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On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay does his non-answer mean anything to you then? His non-answer is a small fact that may fit into the larger "puzzle" of his filter and play later on. It does not mean anything to me without additional context. Is there any reason that you are "boldly" reading TT as town early on? I kinda get that his game "contrasts" from the last one in that he is early/active/loosely-posting, but that's a pretty small sample size to be making any strong reads. Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:30 Alakaslam wrote: I was hoping you would shit on my campaign or vote for me Looks like hapa was right though, you’re here to question him. You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me.  Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period.
Right on cue the crooked political elites (Raging Rayn) is trying to keep power away from the working Slams.
The Liquidian people are tried of the same old political elites killing off hard working/hard to read Liquidians. They're killing off our Grackaronis; they're killing off our ShoCkeyys; they're killing off our Trfels; they're killing off our Ticktocks. The Liquidian people are dying at the hands of crooked elites. It is time to FIGHT.
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On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one.
Occam's razor is that the simplest solution is often the right one.
Hanlon's razor is to not attribute things to malice which could be attributed to ignorance.
I don't think that would apply in a mafia game though.
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On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir  Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear.
But I saw Will too!
He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat
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On November 24 2020 12:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. Occam's razor is that the simplest solution is often the right one. Hanlon's razor is to not attribute things to malice which could be attributed to ignorance. I don't think that would apply in a mafia game though.
That’s right hanlon
Yes it does! Holy shit how do we not see how Hanlon’s razor is the mafia tool that TL Mafia lacks? that would literally solve all of our issues if we could just do it!!
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Oh wait
Oh yeah occam’s might not be wise in GreYMisT aperture setups.
Or any of my setups.
But it can work here.
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Problem is scum will just feign ignorance. But then, eventually they will do something that cannot be attributed to ignorance and bam! You have your scum!
Mafia is literally an exercise in proper application of Hanlon’s razor.
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I'm a bit surprised you're going for mayor. (I'll have to break character for a second) If you're just looking to kill whoever Rayn/Hapa says wouldn't it make sense to give the bodyguard to one of them.
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On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances.
I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent.
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On November 24 2020 12:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear. But I saw Will too! He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat
I don't think he's a lawyer. Or at least the last time I called him a lawyer he denied being one.
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On November 24 2020 12:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances. I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent. Grackaroni, can I ask what the purpose of this post was?
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On November 24 2020 13:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 12:51 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances. I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent. Grackaroni, can I ask what the purpose of this post was?
Commiseration
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Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me.
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Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch.
I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though).
If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF.
See you guys in a few more levels.
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On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me.
Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions.
I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier.
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On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless.
A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate.
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On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate.
Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough.
I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same.
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On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself?
I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all.
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On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all.
Meh that's fine.
I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience.
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On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit.
Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him?
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While I'm at it, raynpelikoneet feels a bit off to me too. Reason being that he seemed like a bit of a push-over. No quotes right now because I'm on my phone and I'm too lazy to get up and walk to my computer. I'm used to raynpelikoneet being fairly stubborn, so this behavior seems strange to me.
He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam. And he was suspicious of me for sensible reasons, and then ended up calling me maybe town.
It would make sense if he liked my townread of Alakaslam, agreeing with it and then townreading me as well, but (1) would that really be enough to sway him from his initial read in both cases, and (2) he continued to poke at my Alakaslam townread to point out what he perceived as flaws with it.
Hm.
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