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On June 02 2020 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: - used "that would be too scummy to be scum" defense, guess what, people who do scummy things are usually scum - used "why are you looking at my scummy thing and not vivax' scummy thing??" defense. Who cares what vivax did if we are talking about what you did? Do you think this is something that Cake wouldn't do as town? Cake's point about Trfel is interesting. I would also be interested to hear why did he asked about Vivax post about akwardnes but didn't ask about rolling mafia thing. | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that. | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote: So what do you think Trfel's motives could be? He wants to look like he is being active and chasing scums or he is just too excited about game and want's to do something. I'm leaning more to the first one because he also just ignored Vivax's rolling mafia post what I would say more intresting post than rayn's hi. To me it seems like he is picking somethings up without any thinking whether answers and/or reactions even can give anything. | ||
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raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again: - i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to. - then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that. Thanks. I would also say that in most cases this is scum behavior, but I'm not sure about Cake. When we have played resistance she seems like player who does play with emotion. Like she would take accusations very seriously etc. I would be interested what others think, is this something Cake would do more likely as scum? CopCake wrote: So hey Zey, do you think tfrl is town or not? Not. CopCake wrote: Tfrl read. And I just feel it, it feels scummy how he did it. My read can change? yes. I am not locking. My most locked read is Jock. Wait. Your read about Tfrel has changed? I tried to read your post again but still I don't notice that. Can you tell how and why your opinion has changed? I mean about this: On June 02 2020 14:58 Trfel wrote: Can I ask why you find this post awkward? I don't really feel it's remarkable at all, maybe even ever so slightly townish because mafia would have little incentive to post given the lack of activity. Likely falling asleep soon. He picks up Vivaxs "Awkward post" but not Vivaxs post where he said he rolled mafia. I would like to know why that wasn't interesting enough to him to be picked up. | ||
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Jock wrote: Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why. I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax. Jock wrote: The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread. Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure Zey has misinterpreted that one post. Vivax wasnt saying he rolled mafia. Wasn't he? I mean he was drunk or something and wrote wrong but I thought he said that he rolled mafia. raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what are you saying you think Trfel is, Zey? Scum. | ||
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Jock wrote: So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear? No. You asked what I think could be his motives as town and as scum. And that was what I told you. I don't know any other reason why town would do that. rayn wrote: And no, vivax wasnt saying he rolled scum. He was referring to the last game where he was scum and i completely misread him as he normally rolls over and dies as mafia but there he actually played a shit strong mafia game. Oh, that make sense. Maybe I should read that part again keeping this in my mind. Sho wrote: Why is Zey removing the time stamps? That seems scummy as hell to try and paint a narrative that can be falsified later in the game :O Because I'm used to just copy text and write by myself the quote stuff and I'm too lazy to figure out about time. If you want me to use time stamps please tell me how I can do easily multiple quotes in the same post without writing them by myself. raynpelikoneet wrote: So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here. Thanks rayn but it's ok. Last time when I played in english I swore that I would never ever play in english again. And here I am. So if I get more accusations because my bad english, its okay. I'm prepared for it. :D | ||
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Trfel wrote:Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it. People have said that Trfel was just trolling rayn or something but this answer doesn’t seem like it? And really I don’t see how “hi” is worse than for example telling that you are going to have drinks. And Jocks interaction with someone was basically saying hi to Cake. So… Feels like Trfel is trying to make it seem better than it was. I don’t also like how Sho is Trfels top scumread. Feels too easy target. Jock is feeling town to me because he was trying to get my reactions. Feels like he is trying to solve the game. I don’t follow why rayn voted Vivax? Can you please explain why he’s scum? | ||
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Cake wrote: Zey are you there? Now I am. | ||
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Cake wrote: What do you think of Vivax? I don't know. I don't remember much what he has done. There was weird town reading about rayn and "rolling mafia" what I understood wrong. Thought I liked his post where he asked what people liked about my progression about Trfel. It felt like he was doing something to catch the scums. Like making opinions and trying to get other people see that also. | ||
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Tictock wrote: Zey am I correct in assuming that Trfel and myself is your most likely scumteam? I don't know can you be scums together but my top scumreads are Trfel and you. | ||
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ShoCkeyy wrote: Hey Zey lets vote Tictock I'm okay with that if there's no change to get Trfel lynched. | ||
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I don't like how Trfel suggested Cake to be lynched. Trfel wrote: I was half-joking, and did kinda think CopCake was town (though my mind quickly changed). I mean he was kinda thinking that Cake was town and only four minutes later he was suggesting that Cake should be lynched although there were his top scumread Sho also one of the people with votes. And I'm not sure why he even took those four minutes to investigate Cake? I mean if theres 3 players with votes and Trfel thinks one is his top scumread (Sho), one is kinda town (Cake) and one hasn't done any townish or scumish (Vivax), why would Trfel read Cakes post to see why she could be scum? I think it would be more logically to read Vivaxs post that see is he scum or not and/or read Shos post to find more scummy thing that could convince others. Jock wrote: I'm considering switching to copcake right now. Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient. Hmm, wasn't Cake getting cold feet before you even mentioned you were getting? rayn wrote: Zey i have a question for you: You explicitly asked me about why i scumread Vivax. Why didnt you have any follow up after my answer? I mean you must think that my case is either right or wrong or bad enough for me to be mafia. You followed the rest of the day with the thought of Vivax still not being mafia, why didnt you try to convince me voting either trfel or tictock since you vlearly thought my case is not good? After reading your post I thought you might be right about him and your reasons explained to me why you voted Vivax and not Cake. After that I went to read Vivax posts and the thread to see are your accusations right. (They are I think although I'm still not sure about Vivaxs reasons to suspect Cake.) So it made me to think that I'm okay with lynching Vivax. Didn't see the reason to change my vote although seeing how day ended I think I should have changed. | ||
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Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. How it makes sense? Yeah he asked her reasoning, but here it sounds to me like he was okay with her answering: Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can And according to him even Rayns hi was more scummy than Cakes townread of Jock. AND he admitted that 4 minutes before he suggestes lynching Cake he was kinda thinking that Cake is town. So how it makes sense?? | ||
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Tictock wrote: I said I had stuff to say about Trfel, and to be honest Zey and Jeeka pretty much hit on it already but I'll briefly go over what I saw. Tictock wrote: Just going off of filter I'd say Trfel going for cake actually kinda makes sense since he had questioned her early/easy townread of Jock. How I "pretty much hit on it" if the only thing I was saying was "Trfel going for cake doesn't make sense" and you are saying that you believe that it made sense? | ||
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Tictock wrote: When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared. In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here: Trfel wrote: I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it. (1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere. (2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy. So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear? | ||
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Sho wrote: If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner? I think it is possible. Looking to Tictocks filter I don't see anything to make it impossible. I mean he didn't suspect Trfel until N1 and then Trfel had drawn attention to himself already. | ||
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rayn wrote: so where is your vote gonna go? To Trfel. Tictock wrote: Zey, was that post from D1? If so I skimmed over that bit, but I'm confused why you keep hammering me on this. You seem to just be furthering the argument that Trfel's actions and reads are completely mismatched, and I've been making the same argument. Yes it was. And I kept hammering because in my mind either I have really missed something (witch I really didn’t thought that would be so likely) or you are wrong and Cake read really just appeared. And if the second one is correct I think it is important because I don’t understand how you have come conclusion that Cake read didn’t appear. I might understand that if you just skimmed something to get more “content” to your post and didn’t bother to really read your top suspects posts when you are making post which you have advertised saying you have lot to say about Trfel. Doesn’t seem really townish to me. jeekaka wrote: @Zey can you give me some kind of reads list to show where you are at the game, except in the Trfel/Tictock world. Okay. I’m probably going to get nervous breakdown or something for trying to write longer text in english but I can try. :D So this is what is going on my mind when I’m thinking about players: The most scummy Trfel (First he was just doing something that might seem like chasing scums but not really chasing scums. His explanation for his question to rayn feels like he’s trying make it seem better than it was. His top scumread was Sho which seems to me like picking an easy target. And then there was end of D1 with his townread-Cake becoming scummy in 4 minutes and all the excuses afterwards. And there's weird trust to Vivax. I don’t why he trust him. I mean the reasoning what I founded was basically “Vivax acts like scum-Vivax do but it doesn’t tell anything because I haven’t been so active either”. If Trfel think Vivax is town, then he needs to think that rayns case about Vivax is wrong but he hasn’t really commented that (not the main points).) Tictock (I don’t like how he was picking easy target. I don’t also follow why he is thinking Vivax is mafia? What I have understand, he thought Vivax is town until he didn’t like how Vivax suspected him, and then he was pretty sure that Vivax is mafia with Trfel. And then there is the thing, where Tictock seems to have only skimmed his top scumreads posts and I don’t get it.) Vivax (I think rayn has a good case here. But I need to admit that without rayns case I wouldn’t have a clue about Vivax. I don’t know why but Vivaxs post are hardest to me to read. It’s like I have translated words that I don’t understand, I have asked my husband to translate hardest sentences and still don’t understand what he means. So I’ve kinda give up on that and have accepted that I just don’t understand him. I mean I read his post and try to understand it but if I don’t ... I’m not gonna waste my time there anymore. I think it’s more efficient if I read others post and try to fact check their accusations and stuff like that.) ShoCkeyy (He seems to be that kind of player that it is hard to say which side he is. I have played before with someone like him so the weird stuff what he has done is more likely just his style not about his role. There isn’t anything that I could say he is town thought. So I have tried to keep on my mind the reasons why others think he is town or scum. What I have seen couple of players have suspect him with reasons that I think is only about his style (except for not playing for fun, which doesn’t seem like that to me). Jeekaka is thinking that Sho might be scum but the reasons are more about that Sho fits in many scumteam. Vivax seems to be only one who think Sho is town. The reasoning isn’t so bullet proof but it seems to take consider Shos playstyle. But I can’t really trust Vivax opinion because I think there is good change that he is mafia. So basically if Vivax isn’t scum it will make Sho townier to me. But otherwise I don’t know is he scum or not. But I think Trfel, Tictock and Vivax are more likely to be scums than Sho.) raynpelikoneet (He hasn’t done anything scummy but not either anything that would make me say this is why rayn can’t be scum. Still I would say he is second towniest here because the feeling what I got D1. D1 I couldn’t follow without asking why rayn did vote Vivax. It might be only my bad english skill but still it makes me think little bit that as scum rayn would be more careful with his post. I mean I would expect scum-rayn to make a clear case and stick with it or make a new clear case. Keep posts like it would be really easy to follow his thoughts.) jeekaka (I haven’t seen anything that would suggest that she is scum. Seems like she really thinks who might be scum and why, she has observed even little things etc. And there is tinfoil hat. <3) The most towny But yeah, I’m gonna vote now -> | ||
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rayn wrote: Can you explain it to me like i am 5 because i don't even see whta Vivax is saying. Like i read it well but i dont understand it because i dont think that's what happened. Don't you really? Because even I understand what Vivax is saying about me not "having fun". And I think it pretty obvious that I'm basically doing just what I need to. So yeah, I'm not having fun. jeekaka was quite right about my fun: I love love love solving the puzzle. Analyzing posts, trying to figure out scums and all the EoD stuff is so fun. But here I don't have things that makes it fun: I don't understand the post, I can't figure out the tones. I feel like I have maybe only 5 % information that I would have if the language would be different (or if this would be live game, I find it somehow easier). And then I need to write in english also. So I'm constantly using google translator and asking from my husband what some word is in english and either isn't good way. Google translator sucks and my husband needs to ask the context and after that mostly says that he knows how to say it but it's like mostly filled with fancy word that I don't understand and after that he asks how I would say it. So I find the maybe 10 % about what I wanted to say is something that I know how to say if I really really cut my sentences and all. (And after that I watch clock and find out that writing my tiny tiny message has taken like an hour to write.) I just need to admit that I'm not that kind of player or not that good in language that I could play in english. I hope that this game is the last time that I need to figure that out that I can keep it in my mind. So I should read all the filters again. I should check with players can be scums together. But really I wouldn't want to read even one word of english right now because of my frustration. But still I'm gonna do that because I committed in this game and I don't want to town lose because of me and D3 is lylo so. (And I'm also gonna pray that scums will kill me, even thought it's not so likely.) I hoped that I didn't offend anybody. You guys seem nice and I like the game, but I just hate playing in english. Oh, this took only like 50 minutes to write, apparently I'm fast to whine about english in english. x) | ||
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Sho wrote: Zey vote tictock so we can win as town already please. I don't think rayn is scum so who ever we vote rayn needs to vote him too. Rayn can you tell why you think Vivax is town? And why you voted Sho and not Tictock? | ||
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Vivax wrote: I don't even know if he ever called him mafia but if he did it must have been forgettable. This doesn't sound town to me. Makes me think that Vivax is just trying to make rayn seem bad. | ||
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Sho wrote:You’re going to have to change that mentality, Rayn is taking advantage of it, he voted for me as I predicted because he’s mafia, and he’s going to try and push “Shockeyy is scummy”. He didn’t vote Tictock because Rayn and Tictock are teammates. If he is mafia with Tictock why he said on the last minute of N2 that he think Vivax is town? | ||
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Sho wrote: But it is coming from Town, he’s speaking the truth. I don't think so? I mean yes he might be right about that rayn never called you mafia or something. But if rayn thinks that I'm town and he thinks that Vivax is town then there is only left you and Tictock to be scums because of PoE. So there's no need to mention it that he thinks you are scum. And Vivax has used himself PoE tactic and he should know that rayn thinks that I and he are towns (because rayn and Vivax discussed about rayns read on me and I don't think he could have missed rayns post about himself). So I think it's okay to wonder why rayn voted you (and not Tictock because Tictock had already one vote and vote was given by someone he think is town) but I don't understand why Vivax seems to demand that rayn should have made case against you to vote you. | ||
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Sho wrote: Because he knows Vivax is town? If Tictock and rayn are scums they need one more vote for you that they win. After reading my list about players rayn should think that I'm going to vote Tictock and I maybe can vote Vivax but it's not likely that I vote you without good case (and here he hasn't really done that). And to his perspective it should be okay to lynch Vivax so why bother? So it's not good thing to do if they want to get my vote with theirs votes. Are you gonna vote yourself? I don't believe so. So they aren't getting your vote either. Are they getting Vivax vote? I don't think they are counting for that because Vivax said that he is 100 % sure that you are town. Tictock and rayn scumteam would have better chances if rayn trys to convince others that Vivax is scum. I think my vote would have gone easily there and that would have been only thing they would need to win. | ||
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Vivax wrote: Why shouldn‘t rayn vote TT here Why shouldn't rayn vote TT here if rayn is scum? | ||
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Vivax wrote: Rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. He is a common N1 and N2 kill. Townreading me after voting me for two days straight just was a method of giving hinself an excuse for that imo I don't think rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. Yes, he might be common N1 and N2 kill but that doesn't give a reason to scums to kill him in this game. Both Jock and jeekaka were townier than rayn so I'm not surprised that rayn is alive. And if somebody ask why can't scum-rayn just say that scums are trying to frame him and that's why he is still alive? And if he is accusing you being scum and he was right at N1 that you are making a case against him then there is a new reason why he can accuse you being scum: you are the one who is trying to frame him. So there is another ways to justify that he is alive and there is ways that don't pee in his cereals. Vivax wrote: I saw the jockey vote similarly to a scumclaim. Sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain? Sho wrote: Based on your last paragraph then why does Rayn vote me and not stick to his consistent vote on Vivax? Because he really is town and change his mind about Vivax? So if he thinks Vivax is town of course he don't give him vote. | ||
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ShoCkeyy wrote: Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system! So you still think rayn is scum. Please tell me where I got wrong then. Why did rayn say on the N2 that he thinks that me and Vivax are town? Why he decided as scum to make such opinions that he is forced to vote you (which is so unlikely to get any townies votes (if the case is that he is scum with TT)) or his scumpartner? | ||
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rayn wrote: Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Can you tell me why TT and Vivax aren't mafia together? | ||
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Vivax wrote: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess. Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho). If Sho thinks that TT and rayn are scums together then why rayn decided N2 to say that he thinks that you and me are town. Because then he can D3 only vote TT (his scumpartner) or Sho (and nobody townies wants to lynch him). So what is scum-rayns plan for victory? Vivax wrote: Can you tell me why you don't want to vote TT if you think he could be scum? I haven't said that I don't want to vote TT. Vivax wrote: It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now. I don't understand. Whose mind? And if somebody thinks that scumteam is Shovax or ShoTock he should always vote Sho, not Tictock? | ||
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rayn, wouldn't you be okay with voting Vivax? | ||
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Vivax wrote: So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering. If you want me to reconsider rayn you need to do more than just twist rayns words, repeat yourself and act like a child. | ||
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Sho wrote: EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum. Except jeekaka said that TT is her top town. So you are lying here. Sho wrote: Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia? If rayn isn't mafia, then there is left only you, Vivax and TT. So at least one of you and Vivax must to be mafia. And you both seem soooo desperate to lynch TT that I'm thinking that I might be wrong about TT and you and Vivax are mafia together after all. | ||
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Sho wrote: Can you Zey just add your vote on me then? Just vote me out already so the game can end already. Okay. Vivax wrote: And you also know that zey is helping you for no reason other 'but muh forum friend' Yeah. I have been playing 10 years with only friends and still I don't know how to lynch them or do anything else but what they tell me. And yeah I haven't told any reason (like pointed out that there is no sense that rayn would say N2 that both of you and me are town but somehow you and Sho hasn't been able to show how I'm wrong) except that he is my friend. Yep, you got that right. So now I'm going to do what true friend does: I have no brains on my own so I'm gonna listen little voice of rayn and gonna vote Sho. | ||
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Tictock wrote: I have to asssume everyone thinks Sho/Me are the team here, but since I know we are not I have to assume both mafia are piled on a town!Sho train here. Actually I think that Vivax/Sho are the team here because I don't see a reason why sum!rayn would have said that he thinks me and Vivax are town at N2 (and either Vivax or Sho hasn't been able to tell me good reason either). So if rayn is town either Sho or Vivax needs to be scum here but both were yesterday so desperate to lynch you that I think it would be more likely that you are town here. I would prefer lynching Vivax because he has twisted rayns words so much that it's remarkable how good his imagination is. There is no way that Vivax is town here. But apparently rayn is more confident about Sho and I don't think it's good idea to divide votes so I'm voting Sho. To me this thing were Sho and Vivax join voting Sho seems their last try to make people think that they can't be scums here. | ||
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TicTock wrote: I'm gunna yolo call the scumteam Rayn/Zey just off of what I recall and what I see right now. If the scumteam is me and rayn, please tell me why didn't I vote you when Sho and Vivax did everything to convince me to do so? | ||
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On June 10 2020 03:06 Tictock wrote: Humm, ok. Why not Vivax/Me? Because Vivax did yesterday everything he could to make me vote you. | ||
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On June 10 2020 03:11 Tictock wrote: I thought I'd been in your scumlist for most of the game. Yep you were. And at N2 I was still thinking that you are. But just read what happened yesterday, I think it will explain a lot. | ||
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After those posts Shos answer was: Sho wrote #723: “Sure”, basically you and Ticktock are no where to be seen for these two days, yet I’m mafia... it all lies on Zey, and she isn’t going to vote outside of anybody you’re not voting for. This game is pretty much over and I rather not waste my time anymore. Sho wrote #724: Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system! Sho wrote #725: I’m going to not come back till d3 is over, I’m not moving my vote. Ticktock sudden absence is telling and Zey would rather ignore it cause Rayn thinks I’m mafia... So he couldn't argue against my points. As town I would think he would say ok, you have point here or something. Or argue why I'm wrong. He didn't do either he just ignored and get grumpy. | ||
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rayn wrote #722: Its very simple. Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together. Basically shockeyy has to be mafia with either one of them. Vivax wrote #731 about rayn: Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess. Okay, maybe he didn't see yet rayns reasoning. But Vivax wrote #741: By the way, let me rephrase what rayn is saying: TT IS MAFIA BUT ONLY SHOCKEYY CAN BE MAFIA WITH HIM, SO LET'S VOTE SHOCKEYY. Here he must have seen rayns post because he is rephrasing that again -- except he is just ignoring what rayn said. | ||
Zey
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ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't bargain with terrorist (mafia in this case) Except you was so sure that TT and rayn are scums so you must have thought that I'm town so why wasn't you willing to discuss with me? | ||
Zey
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Vivax wrote #732: It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now. If somebody thinks Sho/Vivax and Sho/Tik are the only possible scumpartners then why that person would never vote anybody else than Sho at lylo? Vivax is just trying to give reasoning but it just doesn't make any sense. | ||
Zey
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Vivax wrote #744: And do you know what pocketing means? It means rayn lulled you in by playing like he's your bodyguard. It's like you two play together at all times. So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering. Vivax wrote #743: But whatever, it appears we play 'friendship mafia'. So instead of pointing where I got wrong (and I was willing to discuss and asking where my deduction went wrong if rayn is scum) he just accuse me not reconsidering rayn and just accusing about friendship mafia. If he is town and he think rayn is scum why doesn't he try to explain why my opinion about rayn is wrong, where my deduction is wrong. But nothing. It seems to me that there is anything wrong so he couldn't say anything and only thing he could was trying to appeal to emotions. | ||
Zey
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Sho wrote #751 trying to reason why you are scum: EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum. And here he is lying because jeekaka died at N2 and jeekaka wrote #655: I think TT:s progression has been quite towny and he's maybe still my closest townread jeekaka wrote #667 But now settling to that Zey->Tictock world looks worse on him. jeekaka wrote #668: Because they are basically my strongest town candidates right now XD So clearly jeekaka didn't think you are scum. | ||
Zey
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Tictock wrote: Zey reading into those posts, I'm not sure why that makes Sho scum. Like he seemed to be pretty locked into a world where Rayn/I are the scumteam and your points on rayn dont make a ton of sense to me. Okay. Imagine that you and rayn are scums. Why rayn won't stick with his opinion about Vivax being scum and didn't vote Vivax when day beginned? Why voting Sho will win the game for you and rayn? Sho shouldn't vote himself, right? Sho wasn't my top scumread so why would you and rayn think that I would vote Sho? And Vivax was 100 % sure that Sho is town so he wouldn't vote Sho either. So who is the town whose vote sum!you and scum!Sho will get that you will win the game? But if scum!rayn wouldn't said that Vivax is town and if scum!rayn would vote Vivax there would be good change that you would get me to vote Vivax (town here) and win the game. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here or why wasn't Sho intrested enough to ask more about my reasoning here (if I were unclear) or pointed out (with good reasoning) where my thinking was wrong and why you and rayn really are the scums? Tictock wrote: It actually does seem more to me like you spent a lot of time defending rayn there, and that is the main thing I get from those posts. I did because I believed (and still believe) that rayn is town. At the beginning of the day I thought you and Vivax were the most likely scums and Sho most likely to be town. So if Sho, rayn and I want to win all of us needs to vote the same person because if someone votes town then town loses. So that's why I thought it would be necessary that Sho believe that rayn is town and rayn also will vote you (or Vivax if that's more preferred by Sho or rayn). But I was also asking why my reasoning would be wrong that if there really is good reasoning why my deduction sucks I could reconsider rayn again. But that reasoning never came. Tictock wrote: What do you think about what I last noted about Vivax? I think you have a point and I think Vivax dodge your question. | ||
Zey
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ShoCkeyy wrote: Zey is only creating confusion between you and Vivax and it needs to stop. How I'm creating confusion if TT is reacting Vivaxs posts? :D | ||
Zey
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ShoCkeyy wrote: The smiley face is so scummy. Yep, that's explains a lot. x) | ||
Zey
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raynpelikoneet wrote: TT you need to vote for shockeyy if you're town. I think it's okay because with Vivax and Sho scumteam they don't have a change of win if town votes only scums and even if they decide to vote some town the first one getting two votes (in this case Sho) will die. But I still would like to vote Vivax, but I need you rayn vote also because I'm still not sure if TT is going to keep his vote on Vivax. | ||
Zey
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Can hapahauli be wrong? x) | ||
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Sho wrote: How was it bullshit? Our reads were correct no matter what. You and Tictock were mafia, Zey was never going to vote against you, it's simple as that. Good for you being correct. And yep I wasn't going against rayn at least not with reasons "rayn is scum because he is alive" and some made up stuff. If you want me believe someone is scum try to tell good reasons why he is or at least try to discuss about it. There were so many questions that you guys just ignored and that isn't good way to convince anybody. Sorry for being wrong about mafia but I did my best and in my perspective your and Vivaxs behavior was more scummy than Tictocks and rayns. I didn't vote you or Vivax because rayn is my friend, I did it because I thought you were scums. Sorry for being wrong. | ||
Zey
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Sho wrote: I mean, even if you thought we were scummy, AT LEAST consider the fact that Rayn could of been mafia. I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again. | ||
Zey
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ShoCkeyy wrote: Can you post that? I don’t recall you ever thinking Rayn was possibly mafia. Sorry my mistake. I meant to wrote that I told you why I thought rayn was town and I was asking why I was wrong. | ||
Zey
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raynpelikoneet wrote: I think she is meaning "isn't" instead of first "is"? Nevertheless she was giving reasons for me to be town and asking you to debunk them which you apparently never did? Well the reasoning was that you are alive (and even I as a scum would have kept you alive), you weren't so active as usually (but you don't move every day so...) and you are pocketing me (and if you believe that reason it would mean that you can never think that somebody is town) so... :D | ||
Zey
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raynpelikoneet wrote: We didn't really have any "good" shots. I was actually in favor of not shooting anyone N1 (but TT made a good call on jock being a power role). N2 we only shot jeekaka because maybe it will make you think vivax/shockeyy is actually mafia (without me saying that). I was actually considering shooting you instead (TT wanted to shoot noone), i could have always painted vivax mafia quite reasonably imo. I just thought jeekaka being dead would enforce the case on vivax + shockeyy more than the other way around. Well they helped me (at least vivax did) on D3. Well it's too bad that you didn't shoot me. I was all night just hoping that I would die and I wouldn't need to read english anymore. x) Btw why did you say that you think Vivax is town end of N2? | ||
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