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On June 07 2023 02:28 die_meatbaby wrote: /in the newbie era is over  I accept no less than three mafia lynched D1, otherwise you're mafia  | ||
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On June 07 2023 07:38 Chezinu wrote: Are we all going to make the exact same posts as last game? I once copied my posts from other town games for like 20 first hrs, for shits and giggles. Everyone thought i was mafia because "meta" | ||
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On June 09 2023 00:10 Hapahauli wrote: Oh holy shit I get to play with Marv again? Why do you think i messaged you? There is also DarthPunk. | ||
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On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? | ||
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Do you have any reasons to think i am town? | ||
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Technically i guess you could call theragun a sex toy, very expensive sex toy | ||
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On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? | ||
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I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? | ||
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On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote: If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? Because i thought marv's opener was very blend and i wanted to see if you came to the same conclusion on your own. | ||
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On June 09 2023 14:43 Vivax wrote: Is this even LS ? I‘m stuck to playing on phone since my pc is failing to boot but I tried checking if it‘s a recycled post and cba to do it on mobile, maybe someone could help ? I don‘t remember LS being first to post like... Ever Copypaste from H O L Y F # # # E mafia. | ||
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He definitely could have copied a "town opener" as mafia, especially since we were talking about copying posts from other games with Chezinu before the game. | ||
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In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point? | ||
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On June 09 2023 15:27 DarthPunk wrote: 1.) I did it to you because you did it to me 2.) I explained what the point was. 3.) see 2. I did it because i expected something from you. Did you expect something from me? It hasn't been clear to me yet if you did or not. This: On June 09 2023 14:29 DarthPunk wrote: The point is that you generate information, and make people take positions to get the game going :D ..is bullcrap mostly, because if there is nothing to have an opinion on, then there is no point in forging an opinion on something. If you think i should have had an opinion on something at that time, feel free to call me scum for it. If not, then you were just making a pointless question you even pressed onwards without any basis in the first place. | ||
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On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. This is a bad read. Not saying Slam is mafia but Slam would probably post exactly what he did as mafia if LS is town. | ||
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On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote: But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? | ||
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On June 09 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote: rayn, you seem a bit angrier than last game, what gives? Not really angry, just annoyed at DP a bit. Nothing too much. | ||
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On June 09 2023 16:32 DarthPunk wrote: The read is based on his reactions with scepticism rather than dismissal as a bad read. The first indicates a mindset of suspicion, natural for town and notably absent from his last game The second which I noticed a lot reading his filter postgame was a lot of town reads and dismissing scum reads of others without promoting suspicions of his own. Not a lot, but enough to make him look good to me. Okay that explains it better. | ||
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I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. | ||
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What gives? | ||
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On June 09 2023 17:02 DarthPunk wrote: He was easy going Last game and you read him town in obs for it and he flipped maf so…. Except he actually wasn't easy going | ||
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Should have figured him out from my first fucking post in the game lol | ||
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On June 09 2023 17:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Rayn gets little emotional here (maybe more than he should) and defense himself, where is nothing to defense, because it was just a question. you got it wrong i was not defending i was attacking. | ||
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Well i don't really care about you scumreading me, unless you are mafia with exactly marv and hapa and that's quite a low possiblity. | ||
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Which cake? | ||
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Okay, which was? | ||
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On June 09 2023 17:37 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that you didn’t understand why I would make that post. I’ve said this twice already at least. But I like the cake push so I’m more neutral right now. I don't really get it still... Like this is a bit exaggerated example of what happened: rayn: would you say TTT is mafia or town rn? DP: i can't lol rayn: But if you MUST DP: i still can't, dude that's stupid rayn: no i was just trying to get the game going DP: with a completely pointless question rayn: i think youre scum because you dont understand what i was doing Can you see why i have problems with this atm? | ||
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On June 09 2023 18:43 TankTopTiger wrote: @Rayn How tf on Earth did you expect DP to want to lynch Marv 10 posts into Endures I from: You actually expected DP to turn around without priming and call for Marv's head? Did you mention that in-thread or anything later or is this the first time you've said this aloud? I myself thought last game (i didn't say it though at the time) that there was a possibility marv is mafia for his bland entrance to the game. I asked DP who would he lynch just to see if he felt the same (i didn't find anything else even mildly suspicious at the time). I am not saying i expected DP to lynch marv, i am not saying it would make marv scum, i was expecting, that i would get a better (town)read on DP if he saw the same thing i did there (regardless of if i was right or wrong on that). In this game i don't see DP's angle on why he is "doing this" to me. | ||
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On June 09 2023 18:45 TankTopTiger wrote: I've read the thread twice now. I waited until I was reading the second time to actually post anything. I mean you quoted: post 1 post 2 post 3 post 4 Why did you post questions on them in order post 2 post 1 post 3 post 4 | ||
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Because if he actually did post the stuff in not timeline order, it could indicate he is not actually reading the thread properly or in chronological order (which you should not do if you are town). But i made a mistake with the times myself. | ||
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On June 09 2023 19:06 TankTopTiger wrote: It's weird that you don't understand Rayn. But it's weird if you're town or if you're Mafia. I'm gonna go ahead and dismiss this as you two getting snagged on each other. I don't really respect your stated play re: marv+dp last game, and I don't really understand what's going on with you and being sus of getting the ball rolling, but I don't see why you'd tunnel on this as town. I don't understand what you mean by "stated play re: marv+dp last game"? I think DP posed a useless question towards me and i want to know why he is doing it, it's really that simple. | ||
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Hope you get what i mean. | ||
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On June 09 2023 19:22 TankTopTiger wrote: That piece of information basically resolves all my concerns regarding copcake at this point. Why is that? I know it makes sense for her if she is town but why do you discount the possibility she is mafia and i am town? What would she do differently knowing i am town? | ||
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On June 09 2023 19:28 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Stated play etc. The thing you stated about testing DP on his read on Marv. It feels overly specific for the context. You're basing your interpretation of DP's line of questioning on the stuff going through your mind last game. But DP didn't know what you were thinking, DP was probably assuming that if you can do it to him, then he can do it to you, and if you don't let him do it to you then this sort of conversation happens and people have real content maybe. Yeah which is exactly why i am not calling him mafia, just stupid at the moment. I really dont see point in staring the conversation on something you cant start conversation on. But time will tell better of his alignment. On my watch list atm sure. | ||
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So far i think Vivax is town and mebaby maybe town and Slam maybe town and LS maybe scum. Can't tell on other people. | ||
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On June 09 2023 19:31 TankTopTiger wrote: How much has CC played? I think around 8-10 games here and ~15 on other forums. | ||
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On June 09 2023 19:39 TankTopTiger wrote: How many have you played together? I don't know but i also don't remember a single game on top of my head where i was town when playing with her ^^ | ||
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On June 09 2023 14:43 Vivax wrote: Is this even LS ? I‘m stuck to playing on phone since my pc is failing to boot but I tried checking if it‘s a recycled post and cba to do it on mobile, maybe someone could help ? I don‘t remember LS being first to post like... Ever When i tell he copied from another game, vivax says: On June 09 2023 16:59 Vivax wrote: If he‘s town then cause he copypastad something. You don‘t really believe that the relief is true if it‘s copypasta do you ? Does mafia go put something in the thread that they can be poked about instantly ? Wifom-y but I‘d wager not. Bit of an oversimplified way to discern his alignment, in my opinion *glare* "yeah it is town anyways", what's the point of the first post if you think it has no relevance? | ||
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"Yes it was" "Does mafia go put something like that in the thread?" lolwut? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:23 Vayoletta wrote: Heyooo party people! I’m spending my entire day at an amusement park today and have like no time to play, so y’all need to just deal with it. Hope you get amused! But what about evening? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:21 Chezinu wrote: Vivax, Slam, DMB Slam kill TTT this time. Is this the red squad mr. mailman? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:28 die_meatbaby wrote: No TTT seems to be more townie than everybody else here. I think he is saying Vivax, Slam, DMB is mafia and this time Slam needs to kill TTT so he wont lose. | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:31 CopCake wrote: I think, and HOPE that clarifies the whole lunch and cake can't read what Dart posted btw. But there is still the question why am i town? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote: Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral what would i do differently if i was mafia? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote: Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she wont explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia., Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake yeah that's fine. | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote: role PMS | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses. Do you just mean honest? @copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? I fucking like this guy! | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: @copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? | ||
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DarthPunk wrote: Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia., Which questions had already been answered? So far i can only find the question "Why is Slam town?" towards you from Cake. | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote: Btw if you have question towards me, go ahead. why am i town? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:53 LightningStrike wrote: Not saying that TTT is telling truth per say in that post Rayn but it just his attitude how he plays the game is very much how he played last game so at least it's a start! What are you referring to here LS? | ||
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you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? | ||
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have i done that before or where do you get that idea? | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:22 LightningStrike wrote: The Copcake stuff. I did reread it though maybe something there? Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think though reading his filter. He's asking a question, how can that be true or false? | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:28 LightningStrike wrote: I was referring to this part of the post. He did ask a question there similar style how he was last game hence my comment about my read on him. Yeah and DP comes out way worse looking than Cake from that. RE; Cake, okay, i don't doubtyou would lie about that. Doesn't make you town but definitely doesn't make you mafia (rayn read). | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia., DP lets get this straight; Which are the questions she asked that were already answered in the thread, that make you think she is mafia? | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote: He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit. | ||
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wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit? | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote: I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already. | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- Don't worry. We can talk about bubble gum, which flavor is the best? | ||
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On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia., still looking for the questions. deliver or vote | ||
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On June 09 2023 23:02 TankTopTiger wrote: @Rayn & CC I don't think it's plausible that you are both red so I'm going to trust you both when you say it's reasonable for CC to trust Rayn in this game. I'm trusting you two to know each other better than I know you. CC isn't completely off the hook with me, she's still probably most red, but not deep red like she would have been if Rayn answered differently. I'm gonna go to bed, I expect tomorrow we can resolve these claims about lying etc. with some slower posting if need be. Dont worry it has been good shit already, will get better when the US ppl (who cant fake shit as mafia) come along | ||
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Are we town? | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:26 Hapahauli wrote: Why do you feel strongly about LS? I dont feel strongly about LS, i feel like he could be scum. His opener mostly, it was copied from another game. | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:32 Hapahauli wrote: I’m a bit off guard at how… calm you’ve been so far Does it bother you other people like marv say i am angry? | ||
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On June 09 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote: rayn, you seem a bit angrier than last game, what gives? Hapa? | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:38 Hapahauli wrote: It sounds like you think that LS’s posting is NAI as opposed to actually scummy. yeah whatever i found something worth pushing actually. | ||
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Is it D2 lynch only on you? | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote: Explain me the chezinu thing Is it only because he voted vivax? Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all. | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:51 Chezinu wrote: Or it is the first 24 hours of day one and I voted based on last game's results. Vivax was lynched first. Idk i only know who you voted for, for now it seems like what i said. If you think differently, give me some mail!! | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: From both of them? No. | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote: It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. .................... the what? | ||
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not slam not mebaby not hapa maybe not DP who knows... | ||
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you called me town when youre not supposed to | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: 1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia. why is one person mafia and one town exactly? you said "i did this once and one was mafia and one was town", it doesn't say anything. | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good. i am going to agree, even if i dont want to. | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote: It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest. On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote: At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt. I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu ##vote LightningStrike sorry vivax i think this is it. | ||
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On June 10 2023 06:52 LightningStrike wrote: I did say who I think it is if I had to choose here: You did ask why did I had to choose as well here: Which again in my choosing post I did explain why I felt it was Darth over CopCake so it's misrepresenting me. First of all you dont have to choose anything you dont want. Second, your "choosing" ends up in a questionmark anyways so... | ||
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On June 10 2023 08:06 Vivax wrote: That depends. Do we live in everything, or do we live in a sausage ? sausage | ||
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Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about. Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place. I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently. DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general. I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you). Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: I think he is pretty clear in this post: ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. Last game he was obvious town from the start, the obs just didn't read the game at all D2. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote: But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much. Yes i am in the same boat with the information i have this far. What? | ||
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On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote: How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master I just really dont believe DMB writes this as town based on last game. Like fuck... no way. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:28 DarthPunk wrote: I'm also going to put it out there that MZ was incorrectly tunnelled last game. Got hit with a storm, get's vigged. Joins this game and then is basically tunneled again for similar reasons. Makes sense to be snarky, if we are town reading for emotional congruence. That's not what is happening, and Hapa was not even in the last game. Maybe youre doing something wrong if you get called mafia for the same shit over and over again as town. But again, that's not what Hapa is saying at least. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:33 DarthPunk wrote: Ignore that IMO, read after the Vivax flip and towards the endgame. Yeah read D2 another batch of insane shit. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:36 Chezinu wrote: Who we lynching!?!?! Idk yet but i am not voting DP or Cake and it's gonna be mistake to vote for either one. | ||
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Not the worst idea especially since Vivax who is clearly town thinks she is mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2023 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: I agree generally with this, and it is still wild to me how different the posting is across both games. I don't think i've ever seen anything like it. It's not even difference in posting in general, it's uhhh.... you will find the same elements of how someone comes to their conclusions, that's my problem. It's not like "yeah they just learned to play better" because your mind STILL works the same way even if you learn something, you just adapt new information into it (learning). | ||
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Cake comeon, do you really still think DP is mafia??? If you can't process what happened especially towards eod1 you're either insane or mafia if this read still sticks. | ||
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On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote: [...] If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax. Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk? I am assuming you are talking about DarthPunk voters here? If you think Cake is town why are you questioning her instead of the non-town reads for their votes? | ||
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On June 11 2023 19:14 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn how strong is your town read on cake btw? Not as strong as my reads on you, Vivax and Hapa, Slam level maybe. | ||
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Why do you think there must be mafia in DP wagon? The counter-wagon has flipped town, in case DP is town as well what does it matter where mafia votes? | ||
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On June 11 2023 19:44 CopCake wrote: ??????? Can’t mafia fake to try to save someone and then be “i told you so”? Or what I am not seeing right here? Please elaborate. Because I am tunelled. save someone to lynch themselves?????? you realise if DMB would not be lynched DP would most likely.. | ||
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On June 11 2023 19:57 CopCake wrote: He didnt want to lynch dmb, tho. He was proposing to lynch Vayoletta. Exactly, and what do you think would happen? I was asleep, TTT disagreed with Vayoletta lynch, noone on DP wagon would change obviously because well.. they think DP is mafia. Worst case scenario half of the people on DMB swap and DP kills himself. It's not a good mafia strategy. | ||
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On June 11 2023 20:18 CopCake wrote: Ok, now I get your point. You think mafia DP would have sit and be quiet and let Dmb die instead of trying to save her because if not, it was more likely he would be lynched. Exactly, not necessarily be quiet but not to advocate another lynch that strongly. The only way i can see that, is if DP somehow figured out DMB is blue and made an educated guess DMB is gonna claim and then he HAS to try to lynch someone else. I don't know if that's true and i would need to check better since it seemed like noone thought DMB is blue. | ||
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On June 12 2023 22:50 CopCake wrote: Top people tend to be town, and the deeper, the scummier, that is how most people do lists here. On June 12 2023 22:52 DarthPunk wrote: It seems like you are incredibly conscious of any, even remote suspicion towards you. This is also a classic mafia trait, more focused on suspicion towards you than determining the alignment of others. You can't be fucking serious DP? Everyone probably understood that list post,... | ||
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On June 13 2023 00:49 Chezinu wrote: People misunderstood the list. That was me putting people in possible Mafia group. TTT was last cause Slam gotz to kill TTT last. Okay. Too bad, then i have to retract from my townread on you because it would be a good reads ost. | ||
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On June 13 2023 02:43 marvellosity wrote: Think I’m missing something with the Slam townreads as I can’t differentiate his play so much from last game so far. Short answer from my part would be he seems more "happy" than last game. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? | ||
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On June 13 2023 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or is doubling down like "i want it more now"? If so, then forget about that post. or the last part. | ||
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On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote: Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly. My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz. I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material. I hope I did not forget anyone. I would love to hear your complete thoughts on TTT. | ||
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On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote: rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something How can you say this? I genuinely and single handedly lead the lynch on DMB. | ||
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On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway. The case is: + CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it + CC is not paranoid when she should be + CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later + CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS) I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post. | ||
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On June 13 2023 05:51 CopCake wrote: Idr if it was on obvs or in game but someone mentioned that rayn is “less agressive”/“passive”, or something like that and is because his style changed and because he rolled town, I strongly believe is the same here. He doesn’t need to shit up the thread to have control or give direction to his reads. There is also the DP eotd thing, I don’t think mafia rayn would share that, unless they are mafia together but that is not probable, considering that both of them could have easily misslynch me. I don't know about the first part but the second part is definitely true. Only times i have huge problems as mafia is when i am "inactive" longer times. That's why my activity doesn't tell anything about my alignment, i play when ever i can play, and even more so as mafia since if i can control the thread from the beginning it both gives me better options for mislynches and also makes me look more town. | ||
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On June 13 2023 05:54 marvellosity wrote: 100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued You'll have to wait until tomorrow morning though, since i need to work too, and it's gonna take time to put everything together. | ||
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I would have put myself into a position where i find a scumread on you and get you lynched, then argued my way out of it later, just because why not. Then i would shoot marv because marv has like 10x better eye for figuring me out than Hapa and after all i looooooove bullshitting Hapa when i am mafia, it's pretty much the only thing i take genuine pleasure in when i am mafia. | ||
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DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine. This particularly bothers me a little bit. One of the best posts last game from marv was answering to "why would mafia try to lynch Vivax so hard D1?" with "because they can, and after D1 Vivax becomes very quickly very obviously town and mafia can't lynch him anymore". It bothers me because i don't know why marv is not able to see that Vivax is quite obviously town. The read here in particular seems very half-arsed considering how Vivax has played this game. | ||
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On June 13 2023 08:38 DarthPunk wrote: You walking back your town read on me rayn? I don't really have any good reasons to think you're town other than your eod1. I am trying to figure out if it's possible you do that as mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2023 08:46 DarthPunk wrote: I'm going to choose to interpret this as respecting my scum play rather than thinking I am shit at being town :D Yes ofc. You don't have done anything scummy, except for maybe going way too soft on TTT. But we'll see about that. | ||
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On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony. TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game) Do you realise that Chezinu's top mafia read is TTT? | ||
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On June 13 2023 09:05 DarthPunk wrote: Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect. But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red. Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything. | ||
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On June 13 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote: Can anyone link me to the other site Vayoletta plays? I don't know any. Only finnish site and games are like 5yrs old (and in finnish), i havent played with him elsewhere. | ||
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Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^ | ||
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On June 13 2023 11:15 DarthPunk wrote: I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how. Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think ) | ||
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On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway. The case is: (1) CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it (2) CC is not paranoid when she should be (3) CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later (4) CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS) I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one. is made by mafia. I have numbered the reasons TTT gives for Cake being mafia and i am going to address them separately. (1) "CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it" This point on principle makes sense for someone being mafia. However there is a huge problem with me actually believing TTT believes this. Early on he seems like he is actually trying to make sense of Cake's read on me, he talks with me about it, and this is what he ends up with: On June 09 2023 19:21 TankTopTiger wrote: You two knowing each other would explain a lot. The alignment read on you too. On June 09 2023 19:22 TankTopTiger wrote: Right yep okay (congratulations!) That piece of information basically resolves all my concerns regarding copcake at this point. On June 09 2023 19:30 TankTopTiger wrote: All her actions that are questionable to me revolve around you, so your relationship is an explanation shared among all anomalies. e.g. she reads you as town for no reason => except she's your fiance and so your relationship plays an enormous part in how she interprets your actions and her trust in you, probably more than anything visible to me in game. At this point i tell TTT that i don't remember a single game where Cake has read me town when i have been town. He responds with: On June 09 2023 19:43 TankTopTiger wrote: That does make her reading you as town 2x weird. If you get repeatedly burned, you don't speak well of the fire. I don't understand how it makes it "2x weird" because at first it wasn't weird at all. Way of an overstatement, which i would not coming from a town who was just convinced of there being nothing wrong in Cake's read on me. Moving on... On June 09 2023 22:16 TankTopTiger wrote: For me, the main thing is why you have a town read on Rayn when that contradicts your meta of suspecting him. This meta is demonstrated in obs QT for endurance II, is evidenced by Rayn's report of your usual MO, and is expected based on your match history together of him being scum often (betrayal breeds suspicion not blind trust). All this other stuff is squabbling compared to that. IMO your answer to this question will likely decide whether you live to see the night. into: On June 09 2023 23:02 TankTopTiger wrote: @Rayn & CC I don't think it's plausible that you are both red so I'm going to trust you both when you say it's reasonable for CC to trust Rayn in this game. I'm trusting you two to know each other better than I know you. CC isn't completely off the hook with me, she's still probably most red, but not deep red like she would have been if Rayn answered differently. I'm gonna go to bed, I expect tomorrow we can resolve these claims about lying etc. with some slower posting if need be. At this point there is simply no other reason for TTT to read Cake red than Cake's read on me!!!! He agrees with us that it's at worst NAI for Cake to have a town read on me, but Cake is STILL red. Absolutely fabricated read! Almost anything else related to this isn't important anymore. There should simply be NO WAY TTT reads Cake mafia for this reason based on what he has said in thread regarding it. There is one point though. Since TTT is basing the read on Cake on what rayn says (lol), Cake answers TTT's concerns about it providing meta of Cake <-> rayn "dynamic: + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2023 19:24 CopCake wrote: I was mafia in this game and rayn was town, I won as mafia. It is a small game so it would be easier to read: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/563528-im-a-cop-you-idiot-round-2 On June 12 2023 19:45 CopCake wrote: In this game I was town, l didnt call rayn mafia, in fact I called him town. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3 For this, TTT answers the following: On June 12 2023 22:15 TankTopTiger wrote: If it's a lie take it up with Rayn. I don't read outside games I've played it's too much work. He said it, it made sense given he's been rolling scum a lot, and it was corroborated by obsQT. That's what the read is based on. Even if it isn't true, you still just flat-out assumed he was town and that's really bad unless you've established it as your meta and you haven't. So okay, for real... TTT's case on Cake hinges ENTIRELY ON CAKE TOWNREADING ME WHEN SHE SHOULDN'T! Cake provides HARD EVIDENCE saying otherwise and the guy DOESNT EVEN CARE TO LOOK AT IT!!!!!!! I mean like for TTT's case this is the ONLY way Cake can EVER defend herself and prove TTT wrong, and when she tries to do that, the dude just says "fu i dont wanna read that". This is simply 100% mafia talking. Always 100% mafia. (2) CC is not paranoid when she should be I don't understand what this is about at all since i can't see any reference to this in TTT's filter. I can only assume it refers to point (1) so basically nothing new here. (3) CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later There is huge problem here. Noone will never ever "play the game" same in obs than they play when they are actually in the game. I mean, do i even have to go into why this argument is absolutely retarded and fabricated and noone can ever think "you are playing differently than you were obsing" as town?????????? There are many points where TTT uses "but you did this in obs and youre not doing the same now", it's just completely unreal, a town player will never ever think anyone plays the same they obs a game, fucking 100% fact. (4) CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS) First of all, it is more likely for a townie to tunnel / suspect someone who calls them mafia, because they factually know that person is wrong (not necessarily lying but at least wrong). For a player who knows they are town, scumread on them ALWAYS looks bad, that's a fact. Marv did it last game (not tunnel, but similar). I have probably done it many times. When there is suspicion on you, when you are town, you want to clear the suspicion. In this game Cake has tried to do so, probably not that well, but still tried to do so. If we assume Cake is town and she is trying to clear the suspicions on her (aka posting her old games etc), if the counter to that is "nah im not gonna look at it, too much work, you still scum", what would YOU do in that situation? Because i would tunnel the shit out that mafia shithead. It's not OMGUS when the reasoning for the read is absolute garbage. Another thing regarding this, is that what has TTT himself done other than pushed Cake as mafia for these reasons he shouldn't even believe in? Let's see: - Waffled on DP all game, always ending up on light green on him (why the hell waffle even, DP is pushing exactly same stuff than him most of D1?) - Questioned almost conf town LS why he townreads his own townread (really?? )- Wanted to read marv / Vayoletta, instead of reading got into some random stupid argument with DP - Some random questions for some random other people that never lead anywhere I believe in do as you preach. People may have very different opinions on what makes people mafia, or what makes a good case. But they still always believe in their principles in scumhunting and follow them. If you think something is universally scummy (let it be whatever), you don't do it. The only exception i have ever come across here (aside from random bullshit trolls like kushmasta -- i mean in real mafia players, which i consider everyone being in this game), is MZ, which makes it usually impossible to read him. Nevertheless, TTT is definitely not doing as he preaches, since basically everything "relevant" he has done in this game is tunnel Cake, even when he has been given hard evidence that should be making him think otherwise. I would say it's a tunnel when you just skip the provided evidence and end up in same spot you were before, or even purposefully refuse to even look at the evidence. ##vote TTT | ||
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On June 13 2023 13:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I am hurt to be catching random strays in your analysis though What do you mean? | ||
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3) Meapak_Ziphh -- seems town today 5) marvellosity 6) Vivax -- 100% town 7) DarthPunk 8) Chezinu -- thinks TTT is mafia, seems like hard read, town 9) TankTopTiger -- scummy scum 10) Vayoletta -- scum most likely 11) CopCake -- town, also bs case from mafia against her 13) LightningStrike -- tracker so which one? retake from last game, except for one is mafia? | ||
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On June 13 2023 15:38 marvellosity wrote: Not nice when the boot is on the other foot, is it? I dont care, i am just gonna figure out this shit today. | ||
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On June 13 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote: You may have a more developed relationship with a town Vivax than I ever had. Possibly in the time after I stopped playing. If someone is in my top 3 town then I would expect to give their opinions some weight though (he says eyeing the vote on me…) I am referring to what you said last game about Vivax, what you are saying this game is 0% that smart. | ||
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On June 13 2023 15:46 marvellosity wrote: What did I say last game about Vivax? Something about tone and not lynching d1? Genuinely asking, my memory is terrible. Anyway let me read your case in peace before I get up for work these: On May 26 2023 00:13 marvellosity wrote: Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there. If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character. DP much less obvious. On May 27 2023 09:10 marvellosity wrote: By the way, and I don’t think this fairly obvious point has been made yet? Vivax is a terrible day 1 lynch if his filter is okay, as if he is mafia bud filter is gonna quickly deteriorate. If VE is town, lynching Vivax D1 is a huge blunder. If VE is mafia, lynching Vivax day 1 is the only chance he’s gonna get… best posts you made entire game. | ||
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On June 13 2023 15:55 Alakaslam wrote: I need to book flights to Helsinki. And a car to Vaasa or flight to Stockholm and then trains and ferries like we talked about. please do! i will pick you up from helsinki or stocholm even. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:05 marvellosity wrote: I’m running out of time this morning but rayn your case isn’t as clear cut as you think it is. I agree with various bits of it - to summarise extremely briefly, the stuff about obsQT etc is obviously bullshit, and agree with #4 in general too. How am i wrong on #1, noone wants to touch that shit with a pole and it's the most damning evidence. But the bit about ignoring evidence - TTT did exactly that to me last game, said I was scum for something to do with LS, I posted 3 of my posts in thread to easily disprove that, but he still kept repeating the same nonsense. It was really bad. I am gonna look that up when i wake up, gotta sleep soon. Also there is a language thing with the “twice as weird” bit, will try to explain later if you’re interested. Please elaborate, i can't understand even when i look up "twice as weird", i mean like i get what it means i think, but i don't understand how he uses it there as town given his earlier and later posts. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think he is the lynch. I’d like to flip vayoletta or Copcake. scum. just fucking scum | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:18 DarthPunk wrote: Your associative reads are really bad this game. this has nothing to do with association. regardless of TTT's alignment you are most likely mafia. On June 13 2023 16:17 DarthPunk wrote: This guy is one of the most argumentative people I know. And he does that shit in irl mafia too. So as exactly TOWN he gives up, not as MAFIA????????? so gives up when he has all the time in the world to address the case he knows is not right would not give up if the case is right and there is no way out that's what youre saying? | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:21 DarthPunk wrote: Your case wasn’t as good or obvious as you seem to think it was. fine. defend him then. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:27 DarthPunk wrote: Yes 100 percent this guy works in engagement and drops things all the time based on if he is engaged by it or not. When he is mafia in this situation he would be engaged with trying to deceive and survive. You know, i havea huge problem here. Because like 10 minutes ago you were with me, and TTT drops a boo-hoo post (which in general i absolutely hate, either fucking play to your best or not play at all) you're all in "i know 100% meta i know rayn is wrong". It feels wrong as hell. When he is town he is engaged by catching mafia and prosecuting cases so when he gives up post some reads etc it makes me think town. has he been? i dont think he has. I could be getting hoodwinked by him here. But I think it would be next level. If you wanna call me mafia for not agreeing with you go right ahead. I wanna call you mafia for first agreeing with me, and then do fucking full 180 for some random bs post a 6yr old could do when being under real pressure. If I used that exact thought process I would have called you mafia for defending Copcake for dubious reasons long ago and not really engaging with the evidence against her. There we are. fine, call me mafia. my reasons were not dubious, go call them dubious and provide evidence please so we can see what the actual evidence says. | ||
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If TTT is mafia, why - is there only one mafia in your wagon? - Why not two? It's not like anyone could blame anyone for voting you at the time they did.. - Who is the said mafia? General statements like "one of these 3-4 players is mafia" are not helping you atm. | ||
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On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote: Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it? Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well? | ||
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On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well? The whole thing of not looking at evidence stinks this game more than last game. Last game he has probably misread something and made a conclusion based on his own world view (his own misreading posts / situation). This game he immediately takes me saying "cake always reads me as scum when i am town" at face value, which is already weird. There is nothing to "read" there even. then Cake comes, posts a couple of her games and says "look TTT, here, what rayn is saying is not correct". He simply just refuses to even contribute to the evidence provided to him. I find the situation in comparison to last game very different. In last game you could argue it's a matter of interpretation (while it's really not), but you COULD, as TTT think it is. This game there is no room for that. | ||
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On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote: This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting. Trying to over explain a read backflip imo. Vayoletta elaborate please. | ||
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On June 14 2023 05:26 marvellosity wrote: The thing is I agree with you which is why he’s possibly mafia and not more likely town. But the similarity to last game is still there. The alternative does exist, I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you make out Well resat of his filter is still just white noise, nothing ever leads to anything. | ||
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On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote: Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list. Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax? You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)? | ||
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On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote: Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom. I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here. Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax? | ||
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On June 14 2023 08:02 Vivax wrote: Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ? What? I have already made a case on him. Even if Cake is mafia the way he handles the case on her is absolutely terrible. | ||
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On June 14 2023 08:58 Vayoletta wrote: You managed to appear right when I’m leaving. Time for me to head to sleep. If I die, PoE tomorrow is TTT/Chez/MZ/Marvel. I believe the three wolves are in that group. I think it's a quite good PoE. I'm sorry i don't think i can do anything here to help you. :/ Good thing is a lot of people have put themselves into position that's hard to get off as mafia. Or maybe i am, if you're atually mafai. So please do not be mafia, for ONCE i townread you in a game lol. | ||
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On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote: I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically: 1) They lurk 2) I refuse to policy lynch them 3) They finally give reads after the lynch 4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification. 5) I ask them to expand on their read 6) They ignore me 7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave 8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me. Yeah Hapa was probably killed because his reads were bad, totes agree!! | ||
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On June 14 2023 09:44 Vivax wrote: I switched cause rayn asked, let‘s see if my arguments had any merit. Well you were too late, now it's up to Slam. | ||
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On June 14 2023 09:46 DarthPunk wrote: I'm not locked in here for what its worth. I'm still open to both lynches. I'm just trying to find the best of two reasonable options. Look at who you are voting with and who you aren't. Obviously if both are mafia it doesn't mean shit, but if they aren't.... | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:38 Hapahauli wrote: I could lynch TTT. Really not a fan of how his reads have evolved over the course of Day 1. I think he has gone after LightningSTrike and CopCake very opportunistically, constantly, throughout the day. I think this vote on CopCake in particular is egregious, because he is accusing CopCake of giving Rayn the "Benefit of the Doubt" while essentially doing the same thing with DarthPunk. Looking at what he has said about his DarthPunk read, it is essentially that he is "playing different" and that he has a plausible IRL claim, but he hasn't elaborated on that at all. On June 11 2023 10:57 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote MZ Just gonna put my money where my mouth is in case it is viable. Am watching the votecount just in case. On June 11 2023 11:14 Hapahauli wrote: You are straight up lying if you're suggesting you weren't tunneling LS literally the whole day. You were suggesting lynching him until the second he claimed. | ||
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On June 14 2023 10:06 DarthPunk wrote: I could actually lynch MZ in this spot I think. I think what hapa said about his aggressive tone continues to be right, and is a marked difference from his play last game, even when he was under rpessure. You realise if MZ is mafia then Vayoletta is certainly town. | ||
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On June 14 2023 10:42 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn am I just super tunnelled and incorrect on copcake? I think you are. | ||
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On June 14 2023 23:16 Vivax wrote: Very likely yes Alright i am here now. Have you changed your read on TTT? | ||
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On June 15 2023 06:07 Chezinu wrote: ryan not finding mafia yet is sus. Vivax usually good at scumhunting. Copcake what ya think? i tried hard to lynch mafia D2, why did you not? | ||
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But how can you say i have not found mafia? It's the same when D1 you vote for (town) Vivax into (town) me, for "it has to be same as last game". (i kind of understand your vote on me, just not why you left it there until end of day) D2 you vote against TTT because "it has to be the same as last game" -- you, slam and TTT lylo. Okay, themewise it's all good but it's VERY convenient for you to say that if you're mafia. | ||
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Advocate lynches on TTT / MZ always. Don't get swayed by bullshit, even by town DP bullshit. You need to do that, those two are always mafia. | ||
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marv knows this, "noone ever trusts dead people posts". If Cake is mafia, then TTT has to be town, and then it is always more beneficial to shoot like DP (i dont mean this makes DP mafia, just that he is wrong and Hapa is right). | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's the same when D1 you vote for (town) Vivax into (town) me, for "it has to be same as last game". (i kind of understand your vote on me, just not why you left it there until end of day) D2 you vote against TTT because "it has to be the same as last game" -- you, slam and TTT lylo. Okay, themewise it's all good but it's VERY convenient for you to say that if you're mafia. Can you tell me this is wrong somehow? Can you tell me why do you actually suspect me (as you think TTT is mafia anyways)? | ||
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i am not talking to you iam trying to make another townie make a good decision if i can affect that. you and marv are not in that category. | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: More useless than LS? you are not really making sense. Do you think Marv is mafia? yeah you are more useless, at least LS is voting with me. | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:50 DarthPunk wrote: You know what is weird to me Rayn, you are really the only one who has strong opinions and reads this game and after two mislynces it makes more sense to have doubts and be disoriented. It is sus as hell because you literally lead a mislynch on the doctor day 1 and your case on TTT wasn't that good. And yet you are super super confident that MZ and TTT are mafia, and while I have made it clear its possible, the lack of doubt from you over these reads is freaking me out, particularly after you said before vayo you didn't mind if they flipped because one of marv and vayo are mafia, and now you are not calling marv mafia. Your confidence vs activity vs townliness ratios are all fucking wrong this game. I dont give a shit, i didnt lead a mislynch D2. | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah you are more useless, at least LS is voting with me. i am sorry that's what youre gonna get this phase. | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:53 DarthPunk wrote: OK, you lynched the DOC day D1 and literally said you were ok with a Vayo lynch because either her or marv were scum. i lynched DOC and that's why should fell bad about why? never said the other thing. | ||
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On June 15 2023 08:58 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah he said that he wasn’t fighting against the Vayo lynch more because in his mind either Vayo or Marv were scum. But Vayo flipped town. He is not pushing Marv and he is trying to act all but hurt for a lynch that, by his own admission he was ok with. It looks scummy as fuck to be honest. read my filter | ||
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On June 14 2023 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You realise if MZ is mafia then Vayoletta is certainly town. On June 14 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not more vocal against this lynch is because in my world exactly one of MZ & Vayois mafia. So now stop posting until D3, please. Just let the people who know what they are doing do their work because you clearly have no fucking clue about anything atm. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:00 DarthPunk wrote: In your world if you mislynch then it’s their fault for being mislynched If others mislynch it’s their fault for mislynching. If you are wrong it’s because others are bad. If others are wrong it’s because they are bad. Fucking shit. ha. i actually never do this shit. hf does. you do. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: I used to do that. I don’t think like that anymore which is why it rubs me the wrong way. it rubs you the wrong way when you do it? like dont get me wrong, i have very high regards on your scumhunting abilities, but right now you are just a useless piece of shit. i am sorry to say that, but it was the same last game at various points. I know when i need to get my head straight, and it's not here this game or last game, but you definitely need to do it rn. Go read TTT and MZ. Then come to right conclusion, then figure out last mafia. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:09 DarthPunk wrote: It rubs me the wrong way when others do it, I don't know why you think I think MZ and TTT are town by the way. You have given the impression to me N2, sorry if i am wrong. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:14 Chezinu wrote: Did you not read the rules? You can't ask such questions to Chezinu. Ah yes but i can | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:17 DarthPunk wrote: You realise they were the only ones plus Marv who were interacting in the thread, I was trying get them to do stuff and posts reads and not get away with talking about pointless shit (TTT) tying to get him off the CC read and post more stuff. This should have obvious to a town Rayn, but you are instantly tunnelled on your reads this game which I don't like because I really respect your ability to incorporate new information and adjust and this game it doesn't even seem like you are looking for new information. good call me mafia then, see if i care | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:21 Chezinu wrote: Am I allow to say yes or no to rayn's question? host meta!!!!!!!! | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn. Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now. If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment? you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/ | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: For real though, Chezinu, do you genuinely think one or two of me and Vivax are mafia? | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote: You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia. and? | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong. Especially when they're jackasses about it can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game? Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:30 Chezinu wrote: He just cares about what I think cause he <3 me!!! i think he is just mafia | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote: Im trying to do that and you say this: What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way) you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say. I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad. Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:38 DarthPunk wrote: I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about. yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:40 Chezinu wrote: Ok, time for the serious questions. Rayn have you cuddled with anyone lately? Could Vivax so easily lynch the a cuddle buddy as town? I think Vivax didnt want to lynch DMB after all late D1. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol. can you please quote the posts so i can be sorry for him? | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote: It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance? i think we just see the game differently... | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote: He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot. you shouldnt buy influence from mafia. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:44 Chezinu wrote: DP has this weird view of distort brown marydom. He says it's not about survival. Chezinu if you aretown. I know you are scumreading TTT. Read MZ, it's unreal. A good read, might spill some goodwine on! :D | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here? Because it just comes across as false bravado. good for you, have at it. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote: I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you. And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you. On June 15 2023 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: MZ's change of heart is especially very unnatural, there should be absolutely nothing for him why TTT read changes from D2 scum to N2 town. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh yes lol, my change of heart after having my biggest scum read flip town and a desire to reexamine how I've been reading the game. Pardon me for trying to keep an open mind. Let's all assume that I die tomorrow and I flip town. How is that going to change your read of the game. I know you're going to say "I'm not doing that, you're flipping red." That's your loss as I'm trying to save you some time. But for everyone else, y'all should reread the game as if I've flipped town. You'll have a whole two days head start on rayn. It's not open mind. I am not as good in english as marv or hapa is, but yeah. It's not fucking "open mind". You literally agreed with parts of my case on TTT, then voted for Vayo (which i dont blame you for), then said you should not consider TTT mafia. Why is TTT not mafia? | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:59 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah, I was going to though, perils of posting from work. But You Fucking Didnt | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:10 DarthPunk wrote: Would you rather lynch mz or ttt first. Cause I know my answer. TTT always TTT before anyone else | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I cannot get over how similar TTT is to last game and since vayo flipped town the associative case that I had in my mind from the D1 lynch fell apart. bullshit | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Sorry my bad. I realized how close my scumbuddy came to getting lynched and realized I needed to position myself better for the D3 lynch. Is that it? nah it's just that it doesnt make any sense. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nah DP let's do me instead. Much better that way. If you lynch TTT first tomorrow and he flips town then you'll lynch me at LYLO and I hate being the LYLO lynch that loses town the game. play the game if youre town | ||
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TTT -> mafia still (marv if youre town and really smart go through his N2 posts and see whats wrong, dont count on DP) Why is hapa killed and everyone who called out cake alive? i have my own reasons for thinking cake i town but look at it please. also good TTT + MZ. fucking lynch the shit out of them. If TTT ever flips town, cake can be mafia. my read has evolved, but like... it is possible. i dont think it is likely or even plausible, but possible. I am sorry i cant give you better answer. DP is bad as fuck but town. marv.... you can do this man.Slam is just town, Chezinu not getting this gives me bad vibes. Same Vivax. Same Chezinu vibes here. Chezinu mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... i see you! even when i die i see you!!! Lynch if after ttt and mz there is mislynch. | ||
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so youre the best town player for lynching two townies so far? | ||
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you are mybottom 4 | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote: And you fucking lynched DMB I tried everything to stop that wagon. I lynched DMB correct You tried everything to stop that false | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: actually tell me how you tried to stop that wagon? what did you do t o stop DMB from getting lynched? | ||
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no, tell me, i am saying you did not do anything. | ||
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marv, D3 stuff. Look at this. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:37 DarthPunk wrote: Ok then you are wrong or lying. You literally town read me for it earlier, how can I not be doing anything now? scared? | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote: No I tried to lynch him after DMB that is why he claimed tracker EOD. Okay. marv check this out. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol rayn you'll hate this but I have a sooper sekret reason for TRing TTT that I just realized when I was going through his filter. Whatever way lynch pans out tomorrow will either confirm or debunk my read. You are mafia, i dont really care what you say. I like you as a person though MZ | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rayn this post is gross. Stop acting like you're getting killed tonight and stop calling out to marv to confirm all your reads. marv look at this D3 | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy fuck he did it again. There's no fucking way you get killed after everything you've posted tonight lol. good marv look at this too D3 | ||
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It's sad but it is because i cant place you on any scumteam, and TTT is always mafia so... | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:41 DarthPunk wrote: How do you now not know what happened that night after you basically cleared me for it. you are either tilted off the face of the earth or mafia. i guess mafia because definitely not tilted. this is when i have the best guess for mafia in this game. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:45 DarthPunk wrote: Cake: Is rayn more likely to post like this as scum or town in your opinion? post WHAT? | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:47 Chezinu wrote: What if you are asking one mafia what they think about the other mafia? i know, that would be amazing!!! | ||
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TTT mafia MZ mafia Dunno abut the third. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The only people who post like this are folks who have successfully lynched a scum and are being universally townread. The fact that rayn thinks he's in any more danger than the rest of us is comical. mafia post | ||
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On June 16 2023 08:00 marvellosity wrote: Wasn’t there for n1 kill Rayn was Vivax’s suggestion, I was gonna kill DP but I didn’t mind rayn In another world where I had a lot more time, I would have gone for the DP kill and engaged in a grand shit fest with rayn, which I had a much better chance of winning or at least being a distraction for long enough. That would have been the plan. I kind of got you. Just run out of time. Sorry DP. Well played | ||
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Very very well played. I think i could possibly have caught other mafia but not you, not this game. | ||
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It was so funny, we are laughing at it with Cake here :D | ||
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On June 20 2023 04:03 Alakaslam wrote: She was happy! That made me happy again. It helps a lot 😅 <3 | ||
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I wish you all the best, and i think Cake agrees. Also Finland in July or scum!! ^_^ | ||
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On June 20 2023 18:42 Vivax wrote: Finland seems nice I played the Lakeview Cabin collection Jokes aside I‘m hoping that I get to sell my place soon and then can cruise around with DMB and have some nice savings. Country is very strict on who you can sell to however. What is this even? :O Why? | ||
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On June 21 2023 02:01 Vivax wrote: [...] To avoid this little of land from being sold out, there‘s citizenship requirements and even residence requirements in order to 1) acquire land and 2) avoid big taxation. [...] Okay this i can somehow understand. So you actually have like land. | ||
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