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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On November 24 2020 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: If a vanilla town is assigned as a pardoner, can they still become a bodyguard for the mayor? That is correct | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote: I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed  Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is  If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all  Any thoughts about Alakaslam?You know, pretty much everything is so wrong in this post. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well, this should be interesting You know, pretty much everything is so wrong in this post. Care to enlighten us?Obviously my idea about everyone voting for the same target isn't great. I left it in because I found it funny. But other than that, I'm interested in your take on Alakaslam? I'm more than happy to share my reasoning, but I'd like to know what you think first. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me. Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period.That’s more like it! Two words: Paternity leave. I have zero excuses this game for failing to submit anything. If you need more words for reassurance: Noon deadline. Literally could not be a more convenient time for me. Still don’t feel like I have an exception this game? Paternity leave means I am at home. I don’t even have to phonepost. The town will decide. Just know that I ran. And I ran right away. And I do want the position and will continue to campaign for it. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote: I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam?I disagree. That gives pardoner to mafia as you say here? What? You are saying you town read me and therefore scum read me? Not good sir collect thoughts or get caught | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:35 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah, it's a bad idea, but it's funny. That said, I'd say it's fairly likely mafia gets at least one of the two roles (mayor and pardoner) regardless (assuming they want to). Given that they have 2-3 votes in a 10-player game, things would have to go pretty perfectly for them to not be able to take one of the roles if they so desire.I disagree. That gives pardoner to mafia as you say here? What? You are saying you town read me and therefore scum read me? Not good sir collect thoughts or get caught And I'm not scumreading you, it's a town lean. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:33 Trfel wrote: Well, this should be interesting Care to enlighten us?Obviously my idea about everyone voting for the same target isn't great. I left it in because I found it funny. But other than that, I'm interested in your take on Alakaslam? I'm more than happy to share my reasoning, but I'd like to know what you think first. I dont understand why you write a whole paragraph on your idea of everyone voting for the same target, then dismiss it for something mafia would never do. I dont understand why you tell me "well we will see" instead of reading the daypost again and figure out you're actually wrong as i said. Because the daypost clearly says you may vote for yourself for the mayor. Even your paragraph introduces that while you "dont know if it's true or not". Now i dont really know why you are lying in case youre mafia but at best that's just wasted time. I cannot tell Slam's alignment. My gut says he might be town but i really cant read him that well i think. However i don't understand if you read him as town so far how does whatever people say sway your opinion as you said you apparently cant read him aswell? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
But given trfel I am no longer feeling that. I’m just like what is trfel doing and at least rayn could be genuine rather than scum with hapa, in fact by hamblin’s razor (not sure if I spelled that right) is the most likely thing. Or is it occam’s? Whatever. Point is I still think I should be mayor because Hapa and Rayn can influence me if needed and they are both just as capable of royally screwing town if they are scum and get elected whereas I am known to pretty much suck and universally get caught as scum. Sure, I’m great at avoiding a couple lynches but I don’t have a whole lot of actual scum wins under my belt, check the record. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: I still think I should be mayor because Hapa and Rayn can influence me if needed and they are both just as capable of royally screwing town if they are scum and get elected whereas I am known to pretty much suck and universally get caught as scum. Why should you be elected because of this? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, you're right, I see it in the daypost now. I read everything 2-3 times but still managed to miss it >< Admittedly I was focused on the setup post and not the day post but still. Not sure how I missed it, my apologies.I dont understand why you write a whole paragraph on your idea of everyone voting for the same target, then dismiss it for something mafia would never do. I dont understand why you tell me "well we will see" instead of reading the daypost again and figure out you're actually wrong as i said. Because the daypost clearly says you may vote for yourself for the mayor. Even your paragraph introduces that while you "dont know if it's true or not". Now i dont really know why you are lying in case youre mafia but at best that's just wasted time. I cannot tell Slam's alignment. My gut says he might be town but i really cant read him that well i think. However i don't understand if you read him as town so far how does whatever people say sway your opinion as you said you apparently cant read him aswell? Like I said, I thought it was a funny idea so I didn't bother deleting it. I guess I have a strange sense of humor. I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well. For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. Why do you think there is 3 mafia? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Hapa is that capable of screwing town if elected. Although i dont think he is ever going to get elected if he in fact is mafia. Ok. Agree to disagree on that as I TR you. I think Hapa can pull off a bit of scum trouble even if he isn’t elected- if he is scum. But if he isn’t running then it’s you (and FF, our Jo Jorgensen) I am running against. So am I Trump or Biden? I don’t wanna be Trump OR Biden. Maybe you don’t wanna either. Let’s be Bush or Clinton | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why should you be elected because of this? Because I am impotent, and also town. So I am not able to do as much damage with the role as... Arrogant persons Or mafia. I will be obedient. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You should be mayor because hapa or rayn can just as easily "control" you as they can control the lynch as mafia!mayor??????????? Essentially! Town will listen to you! They won’t listen to me for shit though, other than to discern my alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote: For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no?I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: Essentially! Town will listen to you! They won’t listen to me for shit though, other than to discern my alignment. But arent you saying you will do my will anyways? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote: I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. Maybe, i think there is also the possibility that he is shouting it because whatever happens will happen anyways and he might get town credit or even much enough town credit to be mayor. | ||
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