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On March 05 2024 02:14 iamperfection wrote:
Vivax I cant
On March 05 2024 02:15 iamperfection wrote:
Blazinghand level play if town vivax there I said it.
On March 05 2024 02:27 iamperfection wrote:
Why in the world would we make that moron mayor
I was laughing about this though, earlier
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On March 05 2024 03:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh My reaction to what specifically? To the claim. You knew that there's only one correct play but you still go for the bad one, unless you are scum that is.
That's not the "only correct play". Who cares if mafia ties a roleblock on you? Our blues are most likely there in the fucking open already because both of you decided to be dumbasses.
And your current state of reads, specifically on me and iamp, is telling me you dont need BG's to protect you, and your role is useless as you made it useless, so what gives?
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On March 05 2024 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:33 Vivax wrote:
iamp and rayn drop from the town tier holding hands see this is why i dont trust you making good decisions really  Do you speak for iamperfection now? Tell me how he's doing anything that looks like finding mafia or pushing town to the correct decisions.
mayoring me, os someone else with level head is actually the absolute correct decison.
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On March 05 2024 03:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh My reaction to what specifically? To the claim. You knew that there's only one correct play but you still go for the bad one, unless you are scum that is. That's not the "only correct play". Who cares if mafia ties a roleblock on you? Our blues are most likely there in the fucking open already because both of you decided to be dumbasses. And your current state of reads, specifically on me and iamp, is telling me you dont need BG's to protect you, and your role is useless as you made it useless, so what gives? You'd call an innocent child claim useless by your logic, so you have none
No, i'd call a useless innocent child screaming for medic useless.
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On March 05 2024 03:49 Vivax wrote:
If you vote for uncertainty over certainty you're a dumbass. Period
How am i voting for uncertainty exactly?
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Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable.
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On March 05 2024 03:57 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 03:51 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:49 Vivax wrote:
If you vote for uncertainty over certainty you're a dumbass. Period How am i voting for uncertainty exactly? Voting yourself is the correct play 100% of the time. It's the others on you that I question the decision making of. You think scum rayn masoned marv of his own free will? It's not worth considering imo. Do you think he'd get away with it if he masoned players who are considered low tier? Can you even finish a thought. He could mason mid tier no problem
He could also just shut up about the mason and not send any PM to Grack.
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On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn?
Because he is from mafiascum.
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On March 05 2024 04:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Outside of hypothetical, what % of chance do you think there is that Vivax is scum there?
0,02%
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On March 05 2024 04:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 02:06 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
Not sure. I think DP's point #3 in his case is valid. I don't know if Cake's defense on that is townie or not. Sorry, what point is point 3? There were two posts with numbered points and I am not sure which you are referring to. On March 05 2024 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:26 iamperfection wrote:
I'm also pretty null on dp right now too I think his point on Cake, where Cake is accusing DP of being too quiet when 50% of posts in the game are DP's, is valid. CopCake, do you have any response to this?
She did respond already
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On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa
how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
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On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information?
I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here.
There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is:
"I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better."
I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play.
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On March 05 2024 04:16 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa how can you look into a person who has posted nothing? there are things like "this guy when he gets mafia just peace out" and stuff like that. I remember someone from here doing that.
Nobody can just completely peace out, because you get modkilled if you don't post -- or vote -- at all during the day.
The longer people wait to post, the harder it gets for mafia to post, that is regardless of how good the player is as mafia.
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On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town?
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On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town.
Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
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On March 05 2024 04:25 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? We are never 100 % sure of the aligment from somebody especially when it's this early in the game, but we are 100 % sure about the aligment from ourselfs. He is parnoid enough that he rather would claim blue and make sure there is no mafia major (as we have in our city) then trust anybody else. I would understand that one.
So are you saying if anyone who is a blue role is not getting elected, should claim just to get elected?
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On March 05 2024 04:32 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:
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I disagree for what it is worth.
The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. because you don´t seem so townisch to me
what i seem to you makes no difference since it's vivax we are talking about here.
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On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:
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I disagree for what it is worth.
The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you....
I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2).
So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just:
1) dont get to live long enough
2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough
Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor.
I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)?
The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
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On March 05 2024 04:52 iamperfection wrote:
Vivax what is this your just making everyone go in circles. Just stop. Talk about something else. Vote ve
I am all in voting for VE tbh.
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