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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 24 2018 18:59 GMT
#3261
oh forgot vote thread

fixed
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 24 2018 19:30 GMT
#3262
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 19:55:46
April 24 2018 19:30 GMT
#3263
ENDGAME


Currentlyhomeless the goon has been lynched!

Town wins!

Tubesock the Veteren
and Holyflare the VT are victorious!




I think this game went well. I never told Eversince she got her gun back so that's my bad. I also had no idea I'd never hosted with 3 blues before weird. I have all the night actions if people are interested.

As always thanks to my cohost, AMG, and to everyone who played

Obs: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/q2bxqELhKXSrY
Mafia: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/3jsga7D5pyLrA

ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 24 2018 19:37 GMT
#3264
While there's quite a bit to mope about this game, I'm going to focus on some of the things I liked instead.

1. I enjoyed playing with Tubesock. He was pretty chill.

2. Tag-teaming mafia with Holyflare was neat. Usually we just argue with each other a bunch and then one of us dies early :D

3. I have respect for wherebugsgo's scum game. His persistence and improvisation made this game ten times more enjoyable, I think.

4. I also liked n00bking when he was in the game even though I didn't appreciate this at the time, lol. Maybe one day he'll survive past Day 2 on this site as town!
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 24 2018 19:46 GMT
#3265
A lot of talk here and in obs about the mafia nightkills. If someone from team scum has some insight on why the game went to shit that'd be cool. Do you guys think it ended up being the nightkills coming back to bite you or was there something else?

Also I ran my setup by HTS so any complaints about balance should be directed solely at her 😉
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 24 2018 19:49 GMT
#3266
setup was good, I approve
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 24 2018 20:18 GMT
#3267
what the fuck were those nks though?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 24 2018 20:18 GMT
#3268
also bugs it's an honour to play with someone that puts so much effort into being mafia, bravo
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 24 2018 20:38 GMT
#3269
ggs all.

I was confused by the NKs in obs.

I thought Calix was mafia early on because I did not like a number of things in her filter early game.

There were a couple of comments on setup in the game particularly related to the DT hate, so I posted comments in obs on why I think balance should have been the way it was in obs (without giving away that I knew the setup for obvious reasons).

In short:
(1) DT hate for parity should be limited to either a miller or a godfather for an m13 game, not both and definitely not a framer. I saw at least a few comments both in obs and in game, suggesting both GF and framer being present. In TL, that's considered extreme for a normal DT let alone parity.

(2) Three blues are okay in some setups esp with weaker roles. If there's a delay in a check (like there is in parity or a gunsmith - I had both here) and/or if prot is passive (vet versus JK/medic), it can work. For invs, you don't want mafia to be possibly discovered too quickly. At least all that's what I was taught by BH when I first started hosting. Ironically, I could have put in a full-strength medic and it would have been fine with these two investigatives (and possibility of gun going to mafia) but vet is slightly better since mafia had only one PR in their RB.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 24 2018 21:00 GMT
#3270
Would have made the goon a role cop personally but otherwise good balance imo
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 24 2018 21:13 GMT
#3271
gg, I take full responsibility for the NKs.

I have a theory on how to play scum and it nearly played out perfectly. I made one critical mistake early and that was roleblocking ever. I think I made lots of tiny mistakes n3 and after but none of them mattered as much IMO. FF did ever give the gun to rayn? If so, that was the mistake that lost us the game because the game would have played out identically and just ended on n3 instead. If not, it’s still likely the game would have ended on n3 as I would have forced a vote for the gun kill like HF did and made sure it landed on a townie.

Once I made that mistake I proceeded to hard throw the game n3 and after since I couldn’t adjust properly, partly due to me being dumb and partly due to not having time.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 24 2018 21:23 GMT
#3272
[image loading]

Should have all the actions there yes ever was giving the gun to rayn
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 24 2018 21:29 GMT
#3273
btw I know rayn will disagree with me on NKs but actually the only night where we could have killed HF (and maybe should have) was n3. However I would disagree even there.

I will vehemently disagree with anyone who says the NKs lost us the game, it was our shitty day play that lost us the game, but I know everyone thinks NKs (particularly killing good players) are really important for some reason. Had we played as a team and gotten a townie lynched on d4 we would’ve just won.

You can’t predict exactly what would have happened if we had shot different people. For example, I didn’t really have a good reason for killing GB other than people considered him townish and HF was likely to be protted n1. So people coming back and linking me and rayn being scum to him calling us scum in his last posts was just a fluke. I actually hadn’t even noticed he wrote that post.

My theory on scum is that the NKs matter only in so far as they should minimize the help given to town to lynch correctly. Suppose we killed “good” players instead. Let’s say we gambled on the prot and shot HF N1. Then we let everyone, especially better players like Vivax and Calix focus without paying attention to HF existing. Rayn would’ve gotten lynched earlier, and with a PC in the game if he checked HF n1 he would know his checks are real. We’d have to find him before he found one of us and with rayn being scum that was impossible unless we caught the breadcrumb.

If we shot Vivax we lost a townie who would help us throw doubt on HF and continue to make the game confusing. If we shot Calix we lost a townie who was making the game harder for everyone else (and several times almost became a lynch)

n3 if we shot tube and let exo live and check someone I think we would’ve won as well but that’s a very risky play only someone like me would consider, I think, and it follows the rule that NKs should not give town any info. Killing exo confirmed him and gave credence to the checks. Killing tube, even if exo came up with another check on d4, would have ensured town got no new info as literally no one considered tube scum.

Anyway I’m curious to hear others’ opinions there. And sorry Oats & rayn as I singlehandedly threw the game for us
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 24 2018 21:33 GMT
#3274
also what was with kush posting in the thread lol

that was top 5 wtf moments for me on this site
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 24 2018 21:38 GMT
#3275
On April 25 2018 06:33 currentlyhomeless wrote:
also what was with kush posting in the thread lol

that was top 5 wtf moments for me on this site

Since I didn't know you identity at that time I just assumed you were kush and outed yourself
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 24 2018 21:39 GMT
#3276
On April 25 2018 06:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 06:33 currentlyhomeless wrote:
also what was with kush posting in the thread lol

that was top 5 wtf moments for me on this site

Since I didn't know you identity at that time I just assumed you were kush and outed yourself


ahahahahaha

so literally kush wasn’t even in the game

thanks for hosting btw (and you too, AMG)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 24 2018 21:47 GMT
#3277
Your night kills completely threw my game off. Whatever day that was where it was Oats about to die and the remainders were Vivax, HF, Calix, CH and Rayn I had no idea who I thought was scum. I thought everyone of you could have been. I wanted to post more and use the confirmed status bit but kept rereading the game and filters and got nothing.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 24 2018 22:27 GMT
#3278
The fact that Skynx thought I was in the game as currentlyhomeless was hilarious. But sadly nope that wasn't me I still stuck in college until the 12th of May which I will get my associates of arts degree. Anyways gg wp I thought scum was going to win until the claims from currentlyhomeless kind of screwed himself over with it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 24 2018 22:35 GMT
#3279
On April 25 2018 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:
The fact that Skynx thought I was in the game as currentlyhomeless was hilarious. But sadly nope that wasn't me I still stuck in college until the 12th of May which I will get my associates of arts degree. Anyways gg wp I thought scum was going to win until the claims from currentlyhomeless kind of screwed himself over with it.


we already lost by that point I think :p

LYLO is kind of razor’s edge esp when there’s a cop check
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
April 24 2018 23:11 GMT
#3280
I really had no problem with the night kills until vivax was removed. The paranoia and distrust was keeping the town very fractured, I suspect had that kill been on calix, vivax could have been worked into a HF lynch and that's game.

Still a very entertaining game to watch, even if the salt levels went a bit high at times, nothing that required mod intervention.
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