[M][N][72/24]Midnight Sun Mafia

On May 12 2019 03:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


you should play!

On May 11 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in

On May 13 2019 02:18 KelsierSC wrote:


That's really not an obstacle to joining games in the current era.

On May 15 2019 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
That’s why we gotta start lynching them

On May 15 2019 18:00 KelsierSC wrote:
Have to /out. Got approved to take important qualifications for work so minimal free time is now 0 free time.

On May 15 2019 21:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE is LI the game where you and Toad bussed each other, I shat up the thread d1 and then on d2 tunneled you so hard your team wanted to double stack me? And then the cohost posted the list of scum when he posted your flip?

that was a hilarious game

On May 19 2019 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

LETS GOOOO VE!! MY BODY IS READY!

On May 19 2019 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you my friend VE?

On May 19 2019 20:56 Holyflare wrote:


Now he's retroactively justifying it :D!!!!!!!!

On May 19 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN???

May I suggest you try dropping acid or something.

On May 19 2019 21:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hi VE can you help me figure out what bugs was thinking when he confirmed hf as town because I'm confused and WBG doesn't seem to be around to answer for me.

You're like some supreme detective ultra skilled town player right??

SHOW ME YOUR WAYS.

There's no way hf can be confirmed town from anything he posted. I'm struggling to see WBG as an over eager townie making such a simple mistake so early on.

On May 19 2019 20:47 Jockmcplop wrote:


Yeah but nothing's happening so I was trying to get mileage out of the only interesting thing and I just find it a weird way to post.
Its not really scummy** but its more just funny and interesting to think about rayn saying hello in such a convoluted way.

**(not as scummy WBG townreading hf for no reason though)

On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.

On May 19 2019 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Lets not forget the extremely handsome man who pointed it out first though.

On May 19 2019 21:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I suspect I'm boarding a plane home in an hour.

On May 19 2019 21:41 Holyflare wrote:


???

Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare).

The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend.

On May 19 2019 21:51 Jockmcplop wrote:


Are you saying that its suspicious that artanis voted for him first?

On May 19 2019 12:35 iGrok wrote:
I am also friendly, and wearing black tie attire

On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote:
I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.

I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol

##vote: Raynpelikoneet

On May 19 2019 23:12 Calix wrote:


Interesting observation but the host made his in-thread comment AFTER Grok's first post. Does this change your thoughts at all?

On May 19 2019 23:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'll be back maybe later tonight i'm going to nap and then to the pub.
I'm not sure about the iGrok thing. Seems like a little thing to me. I'll check back later and see what has come of it. When I return it'll probably be after midnight and i'll probably be fucking wasted.

On May 19 2019 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have to check if iGrok is really that terrible as mafia. If it was iamperfection who made that post i 'd vote in a heartbeat.

On May 19 2019 23:24 Calix wrote:


I think you exaggerate how much danger rayn is in. We're in a 72-hour day cycle. Some votes on rayn ~12 hours in =/= half the town wanting him cut, drawn and quartered.

If he is town, he has loads and loads of time to prove it. I don't see the point of trying to draw attention away from rayn when half the players haven't even posted yet.

On May 19 2019 23:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's less about trying to draw attention away from him - if you'll note I said we can absolutely pull him back into the pool in 24 hours - and more about trying to keep the thread from shitting up.

I'm not sure if you've played with rayn and bugs before, but they will absolutely shit up this thread trying to get the other lynched if they're both town. It will not be pretty. This is mostly an attempt to mitigate that possibility and put it off for as long as possible.

On May 19 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:


I literally don't even know what this case is supposed to highlight? What makes him mafia?

On May 19 2019 23:56 Holyflare wrote:


How is it contradictory?

On May 20 2019 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
May actually even vote him with you.

On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote:
While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.

On May 20 2019 08:17 Holyflare wrote:


Nvm.

Not sure I like VE' s reentry straight into Jock though.

On May 20 2019 07:19 Calix wrote:


Actually you know what?

I am calling bullshit on this.

This seems way too convenient. 1)VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, 2)tried diverting to iGrok, 3)claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc.

Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit.

Emphasis on the acting.

I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being.

#shamelesstinfoil

On May 19 2019 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

LETS GOOOO VE!! MY BODY IS READY!

On May 20 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
we should either ignore rayn or kill him because his reads are useless and all he’s doing is tanking the thread

also VE you’re making me tingly this game in a way I wasn’t feeling at all last game and that makes me really sad. With that said if you can talk to me about BC and it makes sense maybe I’ll feel better about you. So tell me, what do you think of BC?

BC, similar question to you. How would you read VE right now?

On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.

VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to

Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority

On May 20 2019 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to prove it right here. Here are all of mine and his (for him i am starting from where he questions me because nothing before matters -- just look at the first post of his) posts until the last one:













above post is irrelevant to whole discussion


##unvote Calix
##vote Jockmcplop

there is no way the green and red parts are true, he is just agreeing with what basically thread sentiment looks like.

On May 20 2019 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Always mafia right there, even for the most retarded people in this game.

On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm gonna pass on that one.

A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So...

B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me.

I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing?

On May 20 2019 19:49 wherebugsgo wrote:


what?

On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:


HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST

On May 20 2019 23:26 Calix wrote:


Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me.

On May 20 2019 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:


Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game.

Its weird.

On May 19 2019 21:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

Artanis goes in the town bu...

.....

*puts his Artanis chit back in his pocket*

...not so fast. I like this post and it says the things I'm saying. But I can't call you town for that just yet. You understand.

On May 19 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:

I disagree with your summation of rayn's play. I mean let me go look at his filter, but it looks like you disliked his entrance and have just been freaking out since, there's no indication that rayn is "obviously around" or "making posts now and again" or "ACTIVELY POSTING" as you say.

The crux of your case is an angleshoot based on role PMs and how he entered the thread. And yes, you tried to back it up with a throw-away meta statement. So yes, I'm bored.

On May 19 2019 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

As I said in my post DIRECTLY ABOVE that one HF, the first post heavily implies that he thinks rayn is town, that the town vanilla did NOT bother him. Clearly.

But then in the second one he says he thinks rayn got host-fucked.

It's a clear contradiction, are you really doing this?

On May 20 2019 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'm going to go point by point on this. Let it be known that I don't have to - thread sentiment is with me, you're under suspicion and not convincing anyone, so this is absolutely for YOUR benefit, Calix, and yours alone.


1) Yes, I warned you. I warned you all. I know what level rayn is willing to push it to, because I've played a fair amount with rayn.

2) I was explicit in my intentions in this thread - I said I was NOT willing to lynch inside bugs/rayn and that I was opening up my investigation into the rest of the game - that I was going back and rereading the game. And the result of that ended up being my iGrok point. Sure you can disagree with it or think it's weak or whatever you want. But it's consistent with what I've said I was going to put into this thread.

3) More like 1a. I did warn you. Because I've seen it. I made a similar read last game when he (again) got in a shitfight with Bugs in the middle of D1.

I'm not "setting anything up with rayn". If anything we're just falling into a rhythm, as we tend to do.


Now if you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to ask, but I consider this matter closed and your suspicion of me completely assuaged.

On May 20 2019 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


You forgot to finish your sentence.

On May 20 2019 23:48 Jockmcplop wrote:


Nah mate.
That wasn't flamebaiting I jsut got it wrong about that specific element of your posting differently. You seem less aggressive though for real.

On May 20 2019 23:50 wherebugsgo wrote:


no, you don't, because I'm not jumping to lynch Jock today and you figuring out Jock's alignment on d1 is not the most important thing you could be doing at this very moment.

This is why, even though I do townread you, it's not as strong as I did last game d2, because you're a smart player and a good town player, and in this situation should realize that 1.) a Jock lynch is not happening on d1 when we have much better lynches, 2.) your own judgment is being clouded by him trying to figure out the game in a way that doesn't jive with you, and 3.) the thing we need to do most urgently is bring the thread back to order.

On May 21 2019 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
God you guys do a lot of pointless arguing.

Give me a case to look at.

On May 21 2019 04:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Pretty sure Igrok isnt up for the lynch anymore Koshi

On May 21 2019 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
IE given that you had 0 issue with me basically saying the same thing last game, weird youd take issue with it here

On May 21 2019 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Go for it. Keep in mind my view of igrok this game (while being similar) is the exact same sentiment I had basically with Vivax. Again, it wasn't scummy as shit for me last game, not sure why you think it is now. Maybe because you are all in on the Igrok wagon but still.

On May 21 2019 06:34 Holyflare wrote:


Ignore the calls them mafia part but it's the caps lock replies in literally all your replies that make you look overeager at really mundane things. It feels like every time somebody posts anything remotely accusatory to you it's full on caps lock omg no.

On May 21 2019 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
oh well who knows anymore

On May 21 2019 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah I'm fine with ruX. I picked up reading after his initial post (which I initially townread him for) and he checked like all my townie marks in the first few posts after. I don't want to lynch ruX. Among the things I found were:

Annoyance at being ignored.
Annoyance with lurkers.
Fluid reads that change as people post.
Bringing up people others aren't looking at.

Among other more nuanced things I look for.

Rux not on my radar today.

On May 21 2019 02:33 ruXxar wrote:
havent played a mafia game where its been this hard to come up with solid reads ngl.
everyone being active smart or active gorilla, hard to tell apart day 1.

On May 21 2019 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:


I think I might be the only person publicly mafia reading you and that's certainly not why

but it's okay, I do agree with you that you're not getting lynched today and you have plenty of time to help me kill ruxxar. I know you're going to have to move your vote away from iGrok no matter what your alignment is, you're too smart to keep it there

On May 21 2019 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
that's certainly not why

On May 21 2019 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe she is mafia. Maybe I'm just dazzled that someone who doesn't know me is willing to call me mafia when I'm just SHITTING town all over the thread, idk.

On May 21 2019 19:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


Who do you actually townread this game and why were you so easily convinced by Koshi that Calix is scum?

On May 21 2019 19:27 Koshi wrote:
She is scum. You are all pants on head and I dont understand it.

On May 21 2019 11:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
jesus now Bugs is typing up a big huge post going OMGZORZ VE SCUM CAUSE HE MISREAD THIS WORD THAT TIME

I'm going to bed. You guys figure this shit out and I'll sheep whoever sounds the smartest. <333

On May 21 2019 19:31 Holyflare wrote:


I think this is the second time you've essentially said you're going to move your vote while having it on someone but given no other thoughts as to who?

On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.

To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.

Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced

On May 21 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:


stop dodging my question. I can buy that you don't have a real scumread at the moment, I'll let you get away on that one. But you aren't getting away on who you townread. If your sheep target makes sense I'll let you go. Otherwise I guarantee I will push for you to get lynched d2, whether I am alive or not.

On May 21 2019 19:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


Who's your strongest townread(s)?

This still doesn't really indicate to me who you'd be willing to sheep. Do you think BC is wrong on ruxxar? If you think BC is town, am I also town? If we're both town, why do you not want to sheep us on ruxxar?

On May 21 2019 19:59 Calix wrote:
We could lynch rayn. I haven't seen any good reasons to town-read him and a lot of us have him as null/ scum, yes?

On May 21 2019 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you vote rayn I might spare you

nah who am I kidding I'll probably try to kill you right after rayn dies

On May 21 2019 21:50 wherebugsgo wrote:


no thanks, the burden of proof on who is scum is not solely on me.

Do you think Koshi is town btw?

If you think rayn is town at least, and are confused at why I think you might be scum, and your intention is to sheep someone smart this game (clearly not me) then why not just sheep rayn?

On May 21 2019 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this post is really good although i don't remember if i said the same thing before.

i think there are multiple points here that mafia never says.

On May 20 2019 23:27 VisceraEyes wrote:

Things Only Town Say for 1000, Alex.

On May 21 2019 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
na-ah VE, asking people to vote for you doesn't mean they are town.

On May 21 2019 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why are you agaisnt lynching me?
should everyone think i am town now?

On May 21 2019 22:20 Calix wrote:


So, uh...who do you want to lynch exactly?

Far as I can remember, all you've done recently is explain why you town-read me even though you're also voting me. And get annoyed that people want to lynch you.

On May 21 2019 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Fucking calix calls me mafia, gives me no out in jer reasonings, and is still just unvoting me and saying there is 1 mafia in Koshi/rayn and looking for a third person to vote on.


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCKZRS READING????

HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE??????

On May 21 2019 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

idk what you are talking about?
in the secret hitler game he openly claimed D1 he will said with mafia....

On May 21 2019 22:40 Holyflare wrote:


?????? ？？

On May 21 2019 21:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count


Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Jockmcplop (1): Raynpelikoneet
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
VisceraEyes (1): BloodyC0bbler
Koshi (1): Conversion
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo

Not voting (3): iGrok, Artanis[Xp], Disformation

---

Calix is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

On May 21 2019 23:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
Insane.

On May 22 2019 00:01 Koshi wrote:
Kill Calix. Always kill Calix.

On May 22 2019 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I literally asked him why he voted for me in the first place.

On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Just so you guys are in no doubt:

I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it.
So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong.

This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead.

Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health.

On May 22 2019 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah i am talking about the point where he asked for my reads, i gave them, then he continued calling me mafia when i didn't give reads. Now he says "i switched targets when i got better target", which is after i claimed, so like...... umm... why do i believe that? or like why just not say i thought you are scum until you claimed but as you did you are prolly not?

On May 22 2019 00:24 Holyflare wrote:


His top post was like 30 minutes ago and it didn't mention anything about voting rayn based on his lack of scum hunting.

On May 22 2019 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also RVS is shit i didn't even realise that's a thing until he mentioned it

On May 22 2019 00:31 disformation wrote:
why no bc? hard to follow reads. fell off super hard after first half of this cycle. currently basically fear voting ve.

On May 22 2019 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

bc too nice to be mafia.

On May 22 2019 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wow i just realised i have told VE twice i am town. Shit i didn't sleep well at all during weeekend.

On May 22 2019 01:20 disformation wrote:

aight. to recap.
1) tr on hf early game (who the fuck can read hf that early)
2) entry post tone (ms/mrs roboto)
3) meta is off

and then we have koshi who is just not believing town would arrive at the reads calix has?

am i missing something?

On May 22 2019 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I def won't play any games without one in the future. My workless hobbyless no life days are behind me. I have no idea how VE does this stuff with a family.

On May 22 2019 01:48 disformation wrote:
okay at least koshi now makes more sense in my head. honestly didnt think calix was super serious about that tinfoil, which is why i didnt mind the 180°. think paranoia is more likely town. not sure if she would do that to throw shade on the "obv town"?

On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?

On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote:

Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?

On May 22 2019 02:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I still want to lynch the Cobbler but I doubt that's happening today. Need to go through the lurkers.

On May 22 2019 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not, the "who have you NOT called scum" post is golden.

On May 22 2019 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Imo mods should make jock innocent child and give mafia extra shot tonight.

On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

On May 22 2019 03:13 Calix wrote:


Last time I was here, I was trying to lynch rayn.

And got a grand total of one vote while everyone else dragged their feet.

Don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

On May 22 2019 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).