I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.
Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign?
Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all.
I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points.
I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote.
On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on.
Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it.
But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up?
No.
There is a difference between:
"Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*"
*this read is subject to change after I read the thread.
I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.
Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign?
Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all.
I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points.
I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote.
So is it fair to say that of the thread, you consider Grack the "towniest"?
I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.
Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign?
Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all.
I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points.
I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote.
So is it fair to say that of the thread, you consider Grack the "towniest"?
On November 24 2020 14:09 Tictock wrote: Took a quick break from leveling (about 40% in) to read and stretch.
I take Trfel's bumbling to be fairly genuine and am ok hand waving Gracks tone as town (honestly have only skimmed his posts though).
If I had to shoot anyone right now (who has posted) I would kill FF.
See you guys in a few more levels.
I saw you throw shade at FF a little yesterday. Why you after him?
The shade throwing by TT is about Fefe not realizing it's mayor vote time, so weird way for Jock to frame what has happened. In context the post also looks a bit snipey with the Trfel + Grack discussion and Slam talking about HolyPears lawyer status. Looks like an easy question to sneak in and calling it shade throwing suggests laziness, but subsequent posts by Jock seem fine. So in summary, entrance kinda shitty here but otherwise I feel like Jock is thinking along my lines here in regards to Slam, Grack and Trfel. Which doesn't mean much alignment wise but I can work with him for today.
Trfel is probably town, doesn't have the mafia nervous tone. TT is being nonchalant about just giving half a fuck about playing mafia while poking FF so can be town too.
On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on.
Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it.
But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up?
No.
There is a difference between:
"Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*"
*this read is subject to change after I read the thread.
and
"Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons"
The first doesn't inherently state anything.
You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it?
What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him.
In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)?
Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like.
On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Trfel and Slam strike me as very town on a second readthrough.
Slam is noticeably posting "lighter" and "happier". I wasn't really convinced with the read, but having looked through some previous scumgames of his this morning, my confidence interval is pretty high on his alignment.
Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game
Grack's entrance to the game is a lot of bravado and not a lot of substance. The mayoral "campaign" can be interpreted as anything. His interaction with Trfel strikes me as scummy, because he spends time implying that Trfel is mafia without actually concretely saying anything.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me.
Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions.
I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me.
Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions.
I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier.
What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless.
A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate.
Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough.
I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same.
Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on.
The reason is that I didn't like the way he was construing/attacking my post. To me it seemed like he just decided he needed someone to attack at that moment and that I'd make a good target.
I guess I view the game differently since I make lots of posts without any bearing to reads on the game or posts that are outright shitposts.
I'd be curious in what you mean by him appropriately pinging my post though. You feel that what I said had no relation to what you said and think I was being too wishy-washy by not saying that I'd never post a read early on?
On November 24 2020 20:50 Jockmcplop wrote: Does it look to anyone else like slam just wants the protection of being mayor but none of the responsibility? I'm not sure if its mafia motivated but it puts a different slant on his mayoral run. He's portraying it as the utilitarian option where town gets to choose but to me it just looks like he's asking people to early town read him for no real reason.
I contradict this
I don’t need your TR. If anyone else promises to listen to the whole town with the mayoral lynch instead of being a frustrating bastard, and is also more capable than myself, I’ll go Bernie Sanders on this race; cede it to my ally for the cause.
So, I think the campaign is actually in itself (due to timing) it’s own credence to the fact that my pliability is a good thing.
We should vote for him because his campaign validates him as town by its very nature? But he could just as easily be making this argument as mafia and playing the odds of a townkill by consent on day 1 for the free protection. He shouldn't get any towncred for the promise to do what town decides.
On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote: I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well.
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
This post is bizarre. He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam.
On November 24 2020 15:28 Trfel wrote: That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too.
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town. I don't see how that comes from a town perspective.
Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily.
You maybe don’t see it but there are things that affect a town players play.
On November 24 2020 23:34 Vivax wrote: Grack is making awesome posts so I don't even care what he is, but I need to make up my mind on this mayor thing, I did have a tendency to get N1d over the last 10 games or something like that. And while Grack earned my favour, I can't rule out he's mafia at this point and I don't want a mafia mayor.
Also that reminds me of Slam's comment that mafia wouldn't want the mayor spot or something like that (if I'm not confusing something because I'm not bothering to double check). Add that to his list of sins because it's nonsense imo.
It’s not wrong. Sure, there is protection but it’s also a spotlight. But whatever, vote who you will for mayor.
I think the later entrants to the race are the more likely to be mafia.
On November 24 2020 23:37 Vivax wrote: To conclude, I need to go grab some thingies and while at it decide if I want to run. Also skipped over reading Trfel, Jock and a bunch of other stuff. See you in a while.
No, too late bro.
If elected Mayor, I will push for a lynch on Vivax. I will still listen to town, but that is who I suspect most.
On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote: Why is hapa NOT campaigning then?
Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask.
Well
Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that.
Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one.
I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now.
On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.
I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.
On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible.
By the way, this doesn’t make hapa scum
It’s just that I don’t know why he doesn’t want to run as town. Or if I do know, for some reason, I don’t exactly want to draw attention to that possible reason.
Anyway. I’m running gib vote pliss
Don't even know where his Hapa townread came from. He's very one sided in his argumentation here.
It’s not a townread, it’s a null read. It’s backing from my apparent scum read.
I’m not here to be led around by false impressions on my reads from the town.
On November 24 2020 23:37 Vivax wrote: To conclude, I need to go grab some thingies and while at it decide if I want to run. Also skipped over reading Trfel, Jock and a bunch of other stuff. See you in a while.
No, too late bro.
If elected Mayor, I will push for a lynch on Vivax. I will still listen to town, but that is who I suspect most.
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