Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 16

On December 14 2023 23:08 sandroba wrote:
Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this.

Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town.

Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows.

HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching.

Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN.

DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment.

Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him.

Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid.

Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town.

Updated game view:
Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez
Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn
Town: HF, Slam, Trfel

On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:

He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia.

On December 14 2023 23:36 Trfel wrote:
Isn't that the definition of an association read? Specifically an unflipped association read (which then becomes flipped)?

It's one thing if he said that the way you were pushing Vivax was towny. As far as I could tell, he said that he thought you were towny because you were pushing Vivax and Vivax was very likely mafia. That's a key difference.

But yes, I do think that if you are townreading someone because you think they are right and they end up being wrong, you shouldn't townread them for that anymore. Obviously that doesn't apply to oneself because you don't need to have a read on oneself.

Very confused.

On December 14 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.

On December 14 2023 23:40 Palmar wrote:


See, the warning signs. I hate them.

But I also can't deal with it now so I'm going to continue ignoring.

On December 14 2023 23:42 sandroba wrote:

WHY are you being his cheerleader though? You accused me of being submissive while you are doing worse with Palmar.
Why would it take my flip for you to reconsider? It should be pretty obvious to anyone that I'm town. The only thing productive I can really do at this point is be obvious town and let other townies with more cred push a good lynch.
It's clear I'm not as good at finding mafia as I used to be, why would you look at Palmar after I flip town?

On December 14 2023 23:44 Palmar wrote:

Point is we both are.

If Sandroba somehow flips green that means both our top 2 scum reads on day 1 were wrong. If we are somehow both town in that situation we almost deserve to lose.

And I can't really complain too much because I will have been wrong twice... just as much as you.

In a game where tomorrow is lylo, this is a very, very scary proposition. Today's lynch may decide the game. Which is why I'm trying to figure out if there is a chance yesterday was TvT.

On December 14 2023 23:50 sandroba wrote:
Rest of town: Don't let both these clowns decide anything. They are either Mafia or terrible. I want them to look at my filter and freaking justify this retarded lynch. It will be super easy to just say "well shucks we were wrong again guys" if they are not forced to produce bullshit reasons for voting for me.

On December 14 2023 23:52 Alakaslam wrote:

I think your hesitancy is because y'all mutually find each other to be the tesla lineup.

Palmar mad scummy.

Remove roses from eyes

On December 14 2023 23:54 Palmar wrote:
I often put effort into day 1 as mafia.

What I don't do is agonize over the lynch on day 2 when I'm not even on the menu.

On December 14 2023 23:56 Palmar wrote:
lol I just went back to the filter thing and Chez's filter was still an unclicked link. I really, really don't bother with troll players.

On December 15 2023 00:05 Trfel wrote:
Is this what agonizing over the lynch looks like for Palmar though? He's discussing things but constantly seems set on lynching sandroba?

Genuine question.

On December 15 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Slam why don't you want to lynch Sandroba?

On December 15 2023 00:16 sandroba wrote:

See case in point.