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yeah dunno. tbh i am a bit weary of meta reads on ppl i dont know well or havent played with in a while etc not saying meta is a bad tool. but if you are only relying on a meta read im a bit dunno. esp given we have a like 200page fucking thread full of info i would be happy if it was like meta + x other thing.
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On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x.
and then nothing happens.
think rayn explains it in here:
On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case. Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case" Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote: I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote: I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: reiteratating:
she asks you for reads you say basically nothing everyone lives happily ever after Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
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right. think ill try to get chores out of the way and then continue where i left off regarding calix
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was also not easy to even get some form of consolidation d1 for the lynch
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On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3 ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter...
On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case. Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case" Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote: I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote: I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: reiteratating:
she asks you for reads you say basically nothing everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary. think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh.
anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30
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On May 25 2019 20:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:20 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 20:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc...
We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ Well clearly you aren't reading our interaction or you wouldn't have posted this. Anyway thanks for trying to mansplain rayn to me BC <3 ill claim that as revenge for you trying to mansplain how to use ctrl+f in someones filter... On May 25 2019 20:16 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 20:04 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you will not have my vote becaus Calix and Conversion are mafia and i don't know who the third one is. Conversion plays really good if he is mafia. Consistent and smart posts. I think he is like 10% mafia tops though. Very tops. I dont see it. think there was a weird interaction conv and calix had. rayn had a good post on it. was kinda like calix: conv what is your read on x. conv: super non commital stuff on x. and then nothing happens. think rayn explains it in here: On May 24 2019 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:VE: On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: here is what conversion did last night:
iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case. Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case" Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him. On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote: I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.
I got it from this post: On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote: I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.
Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? [...] On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this. I mean: Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis. I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix. On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: reiteratating:
she asks you for reads you say basically nothing everyone lives happily ever after On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else: I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!). also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game. In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist tl;dr I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town. I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game. On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I like this summary. think you had a post where you implied calix asks a lot of questions but doesnt do a lot of conclusiosn/follow ups on that? do you have more examples? from the top of my head the only time that happened was the stuff with conv. thats also why i want to check her filter tbh. anyways... still need to do groceries. see you guys in like 30 Bro you have NO IDEA how much I wished someone had told me these things when I started here. But whatever.
On May 25 2019 20:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Like that goes for ALL the little shit I've posted that seems out of place - explaining to Blue how VCA works, explaining to you how Ctrl-F works, it's all my attempt at paying it forward for when someone somewhere told ME about that shit. Just throwing that out there. is cool. just giving you a bit of crap. not like i was really annoyed. was more like "d00d, really?". think weve even played together in a game in like 2016. can only remember that you were scum and the town tracker got you.
On May 25 2019 20:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 19:37 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2019 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: mhm then why is everyone voting not Calix? Because you don't care enough to try and get people to vote Calix obviously. Instead everyone lynching iGrok because HF has a big huge case on him. I've made my case already. Still dont think iGrko is mafia and HF case is not as strong as claims. Dfinitely not timeline case strong. i think that was a trap attempt by hf, cause hf cropped the image in a way that not all lines were shown. I didn't crop it, that was literally the image igrok posted. ah. yeah. think ive misunderstood one of your posts then.
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also honestly had an idea how the grok stuff on ve would have made sense from a town pov. and then hes like "oh there is hidden stuff im not allowed to talk about" ...
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like whoever in bc/calix/art/grok is town, is not making it easier for us to read them/solve the game tbh.
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right. grocieries. stop posting for a minute so i actually make it out of the house
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oh right i have to say that i am disappearing but you are not allowed to scum read me for that.
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On May 25 2019 21:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Has Disformation even had his own thought this entire game. Like, skimming his filter is literally asking people questions, summaries of other peoples reads and choosing who he pushes based almost always on other peoples posts. Meh, maybe im biased. depends. if you opened my filter after throwing me in your scum list in the last list post, then id say the chance of you being biased is pretty high.
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On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok?
I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him.
2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads?
Town BC Bugs VE(i know right)
Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock
Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion
Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I uh you know koshi claimed vet right? how is jock null to lean town? i can guess from your filter why conv is null to mafia lean, but could you like xplain any of your reads? think the only calix mention so far was in:
On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her.
As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN" Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing.
like did you even re read or just throw her into the scum pool to come something up for it later like you just did with me?
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On May 25 2019 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 07:35 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 07:31 disformation wrote:aight. so im gonna ask everyone present to take a look at this fine case once more: On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:1. Shitty entrance: On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it. 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. 3. Super aggro posting as he often does in scum games: On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. This post is particularly funny as he shits on the thread whilst not producing any alternatives himself. On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. On May 21 2019 20:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 20:30 disformation wrote: of the top of my head top 3 might just be like bc and conv. maybe grok. like if i say fuck this game i can sheep bugs. actually kinda want to look into joshi and rayn. imo joshi and i have totally different reeds. So let me get this straight. You only have 2 scum reads. Both of those people have called you mafia and thus you call them mafia in return. Then you say fuck it, you will sheep bugs.....who thinks one of your main scum reads is town? You are clearing reading the thread, but haven't looked into either Koshi or Rayn? Like what is this shit? 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. Pls kill. cause i think this has a good chance of hitting scum and didnt get talked about a lot. and ill have another tea (prolly bad idea at this time, but we) and then ill be around for a bit and decide what i want to do with this shitshow Pretty sure most people here said they liked the case. What ACTUALLY got ignored was BC's giant defense post. Personally I thought it overstated his involvement with finding scum-reads first. SO WHY ARE YOU NOT PUSHING BC?! Like, I understand that she's suspicious of iGrok as well, but she's barely been commenting on him during this time. Her posts are about Koshi needing a vig shot and being fine with both an iGrok and a BC lynch, yet her focus is on lynching iGrok. It does make me feel like it's unlikely both are mafia, unless the plan was to bus unnecessarily on D1. think she also was like "could go on bc" but didnt n1.
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on calix: first post: not sexy but prolly beaten to death by now. note: there is some disagreement on her reading hf town at this point. since its meta i'm going to ignore it here. looking at the early tr on me. i kinda had an idea. like maybe the style she is going for is something like "i have a small reason to tr someone, so ill tr them and interact with them and other ppl who ask about this read". so she is basically just into taking hard stances. i can see why ruxxar e.g. was like "how is she so sure on her stuff?" but i think she can be town for this. this also explains why she is trying to have ppl take hard stances a lot in her interactions. so the information is out there and the ppl can be followed up onto and taken accountable (eg the opposite of whatever bc is doing).
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On May 25 2019 22:06 disformation wrote: on calix: first post: not sexy but prolly beaten to death by now. note: there is some disagreement on her reading hf town at this point. since its meta i'm going to ignore it here. looking at the early tr on me. i kinda had an idea. like maybe the style she is going for is something like "i have a small reason to tr someone, so ill tr them and interact with them and other ppl who ask about this read". so she is basically just into taking hard stances. i can see why ruxxar e.g. was like "how is she so sure on her stuff?" but i think she can be town for this. this also explains why she is trying to have ppl take hard stances a lot in her interactions. so the information is out there and the ppl can be followed up onto and taken accountable (eg the opposite of whatever bc is doing). calix is also willing to reconsider stuff in a natural manner (see her conv read d1). in her answer to the conv interaction rayn pointed out, she at least acknowledged that conv didn really have fleshed out reads.
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On May 25 2019 22:14 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:06 disformation wrote: on calix: first post: not sexy but prolly beaten to death by now. note: there is some disagreement on her reading hf town at this point. since its meta i'm going to ignore it here. looking at the early tr on me. i kinda had an idea. like maybe the style she is going for is something like "i have a small reason to tr someone, so ill tr them and interact with them and other ppl who ask about this read". so she is basically just into taking hard stances. i can see why ruxxar e.g. was like "how is she so sure on her stuff?" but i think she can be town for this. this also explains why she is trying to have ppl take hard stances a lot in her interactions. so the information is out there and the ppl can be followed up onto and taken accountable (eg the opposite of whatever bc is doing). calix is also willing to reconsider stuff in a natural manner (see her conv read d1). in her answer to the conv interaction rayn pointed out, she at least acknowledged that conv didn really have fleshed out reads. so nah i dont see it. call me bad if you want, but id say she is prolly town.
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On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier?
On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D) just sayin
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On May 25 2019 23:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 23:11 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads. I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today. You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe. i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier? On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum. On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D) just sayin But his meta™ yeah. tbh i am also not 100% on bc and might be biased. like grok or bc is not even an easy decision. both are kinda doing fuck all
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