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On November 25 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 25 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Out of curiosity Rayn, what is my motive or incentive as mafia to not run for Mayor, if I am a "natural" mayoral candidate? idk, maybe to be less of "town leader" as you said, sit in the sidelines more and justify not being shot. i dont know why mafia does stupid stuff. you do those as well as anyone else does  Let's assume that I am mafia-hapa, trying to live a lazy-scum-life and therefore avoiding the limelight. Would it still not be a good strategy for me to be elected mayor? I would have quite a nice excuse for being alive later in the game.
But you'd have to lead. Which you as per your own words do not want to do.
Lynch kills you regardless of bodyguard.
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I voted Trfel as mayor for now. I like his posting style this game. He seems very pro town to me. Only mafia would self vote.
*eyes slam*
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Fair enough. I'd like to see what you think about the trfel/grack stuffs.
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I dont really know what you want from me here?
Do you like think it's scummy for me to think there is something wrong with best town player in the game not wanting to be mayor?
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On November 25 2020 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really know what you want from me here?
Do you like think it's scummy for me to think there is something wrong with best town player in the game not wanting to be mayor?
I think I’m the best town player 
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On November 25 2020 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2020 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 25 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Out of curiosity Rayn, what is my motive or incentive as mafia to not run for Mayor, if I am a "natural" mayoral candidate? idk, maybe to be less of "town leader" as you said, sit in the sidelines more and justify not being shot. i dont know why mafia does stupid stuff. you do those as well as anyone else does Let's assume that I am mafia-hapa, trying to live a lazy-scum-life and therefore avoiding the limelight. Would it still not be a good strategy for me to be elected mayor? I would have quite a nice excuse for being alive later in the game. But you'd have to lead. Which you as per your own words do not want to do. Lynch kills you regardless of bodyguard.
If I get elected mayor and subsequently lynched on day 3 (as mafia), that's a lot better than getting lazy and getting lynched on day 3 as not-mayor.
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On November 25 2020 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really know what you want from me here?
Do you like think it's scummy for me to think there is something wrong with best town player in the game not wanting to be mayor?
Not really, I'm exploring the logic. How you think about problems influences my read on you. In an ideal world, I'd like to have you as mayor if I believe you are town.
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On November 25 2020 06:38 Hapahauli wrote:
Fair enough. I'd like to see what you think about the trfel/grack stuffs.
I think Grack comes off really townie from that exchange. I dont think there is anything scummy per se for Trfel either, maybe he is actually "worse" of a nitpicker than i am since i dont even understand his original shit -- or like i get it but i dont really see how it would make Grack anything and it feels like every other post he wants to call Grack mafia and then he says not really :D
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Oh for the record there is no way in hell Vivax is mafia this game.
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Or Jock most likely either. This is how my reads come i assume lol ^^
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I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
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Can you elaborate on Vivax / Grack?
My sense of Grack was that he was "softing" his suspicions on Trfel while "puffing out his chest". That type of "bravado" tends to come from mafia in my experience.
Regarding Vivax, I can understand how some of the standoffishness and "grouchyness" are town-tells. What brings your confidence interval to "no way in hell Vivax is mafia this game"?
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On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
Why is your first choice to always think I’m mafia 
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I think Vivax is actually reading the game and making at least vivax!reasonable points. I think he is like my nemesis when we are both town (lol), he will probably call me mafia like 100 times this game and i think his conspiracy theories can even ruin the game for the town at times.... But anyways i think there has been like one game pretty much EVER when i have not been able to determine Vivax as mafia -- and very early -- when he has been mafia. He can post stupid ass shit, he can not even make any sense at all but the no matter if the game is 10 pages or 100 pages mafia!Vivax doesn't care to read the thread at all with any insight, period. Pretty much it was the post i asked him about, the Slam thing about Slam trying to make friends with you Hapa. I think it is too convoluted read to make if you are Vivax and play as mafia as Vivax plays as mafia. That's pretty much it, there are some other minor points like him getting and WILLFULLY getting into an argument with you, but the main point is that he is genuinely reading the game more than mafia!Vivax would.
I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here?
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On November 25 2020 06:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
Why is your first choice to always think I’m mafia
Maybe because i am mafia?
No for real, it is mostly poe for me for you at the moment. Maybe it is because of your situation rl, maybe it is because you are mafia. I don't know so please help me in case you are not. I know you dont tend to make/have reads early on. Has that changed after last game?
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On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here?
If there is anything that bothers me about Grack it is that i dont get how he has a townread on Hapa. "making reads" isn't really a town thing in itself.
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On November 25 2020 06:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My concern is in his running post for mayor state this:
As your Mayor I pledge to CRUSH the "opposition“
He stated opposition instead of just stating mafia, which is the towns opposition. His opposition here could be town.
Rayn this is basically my reasoning on why I don’t think Grack is a town player this game.
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If Grack were to become mayor as mafia, he would literally crush the town, not the other way around since it’s still a 10% chance of hitting the right player.
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I am sorry i dont trust your reasoning
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On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here?
Regarding Grack, it is possible that I am making something of nothing. All early-game cases have a good amount of guesswork. This game especially - there seems to be no player that is actively pushing the pace of the game along, and we frankly don't have much to go on.
Anywho, my suspicions on Grack are something that I see reasonably often come from mafia. I wouldn't call my "confidence interval" on it super high (there's only so much accuracy to have in a 10-page game), but it's really the best I can go on at this point.
With Grack, his play can be summed up as such:
1) A fairly substanceless mayoral "campaign";
2) An interaction with Trfel in which he seems to soft-call Trfel mafia without directly saying so: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?page=9#175 (for example, him saying that Trfel wants to "dig himself out of a hole" is very difficult to construct as anything other than throwing suspicion at him)
3) A town-read on me with some... questionable logic...
... and that's the best I can go on at this point with 10 pages. And I'd rather talk about and attempt to find reasons that people are mafia rather than PoE my way into lynching lurkers. We may very will lynch a lurker, but I do not believe that is a good foundation of discussion.
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