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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 06:49 GMT
#380
In fact rayn scumreading me on day 1 is pretty much a town tell for me (Midnight Sun mafia, he was '100%' like he is now) , but the fact that he had decided he was going to do that before we even posted anything and then insisted on nitpicking every little thing we said to make that happen should be quite transparently obvious at this point.

J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 07:23 GMT
#382
On July 23 2019 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think if i had to pick a lynch right now it would be the hydra.


Just a reminder, this was before we had posted anything.
You won't be able to convince me that rayn's vote could possibly have landed anywhere else from this point on.
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 07:24 GMT
#383
On July 24 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Immediate gut reactions:

Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.

Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.

Vivax - nothingburger

Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.

FF - dunno

Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.

rayn - waiting to see on this one.

Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.


Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.

J


Why did you say you don't want to put your views into the thread because of the mechanics of hydras (implying you wanted to talk to bugs about it first) but then put out your reads in the thread?



I said you won't get a bunch of reads, only reactions, and that's exactly what this post was, not calling anyone scum, just reacting to specific things.
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 07:26 GMT
#384
^^ J
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NoSmurfHere
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New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 08:07 GMT
#386
OK we're both leaning town on eywa. FF probably too.

Koshi even though your first post was horrible I'm totally down with what you're saying about eywa being the most sensible poster so far so I'm happy to put that to the back of my mind.

To me, this eywa looks exactly like town eywa I've seen in other games, so yeah, no doubt.

Are you just sheeping eywa or do you have any thoughts of your own/stuff you think I should look at?
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NoSmurfHere
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New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 08:14 GMT
#387
#386 is Jock, sign your posts buddy

Slam can you stop posting every thought please? I literally am posting this now because I read page 19 or whatever it was and I am surprised there isn’t a mod action for that.

In fact if you as much as double post again I will make it my goal to include you as a lynch suspect in every post I make (and hopefully get you killed) if the hosts don’t get to you first because I have no desire to play in a game like the last one ever again.

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 16:54 GMT
#441
Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.

The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:

I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.

Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.

I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 18:56 GMT
#458
We're voting rayn. No choice. Even if there was we'd vote for him. Bugs, koshi and eywa have all done a good job explaining why.

-J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 22:20 GMT
#482
On July 25 2019 05:21 Coagulation wrote:
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On July 25 2019 03:56 NoSmurfHere wrote:
We're voting rayn. No choice. Even if there was we'd vote for him. Bugs, koshi and eywa have all done a good job explaining why.

-J

So this is a scummy post imo.
Absolving self from any possible suspicion if a town rayn flips with flimsy excuses.



It doesn't absolve self.
Bugs is part of this hydra, he explained why we were voting for rayn.
We don't both need to explain the same shit.

-J
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 22:55 GMT
#487
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.

Not good. He is a strong player.


Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.

Anyway, so people can make associations later:

My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.

Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.

I vote him to save Rayn.


I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.

The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.

I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.

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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 22:55 GMT
#488
Posted too early, it’s me

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:09 GMT
#491
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.


Oh hey, you’re here

See my last post, it seems we’re onto the same things.

What do you think of Pandain not doing anything so far? And he called you townish too, I was a bit surprised personally

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:11 GMT
#492
On July 25 2019 08:05 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Posted too early, it’s me

-wherebugsgo

Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim.


Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town?

In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain?

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:25 GMT
#495
On July 25 2019 08:15 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:05 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Posted too early, it’s me

-wherebugsgo

Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim.


Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town?

In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain?

-wherebugsgo

I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum.

Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team.


What about Coagulation?

I really personally don’t think MZ is scum here. Here’s where I stand:

1. Coagulation is scum or at the very least an anti-town prick for essentially shitting on everyone and then voting MZ without ever rationalizing it. He didn’t bother to convince anyone why MZ is scum or even why his vote ended up there. In fact I only know his vote ended up on MZ because I read the final vote count. Completely unremarkable play otherwise on day 1. Would kill with fire.

2. Slam looks really bad for preemptively reacting to rayn likely flipping town with reasons that seem ass-pulled. The only difficult thing I have to reconcile is that he is posting a lot, no idea what his mafia play is actually like. OTOH 25 (??) posts in a row has to be intentional and I am completely fine on principle to kill him over that alone. (call me scum for this I dare you, anyone)

3. FF looks okay to me because some of his engagements with other players (like MZ) looked legit, but I have no particularly strong read on him. Bit of a waffle, but gut reaction on flip was to push him scummier. Honestly can’t answer why I thought that.

I’m hoping Pandain can come in and actually contribute/make it clear for us what his alignment is because if he rolled scum then we have to deal with that as well.
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:25 GMT
#496
-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:37 GMT
#504
On July 25 2019 08:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:34 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?

I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.

Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?

There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again

OK good luck without me Eywa-

Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.

Not everyone of course.

Not happy to see the brown inactive


You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.

Go for it, town fool

Do it

I won’t even resist


How are you so sure at this point that HF is town?

Like even though he agrees with me on you and he was one of the initial folks on rayn I still don’t townread him lol

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:43 GMT
#507
On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then


Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa?



On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote:
What the fuck is sexy single mason?

Read the op

What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?


This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts.

Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF?
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:43 GMT
#508
^^ - Jock
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:44 GMT
#509
On July 25 2019 08:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 08:25 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:15 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:05 Eywa- wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Posted too early, it’s me

-wherebugsgo

Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim.


Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town?

In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain?

-wherebugsgo

I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum.

Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team.


What about Coagulation?

I really personally don’t think MZ is scum here. Here’s where I stand:

1. Coagulation is scum or at the very least an anti-town prick for essentially shitting on everyone and then voting MZ without ever rationalizing it. He didn’t bother to convince anyone why MZ is scum or even why his vote ended up there. In fact I only know his vote ended up on MZ because I read the final vote count. Completely unremarkable play otherwise on day 1. Would kill with fire.

2. Slam looks really bad for preemptively reacting to rayn likely flipping town with reasons that seem ass-pulled. The only difficult thing I have to reconcile is that he is posting a lot, no idea what his mafia play is actually like. OTOH 25 (??) posts in a row has to be intentional and I am completely fine on principle to kill him over that alone. (call me scum for this I dare you, anyone)

3. FF looks okay to me because some of his engagements with other players (like MZ) looked legit, but I have no particularly strong read on him. Bit of a waffle, but gut reaction on flip was to push him scummier. Honestly can’t answer why I thought that.

I’m hoping Pandain can come in and actually contribute/make it clear for us what his alignment is because if he rolled scum then we have to deal with that as well.

Actually I’ve done it with you before WBG but I totally get it as that was in 2013 or so. This is no lie.

That being said WBG you might actually want to pay attention to the fact that I can’t use a PC for mafia 90% of the time.

When I catch up, I react on real time. I can tell you need to be told this because you didn’t read the posts simply because they were consecutive.

Might want to try doing that.

Or we could lunch you but I think I have to go first.


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I’m entirely phone-posting too. I need 3 tabs because I have a quote open in another tab, QT with Jock open in another tab, and in the main tab I write my actual post.

But anyway, I’m not rereading those posts because I’m not rereading this game. I already read them once and didn’t find them at all alignment indicative.

Also I totally believe you that in the past you might have done the exact same thing and I would’ve been fine with it. I think activity nowadays is very different (though this game is at a very nice leisurely pace, it’s quite enjoyable actually) and while in the past I could get away with posting more and I hated low posters, nowadays I hate spam almost as much as I hate lurking. Moderation and consolidation is the cool, not so new but hip thing in my mind.


/end metagame rant

HF, two names for you: coag and FF. Tell me where you stand on them.

-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 24 2019 23:58 GMT
#515
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.

Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.

I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.


Posting 25 times in a row does not encourage other people to post more. It has the opposite effect in general, in fact. Just look at both my reaction and Pandain’s reaction. I don’t want to have to deal with spam in this game. It’s actually one reason I’m really happy rayn is dead because he spent a lot of energy attacking us (6 pages!) and he was wrong. He would have probably tunneled us until one of us died and if that went into day 2 that would have been awful especially if folks turned around and lynched the other side immediately afterward. This is all made even worse by the fact that he was certain we were scum before either of us had even made a single post.

Post volume often correlates with alignment but that level of analysis to clear a player is too simplistic. I am one of the most active players on the forum and I guarantee you that I am the best scum player in this player list. Likewise to HF who is very active and very good at scum. Active scum players pollute the thread on purpose, knowing that multiple posts and posts that repeat the same idea will cause thread sentiment to shift often without any resulting blame coming back to the originator simply because the sheer volume discourages other players from killing you.

-wherebugsgo

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