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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:04 GMT
#741
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 17:46 Holyflare wrote:
Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?

Dont trap him vecause he didnt consider that eywa post a case.

Pathetic.

You are.


I'm literally not trapping him in anything so please stop playing for Alakaslam and play for yourself. I'm simply seeing why he makes the post "people killed off rayn based off no cases" and then didn't follow up on any of those people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:07 GMT
#742
On July 26 2019 18:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:59 Koshi wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:33 Holyflare wrote:
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.

Please. Go away.


When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?

And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.

What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?

Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.

Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?

Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.


I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.

Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.


Says the guy who thought I flipped from town reading slam to scum reading slam?

I haven't read much, no, and I clearly know and have interacted with slam/bugs about how slam got to myself/pandain (which, again, if you'd read the thread you'd know?) but that STILL doesn't actually answer my very specific question that has absolutely nothing to do with slam reading vivax's filter and picking out 2 names, 1 of which he didn't even scum read (me).
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:09 GMT
#743
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..

I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.

My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.

I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:10 GMT
#744
Look into means nothing AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Stop misconstruing my original point you pleb. Jesus christ.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:10 GMT
#745
On July 26 2019 17:21 Koshi wrote:
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
HF

4 good mafia candidates. There are some close to these but these are doing bad atm.

I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:12 GMT
#746
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote:
And Chezinu has nothing to do with all that. Try to read.

And if Eywa is mafia he called the entire ploy as well.

And he called rayn correctly as well. With confidence.


He is on another level as us and he is town.
Don't hate, just follow.



This is literally my point!!!!

CHEZINU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANDAIN OR MYSELF (who slam only scum read based on vivax) SO WHY DOES CHEZINUS ALIGNMENT DEPEND ON PANDAIN??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:13 GMT
#747
It's like talking to a trump supporter that just repeats inane statements without actually listening to what the people are actually saying.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:14 GMT
#748
Like fuck me are you the Alakaslam fan base or something? Why can he not defend himself without you?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:21 GMT
#749
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.

He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.

See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.

Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.

If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:22 GMT
#750
On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.

Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.


Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?

I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)

I want to see more opinions on this list of players:

FF
Coag
Chezinu
HF
Pandain

As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.

-wherebugsgo


My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.

My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.


I personally am not giving HF much heat because

1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.

2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD

3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.

As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.

This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.

What do you think of Coag and FF then?

-wherebugsgo

This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.

WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:24 GMT
#751
On July 26 2019 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.

On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill slam


On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not going to until hydra dies tho


I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.

-wherebugsgo

Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him.
HF more if Pandain flopped green.

I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.

Now for some insane reason HF want to proof Slam is mafia for above slightly modified post.

Slam gives great content. But that little comma, and the fact Slam said there were no cases on rayn is THE MOTHERFUCKER DEALBREAKER.

7 pages on slam.

But the goddamn comma makes him mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:26 GMT
#752
@all except hf. Slam is good in reading Chezinu btw.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:28 GMT
#753
On July 26 2019 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.

On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill slam


On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not going to until hydra dies tho


I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.

-wherebugsgo

Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him.
HF more if Pandain flopped green.

I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.

Now for some insane reason HF want to proof Slam is mafia for above slightly modified post.

Slam gives great content. But that little comma, and the fact Slam said there were no cases on rayn is THE MOTHERFUCKER DEALBREAKER.

7 pages on slam.

But the goddamn comma makes him mafia.


You have edited this alakslam post grammatically to make it look better because this is not the original quote. Nor have I said it makes him conclusively mafia.

The comma makes the entirety of difference. Why does Pandain's alignment effect chezinu alignment?

Furthermore, I don't see your problem with me asking Alakaslam why he has not pushed people he said were doing suspicious things.

None of these things are bad and I simply don't agree that 7 pages of slam filter make him town or anything, especially when I disagree with almost every statement he makes.

Sorry you don't feel the same way but please shut up so slam can play the game with me. You're intruding in a very normal question directed to another player.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:30 GMT
#754
Anyway. Most likely scenario is that:

Scum!HF sees that Slam has him as his top scumread. Scum!HF attacks Slam.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:31 GMT
#755
On July 26 2019 18:30 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. Most likely scenario is that:

Scum!HF sees that Slam has him as his top scumread. Scum!HF attacks Slam over a comma.

I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:31 GMT
#756
This is even blown way out of proportion. I'm not voting slam, nor have I said he is conclusively mafia (you thought i thought he was town even) I've said pandain's filter is bad and is probably mafia (who slam is voting) but when somebody looks suspicious (pandain) really clearly so and another player (slam) is ALREADY putting qualifiers on his lynch about myself or chezinu being more scummy based on pandain's flip if he's town them I'm going to make all of those enquiries because I'm town and it looks really fucking bad to say.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:42 GMT
#757
On July 26 2019 18:31 Holyflare wrote:
This is even blown way out of proportion. I'm not voting slam, nor have I said he is conclusively mafia (you thought i thought he was town even) I've said pandain's filter is bad and is probably mafia (who slam is voting) but when somebody looks suspicious (pandain) really clearly so and another player (slam) is ALREADY putting qualifiers on his lynch about myself or chezinu being more scummy based on pandain's flip if he's town them I'm going to make all of those enquiries because I'm town and it looks really fucking bad to say.

IT IS IN A CONTEXT. A VERY LOGIC WELL THOUGHT OUT CONTEXT.

Vivax dies
Slam makes post on 2 main suspects of Vivax and concludes due to death it is likely there is mafia in there.
Reads filters.
Doesnt want to kill HF due to potential importance to town and a post from hydra.
Then makes a post that if 1 of the 2 people Vivax suspects flips town the other one becomes more mafia.


WHERE IS THE PROBLEM YOU ******?!?!?!?!?!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2019 09:43 GMT
#758
Ahh last comment I make towards HF. Sorry all for spam. I got baoted by potential mafia.

Shouldnt happen.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:51 GMT
#759
At no point did vivax scum read me. He threw my name into a look into pile. He scum reads pandain and qualifies why.

Pandain flipping town is qualified with making CHEZINU more mafia or myself. CHEZINU has literally no involvement with vivax's filter nor should it affect his read on chezinu.

I will speak nothing more of this. It's abundantly clear what I mean and have meant all along and you've repeatedly misconstrued it. Probably not maliciously, just Koshily.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 26 2019 09:58 GMT
#760
Furthermore, the original post was why does Chezinu post that post he did. Which the response should simply be "because I think he is mafia". Pandain and hf do not belong in that post, especially so with the qualifier.
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