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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game
Can you elaborate more on this subject? Like in more detailed way, quote what he said and explain how it is as you wrote here. I got a bit more busy with work, so i am gonna be around properly in about 3.5 hrs. Until then i am just watching mostly.
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On November 25 2020 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Can you elaborate more on this subject? Like in more detailed way, quote what he said and explain how it is as you wrote here. I got a bit more busy with work, so i am gonna be around properly in about 3.5 hrs. Until then i am just watching mostly.
I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts...
#130 and #132 are observant. Grack piggybacked off of one of my posts (see "commiseration" #131). Trfel appropriately called it out in a measured way, not concluding that it made Grack ultra suspicious, but that it was an inherently useless and pointless post.
Trfel's interactions with Grack on that page (notably #135 and #137) makes good points about the escalated "tone" that Grack takes in responding to Trfel. Certainly apologetic in an OOC sense, but still not backing down from his point.
Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game
Mainly this post:
On November 24 2020 15:03 Trfel wrote:
While I'm at it, raynpelikoneet feels a bit off to me too. Reason being that he seemed like a bit of a push-over. No quotes right now because I'm on my phone and I'm too lazy to get up and walk to my computer. I'm used to raynpelikoneet being fairly stubborn, so this behavior seems strange to me.
He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam. And he was suspicious of me for sensible reasons, and then ended up calling me maybe town.
It would make sense if he liked my townread of Alakaslam, agreeing with it and then townreading me as well, but (1) would that really be enough to sway him from his initial read in both cases, and (2) he continued to poke at my Alakaslam townread to point out what he perceived as flaws with it.
Hm.
It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context.
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
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Seems to be a thing atm to just say x is mafia without pointing out anything in specific, ignore questions and peace out again.
At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question.
Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock.
I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours.
In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program.
If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know.
Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway.
When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town.
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On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context.
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
I dont necessarily disagree with the Grack stuff, as i havent been able to properly read the interaction yet.
But i am gonna discuss stuff about this later, for sure.
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On November 25 2020 01:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 01:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" * this read is subject to change after I read the thread.and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like.
No one is asking you to throw out a full scum-team less than 24 hours into day 1.
Question: you believe I am "shoveling shit" at you since I pointed out something that you did that I perceived as "scummy" (useless posts, etc.). Is that not exactly the function of posting what you did about Slam? Posting a suspicion with qualifications, and then immediately hedging those suspicions?
On November 25 2020 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I don't want to call him mafia before I've read everything. Going to get to that now.
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On November 25 2020 02:15 Vivax wrote:
Seems to be a thing atm to just say x is mafia without pointing out anything in specific, ignore questions and peace out again.
At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question.
Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock.
I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours.
In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program.
If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know.
Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway.
When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town.
Where did Jock dodge/miss my question? Upon a review of the thread, he answered what I asked of him to my knowledge.
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On November 25 2020 02:20 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 01:20 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 01:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" * this read is subject to change after I read the thread.and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like. No one is asking you to throw out a full scum-team less than 24 hours into day 1. Question: you believe I am "shoveling shit" at you since I pointed out something that you did that I perceived as "scummy" (useless posts, etc.). Is that not exactly the function of posting what you did about Slam? Posting a suspicion with qualifications, and then immediately hedging those suspicions? Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I don't want to call him mafia before I've read everything. Going to get to that now.
You said pointless and scummy. You explained why the pointless, you didn't explain why the scummy.
On November 25 2020 02:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:15 Vivax wrote:
Seems to be a thing atm to just say x is mafia without pointing out anything in specific, ignore questions and peace out again.
At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question.
Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock.
I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours.
In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program.
If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know.
Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway.
When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town. Where did Jock dodge/miss my question? Upon a review of the thread, he answered what I asked of him to my knowledge.
I somehow missed the "yes" between your post and his. Thought he didn't answer that.
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On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you.
I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough.
You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one.
I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent?
The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town.
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On November 25 2020 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough. You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one. I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent? The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town.
Where did that expectation come from?
You sound a lot like you have a Trfel suspicion but are hesitant to say it, which I think Hapa already mentioned (and that makes him town?).
Was the mayor thing serious? Since you haven't really said on what premise you'd lynch.
On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask.  Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm.
So, did he build them yet?
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On November 25 2020 00:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Is Rayn also not planning to run for Mayor?
Possibly the best question so far
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On November 25 2020 01:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 01:43 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 23:37 Vivax wrote:
To conclude, I need to go grab some thingies and while at it decide if I want to run. Also skipped over reading Trfel, Jock and a bunch of other stuff. See you in a while. No, too late bro. If elected Mayor, I will push for a lynch on Vivax. I will still listen to town, but that is who I suspect most. Feeling threatened?
More that scum need time to gauge whether town is on the wrong track before running. Scum are more likely to want to do their own thing with lynch 1. So scum would want to take stock of the town before running.
Grack, FF and I don’t give a shit about that because we are innocent.
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And I no longer wanna lynch Vivax.
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On November 24 2020 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think there is 3 mafia? Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no? I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. Hi trfel! Can you see how his run might not seem to me to come from a town perspective at all? Sure it looks like it but also you can also just as easily look at it as mafia trying to get free protection without having to risk anything because town gets the blame for the lynch and not slam. Hey Jockmcplop! I guess I see what you are saying, I was primarily thinking about the Day 1 lynch aspect of the mayoral role and less about the protection aspect. I'll keep thinking about it.On November 24 2020 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well.
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
This post is bizarre. He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam. But then later on: Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 15:28 Trfel wrote:
That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too. Also: Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town. I don't see how that comes from a town perspective. Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily. Honestly, I didn't really expect other people to come up with compelling points that I hadn't thought of. Evidently I was wrong 
I liked Alakaslam's opening, it felt very genuine to me, but his play after that has been rightfully pointed out as more suspicious.On November 25 2020 00:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's be bold and say that TT is town this game. I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed On November 24 2020 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Youre wrong. Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.
In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is  If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam? I think I've seen Slam as scum only once, tops twice. IIRC. Since you have something in mind where this happened, do you remember the game? Or did you just scumread him when he was town. Either way I'm not a fan of this reasoning, mafia sometimes are the friendliest guys in the game, or girls in the case of cop last game. I like the idea to not have a pardoner in the game but would probably not expect it to work. I forget the exact game, but I do have a specific game in mind. I remember generally scumreading Alakaslam and then the game I townread him, he was mafia. I don't mean that I "like" him in that he's friendly, but rather I liked his play, in that it seemed to come from a town perspective.
@Alakaslam, why did you initially want to lynch Vivax? Sorry I'm having trouble seeing why.
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On November 25 2020 02:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough. You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one. I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent? The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town. Where did that expectation come from? You sound a lot like you have a Trfel suspicion but are hesitant to say it, which I think Hapa already mentioned (and that makes him town?). Was the mayor thing serious? Since you haven't really said on what premise you'd lynch. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. So, did he build them yet?
That was mostly just my gut call going into it. Perhaps a mistrust of his town read on me from what I said about Slam.
I'm on the fence. I initially would have put him as a slight town lean but after you asked me I started looking further and I might go in the opposite direction if prodded.
Hapa is town independent of his read on me. He's laying out cases for who he thinks is town (Trfel) and trying to make him mayor. I trust that he looked through some of Slam's scum games and I like that he made a post stating high confidence in these reads.
Plus you've got to love him calling out Rayn for not getting into a rant with him after complaining about Rayn always fighting him.
On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
I assume the mayor will make clear who they are looking to kill and people will end up voting based off that. At the moment I don't think that's clear from anybody yet. Realistically I'm more likely to be lynched than lynching, but I'll go for it anyway.
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So no votes for me as mayor? town will benefit from it since I’m currently not bias against anyone. I’m positive I’ll snuff out mafia as soon as I’m elected mayor just like Acro.
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On November 25 2020 03:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 21:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? On November 24 2020 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think there is 3 mafia? Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... As to the second part, I dunno, I didn't really think a ton about it. I just don't count anything 100% out in terms of setup. It doesn't really matter anyway, no? I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. Hi trfel! Can you see how his run might not seem to me to come from a town perspective at all? Sure it looks like it but also you can also just as easily look at it as mafia trying to get free protection without having to risk anything because town gets the blame for the lynch and not slam. Hey Jockmcplop! I guess I see what you are saying, I was primarily thinking about the Day 1 lynch aspect of the mayoral role and less about the protection aspect. I'll keep thinking about it. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 22:44 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
I don't think anything people say would change my opinion of Alakaslam, I don't ask to figure out more about Alakaslam's alignment, rather I asked to try and help figure out yours. Your answer isn't particularly helpful, but it's also understandable, so not much was gained. Oh well.
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
This post is bizarre. He says he doesn't think anything anyone will say will change his opinion of slam. But then later on: On November 24 2020 15:28 Trfel wrote:
That's an interesting point about Alakaslam, I'll have ro think about that. His persistence about the mayor stuff with little substance is giving me pause too. Also: On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote:
For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve.
Slam's pliable argument IS his entire campaign. Vote for him because he must be town because a vote for him is a vote for whatever town decides, therefore he must be town. I don't see how that comes from a town perspective. Trfel's start is all full of contradictions. He seems ultra confident about slam's tone and then seems to drop that line of thought so easily. Honestly, I didn't really expect other people to come up with compelling points that I hadn't thought of. Evidently I was wrong I liked Alakaslam's opening, it felt very genuine to me, but his play after that has been rightfully pointed out as more suspicious. Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 00:40 Vivax wrote:On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's be bold and say that TT is town this game. I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed On November 24 2020 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Youre wrong. Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.
In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam? I think I've seen Slam as scum only once, tops twice. IIRC. Since you have something in mind where this happened, do you remember the game? Or did you just scumread him when he was town. Either way I'm not a fan of this reasoning, mafia sometimes are the friendliest guys in the game, or girls in the case of cop last game. I like the idea to not have a pardoner in the game but would probably not expect it to work. I forget the exact game, but I do have a specific game in mind. I remember generally scumreading Alakaslam and then the game I townread him, he was mafia. I don't mean that I "like" him in that he's friendly, but rather I liked his play, in that it seemed to come from a town perspective. @ Alakaslam, why did you initially want to lynch Vivax? Sorry I'm having trouble seeing why.
Because he was busy wanting to see if he wanted to run for mayor
That is scummier to me than not wanting to run.
“I’m gonna see if I can pull it off with less suspicion before I pull that trigger”
Scummy. Since then though he has looked a lot better. He just has a different thought process than I do afaics.
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Thanks for explaining. Makes sense.
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On November 25 2020 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:20 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2020 01:20 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 01:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" * this read is subject to change after I read the thread.and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like. No one is asking you to throw out a full scum-team less than 24 hours into day 1. Question: you believe I am "shoveling shit" at you since I pointed out something that you did that I perceived as "scummy" (useless posts, etc.). Is that not exactly the function of posting what you did about Slam? Posting a suspicion with qualifications, and then immediately hedging those suspicions? On November 25 2020 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I don't want to call him mafia before I've read everything. Going to get to that now. You said pointless and scummy. You explained why the pointless, you didn't explain why the scummy. ...
Scum want to "look like they contribute, without actually contributing." Hence "pointless" in this context is a scumtell. Your posts, in effect, look like reads and contributions, but are actually not. It is the appearance vs the reality which creates the scumminess.
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On November 25 2020 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:51 Vivax wrote:On November 25 2020 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough. You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one. I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent? The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town. Where did that expectation come from? You sound a lot like you have a Trfel suspicion but are hesitant to say it, which I think Hapa already mentioned (and that makes him town?). Was the mayor thing serious? Since you haven't really said on what premise you'd lynch. On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. So, did he build them yet? That was mostly just my gut call going into it. Perhaps a mistrust of his town read on me from what I said about Slam. I'm on the fence. I initially would have put him as a slight town lean but after you asked me I started looking further and I might go in the opposite direction if prodded. Hapa is town independent of his read on me. He's laying out cases for who he thinks is town (Trfel) and trying to make him mayor. I trust that he looked through some of Slam's scum games and I like that he made a post stating high confidence in these reads. Plus you've got to love him calling out Rayn for not getting into a rant with him after complaining about Rayn always fighting him. Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
I assume the mayor will make clear who they are looking to kill and people will end up voting based off that. At the moment I don't think that's clear from anybody yet. Realistically I'm more likely to be lynched than lynching, but I'll go for it anyway.
I am a hard man to please. Ask Rayn.
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On November 25 2020 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:... Plus you've got to love him calling out Rayn for not getting into a rant with him after complaining about Rayn always fighting him. Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
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In all seriousness, why would this make me "town"? On its face, isn't this an inconsistency in my story?
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