 07 2024 12:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake will never push anyone else this game.
Even her other scum reads.
That is why she is mafia.
I want to reread the game where we were scum together at some point to verify, but I don't think so. She seems to believe in her thoughts in her way. I thought it was obvious she had a game plan when we were scums together
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VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one.
On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing.
LOL at this too not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh
On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath.
(makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes)
On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince.
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I think marv, DP, CC, marv, Koshi are town. Probably JAT and MZ too
Looking at the player list, outside the claims and the hard people I want to revisit, that leaves TTS and iamperfection. I know iamperfection is pretty townread but I have absolutely no read on them lol. Cannot remember a single one of their post
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Palmar I want you to answer those posts
On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?
On March 07 2024 11:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels. I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch. You think Trfel was a policy lynch? That's an horrible take, most people on his wagon really thought he was scum [...]
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JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scum
On March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this?
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On March 07 2024 13:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:56 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him? My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me This doesn't really make sense, how do you predict slams check, just really unlikely. ? Obviously they lucked out? What do you think happened assuming both me and slam are town Probably miller if I had to put money on it. Fair you are banned from talking about millers and framers. Talk about anything else. Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town? probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything.
I don't get it, have you never have the feeling of doing dumb shit as scum because you think it would appear town? I have the temptation all the time. Dumbtelling, hard scumreading a townie person during the night that you know you'll shot anyway, etc. Never received a townread for it to date lol.
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On March 07 2024 13:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 13:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:56 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
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My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me This doesn't really make sense, how do you predict slams check, just really unlikely. ? Obviously they lucked out? What do you think happened assuming both me and slam are town Probably miller if I had to put money on it. Fair you are banned from talking about millers and framers. Talk about anything else. Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town? probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything. I don't get it, have you never have the feeling of doing dumb shit as scum because you think it would appear town? I have the temptation all the time. Dumbtelling, hard scumreading a townie person during the night that you know you'll shot anyway, etc. Never received a townread for it to date lol. sounds like something i would do yes. I dont know if its something dmb would. I did something like this in the cancelled game and it half worked.
Got it. I don't have a grasp on DMB at all, even though I think I cohosted all games she played. Luckily now I'll have time to properly read her
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Anyway, well past sleeping time for me, see you all tomorrow
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On March 07 2024 13:26 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:25 Rels wrote:
Anyway, well past sleeping time for me, see you all tomorrow Hope baby gets better <3
Thanks she was better tonight! Or I wouldn't have been there at all haha
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On March 07 2024 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumOn March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.
@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this? Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both.
You're saying this but I still don't get it even taking the Palmar case in consideration. It's nothing more than "I scumread Palmar and Rels so there must be one scum between them in my worldview"? Or if it's something, can you summarize it in one sentence?
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On March 07 2024 22:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:18 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 13:17 Rels wrote:JAT I would really like an answer on this. Not really my defense on the shitty case, but the last part. I don't understand how what you wrote makes it so one of Palmar/me have to be scumOn March 07 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
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It's a stark difference to his level last game.
He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out.
But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
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Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.
@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:
[quote]To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. 1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel 2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. ???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this? Sure, you are right - the last part is not a conclusion of the findings in this post alone. You need to put it into context with the one about palmar I wrote just before this one. I think it is likely, that there is a mafia between you. Like rayn, I wouldn't even rule out that you are both. You're saying this but I still don't get it even taking the Palmar case in consideration. It's nothing more than "I scumread Palmar and Rels so there must be one scum between them in my worldview"? Or if it's something, can you summarize it in one sentence? No, it is not only that (but of course also true). First of all you were very convinced he is mafia. Since I consider you a good player that makes it more likely he is mafia if you are not. Second you had 0 issue to switch with him onto my wagon while being this convinced about him. Which is what triggered rayn so hard. Made the most sense to him if you are both mafia and you were pushing your buddy for a reason you genuinely believe makes him scum but I think you could also do it if he is town and you want your vote to look relevant. Forgetting that you probably should not uncritically follow your #1 mafia read onto his preferred wagon.
OK, I can see the last bit make sense
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On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post
The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart
Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
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On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia.
AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum
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iamperfection we have the exact same worldview right now. Anything on your mind on Jealous and DMB? That's the 2 I want to form a read on tonight
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On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
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On March 08 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels what is your view on cake.
Town. Lots of out-there theories, logics and posts that she absolutely don't need to make as scum, and that I don't remember her doing as scum
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On March 08 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia. AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum Remember this for later.
Later when you try to shot him?
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On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.
In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself
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On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
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On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔 Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.
Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=all
I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...
This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)
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Oh yeah, the cancelled game. Not going to read it tonight for sure, I wanted to take a look at DMB ...
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MZ you're so town
I think Oats will flip scum if that can help lol. Apparently nobody else agreed, but I thought his entrance was pretty scummy
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Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
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On March 05 2024 03:15 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. I have to mention that I have read so many games from Vivax from the last decade. I can't remember a single game where he claimed a PR as Mafia. He only does something like that when he's really blue or at least green. I think he wouldn't do shit like that, which happens often and ends bad for scum, on day 1 as a scum. toooooo fucking risky. First lowkey townread I have so far. Maybe we should really make him mayor. He would not ever do that so early and risking d1 lynch for that. Would be to insane
Why did you use "lowkey" there? That doesn't match with the rest of the words, that indicates a pretty strong townread - or with your posts afterwards
On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:RaynShow nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming,
Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish.
Why? I don't understand the reasonnig. Can you summarize in 1 sentence why you thought it made rayn scum at the time?
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On March 08 2024 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn.
Hey also going to sleep imminently though haha
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On March 08 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels can I get a list post of your reads please?
Scum: Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats
Possibly scum: DMB
Town: The rest apart from Jealous for which I have no read
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On March 08 2024 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
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Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival. Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=allI think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ... This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4) I think her other game is more similar, and she had around 13 pages
Yeah? I'll have to take a look tomorrow
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On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar
?????
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2 different bad takes in the same post by Koshi
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At the time of this post (7 hours ago), MZ and I have definitely been caring, and Jacob has the strongest claim of all
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On March 08 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me.
meh
Still leaving a bad taste
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Koshi has been super townie D1 though. And is usually obvious scum the longer the game goes, by his activity level and his capacity at jumping from theory to theory that is apparently super hard to fake for him ... so I guess we'll see
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Alright going to bed for real!
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On March 09 2024 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:Night 2Oatsmaster the Mafia Framer has been lynched.
Night 2 begins. The night ends on Sunday, Mar 10 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Haha, I love the level of irony
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Happy about that one
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
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Nice feeling knowing I can catch up while ignoring all Oats posts too
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On March 09 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder.
LOL
Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates
If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once
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Just read your muscle tearing post ... how is it now? Better I hope ...
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On March 09 2024 12:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:33 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:Night 2Oatsmaster the Mafia Framer has been lynched.
Night 2 begins. The night ends on Sunday, Mar 10 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Haha, I love the level of irony This one puts his alarms at 10 minutes after deadline.
Even though I kept my France country, I live in Canada now. I thought I would be able to join at least a few hours before deadline, but IRL came in the way once again ...
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On March 09 2024 12:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:39 Rels wrote:
Just read your muscle tearing post ... how is it now? Better I hope ... Nah I'll be out of badminton 3 months at least, I can't walk or drive, maybe I can walk in 2-4 weeks.
fuuuuuuck
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Super sorry for you man
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[QUOTE]On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.[/QUOTE]
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.[/QUOTE]
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
[/QUOTE]
???
I hate Koshi periodically throwing shade at me for no reason
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EBWOP
On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
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I hate Koshi periodically throwing shade at me for no reason[/QUOTE]
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whelp
Not doing a third post lol
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On March 09 2024 12:44 DarthPunk wrote:All good, not the first time. But I am on holidays to belgium, france and italy in 4 weeks, was going to do the path of the gods hike on the amalfi coast, so hope i get better before that.
Hopefully it will go well! It looks really gorgeous
Where in France?
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On March 09 2024 12:50 iamperfection wrote:
be funny if it turns out all 3 wagons that formed today were scum.
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Oh god. What is this votecount
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At least it's 3 of my scumreads, but fucking lol, how fucking hard is it to lynch a red check
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On March 09 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:51 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 12:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 12:42 Rels wrote:Super sorry for you man All good, not the first time. But I am on holidays to belgium, france and italy in 4 weeks, was going to do the path of the gods hike on the amalfi coast, so hope i get better before that. Hopefully it will go well! It looks really gorgeous Where in France? Just paris
Still great as a tourist as long as you don't live there ...
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If you're not really set on things to do / places to eat, send me a PM, I can send you some ideas (lived there for almost 30 years)
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On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps. This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi. Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
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On March 09 2024 12:57 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better > see flip > immediately filter self to find evidence to substantiate that the flip is good for them
LOL
Ego bragging? Of course. Maybe the towniest behavior even!
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On March 09 2024 13:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:04 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps. This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi. Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night. I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it? It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
OK I see
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On March 09 2024 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:05 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 12:57 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better > see flip > immediately filter self to find evidence to substantiate that the flip is good for them LOL Ego bragging? Of course. Maybe the towniest behavior even! It would make more sense as a brag if you ever tried to do anything with your read.
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Are you scumreading me because I wasn't available enough to properly play D1 now?
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I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
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@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling
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On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up.
Yeah. @marv what do you think?
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed")
I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
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The reason for suspecting me is really bad of course. But I'm also biased there
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On March 09 2024 13:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Not trying to be a dick Rels but it's not really a good look for you to try and so obviously grab town points for something you had nothing to do with.
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Where am I trying to grab town points????
I'm happy that I had a good read on Oats. That's it
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On March 09 2024 11:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town
Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game. Don’t you mean when?
LOL
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On March 09 2024 11:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And now cake is voting VE with still no posts here lol I posted and quoted palmar
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Did you vote Palmar because he wrote a case on rayn?
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On March 08 2024 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
[quote]
Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival. Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=allI think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ... This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4) I think her other game is more similar, and she had around 13 pages
Just read it, how so?
The thing I saw that is different from the other scum game is that she really bumped into you in Endures II, similar to this game.
I didn't see the rest though. Similar to Chezinu streak mafia, she was very "normal", a lot of posts defending herself, a few posts with straightforward reasons for people to be scum. I guess the concise way to put it would be boring
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On March 09 2024 13:54 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
so the dumb town tell that oats didnt see right after the day post. So DMB town for sure. Dont think bus right there. I WIFOM'd on this for a while because I already put myself in "Oats is scum" world right after the flip, so the question was "is there any way this was a coordinated bus?" Ockham's razor says "no." So does Hanlon's. So at this point DMB has to be town IMO. At least that is the null hypothesis until every other option has been exhausted. Honestly pains me to say it, too.
I thought I read all posts and yet I don't follow what iamperfection and you are saying. What's the reasoning being made here?
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I see. My head tells me that it's super easy to fake. But you're right that it's so soon after the red claim ... I wouldn't even post at that point, I would just take a moment to think
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On March 09 2024 14:14 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:09 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:54 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
so the dumb town tell that oats didnt see right after the day post. So DMB town for sure. Dont think bus right there. I WIFOM'd on this for a while because I already put myself in "Oats is scum" world right after the flip, so the question was "is there any way this was a coordinated bus?" Ockham's razor says "no." So does Hanlon's. So at this point DMB has to be town IMO. At least that is the null hypothesis until every other option has been exhausted. Honestly pains me to say it, too. I thought I read all posts and yet I don't follow what iamperfection and you are saying. What's the reasoning being made here? Oats voted DMB basically within a minute of being outed as scum. Plausible he saw himself be outed. I figure it is likely he didn't unless he had that play locked and ready, which would be super legendary. So, razors say DMB has to he town. Should be on the same page as the N1 post or very close to it.
Wait are you arguing that he didn't see the red check before the vote? Then it doesn't prove anything
But I think he must have seen it. I know as scum, I hit refresh 20 times and reread my post 20 times before posting anything
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Seeing the red claim and immediately voting his teammate in less than 2 minutes ... maybe it's not possible
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FALSE ALARM
Oats spent like, the entirety of N1 (and even before) talking about how scummy DMB is
Whether DMB is scum or not, it doesn't matter. Voting DMB at the beginning of D2 just makes sense, regardless or her alignment. It's just the automatic play
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 11:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:26 Rels wrote:
Well looks like I won't be able to join after all. My daughter is still not well and is still not sleeping so I'm staying with her until she's better. Will try to phone read and post if she starts to sleep but no guarantee . Will also switch to JAT since nobody is on the Palmar wagon anymore Vote for dmb On March 06 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dmb :> 🪓 On March 06 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 12:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
So it´s scummy that she wasted her vote (in my opinion it is a bit scummy)
But it is also scummy for you that I didn´t waste my vote and tried to vote one of wagons I would rather have lynched even I didn´t want to lynch both... What the hell is wrong with you. Either of your aligment the play is bad I was voting for you so that I could determine your alignment that's it. You know how I play as Town and usuallly you play smart so you should be aware of my aligment aready as slam is. But maybe you are not as smart as I thougt. You just was helping oatsmaster, who is a big scumread in my list btw Oh now I’m a scumread? Lol you can’t keep your story straight On March 06 2024 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS This is not how people talk to their scumread On March 07 2024 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:26 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch Oats, this is the dumb scum slip according to you, right? That is not correct On March 07 2024 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
It’s the nested quote inside the one that I directly responded to saying it’s a scumslip On March 07 2024 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2024 02:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts Explain?? All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal. I don’t understand how he thinks koshis thing is a scumslip while dmbs thing wasn’t to him On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about On March 07 2024 09:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy. The point is that it doesn’t enter her mind at all that that’s the situation. She barely talks about either of them, just randomly starts ranting at me and DP. On March 07 2024 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what?? On March 07 2024 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote dmb
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My big surprise is that he enters the thread IMMEDIATELY, but yeah that's surprising to me regardless of his vote aligment
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On March 09 2024 14:28 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:26 Rels wrote:
Seeing the red claim and immediately voting his teammate in less than 2 minutes ... maybe it's not possible Range is like 0.01 seconds to 119, but as someone who was there it felt very fast. If anyone knows how to get time depth on the level of seconds, let me know.
To my knowledge that's not possible
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On March 09 2024 14:33 Jealous wrote:
My argument is that it is more implausible than plausible, basically. To me the margins are similar to "does Alakaslam fake being cop" or "can Oats really be miller." For me the answer to all of these was also a probabilistic "no." This one is less clear-cut partially due to Oats playing a great mafia at EOD2 so it might be plausible he had the idea already locked and loaded as a reaction to a reveal by Slam, for example. But I am going to base my decisions in this being unlikely until something forces me to reconsider.
In any case, I feel there are better lynch targets than DMB before we get there at the moment, and this helps wide the divide if I assume it as null hypothesis basically.
100% agree that the reaction time to vote a random partner immediately after being red check is super implausible
But that's not the case there. The DMB bullet was loaded more than 24 hours previously
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On March 06 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote:
^ Fixing:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Why did you do this post at the time?
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On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how.
What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them?
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On March 09 2024 13:22 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out. It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that. Oats didn‘t act like caught scum at all. Jat looks the worst with the dont tempt me post imo. But we didn‘t see much activity from scummy folk that could have gotten ve lynches instead so gun to head I‘m guessing it is double bus scenario. Thank you Wanted to be sure.
Why? What did you want to be sure about? I really don't understand what you got out of this line of questioning. If Vivax would have said that he believed that VE is town to the wagon dynamic, what would you have concluded?
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On March 09 2024 15:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote:
^ Fixing:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Why did you do this post at the time? Me: "Oats, what are your reads?" Oats: "Filter me" Me: "Okay" Me: ^ that post because I wasn't too lazy to filter Oats and ask him if these were his reads.
Thanks. Found it:
On March 06 2024 10:14 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:05 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:36 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. What happened to your cake read? I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM. You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”?? Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience: 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here. ??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy Yea, I didn't like them, hence not great/unproductive, which is almost exactly what I wrote in the post you're dissecting? I feel like you're manufacturing a semantics issue when there really isn't one. The fact remains that - before I was reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop - I thought both him and rayn would have been better lynches than CopCake. I don't see any contradictions in anything I've said. How about you, who do you think are scum? What are your reads atm? You fully colored copcakes name but only half colored slams name. What you described in your list post isn’t “unproductive” it’s scummy. Like idk why you are trying to portray differently now but that’s not how your initial post was like. Idk maybe read my filter? Yea, because I find Alakaslam harder to read, which inherently means I can't be certain of his alignment but I can be certain that I don't think it helps town to be the way he is and that's why if I had to pick, I'd lynch him over CopCake. At least I can understand CopCake more often. To put it another way, if someone posts like Race Bannon - basically unintelligible gibberish - it's not really possible to have a strong scum read on them, but you can definitely feel like the game would be better off without them and make it easier to figure out, I guess? That's my thinking. But, this is all frankly irrelevant now that I have been reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop. Would be foolish to lynch him D1 IMO, and again, trains aren't there anyway. Re: filter, okay, will do.
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I think I hate this big "I'll list all Oats reads" post from Jealous. It really appears to be easy busywork to appear active and involved.
I even hate this header, nobody cares:
I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
I hate that it was updated 2 more times (here and here). Smells like both an easy way to have a conversation with a partner and an easy way to do busywork
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On March 09 2024 15:09 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:01 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:22 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:
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So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats?
Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon?
And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons?
Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out. It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that. Oats didn‘t act like caught scum at all. Jat looks the worst with the dont tempt me post imo. But we didn‘t see much activity from scummy folk that could have gotten ve lynches instead so gun to head I‘m guessing it is double bus scenario. Thank you Wanted to be sure. Why? What did you want to be sure about? I really don't understand what you got out of this line of questioning. If Vivax would have said that he believed that VE is town to the wagon dynamic, what would you have concluded? This one I'll get to tomorrow ET, my two brain cells are tired of rubbing against each other at the moment and need some alone time.
I'll be logging off imminently too, good night
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On March 09 2024 15:11 Jealous wrote:
Summary would be "Why does Vivax still see VE as the most viable lynch option when that would imply a double bus and basically ignored the entirety of what the Oats reveal means to the town from my POV?" which I think any town would want to hear an explanation for from their elected and protected mayor.
So what do you think of Vivax now that you know he thinks it could be a double bus?
(could be answered tomorrw ofc)
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FTR I absolutely still think VE is scum too even with the Oats flip, so I also don't understand why the premise would make Vivax mafia
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On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything.
Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them?
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On March 09 2024 15:16 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:10 Rels wrote:I think I hate this big "I'll list all Oats reads" post from Jealous. It really appears to be easy busywork to appear active and involved. I even hate this header, nobody cares: I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" I hate that it was updated 2 more times ( here and here). Smells like both an easy way to have a conversation with a partner and an easy way to do busywork My suspicion at the time was that Oats was just antagonizing people and asking questions without actually ever giving a comprehensive read list. So, I wanted one. Instead of offering one, he challenged me to make one. So, I did. Then I refined it based on feedback. So your stance now is that I bussed Oats and held on through the VE wagon, too? Vivax accused me of the same thing, you can re-read my response to him on this matter. I guess you have the luxury of choosing whether this was a triple bus by me or that VE is town. I'll let you decide which one you want to pursue.
It's not like this point in particular makes you scum, but even outside of normal bussing, parking a vote on a red check partner makes perfect sense. At the same time, voting away from Oats also makes perfect sense
So, I don't think there is much to obtain from the voting yesterday. This is 100% true if VE is scum. Things might be more interesting if he's town, but even then, far from obvious
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On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr
OK
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Alright, time to sleep for me too
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On March 09 2024 18:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Where are we even, N2? Are they going to let me live? Maybe I should've shut up :X
Dumbtell athempt number 10 of this game lol
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On March 09 2024 20:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Rels posted some very obvious things after the flip and peaced. Not impressed.
I think you meant "Rels joined when he could, spent several hours furthering his reads and digging new things previously not discussed in the thread, and went to sleep"
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On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town.
I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous?
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On March 10 2024 01:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
Also didn't like the post from rels: It's nice to catch up without reading oats.... How the fuck you wanna find the scum team without reading the only offical scum Player?!?
Every post from Oats I read after I posted this were after the red check, so Oats knew he would flip
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On March 10 2024 08:23 Palmar wrote:
Think I said someone else’s town too but can’t really remember. Also all the shit people doing nothing are mafia. Also I met Rels irl once and he’s really cool and my view of him this game does not represent my view of him as an all around standup dude.
<3 same here man! We will definitely come back one of these days (we fucking loved Iceland), let's have a drink again
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On March 10 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 09:49 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 01:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
Also didn't like the post from rels: It's nice to catch up without reading oats.... How the fuck you wanna find the scum team without reading the only offical scum Player?!?
Every post from Oats I read after I posted this were after the red check, so Oats knew he would flip makes no sense
What doesn't? Could you put into words?
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@DMB:
On March 08 2024 13:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. I have to mention that I have read so many games from Vivax from the last decade. I can't remember a single game where he claimed a PR as Mafia. He only does something like that when he's really blue or at least green. I think he wouldn't do shit like that, which happens often and ends bad for scum, on day 1 as a scum. toooooo fucking risky. First lowkey townread I have so far. Maybe we should really make him mayor. He would not ever do that so early and risking d1 lynch for that. Would be to insane Why did you use "lowkey" there? That doesn't match with the rest of the words, that indicates a pretty strong townread - or with your posts afterwards Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. Why? I don't understand the reasonnig. Can you summarize in 1 sentence why you thought it made rayn scum at the time?
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Beautiful preflip "everyone is happy" moment in the last few pages haha
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On March 10 2024 09:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous? I talked about before but his first big list post I vibed with his Jat and Hapa reads. Stupid things like his pic response to something I forgot now. Cc was offended but his formatting of her play as both town and mafia. I mean who does that?! He just seems interested. Doesn’t he seem interested?
Does he? Reading through his filter yesterday, I saw busywork and good reasons to do what he did. Like, "big post summarizing Oats reads", "here is update 1, update 2" ... "Koshi and Vivax must have had a plan to not vote the red check" "oh they didn't have a plan, I want them to answer", pushed them and got into a back and forth with Vivax, yet still doesn't have a conclusion on what it meant ...
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"good reasons to do what he did" is badly said lol, but like, "I must have a logical reason for my post that I can deliver if asked" ... that's the feeling I got
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On March 10 2024 10:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 10:02 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 09:58 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous? I talked about before but his first big list post I vibed with his Jat and Hapa reads. Stupid things like his pic response to something I forgot now. Cc was offended but his formatting of her play as both town and mafia. I mean who does that?! He just seems interested. Doesn’t he seem interested? Does he? Reading through his filter yesterday, I saw busywork and good reasons to do what he did. Like, "big post summarizing Oats reads", "here is update 1, update 2" ... "Koshi and Vivax must have had a plan to not vote the red check" "oh they didn't have a plan, I want them to answer", pushed them and got into a back and forth with Vivax, yet still doesn't have a conclusion on what it meant ... too thinky for me rn. I would lynch you over him tho Maybe I’m a jubjub
I wouldn't
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Why the 2 groups? What link those players together?
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On March 10 2024 10:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:
Why the 2 groups? What link those players together? Actually I saw this tactic in some old game and thought it was very good. It helps a lot when you're tunnelling the same person for a long time. Group 1 Is stronger in my eyes. More difficult to find. Can immediately take over the thread Excellent manipulation skills on Town for miss lynches (especially when we have weak Townies like me who can be easily lynched). Group 2 Don´t fear me that much when one of them is scum easier to catch less manipulation more obvious scum play and reveals easier for me.
Weird
What old game?
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On March 10 2024 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if cake and dmb backed off cause I have a gun
If that was true, what would that make them?
But I don't think so
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I would absolutely be OK with allowing editing of that picture as has been proposed at some point. I think we should do it
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On March 10 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 11:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 11:24 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 11:20 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 11:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 10 2024 11:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 11:12 marvellosity wrote:
So DMB is mafia then why?? I shouldn’t be playing tbh. I will try to phrase better. If Vivax is mafia and he claims jk early day 1 he risks being counterclaimed. 1 for 1 is terrible trade. Why would he do this? thats what I try to figure out. How it would make sense him doeing that as mafia You know him. You know if he is mafia then why would he risk claiming Jk when he might be counterclaimed. Give me your best guess if you believe that. What is the gain for Vivax as mafia there? I don´t know!!! I just hate his hole play on D2. He play not this stupid as Town!!! Can you explain it to me? Pls explain how I lost my Townie thoughts on him? I don´t know it either and it fucking disturbs me. Are you with him? Do you know what he is? Are you two teammates? How is the weather in your mafia discord? ? That isn’t an answer. Take a step back and answer my question again. You can’t call Vivax mafia unless you can answer my question I called Vivax mafia because his hole Day 2 is just a fucking shit show compared to his usuall Town games. but what bothers me is that I still don´t believe he could claim jk as mafia. It´s just tooo fucking risky. Day 2 is just so shit that I have to consider him as potential scum
I don't understand how anyone would change their read on DMB from scum to town over this. Not saying it makes her scum, but if you assume she can think this bad logic as town, you should assume she also can as scum. I'm not seeing anything that couldn't be reproduced
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Nice
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On March 10 2024 12:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:07 iamperfection wrote:
and do you want to play some host wifom DP Sure. wouldnt worry about the edit if meat was mafia?
? What kind of reasonning is that lol
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On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
Is it a requirement to fake a dumbtell at least once this game or what. It's like a challenge I was not aware of
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On March 10 2024 12:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:18 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:07 iamperfection wrote:
and do you want to play some host wifom DP Sure. wouldnt worry about the edit if meat was mafia? ? What kind of reasonning is that lol next level thinking
So next level it wraps back to the stupid side
If you push it further too, Grack ignored the first request by Jealous too back when it was first called out, and only granted it after the talk came back right now
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On March 10 2024 12:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town points for DP btw why What you mean? the shoot makes you town for me wow how could have come to such a conclusion Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes. Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred.
Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon
With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO
Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO
BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves
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On March 10 2024 12:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town points for DP btw why What you mean? the shoot makes you town for me wow how could have come to such a conclusion Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes. Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred. Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves
With Vivax having to be RB though, I guess DP couldn't keep the shot actually. But could have killed the scummiest townie
I guess it would have been me lol
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We mislynched 2 townies D1 and still have 3 free mislynches. Pretty hard game to lose ...
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With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless)
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Also. I caught TTS D1
(yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol)
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Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day
I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
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On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it. Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
Didn't expect this. I was expecting either "super angry, will post a lot defending myself and OMGUSing" or "plain afk" from scum!CopCake, or "being angry but still trying to solve the game" from CopCake
Don't really know what to make of it
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Really don't like the posts from CopCake this cycle. It might be bad enough to make me think she's scum. Seemlingly giving up / martyring, but posted a lot about roles, setups, nothing towards her reads or who is scum ... the only read is that I'm town, so it feels a little bad writing all this ... Sorry if you're town CC
But I want to reread how she acted after being red checked as scum in the game where we were scum together
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On March 11 2024 12:22 Vivax wrote:
There’s at least 5 players who just blatantly don’t put any genuine effort into the game: VE, Rels. To a lesser extent Palmar, copcake, dmb
It’s more probable they are just all town simply cause they can’t all be scum.
They just don’t give a shit. Oats gave a shit, TTS hid among them.
Fuck you. I've put hours of work most days, even at night / during D2 where the lynch was decided in advance. Just because my schedule doesn't match most of the rest of the town doesn't mean I'm not putting genuine effort
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On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum.
I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this
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Literally 3 seconds apart lol
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Behavior is somewhat different in the game we were scum together, but the mindset might be similar. After being red checked, it was mainly repeating the same defense and pleas, tha'ts where it's different (this game today, she's more focused on mechanics / blue actions / etc.). But it was without a real objective, so posting to be posting - that's the way for which the mindset could be similar.
That being said, I found a martyring post there too, after HF faked a red check on her (before the actual red check)
On September 08 2022 03:57 CopCake wrote:
I am so frustrated because I am vanilla town and I literally can't understand why the fuck HF is confirmed town NOW when he has claimed two roles, for the "moves", putting me in danger in case there is a town vig, now that he is a "VET" so he doesn't have a check, ughhhh
THIS IS SO BULLSHIT
TOWN IS GOING TO LOSE because you listen to a vocal person and do not follow the FACTS of the game.
AGHHHHHHHHHH
On September 08 2022 03:57 CopCake wrote:
Lynch me whatever, fuck this bullshit.
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On March 11 2024 12:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh. I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are. To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest. Go do you, playboy.
Yeah I can see this
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If Vivax is scum, I'm putting the blame on role balance (assuming all blues have claimed)
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On March 11 2024 12:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this DP himself gave me advice to claim other roles as vet in a postgame. If he fakeclaimed he should be open about it otherwise he‘s just giving himself an out for having survived for so long.
Am I wrong in thinking I can probably find 10 games where you claimed a random role at night that wasn't real, with the idea of messing around with the scumteam?
I might be mistaken on this assertion on you in particular - in my mind, you're the type of player that would do it easily, maybe I'm wrong. But I'm sure one could find at least 50 instances of it happening throughout the years if we added everytime it happened for every player
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Hell I could probably just go through HF games and find the 50 instances lol
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On March 11 2024 12:46 CopCake wrote:
Evil Rels 😝 but I cant hate the french charm.
You have made analysis of our scum game before to deffend me but just NOW you decided to use it to say I am scum?
Yeah I'm sorry if I'm wrong. The way you've played today is really scummy in my opinion
What's your game view? Will VE flip scum?
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On March 11 2024 12:47 CopCake wrote:
Are there nice GF/LF deserts on France?
You have to buy me one.
Macarons?
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On March 11 2024 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter.
But it‘s beneficial as scum.Rayn, marv, Sandro took precedence over you in the NKs too. This town can flip Ve and copcake for all I care. This is just flat out wrong in this circumstance. there is an obvious reason for me to claim there. You don‘t want to be NKd? Still got your shot off so it wouldn‘t have mattered. Marv dies over claimed gunsmith because he‘s in your pocket would be my guess. Why would I kill him if he is in my pocket, and in a world where I am mafia, him being alive covers me being alive no?
He's talking about JSL not dying because he's in your pocket
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On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
Any pointer to a game where you had that behavior as town?
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Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is
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On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.
I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam
Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax
The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
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On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude?
On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling
On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think?
On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does
On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
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On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure
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Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!
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Going to take a look at VE and go to bed
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Well, that was quick lol. 2 posts since I last posted
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VE is basically claiming scum? They should still be the lynch today over CC IMO
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Thanks
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My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol
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On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night.
Obvious is different from 100% sure
Why not go for the 100% plan
I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked?
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On March 11 2024 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum?
??????
Why do you scumread me because I seemingly abandoned my Palmar read, when it was in my filter, and not particularly hidden (as seen there, it's 4 posts in a row)?
To answer the last bit, just posted my pre-sleep list post, good timing
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On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now.
I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too
I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here.
Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake?
Totally agree on MZ
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On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
???
Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town?
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On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so.
I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB.
But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it?
The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example.
On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out.
So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie?
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Why is VE town, apart from "this game is too easy"?
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On March 11 2024 13:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:51 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town” ??? Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town? Go sleep, you have interviews, gonna answer this maybe later.
Thanks, this game is fucking addictive when you finally have some flips lol
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On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered.
Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum
I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back)
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On March 11 2024 14:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so. I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB. But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it? The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example. On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out. So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie? I‘d rather have you see what makes Mz and jealous mafia. And I wrote why
If you want my take before I go to sleep, link or quote?
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On March 11 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm
Found this on Jealous, pretty stupid logic TBH? The easy way for scum when there are clear wagons that you can't control is to AFK. Of course activity doesn't make him town by itself (I actually think he could be scum!!!), but scumreading him for that???
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On March 08 2024 11:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 11:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:00 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point. Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip. Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't? I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/ I literally talked about this exact thing this morning. MZ here is doing what marv said mafia would be doing. He assumes Oats is redchecked. Ezpz. Then he points out how a group of players is not doing what marv said scum would be doing and says he suspects them. Then he calls marv suspicious for pointing it out. So in MZ world marv is mafia and his teammates are all doing the opposite of what marv said they would do and MZ thinks he found something yet he does exactly what marv said a mafia would be doing and says Oats is the only logical choice.
You think MZ doubts and attitude towards the D2 lynch was scummy? The full of doubts and changing is mind, etc.? That's crazy to me
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On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough.
Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday
Was actually 2 days ago
On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them?
On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr
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Yeah Vivax I got your position and I agree, you actually put into words something I also kind of felt
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On March 11 2024 14:21 Rels wrote:
Yeah Vivax I got your position and I agree, you actually put into words something I also kind of felt
This is very unclear lol, so rephrased:
"Yeah JSL, I got your position on Vivax and I agree"
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On March 11 2024 11:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Thoughts on Rels: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Ok good start here, him calling out hesitancy is good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote:
BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor Vivax dumb but should be mayor, pretty common sentiment. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? Defends VE against Iamp, interesting that he’s saying he doesn’t see the insecurity in VE while he does see the hesitancy in TTS. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Another defense of VE He actually goes back and forth with sandroba and rayn here a bit on VE, the strangest part for me is that he doesn’t want to straight up townread VE, he just “doesn’t understand why VE is scum” He says DMB is the second worse filter after TTS. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now So Trfel’s initial posts were scummy but now he’s town. It will be interesting to see where Rel’s vote ends up. Calls Koshi very townie Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 12:20 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion "I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category? Starts to evolve towards a scumread on VE. This is a full 7 hours after the initial discussions he had with rayn and sandroba. He then makes 3 posts in a row to call Palmar scum, I’m gonna hold judgement of this until I’ve reread Palmar as well. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game Still likes Trfel Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. No red flags on JAT. Finishes the day at Palmar JAT No Trfel But his vote ends on JAT since nobody was on Palmar. At this point the vote was 8-5 for Trfel, only rayn was left on Palmar. I can’t really fault him for this because this was the same reason I ended up on JAT. Next he calls cake really townie Votes Oats Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:44 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though Calls JAT’s case trash but then says JAT looks good for N1 After catching up with the thread he reinforces that JAT is town. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 13:08 Rels wrote:VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one. On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing. LOL at this too not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath. (makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes) On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince. Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. Several people had keyed in on this early but Rels did that weird soft defense thing where he refused to call VE town but called into question the people who were bringing up valid points. TR’s Marv, DP, CC, Marv again (lol), Koshi, and probably me and JAT Calls cake town again Like Iamp’s post calling VE, TTS, and Palmar scum Not a fan of DMB Once again, scum team of Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats Koshi supertown Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Ok now we’re at a post I really hated and pinged me hard. After not really being around and contributing to the conversation about Oat, Rels jumps in a quotes himself to try and show he was scumreading Oats early, no townie feels the need to draw attention to this sort of thing, and if we look back through the rest of Rel’s regular scumreads, it’s only ever been Palmar and VE (after he evolved his read). Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:38 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder. LOL Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once Maybe a little self congratulatory TMI here? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote:
I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it Keeps scrambling for that town cred Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:43 Rels wrote:Also. I caught TTS D1 (yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol) Pat yourself on the back again. So in my mind, scum has probably known VE is a lost cause since D2, hence why I still have suspicions about individuals who pushed for VE over Oats yesterday. With that said, the refusal to call VE town while weirdly defending him really sticks out to me in Rel’s filter, and then after it becomes clear lots of people are scumreading VE he jumps right in. He’s also got a lot of townreads which is easy for scum, he’s strangely single tracked on Palmar and VE being scum. Despite not listing TTS or Oats in any of his regular reads lists (he does include Oats in one after Oats got red checked lol), he’s more than happy to jump up and claim credit in the one or two posts where he mentions he finds them suspicious. Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here: Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous? He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town. I think Rels is my missing scum, I feel a lot more comfortable Palmar is town now since aside from VE, Rels hasn’t actually gone after anyone I would consider scum, instead he’s TR’d lots of people and tried to claim credit on the flipped scum so far.
Caught up the part I missed yesterday, and I was actually cased by MZ loool. Apparently totally ignored since I didn't see any quote or reference to it when I was playing yesterday
So the main points are:
"Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. "
First, I never "defended" VE like you write in the post. I probed to understand why he was scumread because I didn't understand it.
In the post you're quoting where I scumread it, did you miss that it was after VE came back to the thread and posted a bunch? Why is it weird that my read evolves from null to scum after VE posts things that I find scummy? HOW is it a discrepancy?
Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here:
He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town.
Already discussed yesterday, how the fuck did you miss those posts if you went through my filter with enough attention to post a quote a bunch of my posts and case me?
On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
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On March 11 2024 13:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum? ?????? Why do you scumread me because I seemingly abandoned my Palmar read, when it was in my filter, and not particularly hidden (as seen there, it's 4 posts in a row)? To answer the last bit, just posted my pre-sleep list post, good timing
I thought this was weird yesterday, but how the fuck did you miss it while going through my entire filter and writing an entire case on me?
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On March 11 2024 15:49 CopCake wrote:
So think about it a little bit Jacob.
If town DP didnt get blocked by mafia is because
1.- two of the three candidates were town
I already countered this yesterday, DP said he was going to shoot most of the game yesterday, not just TTS / you / DMB.
WHY THE FUCK did you go over 50 pages DP, WE CANT FILTER YOU ALL ANYMORE
On March 09 2024 12:13 DarthPunk wrote:
yeah slam, wifom only at this point.
Im shooting palmar btw.
On March 09 2024 12:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:
so wait a sec they cant stop us from getting an action off they would have to choose assuming they have a roleblock.
Vivax jails either Jacob or Slam. If they dont roleblock vivax they risk not getting a kill off on one of them. If they do roleblock dp gets a shot off. Which is why I am shooting DMB.
On March 09 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:
I guess I have to shoot Rels tonight.
On March 09 2024 13:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:56 Vivax wrote:
But he could be mafia with VE in which case it‘d have been townier to just switch around instead of autopilot.
Knowing VE‘s alignment would help a lot. Which is why I am shooting VE.
That's the ones I found just quickly searching for "shoot". Interestingly I didn't find posts on TTS (this one he said for sure at some point, maybe during D2 instead of N2) and you.
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By your logic, Palmar VE and I are also town then right?
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On March 11 2024 15:56 DarthPunk wrote:
oop, I hit 10000 posts. :D
Congratz
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On March 11 2024 18:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck! Good luck friend. Hope you get both, and they have to tripple your salary outbidding the other company.
Thanks :D
One went well, the other got rescheduled to tomorrow, I literally have 4 interviews tomorrow now lol
And it's the opposite, I got a dream position right now working for a big tech company, until now it was OK to work from Montréal, but with the stupid return to office policies, I would have to move to a hub like Vancouver or Toronto or Seattle to continue like I am today, or I'll get laid off ... but I don't want to move, so I'm interviewing the few teams that are on Montréal ... not a lot of options so it's make or break!
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
I don't agree that it makes Koshi scum, but maybe not a bad post? Quickly checked the facts at least and it seems to be true
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On March 12 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 09:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 18:48 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck! Good luck friend. Hope you get both, and they have to tripple your salary outbidding the other company. Thanks :D One went well, the other got rescheduled to tomorrow, I literally have 4 interviews tomorrow now lol And it's the opposite, I got a dream position right now working for a big tech company, until now it was OK to work from Montréal, but with the stupid return to office policies, I would have to move to a hub like Vancouver or Toronto or Seattle to continue like I am today, or I'll get laid off ... but I don't want to move, so I'm interviewing the few teams that are on Montréal ... not a lot of options so it's make or break! RTO is fucking cancer. #foreverremote
100%
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On March 11 2024 20:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Our mayor Vivax is Town from what I can tell. He's super duper active, he correctly called out Oats D1 which, jeez. If you're not only running for mayor inviting scrutiny upon yourself but you're also calling out your Framer and calling for his death D1 AS MAFIA, Vivax you've got bigger balls than I have ever given you credit for.
The switch to me on D2 feels like a townie reaction to a too easy lynch because of a check. Exacerbated by older heads saying that I'm mafia in the bargain. I don't think it's telling in Vivax case - he doesn't like, say Oats is town or give reasons for wanting to lynch me. I could do without the misogyny, but that doesn't make him mafia.
So cool. The protected guy is town. Yipee. I guess. On to.....*sigh*...Palmar. At least it won't take long?
????
Why do you need to towncase Vivax?
Looks like a "putting some effort into an useless conclusion" post
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On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
Regardless of your Palmar case, I find it very, very weird that you didn't start with CopCake. That's obviously the logical play. I don't know if it's AI but it's bothering me
There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia.
So it does it as both alignements, yet you use it as a point to make him scum?
Apart from that, very generic case, the only specific example is this:
There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here.
Very meh. Maybe it's worst in reality, but the way you describe it doesn't make anyone scum. Without you quoting the post, it's hard to know.
On March 09 2024 16:35 Palmar wrote:
So Koshi is probably lock town for his towncase on Oats on day 1.
Guy made a towncase on mafia and attacked me for maybe thinking Oats is scum.
This post right? Seems like a reasonable read to me? Lock town might be a touch strong.
Looking for Koshi I see he expanded his reasonning later:
On March 12 2024 00:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 23:53 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:49 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
Palamr ignored the shit show of last night because he is mafia. So I support this. Plus added benefit that marv is wrong which is always nice. I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game Good analysis. I only read and talk about stuff I'm interested in. Speculation on what mafia does is not one of those things. I can't control mafia and I can't know the setup, so I literally do not care about any discussion about it. Don´t worry right know I prefer to look in the filters from Koshi and Reels at the moment. I'm sceptical about their aligment more then yours. Koshi is in the tinfoil pile, you should probably not waste much time looking into him because we're not lynching him today. He is unpredictable, and he thinks I'm town so maybe he's mafia. But, koshi could not have known I would pussy out of calling Oats mafia, and there was absolutely some serious push towards Oats getting lynched on day 1. This includes Vivax the mayor talking about it. The chances of Koshi making that towncase on Oats as a fellow mafia member is pretty low. It exists, and if anyone is ballsy enough to pull it off it might actually be koshi, but as I stated, we're not at the state of the game where we need to be lynching people who have objective reasons to call them town, and Koshi is in that category.
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Oh but looking at timestamps, the latest post is after VE's case.
But, meh case from VE. It hinges on ONE post on Palmar that I don't think makes Palmar anything, and the rest is generic fluff.
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On March 12 2024 00:31 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:29 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 00:27 CopCake wrote:
I wouldnt mind Palmar lynch or Rels lynch, mostly because it would give ME perspectives.
But cake stop with your scenarios.
Cant forgive Tfrel got lynched out of thin air. But you have do see that Trfl was really good in his last Town game and almost knew the hole mafia team at an early start. I think people fear him as mafia when he plays that good as town. Exactly, that is what I think. There was probs mafia about to be lynched and someone pulled the shenanigans of lynch him with JAT. Idr who was the counterwagon of Palmar, need to recheck but TFREL NEVER FORGET
Hey cake, it was Palmar => JAT > Trfel => maybe shennannies on DMB but never serious => Trfel
With that info, who is the scum that was about to be lynched in your mind?
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Mm, I think I like the Cop / DMB back & forth that begins [here](https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=332#6630), and finally end up with a new read from Cake ...
On March 12 2024 01:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote:
MZ + Oats votes make a lot of sense if they're both on mafia JAT and teamed with him.
PR votes I think is the opposite, Oats voted JAT when JAT was not in danger then changed to DMB when JAT was not in danger and then back to JAT when HE was in danger. Like, he could just fuck off and leave the vote on DMB. It was hard for JAT to catch up Tfrel.
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Yeah I like it from CopCake perspective ...
DMB doesn't do much though, and the only analysis she does might actualyl be partner indicate:
On March 12 2024 00:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:39 CopCake wrote:The vote count is not the one vivax posted but post number 67, which is this On March 06 2024 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (6) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
ToTheStars (3): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
VisceraEyes (1): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
DarthPunk (0) : raynpelikoneet
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 6 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
tothestars was obv. mafia but the problem is when we would have lynched him we don´t get any information about his teammates. I liked it better that dp just shoot him instead of wasting time for a lynch. Voting on TTS as mafia would be safe but really voting on a teammate for the first lynch? When there is the chance to lynch a Town out? I doubt that
TTS was not "obv mafia" at the end of D1, he was a regular lurker with one somewhat scummy post. Remembering him as obv mafia EOD1 might mean DMB is a partner
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On March 12 2024 01:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 01:42 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 01:28 CopCake wrote:
##vote: palmar Do I dare ask why? Votes. You were saved. Oatmaster never dared to put a single vote on you to even look “townier” and most of the votes you had were made by town (rayn, etc)
Another new analysis there ...
I didn't like CopCake yesterday when she was martyring and basically flooding the thread with nonsense that had nothing to do with reads, but I like this
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On March 12 2024 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like why would I have ever posted anything when this is what it gets? Literally ignored. I already fucking knew, I shouldn't have even tried. I'm fucking exhausted, work is going to be fucking awful tonight, but I tried. I'm a fucking idiot.
Sorry if you're town, I know the feeling. You should have started at CopCake alignement and go from there ...
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On March 12 2024 10:26 DarthPunk wrote:
What’s your conclusion Rels? Are we mislynching here?
Is Cake leading? If yes, maybe. I hate the OMGUS and the first part of D3, but she always comes back to the thread, and this time she came back with actual new thoughts ...
Will finish catching up and see
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But from where I am in my catching up, VE should 100% be the lynch. The only post I didn't dislike was the Koshi case, but apart from that, textbook scum. Come back with a few big posts at the best time to not waste effort, during the last half of the day. Write cases that sound good but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Martyr and GTFO
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JAT had the exact same thoughts I have on the 3 VE cases. Probably warrants some townpoints
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On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw.
Really disagree with this TBH. Anyone would be hard to lynch when compared to VE
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On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote:
Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored.
If you're town and he isn't, that's exactly why he did this TBH. Easy townpoints
Really disagree that he put effort into his readings - very surface level reads that hinges on a few posts
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In the game I keep comparing her to, she went into the lynch with only "lynch HF"
This really feels like a real world view
On March 12 2024 06:55 CopCake wrote:
It is ok.
I have to go to sleep but FACTS if I die
- Gunguy should consider at least DMB, me and VE town if he is town. No way mafia allows a shot to happen or take the opportunity to kill a big boi player.
- He is not 100% confirmed. I think it was mentioned by someone before but it could be he is mafia vig that got blocked when jailkeeper vivax protected him. This is like a slim chance and only consider it if - the big boi - is alive next time. I mean he has a bullet proof vest.
- I do not want VE lynched next day if I get lynched. I do believe he is town.
- I think DMB is town, also Jacob town.
- Vote movement makes me believe that JAT is town.
- Vivax is town for open eyes.
That is where I am at.
Good night.
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I think you should switch to VE. In addition to him just being scum, I don't think CopCake is
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Both wagons voting for themselves is kind of ridiculous lol
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On March 12 2024 10:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 10:45 Rels wrote:
I think you should switch to VE. In addition to him just being scum, I don't think CopCake is do you think there is any possibility they are both scum?
For sure, my reads on them are totally independant. The town and scum points I have on them have no basis on the other
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I don't know if CopCake puts that much effort into a today as scum just to finish being lynched. Granted, the first 24 hours looked really really bad, enough to make me change my read to a scumread. She martyred, left the thread, etc. But she still came back and actually did some novel analysis that I could see coming from her town thinking. I don't see the mafia motivation behind her new reads during the last half of the day
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On March 12 2024 10:54 iamperfection wrote:
go big or go home
🤞
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2 minutes ... really hope we see red ...
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really, really hope CopCake doesn't turn out to be scum
I don't really know what this means for the game ... I guess we'll see tomorrow with a fresh mind
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On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last
Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.
It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.
I wonder. Now that VE flipped scum, her insistence on calling VE town looks like TMI to me
If CopCake is scum, then DMB has to be town too. That's the 2 players she's treated as confirmed town throughout the last day
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On March 12 2024 20:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 17:29 Koshi wrote:
CC has been center of attention so cba to talk about her anymore. The selfvote sits bad and the fact she TOWNREADS VE is completely bananas. But if it makes her mafia. Pffffffffff It’s tmi.
Fuck
Yeah
It probably was
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On March 13 2024 03:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please. I think he is town.
Why?
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On March 13 2024 10:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah but did VE have tmi on cc? He didn't vote for her when he was on the line either?
He didn't, from the Palmar case:
On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
And after:
On March 11 2024 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 21:07 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective. I am not mafia cool boy. But so many people say you are, and the majority are NEVER wrong are they? I just want you to be, i have no opinion on whether you are or not until I filter you. I'm not confirmation biased, just desire biased. I'll make you a deal though. If I think you're town after reading, I won't join my vote with the rest of the people countering my wagon. I'll vote for someone I think is mafia. Deal?
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On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that.
I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day
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On March 13 2024 06:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote:
I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so. Why?
??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2.
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Meh
Despite all the good arguments, I really don't think Palmar dumbtells twice in the same post
Maybe that's stupid and I'll look stupid, but that's too much
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On March 13 2024 10:28 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that. I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.
100% agree, don't really think I can make Koshi anything with that piece of info. But still super surprised
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On March 12 2024 09:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 11:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Thoughts on Rels: On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Ok good start here, him calling out hesitancy is good. On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote:
BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor Vivax dumb but should be mayor, pretty common sentiment. On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? Defends VE against Iamp, interesting that he’s saying he doesn’t see the insecurity in VE while he does see the hesitancy in TTS. On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum Another defense of VE He actually goes back and forth with sandroba and rayn here a bit on VE, the strangest part for me is that he doesn’t want to straight up townread VE, he just “doesn’t understand why VE is scum” He says DMB is the second worse filter after TTS. On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now So Trfel’s initial posts were scummy but now he’s town. It will be interesting to see where Rel’s vote ends up. Calls Koshi very townie On March 05 2024 12:20 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion "I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category? Starts to evolve towards a scumread on VE. This is a full 7 hours after the initial discussions he had with rayn and sandroba. He then makes 3 posts in a row to call Palmar scum, I’m gonna hold judgement of this until I’ve reread Palmar as well. On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Vote Trfel JAT Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game Still likes Trfel On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. No red flags on JAT. Finishes the day at Palmar JAT No Trfel But his vote ends on JAT since nobody was on Palmar. At this point the vote was 8-5 for Trfel, only rayn was left on Palmar. I can’t really fault him for this because this was the same reason I ended up on JAT. Next he calls cake really townie Votes Oats On March 07 2024 12:44 Rels wrote:On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though Calls JAT’s case trash but then says JAT looks good for N1 After catching up with the thread he reinforces that JAT is town. On March 07 2024 13:08 Rels wrote:VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one. On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing. LOL at this too not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath. (makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes) On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince. Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. Several people had keyed in on this early but Rels did that weird soft defense thing where he refused to call VE town but called into question the people who were bringing up valid points. TR’s Marv, DP, CC, Marv again (lol), Koshi, and probably me and JAT Calls cake town again Like Iamp’s post calling VE, TTS, and Palmar scum Not a fan of DMB Once again, scum team of Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats Koshi supertown On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Ok now we’re at a post I really hated and pinged me hard. After not really being around and contributing to the conversation about Oat, Rels jumps in a quotes himself to try and show he was scumreading Oats early, no townie feels the need to draw attention to this sort of thing, and if we look back through the rest of Rel’s regular scumreads, it’s only ever been Palmar and VE (after he evolved his read). On March 09 2024 12:38 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder. LOL Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once Maybe a little self congratulatory TMI here? On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote:
I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it Keeps scrambling for that town cred On March 10 2024 12:43 Rels wrote:Also. I caught TTS D1 (yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol) Pat yourself on the back again. So in my mind, scum has probably known VE is a lost cause since D2, hence why I still have suspicions about individuals who pushed for VE over Oats yesterday. With that said, the refusal to call VE town while weirdly defending him really sticks out to me in Rel’s filter, and then after it becomes clear lots of people are scumreading VE he jumps right in. He’s also got a lot of townreads which is easy for scum, he’s strangely single tracked on Palmar and VE being scum. Despite not listing TTS or Oats in any of his regular reads lists (he does include Oats in one after Oats got red checked lol), he’s more than happy to jump up and claim credit in the one or two posts where he mentions he finds them suspicious. Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here: On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous? He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town. I think Rels is my missing scum, I feel a lot more comfortable Palmar is town now since aside from VE, Rels hasn’t actually gone after anyone I would consider scum, instead he’s TR’d lots of people and tried to claim credit on the flipped scum so far. Caught up the part I missed yesterday, and I was actually cased by MZ loool. Apparently totally ignored since I didn't see any quote or reference to it when I was playing yesterday So the main points are: Show nested quote +"Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. " First, I never "defended" VE like you write in the post. I probed to understand why he was scumread because I didn't understand it. In the post you're quoting where I scumread it, did you miss that it was after VE came back to the thread and posted a bunch? Why is it weird that my read evolves from null to scum after VE posts things that I find scummy? HOW is it a discrepancy? Show nested quote + Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here:
He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town. Already discussed yesterday, how the fuck did you miss those posts if you went through my filter with enough attention to post a quote a bunch of my posts and case me? Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
On March 12 2024 09:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:38 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum? ?????? Why do you scumread me because I seemingly abandoned my Palmar read, when it was in my filter, and not particularly hidden (as seen there, it's 4 posts in a row)? To answer the last bit, just posted my pre-sleep list post, good timing I thought this was weird yesterday, but how the fuck did you miss it while going through my entire filter and writing an entire case on me?
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On March 13 2024 10:31 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:
unless he's scum and someone else on his team got it but can't/don't want to handle the heat of talking 1:1 withs someone or claiming in thread that they can't be assed what do you mean? just not use it then ???
Yeah that's the far fetched part, but basically, the fact that it was not claimed made in my mind some people more likely to be scum that got the role and didn't want to deal with it. But I think I'm dropping this reasonning entirely
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On March 13 2024 10:31 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:24 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 06:10 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote:
I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so. Why? ??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2. Well dp hit scum with his shot so obviously dp is now likely town what kinda a question is that?
In the world of CopCake, she and DMB are confirmed town because DP said he was going to shoot them N2 and wasn't roleblocked.
Checking DP's posts, he also mentioned he would shoot Palmar VE and I
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Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario
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On March 13 2024 10:37 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:34 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:31 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 13 2024 10:24 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 06:10 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote:
I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so. Why? ??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2. Well dp hit scum with his shot so obviously dp is now likely town what kinda a question is that? In the world of CopCake, she and DMB are confirmed town because DP said he was going to shoot them N2 and wasn't roleblocked. Checking DP's posts, he also mentioned he would shoot Palmar VE and I I think she's come around. This strikes me as trying to make cc paranoid we should all be glad her reasoning around this has changed unless you personally believe dp is scum?
?? The logic is extremely stupid, I don't buy it for a second. I talked a lot of about why Vivax HAD to be roleblocked
But CopCake believed it vehemently during D3, why would she drop it? I would bet that at least 30 posts are dedicated to defending this theory. She was also right in her world view, VE was a target and he flipped town!
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On March 13 2024 10:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario you dont think palmar ?
Let me reread THE post
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The dumbtells are in bold
Does it really post this as scum? Especially DMB was pushed for a seemingly forced dumbtell earlier?
I have a hard time seeing this. I know it's a little dumb but I really do
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On March 13 2024 10:41 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:39 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario you dont think palmar ? Let me reread THE post jacob put some good effort in go read it again. i added some of my own things in my list post.
Oops, not the same post :p
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On March 13 2024 10:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:43 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The dumbtells are in bold Does it really post this as scum? Especially DMB was pushed for a seemingly forced dumbtell earlier? I have a hard time seeing this. I know it's a little dumb but I really do what are you saying that he didnt pick up that jacob had claimed gunsmith?
As town that's the explanation yeah
As scum, it's impossible he doesn't know IMO, it would be talked about in their Discord. So as scum, that's an intentional dumbtell
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On March 12 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:In the game I keep comparing her to, she went into the lynch with only "lynch HF" This really feels like a real world view Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:55 CopCake wrote:
It is ok.
I have to go to sleep but FACTS if I die
- Gunguy should consider at least DMB, me and VE town if he is town. No way mafia allows a shot to happen or take the opportunity to kill a big boi player.
- He is not 100% confirmed. I think it was mentioned by someone before but it could be he is mafia vig that got blocked when jailkeeper vivax protected him. This is like a slim chance and only consider it if - the big boi - is alive next time. I mean he has a bullet proof vest.
- I do not want VE lynched next day if I get lynched. I do believe he is town.
- I think DMB is town, also Jacob town.
- Vote movement makes me believe that JAT is town.
- Vivax is town for open eyes.
That is where I am at.
Good night.
Regret posting this so much. I called that a world view because she was talking about more than 1 player, but outside of the VE/DMB/CopCake trio, it's only JAT that's not a blue role. Meeeeh
"also Jacob town"? "Vivax is town"? Meeeh
Fuck
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Meeeeeh
VE was so scummy though. Objectively the better lynch, objectively the textbook scum play of being active only when it matters during the last 24 hours, and martyring when it doesn't work
Annoying
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On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint.
You have my interest, why?
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On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense.
Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p
Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed
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##Vote CopCake
Let me atone for my sins
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On March 13 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:
lol I totally forgot about the changes to the deadline, was just about to write out my reads and then it didn't matter.
Do you know I got that little feeling of unease when I didn't see a big post from you? Lol
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On March 13 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:She has a huge filter though, weren't you the one to raise that initially?
Yes. Pretty full of the same points repeated over and over though
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On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake
Yeah I didn't see anything greatly anti-partner indicative in my recollection. I might be wrong
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On March 13 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:
I’m not sure I can take this game seriously at this point. Feels like a con.
Voted MZ.
I promise a full reread on MZ tomorrow. Don't have the will and energy to do it right now, will go to sleep pretty soon
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On March 13 2024 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:08 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 11:03 Rels wrote:
##Vote CopCake
Let me atone for my sins She has a huge filter though, weren't you the one to raise that initially? Yes. Pretty full of the same points repeated over and over though Well that was my initial point originally :/ that you refuted
I know. But I thought CopCake early game had a lot more ideas and theories, and that didn't really happen yesterday
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On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario Why does he default to copcake here ? I don’t think he’s mafia and I still don’t buy the progression from this.
Why is he? Me?
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On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:
He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all
I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread
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On March 13 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:
He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread Let me atone for my sins ? Sounds like confscum coming from you. Why do I think you are lying but town ?
This was just a jab towards me persuading iamperfection to switch yesterday, nothing to read there otherwise
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Anyway, sleep time for me. MZ I really want to understand your mindset on the scumpoints you had on me yesterday
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On March 13 2024 11:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:
He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread Let me atone for my sins ? Sounds like confscum coming from you. Why do I think you are lying but town ? This was just a jab towards me persuading iamperfection to switch yesterday, nothing to read there otherwise Or you are exploiting that DP wanted CC lynched so we don’t hit mafia in Mz and jealous ?
If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that
VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario
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On March 13 2024 14:02 CopCake wrote:
You are also calling me Mafia but want to push Palmar? Huh…
Btw I am catching up, I only checked if I havent died.
I believed I did because I got a pm but instead I got masoned, what a privilege!!
@Palmar did you receive a PM when you got masoned, or did you just get added to a Discord channel?
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On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc?
I can of course bus if needed, but my preferred strategy is to get my team town cred and control the lynch candidates to have the right number of potential mislynches to win the game. If I do bus, I tend to do it hard
Actually got some proof I knew I had posted this somewhere, this is from my scum Discord I had with rayn and CopCake (Chezinu Streak Mafia):
please rayn refrain your instincts to bus me :p I know you play scum like this. So actually if you play like this it's also OK I don't want to impose. But I think we have a real shot at becoming the thread deciders if we townread each other and have a good time in thread?
or if you attack me becuse you think I'll be lynched today or tomorrow, please push me hard so you can distance yourself :p but the kind of soft push you did (I don't really like you but Tube is worse etc) I think was pretty partner telling
maybe I'm overestimating the posts I just did :p so I guess it depends on how people reacts when they wake up while I sleep
I think I did a pretty good job!
but I also thought that D1 so ....
lol
anyway, good night!
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On March 14 2024 10:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc? Why doesn‘t he have any influence we have just done a 360 on all of his D1 reads. He doesn‘t play by presence. I’m asking for a meta read from you because you are confirmed town. Does Rels have correct reads and not actively push them? Is that something we could expect from him as town?
I can answer :p the more game the advance, the less you should see this
Having said that, kinda hard this game to actively convince peopel when the majority of the game is asleep when I can start playing
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On March 13 2024 14:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:
He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread Let me atone for my sins ? Sounds like confscum coming from you. Why do I think you are lying but town ? This was just a jab towards me persuading iamperfection to switch yesterday, nothing to read there otherwise Or you are exploiting that DP wanted CC lynched so we don’t hit mafia in Mz and jealous ? If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario Little TMI on her flip methinks? And that second paragraph is just massive WIFOM. Rel’s flip from literally calling CC town yesterday to immediately trying to lynch her today is unbelievable and reinforcing my opinion she is town.
Weird conclusion if you're not pushing for me afterwards. It only makes CopCake town if I'm scum
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I see that my CopCake flipflop is catching some attention from several people. It's mainly the way she called VE clear town D3. Post flip when I had to reajust my world view, I couldn't get that out of my head. Nobody should have thought he was town with his play
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On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great MZ again Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow.
Not on bad post on Palmar TBH
Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips
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On March 13 2024 16:26 CopCake wrote:
Ok I waited for more posts but nothing happen and your least favorite pavlova needs to be out.
If you have questions go ahead.
is that a Bluey reference?
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On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.
How does that fit with this at deadline:
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat
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On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) [...] This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat
?????
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On March 14 2024 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 16:26 CopCake wrote:
Ok I waited for more posts but nothing happen and your least favorite pavlova needs to be out.
If you have questions go ahead.
is that a Bluey reference? I feel bad for cake cause she added it from me mentioning bluey last game we played together. But that was just a crumb I have never watched bluey before . Even though it’s Australian.
Lol yeah it's becoming a national pride right?
It's my kid favorite show. And TBH the only show she watches that's also enjoyable for me
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On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day
Why did you claim it?
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On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here.
"This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid"
(12 hours later)
"I'm mason"
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On March 14 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote:
Yahtzee from zero punctuation is a national symbol imho.
I used to watch him pretty religiously lol
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On March 13 2024 20:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:23 Rels wrote:
Cake having and pushing her theory that the whole scum team conspired D1 to kill Trfel because they were scared of him is really townie @Rels: I will finish with this quote. Come back to the light. If it is difficult read your d1 filter.
Yeah ... maybe ... why did she treat VE as confirmed town though ... it doesn't make sense
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On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over.
What post made you change your mind?
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On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way?
I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI
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On March 14 2024 11:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:
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How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum?
It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M...
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way? I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it.
Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum
After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it
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On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over. What post made you change your mind? as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today?????????
??? Who cares what I think about it? You're the one that said it would be a bad thing to claim, and then did it 12 hours later. That's what I'm pressing you on
I don't understand your answer. What do you mean, "as I wrote"? What post you wrote are you referring to?
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On March 14 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:15 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
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yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful.
I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example:
DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason
I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way? I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it. Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it Agree with all of this pretty much. If you are looking at cake, I would appreciate your take on the Cake/oats interactions. I tend to think its a bit much for scum theatre.
Also saw that she voted TTS very early ...
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On March 14 2024 11:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:
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This posts strikes me as really townie.
Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.
How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over. What post made you change your mind? as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today????????? There is nothing wrong with it. Then why is he asking that? You'll find Rel's perfect filter at the end of the rainbow. If you stay on it too long, goblins will jump out of your screen. So why is he asking usless question and playing dobby here. Pls master give me a sock and ask a real question were the answer matters. I thing you are scum. I call you scum. I vote you! And really you just try to turn it around and want to find reasons what make me scum? Okey go in my Filter and search, but there is for sure better stuff then this inside!!! What kind of move was that? just because I make Dp and Vivax think about your aligment you getting on me. SEARCH REAL REASONS PLS!!!!!!!!!!
??? Are you talking to me?
I didn't even know you scumread and voted me. Still not caught up
Now can you stop defending yourself / trying to imagine why I'm asking quesiton and just answer it?
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On March 14 2024 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:20 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:15 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:
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How does that fit with this at deadline:
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I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way? I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it. Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it Agree with all of this pretty much. If you are looking at cake, I would appreciate your take on the Cake/oats interactions. I tend to think its a bit much for scum theatre. Also saw that she voted TTS very early ... What do you make of that?
Will keep it in mind during reread. On its face slightly townie ofc, but it depends on how it was done
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On March 14 2024 04:39 Koshi wrote:First post by Palmar: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 13:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:06 Palmar wrote:
I wanna talk a little about VE.
I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH".
So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado.
If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case.
But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie.
Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line. Feel like palmar knew ve was town. The whole teach us a lesson part. No, I voted him. I thought he would flip mafia, because now I just have to accept he decided to behave like an ass for no reason. I just know that I don't know. This entire post is justifying killing him while waffling slightly on my behalf. Incidentally a lot of my very early game gut reads have been correct. Trfel town, Oats scum, VE town etc I feel like that's maybe an avenue for me to go back and think why I thought those things back then, but that's all just internal approach. By the way, we still have to lynch incorrectly 3 times in a row to lose, so no reason to panic. VE was always going to be lynch-bait and he for some reason didn't even try to help win the game. It's not a disaster. It's a taking out the trash lynch and we can easily approach tomorrow. Here's a thought, and somewhat of an internal process as well. I can't think of a single reason, I actually read VE's filter, to confidently say he's town. So I'm actually somewhat interested in why the people that didn't vote him didn't. I'm sure some of them just had a better read than I did, but I need to figure out the reasons because I'm also sure some of them had pretty shit reasons for it. Nothing in here where you see the wheels in his head turning after a shocking flip. Nothing. Mafiaaaaaa
Meeeh
Good post on Palmar
I think I'm getting around dropping my dumbtell thing on Palmar ... very unimpressive performance today, when I seemed happy yesterday that he was going to be pushed because it was going to solve the game apparently ...
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On March 14 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:17 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
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yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful.
I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example:
DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason
I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over. What post made you change your mind? as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today????????? ??? Who cares what I think about it? You're the one that said it would be a bad thing to claim, and then did it 12 hours later. That's what I'm pressing you on I don't understand your answer. What do you mean, "as I wrote"? What post you wrote are you referring to? #7864 You ask why i claimed #7871 I answer! #7872 you ask again what made me change my mind I already wrote it in #7871 it´s standing in the quotes as well. Sorry should i mark it for you from the quote in comic sans, capslook, pt/front size 5000, underline and make it shine like a rainbow?? this is not a word document sorry pas possible!
The "pas possible" made me laugh
Don't have enough time if you don't want to cooperate by linking or quoting the post that made you change your mind, will revisit later
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I'm at page 385 (10 to go!). JAT seems very reasonnable every time he posts, I can see why he would post this from a townie perspective in his posts. That's not a confirmed town point as I think he's a pretty good scum, but that's something. I also remember a few posts where we basically had the same thoughts. The reactions to the 3 VE cases come to mind, and I know they are others, can't remember them off the top of my head
Putting this out there since he's getting pushed
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On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:This is the read in which DP is town Night 1.- + Show Spoiler +-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died
Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.Night 2.- + Show Spoiler +-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. Night 3 + Show Spoiler +This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view. In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie. Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up. Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP." Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town. If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD? I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy. So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl - + Show Spoiler +Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit. So in conclusion: Koshi/Rels/Someone If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia. My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there. Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine) Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer. 🤷🏽♀️ They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads. It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that. I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here. Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations. The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them. I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread. Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats? Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?But then marv is mafia. Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck) So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn) And then TTS who could be anything. He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed. This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
Then we have these weird sequence Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. But when I questioned Rayn´s death Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats Hi cake, what is this? Oh my bad, I forgot. Why is rayns death important? We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi Then Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter. He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches. Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia. "Only because Sandroba" Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc. Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot? Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him. I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there. Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts. Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:
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Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town. She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town. If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top. Only if VE isnt mafia. Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch? I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything. He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good. He also has stuff like this: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia: I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB. Oats wanted to mayor Koshi Oats praised Koshi Ok I am tired so
##Vote: Koshi
Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course
Why is DMB cleared?
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@iamperfection
Commented on JAT just earlier
100% agree on this: "Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game"
MZ is on my reread list, I thought his D2 was super townie at the time so any scumpoints towards him would have to beat that
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On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:This is the read in which DP is town Night 1.- + Show Spoiler +-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died
Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.Night 2.- + Show Spoiler +-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. Night 3 + Show Spoiler +This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view. In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie. Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up. Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP." Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town. If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD? I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy. So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl - + Show Spoiler +Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit. So in conclusion: Koshi/Rels/Someone If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm? On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo) On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this. On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia. My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there. Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine) Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer. 🤷🏽♀️ They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads. It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that. I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here. Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations. The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them. I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread. Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats? On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?But then marv is mafia. Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him. On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck) So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn) And then TTS who could be anything. He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed. This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
Then we have these weird sequence On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. But when I questioned Rayn´s death On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats Hi cake, what is this? Oh my bad, I forgot. Why is rayns death important? We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi Then On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter. He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches. On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia. "Only because Sandroba" On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc. Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot? On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him. I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there. Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts. Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
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Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.
I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town. She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town. If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top. Only if VE isnt mafia. Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch? I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything. He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good. He also has stuff like this: On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia: I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB. Oats wanted to mayor Koshi Oats praised Koshi Ok I am tired so
##Vote: Koshi Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course Why is DMB cleared? look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.
Thanks for the spoiler!
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On March 14 2024 11:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:This is the read in which DP is town Night 1.- + Show Spoiler +-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed)
That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him.
-Slam checks Oats (Confirmed)
-Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so.
-Vivax Jailed DP
- Rayn died
- Sandro died
Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.Night 2.- + Show Spoiler +-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed)
- Vivax jails slam
- Slam dies
- Marv dies Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. Night 3 + Show Spoiler +This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view. In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie. Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up. Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP." Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town. If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD? I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy. So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl - + Show Spoiler +Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear,
Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what?
Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality.
Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
justanothertownie: He... exists?
Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements.
Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town.
Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit. So in conclusion: Koshi/Rels/Someone If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm? On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo) On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this. On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia. My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there. Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine) Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer. 🤷🏽♀️ They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads. It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that. I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here. Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations. The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them. I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread. Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats? On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?But then marv is mafia. Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him. On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck) So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn) And then TTS who could be anything. He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed. This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
Then we have these weird sequence On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. But when I questioned Rayn´s death On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats Hi cake, what is this? Oh my bad, I forgot. Why is rayns death important? We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi Then On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter. He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches. On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia. "Only because Sandroba" On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc. Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot? On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him. I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there. Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts. Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
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Doesn‘t that balance it out ?
Or your claim is fake.
I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town. She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town. If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top. Only if VE isnt mafia. Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch? I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything. He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good. He also has stuff like this: On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia: I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB. Oats wanted to mayor Koshi Oats praised Koshi Ok I am tired so
##Vote: Koshi Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course Why is DMB cleared? look like 20 min later its immediately dropped.
Loosk like she was convinced by JAT
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On March 14 2024 07:20 Palmar wrote:
I need Rels to come tell me MZ is still town in his mind, I cba reading the later pages of his filter.
The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules.
So what's your take on MZ regarding that last paragraph?
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On March 14 2024 08:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 08:13 Koshi wrote:
MZ has been on cc as well the entire time.
Somebody also told VE that he needed to look into cc and not Palmar after he looked into me.
Fml fml fml Rels, I think.
Yes
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On March 14 2024 08:55 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:15 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess? No still working, I maybe think CC is town now. If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol. He knew Trfel was town He knew TTS was mafia When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum So much correct shit in his filter. finally someone who see that there is something wrong with Reels filter. There is no way he could play like this as Town. He knows things that we don´t know, thats fucking serious.
Haha is that why you scumread me, because I've played too well :p
At least I wasn't calling VE town yesterday ...
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On March 14 2024 11:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 11:17 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:
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How does that fit with this at deadline:
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yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over. What post made you change your mind? as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today????????? ??? Who cares what I think about it? You're the one that said it would be a bad thing to claim, and then did it 12 hours later. That's what I'm pressing you on I don't understand your answer. What do you mean, "as I wrote"? What post you wrote are you referring to? #7864 You ask why i claimed #7871 I answer! #7872 you ask again what made me change my mind I already wrote it in #7871 it´s standing in the quotes as well. Sorry should i mark it for you from the quote in comic sans, capslook, pt/front size 5000, underline and make it shine like a rainbow?? this is not a word document sorry pas possible! The "pas possible" made me laugh Don't have enough time if you don't want to cooperate by linking or quoting the post that made you change your mind, will revisit later I already marked it in the quote when I answerd but of course a mole can´t see it. Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad.
But you replied to that post with:
On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
I don't understand how you could write such a long response detailing why it's wrong to claim, but then say the post you were replying to made you chagne your mind anyway
I know I shouldn't, but I really hate it. It looks like a reverse logic to me
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When is the Oats stuff you mentioned related to CC DP? I mean, which phase?
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CopCake early game is so townie. Her martyring in the first half of D3 and then the VE flip made me re evaluate, but rereading now I have a hard time believe she's scum
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On March 04 2024 15:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Oats and DP scum for scraping the bottom of the barrel?
Do either of you even have mayor picks of your own?
This is why I prefer Rayn, on like 5 posts, to either of you.
Yeesh.
Tothesky is some dude I have never seen before. Idk, I give Oats a pass for being new here? And not knowing the oh so called meta? Darth on the other hand, feels odd.
Weird post to make on a partner, so obviously partner indicative ...
On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late.
Not impossible vote early on a partner, but town points for being able to come with a new reasonning anyway (I had already posted mine earlier that she could have sheeped)
On March 05 2024 17:18 CopCake wrote:
Btw I am sorry but tue Vivax claim doesnt clear him 100%.
I agree that is insane and mostly town but
There is a chance of being the most amazing mafia move ever.
Those are iron guts.
I honestly drop my confident read of dumb, like i dont understand why vivax ca not do this as mafia, and she is so confident. That confidence of knowing he is not lying is what makes vivax townish in this scenario.
Like questioning stuff is what a town should do which is why I like Koshi and JAT.
Unlikely theory, when scum knows whether Vivax is town
Similar to the "DP is not conf town" mindset she still has
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia. My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there. Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine) Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer. 🤷🏽♀️ They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads. It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that. I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.
Crazy theory that the scum team conspired to kill Trfel
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Looking for why CopCake was townreading VE so much:
On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote:
Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored.
Meeeeeh
I don't really like that post. But I could see it coming from town
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On March 14 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:42 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 11:17 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 14 2024 10:49 Rels wrote:
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Why did you claim it? why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I? I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over. What post made you change your mind? as I wrote I don´t have to hide with the mason chat. even if somebody turns my words around and claims bullshit in the thread it´s bad for them as well and Dp rembering me that I may be a bit to parnoid about the mason So what is wrong about me telling Town that I am the mason of today????????? ??? Who cares what I think about it? You're the one that said it would be a bad thing to claim, and then did it 12 hours later. That's what I'm pressing you on I don't understand your answer. What do you mean, "as I wrote"? What post you wrote are you referring to? #7864 You ask why i claimed #7871 I answer! #7872 you ask again what made me change my mind I already wrote it in #7871 it´s standing in the quotes as well. Sorry should i mark it for you from the quote in comic sans, capslook, pt/front size 5000, underline and make it shine like a rainbow?? this is not a word document sorry pas possible! The "pas possible" made me laugh Don't have enough time if you don't want to cooperate by linking or quoting the post that made you change your mind, will revisit later I already marked it in the quote when I answerd but of course a mole can´t see it. On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. But you replied to that post with: On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment) As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) I don't understand how you could write such a long response detailing why it's wrong to claim, but then say the post you were replying to made you chagne your mind anyway I know I shouldn't, but I really hate it. It looks like a reverse logic to me uhh i think about what people are writing... uhhh thats so bad. like wtf are we talking about here. this whole conversation has convinced me and yes the post i replied to is part of it
It doesn't satisfy me lol. But I think like the Palmar dumbtell stuff, I have to drop it. Probably doesn't make you anything
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Oh yeah, Oats went from scumread to townread on CopCake for butting heads with DP. Didn't make sense IMO, CopCake didn't look good in that interaction. If that's what you mean DP, then yeah, I can see that being non-parnter indicative
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On March 14 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc? Why doesn‘t he have any influence we have just done a 360 on all of his D1 reads. He doesn‘t play by presence. He has good reads but isn't proactive in the thread. That is scummy IMO
Really disagree (surprising ? ). I literally dedicate all my evenings to this game lol. And I saw the reason the lynch changed yesterday
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I think CopCake is town
My tentative mafia team is Palmar/Jealous/?? Probably DMB, that in my mind was cleared until now by the CopCake scumread
MZ is on the "I promised Vivax a reread" pile, sorry probably still won't happen tonight after all ... or maybe it will, we'll see
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On March 14 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:25 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc? Why doesn‘t he have any influence we have just done a 360 on all of his D1 reads. He doesn‘t play by presence. He has good reads but isn't proactive in the thread. That is scummy IMO Really disagree (surprising ? ). I literally dedicate all my evenings to this game lol. And I saw the reason the lynch changed yesterday You disagree that having correct reads that you don't pursue is scummy? Like just on an objective level, not considering the implications for yourself, you could see it right?
I disagree that I'm not proactive, and I disagree that I don't pursue my reads. Early game sure, but not anymore
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On March 12 2024 01:06 Palmar wrote:
I wanna talk a little about VE.
I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH".
So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado.
If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case.
But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie.
Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line.
This post that looked really reasonnable D3 looks really bad in retrospect
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On March 14 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:28 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 12:25 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax how good is Rels at scum play?
Cause when I think about him I think he has to be town cause he is always saying the right thing.
But some players can do that, especially when they are mafia because they know all alignments.
There were some posts of his that look like obvious soft bus and push attempts so o can see where dmb is coming from.
If Rels is town and so correct why has he not had any influence this game except I think for saving cc? Why doesn‘t he have any influence we have just done a 360 on all of his D1 reads. He doesn‘t play by presence. He has good reads but isn't proactive in the thread. That is scummy IMO Really disagree (surprising ? ). I literally dedicate all my evenings to this game lol. And I saw the reason the lynch changed yesterday You disagree that having correct reads that you don't pursue is scummy? Like just on an objective level, not considering the implications for yourself, you could see it right? I disagree that I'm not proactive, and I disagree that I don't pursue my reads. Early game sure, but not anymore You say that, but you are literally parked on copcake and are calling her town...
Literally just finished catching up and rereading her
I think the issue you have is that I couldn't play while most of the other players are active. But that's the availability I have had until now
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On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game
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This attitude really doesn't match what happens afterwards.
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind.
On March 12 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
But honestly it's going to be fine, you can tunnel me all you want Jacob, as long as you promise to carefully read the analysis I make on the people that are joining you in that tunnel. I'm pretty good at mafia, but I have several weak spots. There are a few things I do better than just about anyone, one of them is early day 1 gut reads, and another is defending myself and counterattacking people who want to lynch me.
One of my primary weakness is that I do get lynched more than people who are better than me at establishing themselves are town. Some of it is because while I'm not good as scum, I'm decent, so I have a lot, and I do mean A LOT of experience getting steamrolled by paranoid towns.
He doesn't attack iamperfection on his push, but on something else. He votes JAT, who's not even scumreading him.
I got the impression that he thought JAT would start to scumread him, and it would be the start of a back&forth where he could push back on him. But then he didn't happen
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I don't understand why Palmar's vote ends up on VE D2, especially after this:
On March 09 2024 07:29 Palmar wrote:
As much as I actually can't explain VE's lack of enthusiasm with anything other than him being mafia, I think we NEED to resolve this situation at some point between the red check and slam, and better now than in lylo.
That's another concern of mine. if we just lynch VE, maybe he flips red, maybe he's just lazy and flips green, and we go into the next day just as blind as we did this one, with possibly less mislynches left.
He calls Oats a townread, but nothing on VE being scum apart maybe from:
On March 09 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mafia inside Marv/Oats/Jake/Cake and mix in a couple of hiding lurkers. Dealers choice. I think the game ends in town victory, even if you lot lynch me tomorrow.
I'm sorry I couldn't give this game the time it deserves, my weekend starts tomorrow so I'll at least fight my lynch if I live the night.
Good luck urybody.
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On March 11 2024 14:23 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:19 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough. Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday Was actually 2 days ago On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr Ah well, Koshi hasn't answered yet either IIRC, but to be fair he might have just missed them. Vivax doesn't have that excuse. So, good point. @Koshi, can you respond to the above? Why did you push a VE wagon at EOD2 over red checked Oats?
Still no conclusion on this?
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On March 14 2024 12:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just got put in the fucking league AFK queue bc I was reading the thread. I'm absolutely not reading filters tonight.
lol
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[QUOTE]On March 14 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 14 2024 12:42 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 14 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts. [/QUOTE]
Don't know if it's because I had just read this comment but I had the exact same situation with DMB ...
Brain is too tired, don't want to read her filter again + a town game like I should
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On March 14 2024 12:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 12:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just got put in the fucking league AFK queue bc I was reading the thread. I'm absolutely not reading filters tonight. lol I pulled one of my mains on ARAM too fml
man I haven't played in years but I have fond memories of that game. Must be nearing 10 years now
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EBWOP
On March 14 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts.
Don't know if it's because I had just read this comment but I had the exact same situation with DMB ...
Brain is too tired, don't want to read her filter again + a town game like I should
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I distincly remember her dumbtell D2 being the worst dumbtell of the game by far. If there is one fake dumbtell that's the one
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Going to sleep. I think Palmar will flip scum and I just got baited by the dumbtell post
Can't promise as it hasn't happened a single time this week, but if work is light, I'll try to be around during the morning or early afternoon EST. End of afternoon and beginning of evening are family time so will be off for sure, until probably 1 or 2 hours before the deadline
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VE flip was a needed flip in retrospect, becoming happy again that I pushed for it. Way too easy for scum to hide being VE being scum, and for town like me to base reads on him being unflipped conf scum
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Hey CC, I bought some macarons as a apology cake
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On March 14 2024 13:03 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:15 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
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yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful.
I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example:
DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason
I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way? I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it. Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it Dude I literally used - Grammarly - to make a huge post about DP town scenario and you say what
I hadn't read that one when I posted this, I think that was the post that made me think that:
On March 13 2024 17:43 CopCake wrote:
Well if you lynch me and everybody sees I flip town I will engrave these words to my fellow townies:
DP is not Clear town.
The jacob kill also helps mafiaDP to be like “hohohohoho see Jacob gave me a gun I am so town”
I really, really tried to work with DP but he just doesnt want to do it, he pretends but he doesnt.
Why can I work with people like HF and Rayn when we are all town? Even when we have differences we try to listen to each other and figure out the game using the smartness and the logic of those two and my super ability of town reading ENFJ powers.
Like seriously, if you are town why dont you want to work with me?
If you are town you should see this world only: if mafia didnt block you when you killed TTS if for a reason.
Go ahead, lynch me once me.
But I decree when I flip that DP is NOT clearly town.
I must be clearly the mafia with the biggest fucking balls in the whole universe.
I tried to live in the world you were town, I even wanted to bond as bros and that is why I brought Bluey in the thread so we could talk about it because I fucking love that show and I read you like it, but yeah.
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Meh
Don't want to go to sleep now that CC is there
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Really have to sleep, can't wait for cake to be caught up see you guys tomorrow
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Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched
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On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels.
"It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game" => that's a lie. I thought you were town for like entire days before that post, and I'm pretty sure I still thought you were town when I posted this
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On March 15 2024 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Jealous or cop then ?
?? Jealous of course. Cop is town IMO. Unless something hapepned in the 2 pages I didn't read
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On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that.
Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them".
Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv
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On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on.
"better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point
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On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do.
That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out
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On March 15 2024 09:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). -- Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. I don't believe much of this post. Fully untunneled I proclaim that it's just not how a townie forms reads in my view. Like the DP and Vivax part at the end? What.Is.That???
[B]On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions???
100% agree
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On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset.
Really disagree that she "has to be dealt with". If you're think she's town but hard to deal with, just ignore her
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On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie.
On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do?
Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol
Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam
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On March 15 2024 10:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Ohh the village magician is here! Can you please shuffle the cards and show us what colour Queen CC is? (Before we lynch her)
I think she's town
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On March 15 2024 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point It’s a big point though
I just refuted it though
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On March 15 2024 10:35 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched FWIW I think the only reason I don't care, but am forcing myself to care because a ML is bad for town and therefore goes against my win condition, is because Vivax diarrhea posting a shitty case on me that seemed to never end. I don't recall ever being misrepped and interpreted in the most negative way possible so consistently by anyone else, save for a particularly vindictive ex-girlfriend. So at first I was frustrated by Vivax, then I got frustrated VT my getting frustrated by Vivax, and then I just achieved zen and stopped giving too many fucks. However, I don't get the argument of "Jealous is scum because he isn't fighting his lynch too hard," so I'd need that one explained to me. Both scum and town don't want to be lynched, so what does a lack of fucks really indicate?
You're right that a lack of care doesn't make you scum by itself. It also doesn't make you town though. What I'm saying there is that your behavior around the deadline is not making me doubt my read
I'm really, really sorry if you're town, I know it has immensely frustrating to be in that position
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On March 15 2024 10:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town?
Interesting post. So in your worldview, both Jealous and Palmer are town? There is no good option for a vote?
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In case it comes to CC vs Jealous
##Unvote
##Vote Jealous
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On March 15 2024 10:49 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:
In case it comes to CC vs Jealous
##Unvote
##Vote Jealous Gotta prepare you for the future where you will have to defend both this flip and the VE wagon. GLHF.
LOL if I save scum!CopCake twice in a row ... fucking scum MVP of the town
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Why is it so fucking hard to lynch Palmar
Outside of the dumbtells, I never saw a reason to townread him
I don't understand why you townread him so much DP. Can't remember what you wrote in your big list, I remember you listed marv like everybody else but what else?
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On March 15 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:51 Rels wrote:
Why is it so fucking hard to lynch Palmar
Outside of the dumbtells, I never saw a reason to townread him
I don't understand why you townread him so much DP. Can't remember what you wrote in your big list, I remember you listed marv like everybody else but what else? Tone, meta, mindmeld with Sandro.
Meta?
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On March 15 2024 10:55 iamperfection wrote:
this could be amazing or pretty boring
Yeah
Preparing my F5 key
Really, really think she's town though
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On March 15 2024 10:57 Jealous wrote:
Drunk posting caveat.
Imagine I just ##vote Jealous right now just to make a statement.
:D
Don't think it would work by itself though
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fuck I hope I'm wrong
Even happy being lynched tomorrow if needed, it would clear the game so much. DMB would be conf town at least
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Really think we're making the wrong choice though
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Expected, but too bad, would have been such an easy game after that
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Inexcusable vote from DMB
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On March 15 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. Why? It‘s a signature mafia move. Guy is right on almost everything and unemotional. Can‘t wait for the Nk, then I think we try Jealous again
I expected this flip, it doesn't surprise me. I was very surprised at the VE flip though
I would never ever flip VE over CopCake D3. VE is a guaranteed mislynch before the end of the game, CopCake is not. I think like this when I'm scum
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On March 15 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:why she asked me first in the mason to vote herself, because she feel so bad here.
That's really heartbreaking to read, this is supposed to be a fun game at the end of the day. Hope you can have your rest in obs CC
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Fuck I don't know if I want to push that against you, it's so unfair if you're town. But it's also so EASY! "Yeah she asked me to vote her, a townread of mine, I guess I had no choice even though the opposite wagon is a scumread" ???????
THAT MAKES NO SENSE and yet it feels very very dirty to push it in case I'm wrong
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On March 15 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:
I’ll make a big town case even
If that's the case, please do that one before deadline. Interested to read and potentially debate it before you're potentially shot
And I hope I'm not making the scum team choose you to incriminate me with that post lol
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On March 15 2024 11:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:16 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 11:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote:
I would have been more selfish years ago.
Maybe it‘s what I‘m lacking here. yes pls get a conceited asshole like palmar... urg It‘s not easy when you could be responsible for a mislynch. But DP seems to enjoy it yeah kinda We should have trusted our clairvoyant. He knows the aligment from everbody I don‘t think Rels is mafia though. We have another lynch right ?
Should have 1 more mislynch if I didn't make a mistake when I did the maths pots TTS flip. We had 3 at the time.
9 players alive tomorrow, 6v3. So yeah, one more mislynch brings us to 4v3
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On March 15 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:20 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:
I’ll make a big town case even If that's the case, please do that one before deadline. Interested to read and potentially debate it before you're potentially shot And I hope I'm not making the scum team choose you to incriminate me with that post lol Yeah I’m at hospital right now but I’ll try and do it before the euros are asleep. Need a computer though.
fuck man, I feel for you
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On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:
Fuck I don't know if I want to push that against you, it's so unfair if you're town. But it's also so EASY! "Yeah she asked me to vote her, a townread of mine, I guess I had no choice even though the opposite wagon is a scumread" ???????
THAT MAKES NO SENSE and yet it feels very very dirty to push it in case I'm wrong WHAT SHOULD I DO INSTEAD? VOTE YOU WAS NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!!!!! SHE FELT BAD HERE. SHE DIDN´T WANT TO PLAY WITH ASSHOLES HERE. she is sad that rayn and marv are already in the obs heaven I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before. Sorry that I can not see the future like you You know fucking everthing. The perfect filter no misslynched always the right votes Not suspect at all... Are you the speaking hat from harry potter. Pls tell me who flips Gryffindor???
I know, it's fucking unfair if you're town. I think I'll drop this, not worth pursuing it
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On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further?
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On March 15 2024 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Jealous/MZ/Iamp/Palmar/JAT could have them all from the nonvoters when we had 2 or possibly three wagons on mafia at once.
Jat and Palmar together unlikely
Yeah
JAT has been so similar to me, the only way he's scum in my mind if is if he's purposefully copying everything I'm saying and pasting it back. Even though he shouldn't be by logic alone, I think he is my strongest townread. I would be like, honored, if he's scum and chose to mimic me. And also would learn from my mistakes for the next game hopefully lol
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going to sleep soon, going climbing tomorrow morning. Which BTW if you're all geeks like me (and if you're not, what are you doing in a starcraft forum??), is like the perfect sport. I never liked doing ANY sport in my life, hate going to the gym etc., but climbing is like, making your brain work all the time while you're exercising. Such a perfect sport IMO, 10/10 recommendation
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On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter
??????????
Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one
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On March 15 2024 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Jealous/MZ/Iamp/Palmar/JAT could have them all from the nonvoters when we had 2 or possibly three wagons on mafia at once.
Jat and Palmar together unlikely Yeah JAT has been so similar to me, the only way he's scum in my mind if is if he's purposefully copying everything I'm saying and pasting it back. Even though he shouldn't be by logic alone, I think he is my strongest townread. I would be like, honored, if he's scum and chose to mimic me. And also would learn from my mistakes for the next game hopefully lol Maybe you are scum together
Mixing our fake reads in a big pastebin and taking them out when we need them?
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On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions???
DMB, this is basically what I felt about Jealous. I don't understand why you felt otherwise
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On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure
Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific
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On March 15 2024 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:34 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Jealous/MZ/Iamp/Palmar/JAT could have them all from the nonvoters when we had 2 or possibly three wagons on mafia at once.
Jat and Palmar together unlikely Yeah JAT has been so similar to me, the only way he's scum in my mind if is if he's purposefully copying everything I'm saying and pasting it back. Even though he shouldn't be by logic alone, I think he is my strongest townread. I would be like, honored, if he's scum and chose to mimic me. And also would learn from my mistakes for the next game hopefully lol Maybe you are scum together Mixing our fake reads in a big pastebin and taking them out when we need them? It’s the next level of bussing wifom. Makes sense if you bussed the other half of your team for example.
You just realized that you were wrong all game on CopCake. You were the main cause of that almost mislynch yesterday and actual mislynch today. PLEASE take the time to readjust
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And with that, I'm off for real
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On March 16 2024 08:53 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 08:28 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous if your town couldn't dmb just lurk? They lynch town either way, CopCake's flip makes me look bad, she got the opportunity to call me scummy to boot, and she wasn't even the one that hammered CopCake. I think it works out pretty well in scum!DMB's favor. Why should this be good for a scum DMB? I remember sombody was writing that if CC is Town then dmb has to be mafia or either way. I am not sure who wrote that but i think it was palmar. So why should I scumDMB risk such a thing? The only thing I am seeing here is that people goeing mad again on people with a bad Towngame. Is this the plan because until now it didn´t help us. Lynch Ve because of Bad Town game (and he is known for that) CC playing strange means also bad Towngame and me same as well. Just voting bad Town after bad Town is not what will help us in any fucking way. Did you filter C? Did you read her last scumreads? What about DP. How sure are we that he is really Town. I mean gunsmith can give the gun to mafia as well and shooting the inactiv mafia to get a hell of a Townread would be insane mafia move but not impossibole for DP. When DP is mafia he plays insane so why not? Rels is the Endbos of TMI and it seems like nobody fucking cares about that and that pisses me off as hell Another scumread of CC was Koshi. Did anybody from you maybe reread Koshi? What do we think about that? Is her read good or bad?
"Lynch Ve because of Bad Town game" -> who did that? At least I was sure he was scum
"Just voting bad Town after bad Town is not what will help us in any fucking way." -> who fucking voted bad town yesterday though?
"Rels is the Endbos of TMI and it seems like nobody fucking cares about that and that pisses me off as hell" -> nobody cares? You stole that tmi read! At least Palmar and dp thinks the same! It's the only thing you're bringing over and over when talking about me!
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On March 16 2024 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW. In other words that is a totally normal read progression for her? DMB: "I think this post is townie." Someone else: "No, it's scummy." DMB: "Oh you're right, it's scummy." ??? When she was mafia she got 'stuck' on like one scum read only, when she is town, she is very paranoid, and changes reads quickly. This is a town game from her IMO. When she was mafia she was very aggressive and very tunnell-y
She's stuck on the same read and same point on me ...
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On March 16 2024 09:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:56 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW. In other words that is a totally normal read progression for her? DMB: "I think this post is townie." Someone else: "No, it's scummy." DMB: "Oh you're right, it's scummy." ??? When she was mafia she got 'stuck' on like one scum read only, when she is town, she is very paranoid, and changes reads quickly. This is a town game from her IMO. When she was mafia she was very aggressive and very tunnell-y She's stuck on the same read and same point on me ... Its one read of many, that is the difference.
Is it though
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On March 16 2024 10:00 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 09:35 die_meatbaby wrote:I filterd Cc On March 13 2024 16:04 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 15:57 DarthPunk wrote:
FFS cake are you scum claiming here again.
Like Koshi is your mafia read and you are asking why he was not killed by mafia. No, the answer here is Koshi didnt get killed because he is mafia. Why is it so difficult to understand me? Do i phrase things weirdly or something? I am just asking you those questions to see if we go to the same conclusions. I will filter koshi again but first CC On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
Would be stupid of mafia koshi to push mafia palmar.
On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me. fuck why didn´t I see that oats wanted to vote koshi as major On March 05 2024 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
raynpelikoneet (4): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Koshi
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (15): First both voting for themselfs I did not found him voting Koshi as mayjor as CC told us but he (lynch)vote out of nothing Koshi You look in his filter page 4. There is no reason explained why he votes Koshi. Like really nothing. On March 05 2024 04:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote koshi few hours later he posts this and unvote Koshi. Since that time Koshi got a Townread from him. How is this a Townread and what fucking kind of play is this. On March 05 2024 06:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. I do actually like this post from koshi And then that: On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob, He never explained the Townread on Koshi. But come on thats not a post where you gonna townread somebody or am I really this stupid???? This is by the way all on the same day. Oats filter page 4 and 5 and in between this quotes there are almost no posts or questions. This Townread from Oats on Koshi looks sus for me. Then I made my list post what was requested by Rels. My list posts are bad and always looks scummy. I still do not know who to make a non sus listpost and I am sorry for that. I will try to figure that out for future games. Rels was co hosting games where I was in and had always the same problem as soon as I had to make a list post i got votes on me. So rels asking for that, maybe remembering that from last games and make me do it. Oats started to make this votedmb shit now. On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible Town pls tell me that I am not goeing paranoid on Oats filter here! Jealous analyse this post for me please. Minus the self-meta analysis, I like it. I was already pretty ambivalent about Koshi, but I'll have to skim his filter now to be sure. As for what this post says about DMB, I like that too tbh. It seems like she's trying to tie strings together and point out inconsistencies, which I'm a fan of.
Oats is scum, but definition he's going to manufacture a read. Don't see this interaction as anything that would indicate they're partner
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On March 16 2024 10:03 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:56 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW. In other words that is a totally normal read progression for her? DMB: "I think this post is townie." Someone else: "No, it's scummy." DMB: "Oh you're right, it's scummy." ??? When she was mafia she got 'stuck' on like one scum read only, when she is town, she is very paranoid, and changes reads quickly. This is a town game from her IMO. When she was mafia she was very aggressive and very tunnell-y She's stuck on the same read and same point on me ... thats because you are my main scum thought I thougt dp is scum then he got town again then slighty chance of scum because of Town CC but still unlikly so Town again I called you and Koshi scum. I tried to read koshi as Town because I believe that our mayjor and dP are town and they asked me to reread him because they think he is not scum. I tried Now I see him again as scum because of Oats filter. your filter is just too perfect for Town. No mistakes. Only safe posts nothing would could show any signs of scum... that drives me crazy. so sorry for calling you scum but you fucking are I am still pretty unsure of Jat both is possible I thought Palmar was scum but now I am pretty sure he is Town
You're just regurgitating the same point over and over. Was I right when I pushed for ve? Was I right when I 180 my town read on copcake? "Only safe posts nothing would could show any signs of scum" -> ??? First, if my posts are town then I'm town? Second, it doesn't mean anythingw it's a point in the abstract. Easy to say without backup. Bad, bad and easy reasoning that you are hiding behind
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On March 16 2024 10:09 Vivax wrote:
We know that many weren't killed for their reads at this point but if that was the driver for the NKs, Rels should be among them.
What's his NK history as town btw?
When I started I was NK pretty often. Then it stopped happening, partly because my scum game is pretty good and partly because I became super lazy as town early game. I can't remember the last time I've been nk as town, I've been lynched or survived lately I think
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On March 16 2024 10:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:14 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 10:09 Vivax wrote:
We know that many weren't killed for their reads at this point but if that was the driver for the NKs, Rels should be among them.
What's his NK history as town btw? When I started I was NK pretty often. Then it stopped happening, partly because my scum game is pretty good and partly because I became super lazy as town early game. I can't remember the last time I've been nk as town, I've been lynched or survived lately I think You had very good reads this game what's your current guess? I saw dmb but that doesn't scratch my itch.
Palmar jealous dmb is my current team
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On March 16 2024 10:18 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:16 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 10:15 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 10:14 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 10:09 Vivax wrote:
We know that many weren't killed for their reads at this point but if that was the driver for the NKs, Rels should be among them.
What's his NK history as town btw? When I started I was NK pretty often. Then it stopped happening, partly because my scum game is pretty good and partly because I became super lazy as town early game. I can't remember the last time I've been nk as town, I've been lynched or survived lately I think You had very good reads this game what's your current guess? I saw dmb but that doesn't scratch my itch. Palmar jealous dmb is my current team This team makes no sense to me tbh.
I wonder why :p
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On March 16 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:20 iamperfection wrote:
that team would have 3 scum on oats. I dont think its that. Palmar jealous dmb that is
Not a bad point
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There is something in mz day 2 that would make it a great performance if he's scum ... The doubts, yelling, back and forth ... It doesn't match tje idea I have of him, I don't think he's a great scum player? Might be wrong but that's how I perceived him
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On March 16 2024 10:23 Koshi wrote:
MZ is mafia.
Jealous is mafia.
I dont know about the third but I was wrong on Palmar and JAT most likely.
Why did you change your read on Palmar? Hate what I saw yesterday from him. Very opportunistic change of read on me, ready to jump on anyone, jat, me, copcake
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Quoting myself from yesterday:
On March 15 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out
On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point
On March 15 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that. Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them". Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv
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On March 16 2024 10:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:28 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 10:23 Koshi wrote:
MZ is mafia.
Jealous is mafia.
I dont know about the third but I was wrong on Palmar and JAT most likely. Why did you change your read on Palmar? Hate what I saw yesterday from him. Very opportunistic change of read on me, ready to jump on anyone, jat, me, copcake Because I stpped away from the JAT/Palmar scumteam and I am trusting JAT and DP as they have a strong tr on Palmar. If one of those is mafiabit still makes sense he is town.
I don't think any of those are scum though lol
. Jat is just sleeping Marv. Dp I m curious to have a more detailed read than just tone and meta
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On March 16 2024 10:16 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:14 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
How do I make a mayor vote? People who ask mundane questions to end their first visit to the thread should be lynched and or shot. New to mafia playbook: First throw out some not fleshed out reads to pretend they are helping town. Secondly ask a question so the thread helps them be active and do something because they don't know what to do as mafia. Seen it too much. Should be red throughout the game unless miracle play happens. WIFOM but does scum!Koshi go this hard against TTS so early into the game? On the one hand, D1 so stakes are low, also creates distance. On the other, why even put them on full blast like this when there are other non-bus targets to discredit? It's not like scum!TTS is a prevalent narrative at this point.
Funny, that's the first actual scummy thing I've read on koshi. What an overreaction to TTS question. Yeah it's kinda scum newbie indicative, but not "forever scum unless a miracle happens" lol
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On March 16 2024 10:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:Quoting myself from yesterday: On March 15 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point On March 15 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that. Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them". Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv I cant decide between the JAT/Palmar and the Jealous/MZ option.
Why are those linked together though?
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On March 16 2024 10:45 Koshi wrote:
Or not. I really dont know.
His CC townread after VE/CC might have been a real thing.
But to instantly start to sus players thinking CC mafia during tge entire day. Big meh.
What's that?
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On March 16 2024 10:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:
I do not believe iamp is mafia
But CC/MZ/JAT
I kinda like it in a world Palmar isnt mafia. I'm having a hard time seeing that world, but I'm more worried about you starting to see CC as mafia again, have you not read any of her posts this cycle? The rest isnt as obvious. But for example he pushes you (Rels) for voting CC. But his filter checks out that he started reading CC town so..... I dont know.
Checked it out during flip, the progression seems genuine to me. Shocked by the VE flip, changed his reads
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Well since I'm considered an oracle by the person that scumread me, let me lead you to my least favorite partner
##Vote Palmar
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On March 16 2024 11:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Clearly my reads are completely wrong, or I am being fucked with, either way this is amazing and woeful at the same time.
TBH my conspiracy sense is starting to tingle too
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On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first.
Weird post to make. In what world was Koshi more townread than DP? You yourself were having doubts regarding Koshi and none regarding DP last night right?
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On March 16 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. Weird post to make. In what world was Koshi more townread than DP? You yourself were having doubts regarding Koshi and none regarding DP last night right? I think he is trying to justify why I am alive?
I read it as "Koshi was super townread, best play for scum would be to shoot him, why are you surprised to be alive?"
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On March 16 2024 11:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. You mean night killing? Yea my b, is Friday and I'm at the bar again.
Have fun
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On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest. See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right?
oh OK, I got your point now
there might be multiple reasons to kill or not kill the most townread person in the game, including WIFOM. If the most townread person in the game also has the perfect reads though, not much reason to not kill him unless your team is super screwed and you want to go for the chaos WIFOM option
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well, going to sleep. See you all tomorrow
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On March 16 2024 19:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Well Palmar if you are pocketing me this game so be it, you slipped straight back into my pocket.
Vote: Jealous
Might be deep into a tunnel but I didn't see anything that would be hard to fake
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On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote:I hate reading MZ so much. I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now. I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
Interested to see what you think of his D2
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On March 17 2024 11:16 Jealous wrote:Lol some things don't change I guess, was fun revisiting my old games:
lool
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On March 17 2024 01:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 01:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 16 2024 19:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Well Palmar if you are pocketing me this game so be it, you slipped straight back into my pocket.
Vote: Jealous So you agree with me then that Jealous made a deliberate dumbtell? I'm frustrated nobody bothered to read what I wrote last night. This is also a lazy reason to townread Palmar and we're past the point where town can be lazy. Tbf I read it but I don't think my input is too valuable here lol. However I think you might have overplayed your hand a bit here. I am conniving enough to make a deliberate dumbtell, but also dumb enough to breadcrumb it in the thread twice? Isn't it just more likely that alcohol makes people do dumb shit, regardless of how judgmental they may be about sober people doing dumb shit? Also, objectively I think that a self-vote is different from a dumbtell, but I'm keeping it in your POV for arguments' sake.
Don't really like the tone of this post, especially the "overplayed" part - I didn't get the feeling that Jealous was hard scumreading MZ, but he's treating him as conf scum there
Yeah the posts previous to this one that talks about MZ:
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels
On March 17 2024 01:12 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 01:07 iamperfection wrote:
and i dont think its vivax and its obviously not me so therefore one of palmar mz has to be mafia if not both.
I think it is likely that there is at least one.
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On March 17 2024 03:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah
Both Rels and DMB seem to have fallen off hard.
How so? I think I literally entered the thread every day at around the same time when my daughter is asleep, and probably played for more or less the same time (a few hours) before having to go to sleep
Spoiler, tomorrow will be more of the same, we'll be downtown all day
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n March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first.
On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest. See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right?
For someone that played since at least 2016, this is a pretty beginner question and thought process. Smells like fake interaction
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On March 17 2024 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB.
Agree with this. The inconsistencies you Jealous is finding is a big part why I think you're town actually
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On March 17 2024 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 11:31 Rels wrote:n March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest. See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right? For someone that played since at least 2016, this is a pretty beginner question and thought process. Smells like fake interaction Rels what do you think of Jealous's post flip play? I wrote some stuff on it last night.
The Koshi dumbtell right? Very possible to do as scum, so it doesn't make me change my Jealous scumread. I don't know if it's a scumpoint by itself, maybe you could argue it's a small one since there is like 20 minutes between him talking about Koshi being dead and including him in his list post
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On March 17 2024 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:23 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 07:17 Vivax wrote:
MZ keeps saying he wants him lynched but here I am explaining to him why he can't be town Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous? If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous. But I told you in our secret qt I’m not mafia It feels like you're just trolling at this point. I'm gonna go find some food and not stare at this forum for a bit.
"feels like"?
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On March 17 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote:
Anyway, to switch to something more "productive," the more MZ posts and interacts with Palmar - who was also on VE - the more I am liking MZ over Palmar. Palmar also only seems to wake up when he is under pressure. He was already near the top of the scum list for me before this.
During the previous day cycle he said he was going to come after people who scum read him with questions and was going to step it up a notch. He never did.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Weird way to switch to the counter wagon. You're allowed to just say that you're voting for survival lol. I didn't see anything in the latest MZ posts that should have convinced you from your huge case on him
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On March 17 2024 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
My current thinking is that I have been pocketed by palmar since day one, and that by defending him all game I have actively made this game way harder than it should have been.
What was the meta you were talking about?
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Caught up. Pretty locked in on Palmar / Jealous being scum, so I'm happy wiht both lynched currently. Nothing I've seen from Palmar since the flip have made me change my mind, and Jealous did a few actively scummy things: talking to MZ like he's conf scum when he wasn't at the time (he would be just after, so looking like a slip that he's already chosen his victim to filter and build a case on), the big MZ case on the very things that I think make him very likely town (his behavior D2 regarding Oats and the red check), him dropping his big case to switch to his counterwagon just afterwards for a way throwaway MZ posts.
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The Koshi dumbtell might also be a little bit more likely to come from scum, not sure if it's super strong
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On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote:I hate reading MZ so much. I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
I knew this was familiar. Here is a post from 4 days prior:
On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read.
And another 2 days later:
On March 14 2024 07:20 Palmar wrote:
I need Rels to come tell me MZ is still town in his mind, I cba reading the later pages of his filter.
The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules.
So he has been reading (or possibly only claims to have read if scum) MZ's filter. Maybe only once, likely partially based on his last post, but he's done it. Why does he start again on March 16? If he's town, it's hard to believe. If he's scum, it's because he claimed to have done it, but probably just didn't and just posted what he wanted to post on MZ anyway, and then had forgotten about it a few days later.
It also clashes with this post:
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two.
"I've not really bothered to filter at all" is provably wrong based on the 2 posts I've quoted above.
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On March 17 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him What bothers me here is that Rels was voting Jat but prefers to default to random lurker to spare Trfel. There‘s a lazy town perspective to be had but shouldn‘t he just try to move everyone to Jat instead ? He voted him without seeing red flags in a prior post so great excuse to not do much. And asking for random lurker after calling out TTs so early also is telling. He should have had him in mind and called for support. Hapa was already being taken care of.
Don't know what to say except that IRL got in the way. When I joined the thread late D1, I hadn't read like half of it, maybe more, so I had no idea what happened. I filtered a few people, proably only Palmar/JAT/Trfel that were the wagons and TTS for whom I was voting. I had absolutely no thread presence or control to ask for anything, just wanted to have an opinion of the wagons and vote for the one I thought would flip scum. And then I had to leave again to take care of my daughter
I was not available to do anything or try to make anyone do anything (not that it's my forte as town D1 anyway)
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On March 17 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.
Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on.
Genius if true!!!
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On March 17 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels who is the third with Pal/Jealous if you had to guess?
DMB
Partly because I scumread her, but with a lot more doubts than Jealous/Palmar
Partly because POE. I townread to some degree literally everyone else
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On March 17 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:33 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 00:33 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I didn't mind Jealous' list post.
Need to punch him to be more active tomorrow, but not really a huge deal for now. Good cop check probably if someone wants to go for it, because I don't know if I can count on him stepping up transparency and activity as the game goes on. Genius if true!!! well not really, cause Oats got a redcheck. But it would explain leaving slam alone night one at least.
I meant your find
I hope it's true and we discover that Oats framed Jealous post game ...
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On March 17 2024 12:31 DarthPunk wrote:
I think it's Jat
It's objectively the one for which I shouldn't be townreading him that hard
But subjectively, I have a very hard time believeing the level of mindmeld we shared this game is fake. Everything is the same minus the Palmar read. If Jealous really is scum, it's like he's been playing against his wincon and make the game way harder for himself. You could arguee he could be playing lone wolf, but without the CopCake flip yesterday, he would have finished trapped in his own POE reads one way or the other before LYLO comes
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On March 17 2024 12:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels who is the third with Pal/Jealous if you had to guess?
DMB Partly because I scumread her, but with a lot more doubts than Jealous/Palmar Partly because POE. I townread to some degree literally everyone else Well I don't like that.
Yeah I got your position on DMB
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Like, we agree on things that I've not said in the thread, so it cannot be a pure "I'm gonna copy this guy" play. I agreed with him telling you that one scum game is not a scum meta for instance, and I think he's the only one that said it
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I have been reading DMB past games, kind hard to get info from it without reading the whole game again, but this might be a town tell on DMB ... this game:
On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad.
Mafia game:
On December 18 2023 08:34 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 07:52 Palmar wrote:
And I basically have the same feeling about dmb as you but I've written it off throughout the game as terrible town.
I would actually be somewhat relieved if she's mafia because then I don't have to call her bad in the postgame :D STOP CALLING ME BAD TOWN!! when we lynch you we will see that I am right
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Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively
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On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively
The first sentence should read the opposite lol, I would need a lot of convincing to lynch anyone else over her
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On March 17 2024 13:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 13:03 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively The first sentence should read the opposite lol, I would need a lot of convincing to lynch anyone else over her Anyone else ? Is she your top scumread now or before you boted Palmat ?
lol
Reading my last posts, what's your best guess?
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Going to sleep, happy with both lynches currently. As mentioned earlier, I'll be out all day tomorrow, so I will likely only be able to play as usual, catching up maybe 2 hours before the lynch and staying at least until deadline
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On March 17 2024 13:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 13:32 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 13:29 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 13:03 Rels wrote:On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous. I would need a lot of convincing to lynch her oever anyone else though
And she got lynched as scum last time. So it might just be that she's playing this differently, less aggressively The first sentence should read the opposite lol, I would need a lot of convincing to lynch anyone else over her Anyone else ? Is she your top scumread now or before you boted Palmat ? lol Reading my last posts, what's your best guess? It looks inconclusive to me. For me it‘s the same but with Jealous. At this point being right on him has become a matter of existentialism. Mostly because I carry the burden of the copcake hammer. I think it burdens most mafia too. This is the point at the game where you just want everyone to win.
Inconclusive?
On March 17 2024 11:59 Rels wrote:
Caught up. Pretty locked in on Palmar / Jealous being scum, so I'm happy wiht both lynched currently. Nothing I've seen from Palmar since the flip have made me change my mind, and Jealous did a few actively scummy things: talking to MZ like he's conf scum when he wasn't at the time (he would be just after, so looking like a slip that he's already chosen his victim to filter and build a case on), the big MZ case on the very things that I think make him very likely town (his behavior D2 regarding Oats and the red check), him dropping his big case to switch to his counterwagon just afterwards for a way throwaway MZ posts.
On March 17 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels who is the third with Pal/Jealous if you had to guess?
DMB Partly because I scumread her, but with a lot more doubts than Jealous/Palmar Partly because POE. I townread to some degree literally everyone else
On March 17 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Meh. Not as settled on DMB than I am on Palmar/Jealous.
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On March 17 2024 13:52 Vivax wrote:
What happened to locked in on Palmar/Jealous ?
Doesn‘t make sense based on your posts that you‘d be more sure on dmb.
I am locked in on Palmar jealous. You quoted a partial post with only the fixed sentence without putting the fixed sentence back into it's context
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On March 17 2024 13:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Did you read palmars winter warfare game rels?
No. It's the same game dmb was scum in right. If yes I cohosted it but don't really remember it
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Finally home, caught up about half way in the way home. Only one comment for now: Vivax you moron, I fucking hammered Jealous yesterday, and you're the only reason he's still alive!
With that out of my chest, carrying on with the catch up
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On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw.
Say the person that literally has the power to save him right there right now
Why do you townread Palmar again?
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On March 18 2024 10:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:07 Rels wrote:
Finally home, caught up about half way in the way home. Only one comment for now: Vivax you moron, I fucking hammered Jealous yesterday, and you're the only reason he's still alive!
With that out of my chest, carrying on with the catch up DP could have asked you to switch, but he knew I‘m the one with the soft spot
I also made it clear I townread CopCake pretty hard at that point, and I don't tend to vote for my townreads ...
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On March 18 2024 10:21 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:20 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw. Say the person that literally has the power to save him right there right now Why do you townread Palmar again? He behaves as the same dickhead as last game. and I refuse do vote on any wagon thats pushed and made by DP
Palmar you mean? Last game I've played with him where we were both town, I tunneled him during the last day, he correctly deduced I was town and managed to find the other scum, which we went on to lynch. Here, he's just floating around, he doesn't have a clear lynch, every post starts from a POE point of view ... so weak
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On March 18 2024 10:26 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:22 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you see dmb/DP/Rels now in this very moment ?
We have the technology, we can rebuild you. I address this here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM: However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2. That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game. So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels. The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML. TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications. Like yea, it is plausible. It would have to be well-orchestrated, which is something that I am sure DP and Oats are capable of, and Rels and DMB just have to sheep (no slight against Rels and DMB btw). Rels filter made me believe they are pretty dang town, though, and so does DMB's recent "no DP voting" push. However, not voting for either side of the current lynch pool could just be a great TvT ploy. Fuck it. ##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
lol what a twist
well that cements him as scum IMO
can't believe that could actually have a chance to work. Well, probably only if DP and I were both AFK
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On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB/Jealous/palmar calling it now.
Welcome to my world
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On March 18 2024 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
he pushed trfel because Trfel is a good Townplayer as I saw in the last game
he pushed VE wagon because we looked scummy but he always does
he pushed CC wagon because she plays differnt and can not handle the dp discussions for dayss
he go a gun he shoot the non activ mafia, because he is useless anyways, so why not getting townreads for shooting his teammate. Thats insanse but insane enough for a scum DP
"he pushed trfel because Trfel is a good Townplayer as I saw in the last game" => stealing CopCake theory I see
"insane enough for a scum DP" => is it? I know it's a play that I would literally never do for instance, it's literally playing against your wincon. We could be in LYLO today instead of tomorrow
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On March 18 2024 10:46 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away. why do you townread dp so strong? why would he shoot TTS? Why would mafia not roleblock him if they know that he as a gun as he claimed it. Why is this gun making him so fucking town and why is he not getting nk when he this much townconfirmed how does that make sense?
Crazy that this is coming back now only in the chaos minutes before the flip
It was explained multiple times but multiple people how it made sense
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Fuck
I guess I'll revisit the game tomorrow after sleeping on it
Masterfully played if it's still jealous dmb. Not relying on scumreading Palmar
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On March 18 2024 11:13 Rels wrote:
Was that the last bg?
3 bg according to op
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On March 18 2024 11:15 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:12 Rels wrote:
Fuck
I guess I'll revisit the game tomorrow after sleeping on it
Masterfully played if it's still jealous dmb. Not relying on scumreading Palmar really you still thinking of me and J? you are fucking serious? It´s over. You and DP are scum and i will vote nobody else expect one of you two!!!!!!! I am still not sure who the 3rd on is but I will find out. Just first you and fucking dp.
All I see right now is you riding the town cred you knew you would get
As I said, masterfully played
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Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol
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On March 18 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:
Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol It‘s kinda town favoured if we have another lynch… 3 MLs is a lot. Scum is good. DP and Jealous being on it, Oats trying that hard with a redcheck makes sense.
It's possible that my mind is coping and doesn't want to be 100% wrong, but I m seeing scum explanation for everything dmb did. What's your take on her now?
But as said earlier, I'll sleep on it and try to reread some parts of the game tomorrow with fresh eyes. It should be the point when I reread the entire game, but not with 500 pages ...
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On March 18 2024 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:
Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol It‘s kinda town favoured if we have another lynch… 3 MLs is a lot. Scum is good. DP and Jealous being on it, Oats trying that hard with a redcheck makes sense. Vivax just casually scum claiming in the thread. What's not to love about this game.
That's how I read it at first too lol
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Why are you so strong on dmb?
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Low-key starting to think it's vivax dmb and ... Who in this case, maybe still jealous, or jat?
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On March 18 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:25 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:
Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol It‘s kinda town favoured if we have another lynch… 3 MLs is a lot. Scum is good. DP and Jealous being on it, Oats trying that hard with a redcheck makes sense. It's possible that my mind is coping and doesn't want to be 100% wrong, but I m seeing scum explanation for everything dmb did. What's your take on her now? But as said earlier, I'll sleep on it and try to reread some parts of the game tomorrow with fresh eyes. It should be the point when I reread the entire game, but not with 500 pages ... so I am scum because i did not vote palmar because i saw him just as a usuall dick of town and I didn´t want to vote j because this old towngame of him felt too simular. And now i am scum because I refused to vote any wagon made by dp? wow nice game from you two
Nope that would not be why. It's your attitude and sureness
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What a gamble if it's really vivax
What a gamble
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Fuck I really need to just fucking sleep on it and reread their filters tomorrow after letting it simmer
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On March 18 2024 11:33 Vivax wrote:I don‘t think she busses both her teammates during a Palmar wagon so strongly. And you aren‘t sure that it‘s DP and jealous by now instead you focus on her so that‘s the actual scumclaim. Makes it easier to discard her as choice.
So only association?
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On March 18 2024 11:34 Vivax wrote:
She was weak on jealous tbh.
But she also legitimately threatened dp
So only unflipped association with dp too?
Crazy weak
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On March 18 2024 11:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:34 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:33 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:31 Rels wrote:
Why are you so strong on dmb? I don‘t think she busses both her teammates during a Palmar wagon so strongly. And you aren‘t sure that it‘s DP and jealous by now instead you focus on her so that‘s the actual scumclaim. Makes it easier to discard her as choice. So only association? Hey it‘s 3 v 4 it‘s all association from here on out
Yeah, today is the equivalent of "d3 bus day" of a mini. So yeah, crazy weak. Especially since dp had no chance of actually being lynched today
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On March 18 2024 11:36 Vivax wrote:
You‘re floundering Rels.
You could make me doubt dmb if you jumped to a jealous DP conclusion instantly but you‘re too tied now
That's kind of the difference between us though. I'm not trying to make you doubt, I'm trying to understand you
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I can't understand that you 2 townread each other so goddamn much after everything that just happened
Dmb townread on Palmar was weak as shit too, basically only association with dp and weak meta
I don't remember why vivax townread palmar
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On March 18 2024 11:39 Vivax wrote:
It‘s pointless conversation. For fun. But the solving is done
That makes absolutely no sense
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On March 18 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 11:25 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:
Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol It‘s kinda town favoured if we have another lynch… 3 MLs is a lot. Scum is good. DP and Jealous being on it, Oats trying that hard with a redcheck makes sense. It's possible that my mind is coping and doesn't want to be 100% wrong, but I m seeing scum explanation for everything dmb did. What's your take on her now? But as said earlier, I'll sleep on it and try to reread some parts of the game tomorrow with fresh eyes. It should be the point when I reread the entire game, but not with 500 pages ... so I am scum because i did not vote palmar because i saw him just as a usuall dick of town and I didn´t want to vote j because this old towngame of him felt too simular. And now i am scum because I refused to vote any wagon made by dp? wow nice game from you two Nope that would not be why. It's your attitude and sureness my attitude is the same as that of vivax snake. it changes depending on the situation And I wasn't so sure during the first few lynches whether I was really voting correctly. Now it's just enough for me, you can all townread dp but I'm not doing that anymore. The only right thing I could do now was not to vote any of his wagons. Sorry for getting paranoid for thinking on dp and you as scum! also good that you voted palmar. Your perfect filter is evaporating...the oracle fails...
Now I guess you'll have to change your reason to scumread me
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On March 18 2024 11:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:41 Rels wrote:
I can't understand that you 2 townread each other so goddamn much after everything that just happened
Dmb townread on Palmar was weak as shit too, basically only association with dp and weak meta
I don't remember why vivax townread palmar Factually untrue I was exploring her Oats association before the lynch. It‘s your reaction post flip that makes me sure on it
So when I asked what you thought of dmb, that's the moment you decided she was town?
So stupid
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Vivax, this right?
On March 18 2024 11:12 Rels wrote:
Fuck
I guess I'll revisit the game tomorrow after sleeping on it
Masterfully played if it's still jealous dmb. Not relying on scumreading Palmar
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I don't understand how this post make you go from doubting dmb to town dmb
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On March 18 2024 11:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:49 Rels wrote:
I don't understand how this post make you go from doubting dmb to town dmb And you ask me after the Palmar flip makes you look terrible not when I was asking Jealous to case you all day ? Bad loser tbh
Not answering I see. Only unflipped association
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Vivax if you're town, you just made sure the game was unwinnable right there with this beyond stupid logic. I'll blame you post game. You cannot be town and be this stupid. So you're scum
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Getting frustrated so I'll step out. Hopefully I'll get some clarity while sleeping ...
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On March 18 2024 11:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:
Vivax if you're town, you just made sure the game was unwinnable right there with this beyond stupid logic. I'll blame you post game. You cannot be town and be this stupid. So you're scum Ah so you do know jealous is scum. Why push me then ? Touche
????
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I'll just say this
If you're town and you have something to say, say it clearly
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On March 18 2024 12:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:59 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:57 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:
Vivax if you're town, you just made sure the game was unwinnable right there with this beyond stupid logic. I'll blame you post game. You cannot be town and be this stupid. So you're scum Ah so you do know jealous is scum. Why push me then ? Touche ???? Don‘t worry someone who can understand it will
I'm talking about me that will probably hard push you in lylo tomorrow if I don't change my mind
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On March 18 2024 12:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:01 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 12:00 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:59 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 11:57 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:
Vivax if you're town, you just made sure the game was unwinnable right there with this beyond stupid logic. I'll blame you post game. You cannot be town and be this stupid. So you're scum Ah so you do know jealous is scum. Why push me then ? Touche ???? Don‘t worry someone who can understand it will I'm talking about me that will probably hard push you in lylo tomorrow if I don't change my mind You just said I lost the game by not voting Jealous but you‘d push me first? Ok Einstein
No, you inferred that and it is wrong. I just explained what I meant. You made the game unwinnable because you're so god damn stupid I have to believe you're scum against all odds, and if I believe that if you're actually town, then the game is lost
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FUCK well played on the emotional attacks if you're both scum. FUCKING insufferable
DID PEOPLE ATTACK YOU LIKE THAT WHEN YOU FUCKING LYNCHED YOUR FUCKING TOWNREAD YESTERDAY?
I BACKED off you DMB because I was afraid I was gonna hurt your feelings because of your pity vote on CC. FUCK I was stupid
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With that attiude, the game is lost anyway if you're not scum. So it doesn't matter
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I'm unmotivated. Because now that I've taken the time to think about it, vivax has to be town. For him to not be town, we would need to have a game with no other protection role, and no mafia role blocker, which is unheard of. So like real life, we really have a mad politician as the mayor that we can't get rid of, and caused his main scumread to not be lynched twice in a row now
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Jealous still is scum probably, the hail mary on dp doesn't make sense imo. Wonderful play but not pushing his counter wagon too much, really made it look like they were partner
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On March 18 2024 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Should have listened to me about palmar. But what's done is done. Instinct says I was right about jealous + dmb. They could even be with dp for ultimate drama. I think dp would have told her to bus him now and this attack/push came very late and was never realistic. Maybe that's more realistic if jealous is town though. Not sure. Game is really hard now because basically everyone else voted palmar. Mafia could also be in MZ/Rels at this point.
I am really interested who they nightkill now.
Me too
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Dmb attitude makes perfect sense as scum. She thought Palmar was town before the lunch, but for some reason the flip makes me/dp scum all of sudden. It doesn't make sense, it shouldn't have been a surprise. She's capitalizing on the loss of town cred
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On March 19 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
I'm unmotivated. Because now that I've taken the time to think about it, vivax has to be town. For him to not be town, we would need to have a game with no other protection role, and no mafia role blocker, which is unheard of. So like real life, we really have a mad politician as the mayor that we can't get rid of, and caused his main scumread to not be lynched twice in a row now This sentence is proof you are toxic af and don‘t take responsibility for your choices. Like Palmar would say, I‘m not your mom. I pushed the guy for two days If you don‘t vote him, it‘s on you. Get outta here
??? What are you talking about? I take responsibility for every single one of my vote and scumread. It doesn't change the fact that your actions and votes d3 and d4 caused jealous to survive. Take your own advice and own it
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On March 19 2024 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2024 10:31 Rels wrote:
Dmb attitude makes perfect sense as scum. She thought Palmar was town before the lunch, but for some reason the flip makes me/dp scum all of sudden. It doesn't make sense, it shouldn't have been a surprise. She's capitalizing on the loss of town cred Agree with this. I think Jealous/Dmb with a MZ or Jat Kicker. Probably MZ over Jat, cause of the 'scumslip' Oats pointed out day 1.
My poe will put imperfection as the 3rd lol. But I townread to some degree all 3
I even think I would consider you over mz. Mz is always somewhat lynchbaity
Fucking hard game
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On March 19 2024 10:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:On March 19 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
I'm unmotivated. Because now that I've taken the time to think about it, vivax has to be town. For him to not be town, we would need to have a game with no other protection role, and no mafia role blocker, which is unheard of. So like real life, we really have a mad politician as the mayor that we can't get rid of, and caused his main scumread to not be lynched twice in a row now This sentence is proof you are toxic af and don‘t take responsibility for your choices. Like Palmar would say, I‘m not your mom. I pushed the guy for two days If you don‘t vote him, it‘s on you. Get outta here ??? What are you talking about? I take responsibility for every single one of my vote and scumread. It doesn't change the fact that your actions and votes d3 and d4 caused jealous to survive. Take your own advice and own it You give obsessed stalker vibes tbh. You try to pin everything bad happening on me, but at least I had my vote on mafia.
??? I'm not pinning anything. I'm stating the fact that your chaotic way of playing caused Jealous to live for 2 days in a row. I'm kinda mad at you so I will continue to do so until the end of the game
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The way you treated me after the flip was unacceptable so that will be my way of coping
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On March 19 2024 10:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:42 Rels wrote:On March 19 2024 10:38 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:On March 19 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
I'm unmotivated. Because now that I've taken the time to think about it, vivax has to be town. For him to not be town, we would need to have a game with no other protection role, and no mafia role blocker, which is unheard of. So like real life, we really have a mad politician as the mayor that we can't get rid of, and caused his main scumread to not be lynched twice in a row now This sentence is proof you are toxic af and don‘t take responsibility for your choices. Like Palmar would say, I‘m not your mom. I pushed the guy for two days If you don‘t vote him, it‘s on you. Get outta here ??? What are you talking about? I take responsibility for every single one of my vote and scumread. It doesn't change the fact that your actions and votes d3 and d4 caused jealous to survive. Take your own advice and own it You give obsessed stalker vibes tbh. You try to pin everything bad happening on me, but at least I had my vote on mafia. ??? I'm not pinning anything. I'm stating the fact that your chaotic way of playing caused Jealous to live for 2 days in a row. I'm kinda mad at you so I will continue to do so until the end of the game No because you‘re being selective about it and just want to be an asshole towards me. You didnt blame dp when he asked me to do cop but you blame me when I switch off and on but others don‘t ?
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I'm onboard with the all in on Jealous tomorrow
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On March 19 2024 10:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:44 Rels wrote:
The way you treated me after the flip was unacceptable so that will be my way of coping You called me a moron, and slipped yourself mafia in the process. What‘s there to say.
????
You were the one that shut down any attempt to talk
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On March 19 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote:
Nothing to say about that rels ?
I don't understand what you're talking about. Start by producing a clear sentence that exposes the relevant context if needed, then I can think about it
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On March 19 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
We need to establish townies and just roll the dice here, if we are all town fighting with ourselves and blaming for the mess we are in while Jealous and DMB are fucking preening about their impending victory we can never win here.
those are the two lynches before 2-1 LYLO imo.
then there should be enough spew to find the last mafia. Jealous is scum, but with you and Rels! If I get nk pls Town do the right thing and vote for them.
What a persona
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On March 19 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2024 10:45 Rels wrote:
I'm onboard with the all in on Jealous tomorrow it puts dmb in an uncomfortable position too, cause she scum reading him this night, but she also town read him and saved him twice, and I don't think she will want to vote him tomorrow either. Ohh fuck I will vote you or him or Rels. Who ever want do die first from you guys can tell us directly.
Crazy to be so sure. It doesn't make sense. The read on me is also without reason now, since it was previously "he's always right"
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On March 19 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
If I was on the Palmar wagon and saw someone switch off Jealous and called him a moron when he‘s helping me get my lynch, there‘s two worlds:
1. He‘s lying scum
2. He‘s lying town
I actually think he‘s town so that raises some questions about game integrity if so, but let‘s not go there.
Seems kinda tied to Rels tho…
You think MZ is scummy because he was mad that you voted DP, even though by doing so he should have been happy intead since it made Palmar the leading wagon? Is that the argument?
I don't understand what you mean by game integrity. Either you don't mention it or you do, but mentioning it without explaining it is annoying
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If that's the argument being made, I also was mad at you being so chaotic, so I don't see the issue that MZ was too
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On March 19 2024 10:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
If I was on the Palmar wagon and saw someone switch off Jealous and called him a moron when he‘s helping me get my lynch, there‘s two worlds:
1. He‘s lying scum
2. He‘s lying town
I actually think he‘s town so that raises some questions about game integrity if so, but let‘s not go there.
Seems kinda tied to Rels tho… MZ never voted for jealous though. I keep on telling you that. On March 18 2024 10:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Five Vote Count
Palmar (4): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, DarthPunk
Jealous (3): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Vivax
DarthPunk (2) : die_meatbaby, Jealous, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
With 4 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Its right here... Why does he blame me pre-flip for not keeping my vote on him then ?
On March 19 2024 10:55 Vivax wrote:
You don‘t blame someone that aggressively for not lynching someone you think is town
That's not my recollection, any quote? I thought he was angry at you because your actions were erratic, I don't remember it being a blame
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On March 19 2024 10:55 Vivax wrote:
You don‘t blame someone that aggressively for not lynching someone you think is town
Did MZ thought Jealous waws town? I think he said somethinig like 90% scum Palmar, 70% scum Jealous or something like that
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On March 19 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
I think whoever is the last bodyguard should claim it would help us to figure out some things.
haha
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I relate to that Jealous post
I think I want to go with DMB today, as stupid as letting Jealous live for a 3rd day in a row looks like
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On March 19 2024 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax will fucking shit a brick if we don't lynch jealous again lmao.
Counting this as a plus :p
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Let's go
##Vote die_meatbaby
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Jealous what's your scum team?
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On March 19 2024 11:20 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 11:15 Rels wrote:
I relate to that Jealous post
I think I want to go with DMB today, as stupid as letting Jealous live for a 3rd day in a row looks like first day yeah was kinda dumb bad I wanted to vote CC sorry second day I didn´t want to vote on any wagon pushed by DP third day he will fucking die! you and Dp voting on Palmar and J changing with me do DP means is smart so not all 3 mafia are voting the same town!!! Now I know who is fucking scum and I will not let you live anylonger. I swear that one. You fooled me now for days but killing my amore is one to much! I will get you! I will vote you all!
who is "you" in "you fooled me"?
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Finally around. But I caught up on my phone earlier, noted some posts that I wanted to react too
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On March 19 2024 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I reread the night post and beyond as best I could but I'm not really seeing anything that directly addresses my question, since Palmar was town, why does DMB do what she did?
I'm not gonna argue she looks absolutely terrible yesterday, but it's mylo so I want to be certain of my vote when I place it. Rels please address why scum DMB does what she did when town Palmar was available for her to vote for and probably not end up in the spotlight the same way she is right now. Also does vivax flip change any of how you're reading?
I'm going to feel like I've committed a deep wound to my honor if I don't sheep Vivax like i said I would, especially after he died and isn't here to lead that lynch.
Is the question, why didn't she push Palmar? My guess is that it was a play together with Jealous to appear like partners not really wanting to push each other. If that's true, that was really beautifully played
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On March 20 2024 05:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day? Just about to ask this myself, kinda feels like she's opportunistically trying to vote whoever she thinks others will follow her on. Vivax had jealous lined up last night, maybe she thought more would bite, I was certainly leaning that way initially. And now the DP vote since that got traction yesterday. Won't be surprised if she tries Rels later. The trick is going to be figuring out if she's bussing or just trying to throw us off her teammates for tomorrow. I still think Jealous is a reasonable teammate for her to have, one of the only ways yesterday makes sense. Eh I don't think dmb would think that for either alignment.
What's the "that" in that sentence? I didn't get it
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On March 20 2024 05:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:
DMB, can you please explain to me why you think Rels is mafia. Just pretend I was some outside spectator who did not read a single page of this game. Look at the voting filter. He always voted the right person, his filter is perfect. Am I fucking wrong to get paranoid about such a perfect filter. If you are town you just fucking write you opinion and there is always a wrong thougt and a wrong vote included as Town. The filter was to perfect to be Town. Reading the filter is like talking to a clairvoyant. Then the thread got attention to his TMI Filter so he voted on Town Palmar to not look like a oracle of delphi anymore.
Again with this point. Not only is it not true, but even if it were, unless you show what read I couldn't have made as scum, it doesn't make sense
Here is an example: I thought your Palmar townread yesterday was too good for the given explanation:
On March 18 2024 10:21 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:20 Rels wrote:On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw. Say the person that literally has the power to save him right there right now Why do you townread Palmar again? He behaves as the same dickhead as last game. and I refuse do vote on any wagon thats pushed and made by DP
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On March 20 2024 06:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 05:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:41 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. And do you think he may have slipped here too? How is this one a slip? To your other point - I also found that a bit weird. I would only breathe a sigh of relief if I'm town. Therefore he knows I'm town. You'd breathe a sigh of relief as either alignment because that makes your decision more likely to come from town than from scum (because it'd be fucking stupid as scum) and thus less of a reason to suspect/lynch you regardless of your alignment.
Really weird logic there to justify the joke, so maybe good point in retrospect by iamperfection. The joke was fine IMO, but this new explanation doesn't make sense. If iamperfection is scum, he would know already that he'll gain that towncred sooner or later
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On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too.
I loved this post so much
And BTW I kinda agree with Jealous, the german thing is kinda like the forced dumbtell D2, I can more likely see scum!DMB faking it than it being genuine
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On March 20 2024 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
There is a bit of a dichotomy between DMB calling herself 'bad town' and also thinking we are all noobs and she is the only one to nail the scum team.
Agree
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And to answer JAT, I didn't see anything from DMB that couldn't come from scum. I disagree that the dumb tunnel and aggressiveness cannot come from scum!her, since she was similar in the other scum game she played
I also think Jealous is scum though, also didn't see anything that would have changed my mind, not a fan of most of his posts today, ironically except the ones on DMB (I guess it's easier when you have to case an actual scum ...)
Would prefer a DMB flip today, but whatever happens while I'm away tomorrow, I'll vote with the majority. I'll be around for the lynch, on my phone in the worst case
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On March 21 2024 06:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous new vote analysis is just more or less the same in a new format again. Busywork without a lot of conclusions that are drawn.
My thinking exactly
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On March 21 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
maybe it´s better that the game ends tonight.
I am getting do much emtions in this game and not the good ones
I really, really sympathize if you're town. I've been there before
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Even as scum TBH, this level of effort for what should be a bus day is impressive
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I'm really sorry DMB. I cannot see you as not scum. Those in particular seal the deal for me:
- the forced dumbtell D2 that went on for abnormally long
- the Palmar townread based on very thin meta that wasn't even true in my opinion
- the CopCake vote on someone you townread was pretty opportunistic, especialyl since CopCake was probably never going to get lynched past that point. I really made town lose a mislynch
- you playing like your scum meta last night and today, very sure of your target, very relentless and aggressive. Even going from "I know I'm bad town" which I found kinda townie before that, to some kind of variation of "don't you dare call me bad" lately
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but yeah your desesperation right now seems pretty fucking real. Kudos if that's really fake
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On March 21 2024 10:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 09:48 Rels wrote:On March 21 2024 06:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous new vote analysis is just more or less the same in a new format again. Busywork without a lot of conclusions that are drawn. My thinking exactly Trying to stimulate discussion by providing possibilities. I did dives into filters and shared reads and lists several times. What have y'all done/contributed?
Despite all of this, I didn't see anything that I thought was a good point or a real possibility. The basic thing is that if you're town, it doesn't really matter if scum!iamperfection or scum!DP hammers you or Palmar
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BTW are we missing the whisperer again? Jealous was whisperer yesterday right?
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On March 21 2024 10:45 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:45 Rels wrote:
BTW are we missing the whisperer again? Jealous was whisperer yesterday right? I was the whisperer again today.
Got it
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Really hope we see some red, pretty awful game from me otherwise
Who would it even be in that case, JAT/MZ/Jealous I guess?
DP if you're scum, fucking kudos, most incredible performance ever
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On March 21 2024 10:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:37 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 09:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
are you guys really think I believe that there is nobody online besides Dp one hour before the lynch who will either end the game or give us finally a scum
I don´t even get a chance here. My feeling is right with the corruption I shouldn´t even invested time today in this game when nobody is interested in my posts anyway.
And this town is not allowed to be mad on me after the game is over and is like yeah but she looked so scummy. Fuck off to this town. You didn´t even care about what I was writting. I take no blame on this high lost game, because your egos are too big for a reread and accepting that I may be right with my dp reads and you just don´t accept that there is a possibilty that I am Town.
Pls believe you master dp. Did you all not reserve a sock full of shit to get free? I tried. I really tried to see past the fact that your behavior was objectively scummy. I entertained the thought of a DP/iamp team and shared it here. I voted DP with you yesterday. However, your begging and pleading after you pulled a 180 on me will get you nowhere here. The only person responsible for your position is yourself, regardless of your alignment. changing fast my reads if I see something what is in my eyes scummy. That is what should make me turn here. Read my mafia game. Thats to risky to make as mafia. Also voting outside of the wagon to risky would have not done that either Okay but you understand that if you're town, you lost one of the only potential allies you had in me the moment you flipped a 180 on me, called me scum, and voted to lynch me after I jumped on DP with you, right? Think about it. I have been one of the few people even willing to entertain the idea that DP could be scum, and you basically decided to bury me despite saying "I WiLl NeVeR vOtE fOr a DP wAgOn AgAiN." So, even if you flip town, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Kind of sympathize with that post. I had the same thought earlier, that DMB made it hard to win me over if she's town with how she treated me post Palmar flip
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GG scum! At the very least we weren't even close ... I don't know if that really should be a relief but ...
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Thanks for hosting Grack
Thanks for the 2 votecounts Artanis :p
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On March 21 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:
Wp Oats, DP, Jat
Jealous too. Undoubtedly mafias greatest asset.
Mz and Rels were ok too
lol
I really hated the way you reacted to me post Palmar flip. Almost ragequit the game - actually I did ragequit the game, and came back the next day
But yeah apart from that, good read on DP
MZ had an incredible D2 IMO. That was always where I came back to when I wanted to suspect him
JAT, fuck. The thing that really hit me was the reactions to the VE 3 cases. Exact copy of what I thought. What a mindmeld. It fucked me off for the rest of the game
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The CopCake lynch really screwed us over
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I have no idea how any of you caught DP though. I read DMB case for instance, I wasn't convinced at all
The only way it would have happened was if we got the 2 other scums first and he still didn't die
What a performance
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I always shoot Koshi first as scum no matter what, so I'm not super convinced :p
But yeah as I said, if we caught the other 2, then it wouldn't make sense for him to be alive for 2 more days
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Sorry Palmar for being so tunnelled. I'd like to think that if I was available to interact with you at all, things might have turned out differently. I know it happened a couple of games back where you got me out of my tunnel on you and back to the right track
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