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On May 22 2020 07:49 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah it really didn’t go well. Quite bad in fact. it was good until GB decided to be a pussy | ||
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On June 02 2020 14:50 Vivax wrote: In this game i won‘t let you think that i think you are mafia. what you thought about figuring out about my alignment was something i hoped for after rolling maf and actually posting I dont understand any of this. | ||
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On June 02 2020 16:42 CopCake wrote: I am never this bad as mafia on forum games,hi! What do you mean by this? | ||
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- used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did? - in addition to the above, everyone who saw that vivax' post called it out aside from trfel, tet trfel is the ONLY person out of us three who youre NOT interested in??? | ||
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Because if i am discussing your alignment with other people discussing what you did (which is something everyone can read in the thread) is useless. You currently think mafia is trfel and vivax, am i correct? | ||
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On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote: Hi everyone! Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town? I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that. Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start. I dont really have issues with other people so far. | ||
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On June 02 2020 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake: You currently think mafia is trfel and vivax, am i correct? | ||
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On June 03 2020 02:39 CopCake wrote: Inclined with trfl mafia, vivax feels weird but I am not a "vivax expert". I know he broke his meta last game so I will just be wary of him. Okay lets start with this; I cant find why you think Trfel is mafia other than he did something differently than someone else??? What does that mean and ehy does it make him mafia? If you think Trfel is mafia why did you try to point fingers towards Vivax earlier. He btw called Trfel town out of nowhere, that's something i guess you think "mafia would never do because it's too stupid", right? | ||
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On June 02 2020 22:33 Zey wrote: Hi everyone! Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town? Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing. Am i missing something? What is this point? | ||
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On June 03 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is  Well she's my friend from the finnish mafia forum like she said before game start. Just like Zey is. D1 is definitely the worst day, obviously since the starting information is zero, but there is no reason you cant have shit done on D1's. The good days, i think it was '14 or '15 when TL towns lynched mafia D1 like 50% of the games (yes, that actually happened). Are you a platypus or am i a mind reader? | ||
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On June 03 2020 04:08 ShoCkeyy wrote: Idk I actually thought what if Cop and Plop were mafia just like Jock and Shock :D But then to think Jock/Plop got mafia again? Holy fuck the luck. What are you referring to with jock and shock? | ||
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On June 03 2020 04:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: You asked me what my thoughts were on your post that I quoted?? It talks about cop and jock, or am I mistaken? Is this the correct post you're referring to? Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why? | ||
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On June 03 2020 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote: Zey has made a scummy start imo I dont think she has but please do tell. | ||
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And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! ) So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here. | ||
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On June 03 2020 05:37 Vivax wrote: Rayn I read you town from tone and general inquisitiveness. Not something I'm feeling like wrapping in more complex words. Okay. I am going to believe you when you give me a lynch target that is appropriate. | ||
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On June 03 2020 06:15 Jockmcplop wrote: You're harshing my buzz dude lol. I did consider whether it was a language thing, i think moreso with my last post before this one, but i was also trying to put some pressure on because i don't know zey and was curious how she would react, but now i feel bad Your post seems genuine though. you do what you do man. i dont even kno0w if zey is mafia or not, i am just saying i dont want people to shit on people on false premises. | ||
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On June 03 2020 20:43 Vivax wrote:As for why I think cop is scum, is that she usually has a hard time seeing me as town when she's town even when I feel like I play a very strong town game. Here she is way more cautious with how she reads me and probably thinks she could make it look like she's distancing from me. Discounting your previous post do you think you have been playing a strong town game and regardless of that, isn't cake approaching the read on you exactly as you said she would do if town??? | ||
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-cake says jock is town -trfel jumps onnit because the post is very essy to fake as mafia -cake says jock sounded sincere -trfel is happy Like what?? First of all what other reason is cake gonna give for the tead than basically that she thinks jock is telling the truth as town here (being sincere). Whats the point of the original questioning even? Another thing is the part i colored red. How is it possible Trfel accepts this as a viable answer from a townie when he literally thinks its an easy post to fake (aka you cannot in any way tell if it is sincere or not)? | ||
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On June 04 2020 02:27 Zey wrote: I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum? Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read. After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game. For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something). So yeah that's pretty much it. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:09 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it? That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so. I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient. Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because: - self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right? -threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too So wtf jock???? | ||
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What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax. Zey wasnt around(?) Jeekaka fell asleep. | ||
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Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up? | ||
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You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good? | ||
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Lets see what happens | ||
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First thing is this: On June 04 2020 15:53 Trfel wrote: Because I didn't see any reason to call Vivax mafia? I don't really get raynpelikoneet's case on Vivax. I mean, it makes sense and is logical, but I don't think it fits mafia motivation. (1) Why would mafia be so uncooperative and lie about meta, what does it gain them? (1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean. On June 04 2020 16:13 Trfel wrote: I could see raynpelikoneet being mafia too. Two main reasons. (2) Firstly, his focus doesn't seem to match his scumreads. He posts a long post on why CopCake is suspicious and then votes for Vivax over something small, and then posts a mini case on me, and then still votes for Vivax. And second, he doesn't feel very invested. He's been here and calling things out and it's logical and makes sense but he can do that as mafia, easily. But it doesn't feel like he really cares about what he's saying. (3) He didn't clearly and concisely say why he thought Vivax was mafia until requested to, where if he really wanted Vivax lynched he could post a case on his own accord and actually push for that lynch. Before the flip raynpelikoneet didn't seem to care, and (4) after he didn't seem to care either, only talking about Jockmcplop and not any of his other scumreads. I'm trying to not focus too hard on deadline stuff because apparently he needed to sleep but despite that he feels a bit disconnected and slightly apathetic to the game, despite being very present. (2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him. Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned.... (3) See above. (4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it. So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel. | ||
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Also i dont think i am falling into anything. Like i am literally trying to NOT fall into stuff like that based on games where i have seriously under-performed just because someone does something too scummy to be scum and i can't believe mafia can be that stupid. I am just calling out shit that is scummy and i think you and trfel are the scummiest by your actions in my opinion. Like i dont really know what you want to do, Vivax. I know you want to lynch TT but i am most likely not going to do that even if i thought you are town. I actually do have a town read on him especially because of his actions eod1 -> . I did consider him mafia based on if shockeyy is town but then i decided that's a dumb metric since i dont really know what shockeyy is and he is following you and trfel in the scummy department. i do have some reasons to discount Zey here. Not anything definite, which is why i have been posing some questions towards her. However, i dont mind the answers so far. I also think she's been having some observations that, right or wrong, look good on her. If we were playing in finnish i would definitely be more suspicious of her, but yeah.. I can see her being laid back being a result of a "new environment" up to some point. I dont know what you mean with the feeling pressured to read trfel in certain way though? But well, let's make a deal Vivax. I am gonna consider you confirmed town until let's say 6 hrs before deadline. Convince me of anything you want to. Truth to be told i dont think i am gonna change my mind on you unless you make a pretty much slam dunk case, and i will help you in case you are up to that. You haven't showed the town!Vivax i know, i am gonna give you a chance. You either take it or leave it. Also get rid of the PoE from D1, i think that's just stupid in case you're town. Because for me it looks like you're hiding behind your PoE just to avoid commenting on ACTUALLY good stuff people have brought on Trfel. | ||
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On June 05 2020 22:58 Vivax wrote: I mean the fact zey scumreads TT convinces me even further as if I could have hit a nerve mentioning the team because as I noticed last game mafia likes to tend to scumread each other. I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol. | ||
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On June 06 2020 03:34 Zey wrote: In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here: (1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear? so where is your vote gonna go? | ||
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On June 07 2020 20:03 Tictock wrote: Fffffffff, dam I was really hoping Vivax flipping red was gonna end the gane. I mean what the hell is this even??? Yo uwerent even voiting for Vivax?? | ||
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On June 07 2020 20:18 jeekaka wrote: Well since before you left the thread it had been quite obvious it was gonna be Trfel flip. I am talking about the fact that after D1 TT changed his top scumread from Vivax to Trfel (i can see him doing that there as town). After this lynch he is mad(?) about Vivax not flipping red just to follow up that saying that Zey is his top scumread now??? I think that enforces the first point. And i think that's very inconvenient. | ||
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On June 05 2020 07:05 Tictock wrote: That kinda sucks, and my towncircle has shrunk dramatically Pretty sure we are in a Vivax/Trfel world though Pretty sure he was. | ||
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On June 05 2020 09:14 Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw. [....] So just because Trfel was not mafia this somehow makes Zey scummy? Because she made a good case (just wrong)? | ||
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On June 06 2020 15:04 Tictock [u]talking about Trfel wrote: [/B][...] Multiple things make it like 99% likely you and Vivax are the scumteam here, like I'm pretty sure you even made some excuse for this not being Vivax's scumgame when I've heard multiple refferences to scum!Vivax playing a a rough but successful mafia game in the last game by breaking meta. His play this game makes a ton of sense to me as burnt out scum!vax not willing to make the effort again. Even besides Vivax though your EoD play and followup posts really make it hard to not see you as mafia here. [...] Once again. And then: On June 06 2020 15:09 Tictock wrote: Oh and re my read on Sho... I'm kinda just living in the world where he's town due to Trfel/Vivax being scum... and I'm ok with it? I kinda dropped him from my world view for a bit near EoD and he's become a sortof white noise to the thread for me since.... Lol thinking about it now I know Sho has said things today, but I'm having a hard time thinking what any of it was >.< into.. On June 06 2020 15:16 Tictock wrote: Dammit Trfel, I really wanna see you flip red today but now I'm worried if you flip town I'm not sure who is most likely scum besides Sho. WHICH just makes your vote on him the more aggravating to me and... On June 06 2020 15:18 Tictock wrote: I'm gunna be honest, right now if I accept a world where you are town vivax could still be mafia, but I would easily lynch a few ppl before him. The Zey stuff is actually most interesting to me. Those posts I quoted gave me weird vibes. into Zey is mafia. Sounds like bullshit. | ||
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On June 07 2020 22:52 Vivax wrote: TT was saying Shock and zey had a staged conversation without thinking zey was mafia at that point. maybe youre right there. what's the point on me? | ||
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I dont who is mafia with TT. And i dont plan on letting people know before the deadline tbh. | ||
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On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel. It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam. Why did mafia need to kill Trfel if me and TT are mafia? | ||
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On June 06 2020 22:53 Zey wrote: [...] ShoCkeyy (He seems to be that kind of player that it is hard to say which side he is. I have played before with someone like him so the weird stuff what he has done is more likely just his style not about his role. There isn’t anything that I could say he is town thought. So I have tried to keep on my mind the reasons why others think he is town or scum. What I have seen couple of players have suspect him with reasons that I think is only about his style (except for not playing for fun, which doesn’t seem like that to me). Jeekaka is thinking that Sho might be scum but the reasons are more about that Sho fits in many scumteam. Vivax seems to be only one who think Sho is town. The reasoning isn’t so bullet proof but it seems to take consider Shos playstyle. But I can’t really trust Vivax opinion because I think there is good change that he is mafia. So basically if Vivax isn’t scum it will make Sho townier to me. But otherwise I don’t know is he scum or not. But I think Trfel, Tictock and Vivax are more likely to be scums than Sho.) [....] Everything here is NOT about what Shockeyy has done, but about what other people have instead. | ||
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On June 07 2020 23:25 Vivax wrote: Oh you thought it was about you? Interesting. I was more focused on Jock being early to call out zey. Your disagreement was kind of just a thing on top. Strikes me as a bit defensive with how you just reacted. But really, it wasn't about you, originally. It's not defensive, because i dont know why you would point out my post in addition to jock's in case it was only about jock? What does my post there in addition to jock's matter? | ||
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On June 07 2020 23:33 Vivax wrote: I didn't put that much thought into it. Just quoted them because they were p. much the earliest opinions on zey. Funny example of selective perception though. I think I'm talking about zey, and you think I'm talking about you. Well then do you have a thought of your own on what jock said? Because from my perspective you're trying to possibly frame me for jock's dead for a retarded reason. So what do you need my post for on that analysis? Was i wrong on something or not? | ||
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- I think we can both agree on jeekaka being town right? - What do you think about TT's "Vivax is mafia" narrative whenever it doesnt matter? I mean like it's a narrative in case you're not mafia right? Why dont you seem to have any opinion on that? - What do you think of Zey's read on Shockeyy? Because i think Zey is possibly trying to avoid giving a read on him and painting it behind what other people said about shockeyy. Like look at the post i quoted, most of the things Zey says is that shockeyy might be something because of what other people are or said. - Why do you think shockeyy feels like TT needed to lynch Trfel if TT is mafia with me? Why on earth does TT in that case "feel some need to lynch Trfel"???? What sense does it make? | ||
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On June 08 2020 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you elaborate more on that? Because the last sentence doesn't make any sense. this was for the last post before that one. I am gonna look further into what you said. | ||
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Vivax (I think rayn has a good case here. But I need to admit that without rayns case I wouldn’t have a clue about Vivax. I don’t know why but Vivaxs post are hardest to me to read. It’s like I have translated words that I don’t understand, I have asked my husband to translate hardest sentences and still don’t understand what he means. So I’ve kinda give up on that and have accepted that I just don’t understand him. I mean I read his post and try to understand it but if I don’t ... I’m not gonna waste my time there anymore. I think it’s more efficient if I read others post and try to fact check their accusations and stuff like that.) This? | ||
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On June 08 2020 02:30 jeekaka wrote: It's not like that > Why not? Or like why could it be not like that? She isn't saying that much. On June 08 2020 02:32 jeekaka wrote: But you know, at least she's not making up any reads of him :D How do you know? | ||
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lol sorry but that's a slam dunk town case. | ||
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On June 08 2020 03:03 Vivax wrote: If you're mafia though then it's perfectly reasonable for you to just take that at face value. In which case the game outcome is mostly up to TickTock. right, it probably is. but i know her. and it's not. | ||
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On June 08 2020 03:29 Vivax wrote: Rayn do you think you/zey/jeekaka can judge each other fairly in this game? I dont know if they can judge me because most of the people cant, but i think i can judge them. | ||
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On June 08 2020 03:19 jeekaka wrote: That Vivax/rayn interaction seemed quite genuine and actually rayn came out looking worse, so do the tides change. But honestly I would not even wonder if they were capable of that good scum theatre XD oh btw what is this argument and why? | ||
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On June 08 2020 03:44 jeekaka wrote: rayn what do you think of Tictock? Probably mafia tbh. | ||
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the case i posted? | ||
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On June 07 2020 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/B]Once again. And then: into.. and... into Zey is mafia. Sounds like bullshit. | ||
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On June 08 2020 03:19 jeekaka wrote: So maybe: Vivax/Shock rayn/Zey rayn/Shock Shock/Zey rayn/Tictock (rayn + Vivax) ? | ||
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you just listed everything without TT and something with him and... ???? | ||
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On June 09 2020 01:27 Zey wrote: Okay. I'm going to walk with my dog now but before that I want to say this: I don't think there is any change that Vivax is town because either he isn't reading posts at all or he just twist things how ever he wants. Either way it's scummy as hell. rayn, wouldn't you be okay with voting Vivax? Not really, no. Just because i dont know which one of him and TT is mafia, i sm working an evening shift and i have to get our stuff to the new apartment during the week. I honestly dont see any reason for vivax + tt to act like they did especially during D1 of they weew both mafia. I dont eeally have a "good" case on shockeyy. I just dont think he has done pretty much anything aside from omgusing whoever happens to suspect him all game. | ||
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If vivax is town none of this matters and regardless of what you two do here doesnt matter. If vivax is not town then you can either pick right or wrong. But i am not going to vote for vivax here. We're probably gonna lose if TT flips mafia today and that's gonna be mostly on me then. But inam still not going to risk a vote on vivax here because i am very certain that my answer is right here. | ||
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On June 09 2020 01:08 Vivax wrote: Rayn is probably town and just ruining another game [....] If this your attitude i wont even bother. It's disgraceful since i havent done anything of that sort for a long long time. Last gave i was easily the best town player when i was alive. People who ruin the games are people who wont bother even voting or quit the game instantly when they get get called as mafia. I am neither. And yes youre definitely twisting my words. | ||
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On June 08 2020 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them. I probably gave keys to mafia!vivax for winning the game if he is indeed mafia but i really didnt anticipate jeekaka to die. But it is what it is now. This is what Vivax' "interpretation" of what i said is: On June 09 2020 01:06 Vivax wrote: His only reason for voting Sho is true only if rayn is town which you think is always true. He didn't give a single reason for Sho to be mafia. Just said he can be the only mafia besides TT, so he should vote TT, but he votes Sho instead. On June 09 2020 01:08 Vivax wrote: His entire Shockeyy vote is based on who can be mafia with TT, so he should vote TT, but votes Shockeyy instead. Very weak reasoning when he's treating TT as the confirmed mafia. On June 10 2020 04:18 Vivax wrote: I really don't know why TT is bothering. You could post a mafia role pm and zey would still vote for Shockeyy because both her and rayn think that Shockeyy is mafia because he's the only one who can be scum with TT. Somehow they push the narrative that the game is TT + X and we always lynch X first. And I'm saying this for the third or fourth time. I have never in this game said TT is confirmed mafia. I have never in this game said mafia is TT + X. Whoever can go to my filter and read what i said. IF Vivax thinks my read progression is bullshit he should say it's bullshit but he isn't saying so. He is just straight out fucking lying of what my read progression is while being pointed out multiple times it was NEVER what i even EVER said. Then this is what shockeyy says about who i think are mafia: On June 09 2020 05:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn, if you're town, you obviously think Vivax and Tictock are mafia, why don't you vote for Tictock? Or do you really think I'm mafia? Like what is this even? Can this dude even read the posts or what? Before this he claims i have scumread everyone left in the game. Right or wrong idc, but i then i should think TT is definitely mafia otherwise it makes me mafia if i dont???? And once again shockeyy has literally done nothing but omgus people whoever were suspicious of him all game long. Go read his filter and look at his literally every single scumread ever. And Vivax claims this dude is definitely town guised under his master PoE (which btw i am also part of). I call 100x bullshit. So stop being an idiot TT. Okay? | ||
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Like there is simply no reason ever shockeyy should just buy that at face value, because for GIVING UP he must be REALLY FUCKING SURE that TT is mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2020 05:45 Vivax wrote: The winner of this game is rayns third party of forum friends that play to help, not to win. Can you at least stop being a massive dick towards people who actually play the game, in contrary to your laziness and ignorance to realise what posts that are clearly written actually say? Not only did you call me a rame ruiner for some unknown reason, but you also had to attack Zey personally because of her trying to politely ask you to explain comments that are straight out bullshit. I dont even know what you have against jeekaka? Maybe you're mad because she called you mafia or some other shit that's in your head.... Don't blame other people for your own bad play, regardless of your alignment. Because you did play bad. As town or as mafia. I am not the nicest person here but you were really really being a dick here when you had no reason to be one other than your own bad play. Especially in case you're town. | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again. Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position. | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: Thoughts: Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO). I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves. I dont think we manipulated anything? I didn't really have to do anything D1 because Vivax read me town for sauying "hi" and "no"... D2 i couldn't do anything. D3 vivax and shockeyy just buried themselves with straight out lying for ???? reason :D | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: So this post was bullshit? She completely ignored anything we posted. yes it was bullshit. why the fuck do we need to kill trfel???? Just because you think something doesnt mean that TT "needs to do something". | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote: Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day? It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations. Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end. You should actually read the game some time. | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: I gave up, but still came back even though I knew the end result 2 days in advance. I literally predicted the game THREE DAYS in advance. I meant Vivax. | ||
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On June 10 2020 06:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia. You never tried once, and that's what I'm extremely frustrated about. I think the problem is that for her Vivax was too scummy. I mean like, forget everything for now. Then read this post (on Vivax, the stuff on you was just something i made up on the fly when i saw TT actually went and posted and i had to do something): + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2020 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is for later. I am done telling why i think people are town so here's why people are mafia. This is what i said at the start of the day: This is what Vivax' "interpretation" of what i said is: I have never in this game said TT is confirmed mafia. I have never in this game said mafia is TT + X. Whoever can go to my filter and read what i said. IF Vivax thinks my read progression is bullshit he should say it's bullshit but he isn't saying so. He is just straight out fucking lying of what my read progression is while being pointed out multiple times it was NEVER what i even EVER said. Then this is what shockeyy says about who i think are mafia: Like what is this even? Can this dude even read the posts or what? Before this he claims i have scumread everyone left in the game. Right or wrong idc, but i then i should think TT is definitely mafia otherwise it makes me mafia if i dont???? And once again shockeyy has literally done nothing but omgus people whoever were suspicious of him all game long. Go read his filter and look at his literally every single scumread ever. And Vivax claims this dude is definitely town guised under his master PoE (which btw i am also part of). I call 100x bullshit. So stop being an idiot TT. Okay? Actually read the part on Vivax. Zey was questioning Vivax for this all day 3. Vivax only responded in saying the same (incorrect stuff) he did before. What is she supposed to think? I mean like i didn't even have to lie writing that post because Vivax made it too easy for me. | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:06 GlowingBear wrote: I will never ever forget the game that I was detective with two red checks (one being Holyflare), getting mislynched, flipped, only to see town in LYLO not lynching any of my checks because they thought Holyflare was a miller. Almost as bad as you not voting when being confirmed town in lylo. E: no actually you are right that game was worse  | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:13 ShoCkeyy wrote: Can you post that? I don’t recall you ever thinking Rayn was possibly mafia. I think she is meaning "isn't" instead of first "is"? Nevertheless she was giving reasons for me to be town and asking you to debunk them which you apparently never did? | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: IKR? After that I basically call Holyflare scum in every game ROFL Dont you do that already? | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:19 CopCake wrote: Like I read Jock town because he felt "town", because the frustration felt read. But that is so scummy yeah i would have claimed you town for that had i been town. just because you dont have townreads when you're scum. and now you're never gonna be able to do that as mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:20 Zey wrote: Well the reasoning was that you are alive (and even I as a scum would have kept you alive), you weren't so active as usually (but you don't move every day so...) and you are pocketing me (and if you believe that reason it would mean that you can never think that somebody is town) so... :D We didn't really have any "good" shots. I was actually in favor of not shooting anyone N1 (but TT made a good call on jock being a power role). N2 we only shot jeekaka because maybe it will make you think vivax/shockeyy is actually mafia (without me saying that). I was actually considering shooting you instead (TT wanted to shoot noone), i could have always painted vivax mafia quite reasonably imo. I just thought jeekaka being dead would enforce the case on vivax + shockeyy more than the other way around. Well they helped me (at least vivax did) on D3. | ||
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I said the same: 12:13 AM] raynpelikoneet!: ahahahaha the trolling is real! :slight_smile: [12:13 AM] Holyflare: :D | ||
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