On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not going to until hydra dies tho
I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.
-wherebugsgo
Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him, HF more if Pandain flopped green.
I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy.
The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.
I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.
Ok let's kill Pandain.
Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.
I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.
FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.
Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.
On July 26 2019 12:40 Eversince wrote: I think this whole fight is stupid btw. WBG has said entire game he's more a sounding board and letting Jock run the ship. I checked EoD votes and even if FF changed votes to you no one off Rayn wagon was going to move and Coag was mia iirc. So it's weird but I'm not sure it anything more than NAI.
I'm completely caught up now, I'm strech my legs and let the dog out! Be back in 5-10!
what fight the one post where I said letting jock vote is dumb?
scummy post
Not sure how.. Best of my knowledge is BWG is Euro, Jock is here for deadline. They colab obviously as hydra but he's said he's letting Jock take final decision on vote the ENTIRE game!
On July 26 2019 14:08 NoSmurfHere wrote: 9:44 FF votes for us
9:45 Tubesock votes for us
9:47:
On July 26 2019 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: also if I'm in your pocket and you're you're doing a powerscum just be careful I'm spiky like a bunch of keys in tight jeans
This is trying to avoid responsibility for you own vote
-J
Given the other post I made this is kinda wrong I didn't read the context beforehand, let me EBWOP:
On July 26 2019 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: also if I'm in your pocket and you're you're doing a powerscum just be careful I'm spiky like a bunch of keys in tight jeans
This is trying to avoid responsibility for you own vote
Here's the thing.
FF never specifically said he was townreading tubesock. He never gave any impression that he would have a reason to sheep tubesock until suddenly when we are putting pressure on him he decides to 'sheep' tubesock and vote for us (when it was 100% obvious that TS would vote for us anyway). This is opportunistic to say the least. He then talks about maybe being in TS's pocket as a way of ensuring that we all know that if it goes wrong its not his fault.
So FF are you scum or are you so stupid that really didn't already know who TS was going to vote for?
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy.
The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.
I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.
Ok let's kill Pandain.
Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.
I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.
FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.
Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.
Do you even read his posts though? It's not that he was right on rayn, I really don't give a shit about being right on someone's alignment. It's that he was right BUT HAD NO IDEA why half the people on rayn were on rayn. So, he casually berates people while simultaneously saying there's no case on rayn when there actually was. He can't be bothered to read into why people vote where they do but still calls them out for it anyway and then has made absolutely 0 conclusions on any of those people that voted really obvious town rayn for no reason?
His filter for the last few pages is basically absent of any proper read until vivax flips which is when he decides that vivax was on the right track with vivax saying "look at hf and pandain" rather than any other reason at all. He's 180d his town read on me based on something I'd never even do but his town read on me was because he knows what I do?
The hydra is playing very open and I can see them rethink the game in their posts. I think because they are 2 that they are a bit more prudent in advancing and eliminating more names from their current pool.
EPT
