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On November 24 2020 14:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him?
I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads.
For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself.
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On November 24 2020 15:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:52 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him? I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads. For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself. You basically said "I don't like to make/commit to early reads unless something really sticks out." The "unless something really sticks out" part is the take-back clause, basically like saying "I am like this, unless I'm not." It somewhat invalidates what is being said. It's similar to saying "this person is mafia unless ... " which is really weak because it doesn't have any conclusion.
I guess I'm then just wondering why you felt the need to share your opinion on early game reads? I don't think anyone was super interested (not that we don't care, it just didn't seem the most relevant at the time, if that makes sense?).
That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too.
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On November 24 2020 12:24 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm a bit surprised you're going for mayor. (I'll have to break character for a second) If you're just looking to kill whoever Rayn/Hapa says wouldn't it make sense to give the bodyguard to one of them.
Right? Very unusual for me! But rare circumstances lead to rare play. I can actually look at the game more or less at will.
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On November 24 2020 13:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 12:14 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir  Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear. But I saw Will too! He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat I don't think he's a lawyer. Or at least the last time I called him a lawyer he denied being one.
He was in law school; he is a lawyer
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On November 24 2020 15:43 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 13:56 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 12:14 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear. But I saw Will too! He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat I don't think he's a lawyer. Or at least the last time I called him a lawyer he denied being one. He was in law school; he is a lawyer
I stand by this remark very staunchly
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Currently I think all the posters seem town.
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i forgot sorry hi what's up
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town trfel, scumlean grack, slam seems to be having fun so towny, hapa scumlean, rayn is rayn idk man
vote ff for mayor
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So I thought about it, I think goal for votes should be a 7/3 split on who we want as Mayor/Pardoner.
Seeing how I am not particularly focused on the game right now I should not be mayor. However I will nominate myself for Pardoner as I am smart enough to know to never use it.
On the other hand and maybe just to contradict myself... I feel ok letting my last post stand as a potential mayoral promise.
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On November 24 2020 17:42 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Vote me mayor just cause
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On November 23 2020 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2020 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 16 2020 18:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Since when have you been a mod? Nice to see you one year almost exactly I can do cool stuff like add mod notes to the top of the thread or whatever too I’m in the private tl discord for admins:D that’s the only privilege I have 
but can you see the extra private moderation channel?
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On November 24 2020 14:09 Tictock wrote:
Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch.
I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though).
If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF.
See you guys in a few more levels.
I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him?
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Does it look to anyone else like slam just wants the protection of being mayor but none of the responsibility? I'm not sure if its mafia motivated but it puts a different slant on his mayoral run. He's portraying it as the utilitarian option where town gets to choose but to me it just looks like he's asking people to early town read him for no real reason.
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On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask.  Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.
What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point?
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On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think there is 3 mafia? Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no? I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny.
Hi trfel! Can you see how his run might not seem to me to come from a town perspective at all? Sure it looks like it but also you can also just as easily look at it as mafia trying to get free protection without having to risk anything because town gets the blame for the lynch and not slam.
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On November 24 2020 15:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:52 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him? I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads. For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself.
Somehow I missed this post when i first read through the thread.
You get +town points and a vote from me.
grack for mayor!
Drain the swamp!
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On November 24 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point?
Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads.
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On November 24 2020 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point? Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads.
So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you.
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On November 24 2020 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point? Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads. So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you.
Not necessarily any huge red flags, but red flags for sure.
I am not really too bothered about it since i am pretty surei will know his alignment well enough by the eod anyways.
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