HF that whole interaction makes me town read you but I’d prefer if you worked constructively with me this game unlike last game where you told me I sounded weird and you went along and killed iGrok anyway despite all the reasons not to. You know, rather than spending time polluting the thread with our friend Koshmeister here.
Right now my top 3 are FF, slam, and Chezinu.
Explain why I should care about killing Pandain vs letting him slide another day when some of my top scum reads are actively trying to kill Pandain?
From my perspective Pandain looks bad but it’s almost purely on the basis of (in)activity. In both of the games I’ve played recently inactivity was handled appropriately by the hosts and I see no reason to expect that an inactive Pandain is conclusively scum Pandain, especially when there are more, substantial and obvious reasons to kill either FF or slam today.
Like note how slam nit picked an entire post of mine and even got the nitpick wrong, then just ignored everything I said.
Or how FF cherry picked me and then when I rebutted it he just disappeared and hasn’t responded.
Pandain feels different this game, I’ll admit that. I don’t get the confidence people are exuding in lynching him though because I don’t understand the basis for that confidence. What exactly is the case for Pandain other than he hasn’t done much? And on that same basis why aren’t we killing Coag who basically did the exact same thing except post some minorly popular generalities that literally anyone could post?
On July 26 2019 19:49 Holyflare wrote: I scum read pandain because he overzealously town read me and slam and it looks really bad among other things. I'll explain later.
I'm just popping in for the tiniest amount of time but this is 100% not what happened and you should reread my post on the matter.
I said you seem town or at least am playing pro town. Maybe the emphasis should have been on the playing pro town because.
I mean I don't know how anyone can really have an opinion on me one way or the other. I'm essentially nill. I've had no time for anything extra at all the past three days, and only time i posted was sporadically at work when things opened up. Not a bad reason to kill me (inactivity) i guess
The last six hours of Koshi have taken him off my strongest town read list. The sellout defense of slam is not a good look. In my opinion nobody has yet really addressed the TMI piece of the slam case well. And I can't shake my gut meta read either.
I'm reasonably certain HF is town at this point which makes me less confident vivax was killed because of his reads and more likely scum were hunting the other mason. Pandain is still on my scum list but that's just based off of activity and meta rather than vivax.
The people trying to get the Hydra killed are really off the mark here. If anything the Hydra is one of the few people most actively scumhunting. Tube I understand you're kinda playing the devil's advocate this game but at this point I think your tunnel of the hydra is unproductive.
oops didn't even finish my second sentence. this is how busy i am.
I don't have a real read on anyone anymore especially since I haven't read anything since later half of day 1. I'm gonna filter dive tonight and try to force in a couple hours.
I just checked the voting thread and remembered chez is voting Tube. C'mon man, give an opinion on the people who are actually being discussed as potential lynch candidates today.
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL
Game is harder than it should be.
Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.
On July 26 2019 22:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just checked the voting thread and remembered chez is voting Tube. C'mon man, give an opinion on the people who are actually being discussed as potential lynch candidates today.
I asked earlier for an explanation on this and got none.
When I think of Chezinu’s play this game I distinctly get the feel that he is trying to be ignored.
Even if Chezinu trolls regardless of alignment I don’t think as town he trolls because he wants to be straight up ignored. He puts useful information in his posts that require people to pay some level of attention, but there is useful information there.
In this game he’s not doing that at all, he just seems to be trolling for the sake of trolling and it almost seems like he wants to be dismissed as a non-factor. That only makes sense from a scum Chezinu perspective, IMO.
Like why vote tube at all unless he wants to be ignored?
On July 26 2019 22:28 Pandain wrote: oops didn't even finish my second sentence. this is how busy i am.
I don't have a real read on anyone anymore especially since I haven't read anything since later half of day 1. I'm gonna filter dive tonight and try to force in a couple hours.
hi branch
You should start with my filter, you'll be done in no time
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy.
The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.
I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.
Ok let's kill Pandain.
Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.
I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.
FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.
Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.
Do you even read his posts though? It's not that he was right on rayn, I really don't give a shit about being right on someone's alignment. It's that he was right BUT HAD NO IDEA why half the people on rayn were on rayn. So, he casually berates people while simultaneously saying there's no case on rayn when there actually was. He can't be bothered to read into why people vote where they do but still calls them out for it anyway and then has made absolutely 0 conclusions on any of those people that voted really obvious town rayn for no reason?
His filter for the last few pages is basically absent of any proper read until vivax flips which is when he decides that vivax was on the right track with vivax saying "look at hf and pandain" rather than any other reason at all. He's 180d his town read on me based on something I'd never even do but his town read on me was because he knows what I do?
I did not flip my read on you because “you killed Vivax”
Lazy ass, read my filter. Your alignment doesn’t matter here. There are better cases to make against me to get me lynched, I am literally feeding them to you.
I am voting for Pandain who “I know to be town” while throwing shade on you to be lynched next.
Get smart. Find the real reasons I am scum because I am literally giving them to you on purpose.
On July 26 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Holyflare read post 700 that makes FF clearly mafia right?
No reason for town to go about their business like that.
Jock you aren’t literally trying to get killed stop posting scummy shit like this. Either you think what you think or you need approval to mislynch am i wrong?
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
You are displaying some really weird reading comprehension here.
On July 26 2019 17:46 Holyflare wrote: Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?
Dont trap him vecause he didnt consider that eywa post a case.
Pathetic.
You are.
I'm literally not trapping him in anything so please stop playing for Alakaslam and play for yourself. I'm simply seeing why he makes the post "people killed off rayn based off no cases" and then didn't follow up on any of those people.
I didn’t need to. The burden of proof was on them, but they weren’t looking for information or trying to get votes- they only needed just enough to get their Lynch. Laziness or mafia, but even as mafia it is laziness but you need some or you risk enlight
Wait
Enlightening the town so the vote moves and I just realized there MUST be scum on Rayn.
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.
I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.
Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.
Says the guy who thought I flipped from town reading slam to scum reading slam?
I haven't read much, no, and I clearly know and have interacted with slam/bugs about how slam got to myself/pandain (which, again, if you'd read the thread you'd know?) but that STILL doesn't actually answer my very specific question that has absolutely nothing to do with slam reading vivax's filter and picking out 2 names, 1 of which he didn't even scum read (me).
This is true Koshi, I didn’t see you quoting HF ever townreading me. That claim also had me go “wtf?”
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote: And Chezinu has nothing to do with all that. Try to read.
And if Eywa is mafia he called the entire ploy as well.
And he called rayn correctly as well. With confidence.
He is on another level as us and he is town. Don't hate, just follow.
This is literally my point!!!!
CHEZINU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANDAIN OR MYSELF (who slam only scum read based on vivax) SO WHY DOES CHEZINUS ALIGNMENT DEPEND ON PANDAIN??
But you, get off this train I did not connect Chezinu to this.
Not in that post, not ever. HF I thought you knew Russian right? Part of my problem with English (my home tongue) is I now know 2 languages with a smattering of like 9
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