EPTDon't misrepresent my WBG read as having anything to do with you.
@Koshi, I don't put much stock into how other people perceive someone's meta although I might take their points into consideration. In this case, BC is still in the red for me though.
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Calix
3379 Posts
Don't misrepresent my WBG read as having anything to do with you. @Koshi, I don't put much stock into how other people perceive someone's meta although I might take their points into consideration. In this case, BC is still in the red for me though. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how Calix completely ignoring the fact that BC conveniently voted to kill me EoD yesterday at a really important time. Makes my vote on her actually MEAN something. As far as I remember, he 'fear voted' you at a time when you had no votes and then took it off without really going anywhere with his read on you. So I think you over-exaggerate the significance of that. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:57 Calix wrote: Don't misrepresent my WBG read as having anything to do with you. @Koshi, I don't put much stock into how other people perceive someone's meta although I might take their points into consideration. In this case, BC is still in the red for me though. I mean, I never said one had anything to do with the other where you're concerned - only that the fact that he's pushing on me hard and has been for half a cycle MUST factor in to your read. You're lying if you say it doesn't.  | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I never said one had anything to do with the other where you're concerned - only that the fact that he's pushing on me hard and has been for half a cycle MUST factor in to your read. You're lying if you say it doesn't. Didn't pay it much mind because I town-read both of you at the time so just thought "oh boy, more unhelpful town on town squabbling" but hey, might look over those arguments again. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:58 Calix wrote: As far as I remember, he 'fear voted' you at a time when you had no votes and then took it off without really going anywhere with his read on you. So I think you over-exaggerate the significance of that. Nah, the reasoning is meaningless in the context of what I'm saying. It was the timing I was concerned with, there was no telling at the time that it wasn't really going anywhere, it was at a time when most people should have been considering compromising to achieve a lynch. So as "my mafia partner" he's voting me A) at a time when people should be considering voting OFF their reads to achieve a good lynch and B) at a time when someone with thread pull is in the thread baying for my blood. Nah. I'm not "over-exaggerating" or even exaggerating a little bit the significance of the vote. It was a bad vote if he's my partner and BC is not a bad player, and incidentally neither am I. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
Maybe he's staying just enough under the radar. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah, the reasoning is meaningless in the context of what I'm saying. It was the timing I was concerned with, there was no telling at the time that it wasn't really going anywhere, it was at a time when most people should have been considering compromising to achieve a lynch. So as "my mafia partner" he's voting me A) at a time when people should be considering voting OFF their reads to achieve a good lynch and B) at a time when someone with thread pull is in the thread baying for my blood. Nah. I'm not "over-exaggerating" or even exaggerating a little bit the significance of the vote. It was a bad vote if he's my partner and BC is not a bad player, and incidentally neither am I. Ah yes, a lone fear-vote with little explanation is REALLY going to get everyone baying for your head. My eyes just fell out from rolling so hard. You yourself complained about how stubborn and uncompromising [rayn/ Koshi/ WBG/ myself] were being, and this is in a game where literally nobody was gaining traction, so I don't believe you actually thought a slew of votes would fall onto you. It's also extremely scummy how you're spending less time trying to clear yourself and more time 'disproving' the BC/ VE association even though your reasoning doesn't disprove it at all. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:05 Jockmcplop wrote: Its a bit weird that everyone scumread Artanis during the night stage and yet no-one wants to lynch him. Maybe he's staying just enough under the radar. I'm not not willing to lynch Artanis. As I said earlier, I find Calix to be the easiest-to-achieve lynch today because of obstinate koshi. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:06 Calix wrote: Ah yes, a lone fear-vote with little explanation is REALLY going to get everyone baying for your head. My eyes just fell out from rolling so hard. You yourself complained about how stubborn and uncompromising [rayn/ Koshi/ WBG/ myself] were being, and this is in a game where literally nobody was gaining traction, so I don't believe you actually thought a slew of votes would fall onto you. It's also extremely scummy how you're spending less time trying to clear yourself and more time 'disproving' the BC/ VE association even though your reasoning doesn't disprove it at all. Frankly I don't care if you're voting for me. My reasoning IS good, and others that aren't you will see it. Your inability to see it makes you either mafia or salty for being voted. Either way I'm not going to convince you. Have a nice day. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
LoL | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not not willing to lynch Artanis. As I said earlier, I find Calix to be the easiest-to-achieve lynch today because of obstinate koshi. If its really easy to lynch someone like calix who has alot of people scumreading her don't you think there might be scum making it easy for you? | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly I don't care if you're voting for me. My reasoning IS good, and others that aren't you will see it. Your inability to see it makes you either mafia or salty for being voted. Either way I'm not going to convince you. Have a nice day. You voted for me yesterday and I didn't give a shit. Makes no sense for you to now think I'm attacking you purely because of you voting me as opposed to the context of your vote. Your responses only confirmed what I thought given you are literally voting for me so you don't have to go up against The Koshi. So I think my point has been made. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:10 Jockmcplop wrote: If its really easy to lynch someone like calix who has alot of people scumreading her don't you think there might be scum making it easy for you? We'll see if it's easy. Jock you have to understand that in mafia, people can say one thing and do another when it's crunch time. Yes, that's a concern. But currently me and TunnelKoshi are the only people voting for Calix, so hows about we talk about how "easy" the lynch is once we have like...more than 2 votes on her ya? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:11 VisceraEyes wrote: We'll see if it's easy. Jock you have to understand that in mafia, people can say one thing and do another when it's crunch time. Yes, that's a concern. But currently me and TunnelKoshi are the only people voting for Calix, so hows about we talk about how "easy" the lynch is once we have like...more than 2 votes on her ya? OK thanks for the tip. The more people explain basic obvious shit like this to me now the less you're all gonna have to in the future | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:14 Jockmcplop wrote: OK thanks for the tip. The more people explain basic obvious shit like this to me now the less you're all gonna have to in the future Frankly it's not obvious, you're right - a lot of people have stated suspicion of her. But NOT a lot of people have backed up that suspicion with a vote, so we'll see what happens when she's like, THE viable wagon. People put their money where their mouth is so to speak. You know, in exactly the way that Calix DIDN'T where iGrok was concerned yesterday. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Calix BC Artanis BUT I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly it's not obvious, you're right - a lot of people have stated suspicion of her. But NOT a lot of people have backed up that suspicion with a vote, so we'll see what happens when she's like, THE viable wagon. People put their money where their mouth is so to speak. You know, in exactly the way that Calix DIDN'T where iGrok was concerned yesterday. I mean we're coming at the discussion from different points of view. You're focusing on Calix because she's your target - so fair enough. From the perspective of someone looking at Artanis its strange though. I made a spreadsheet of everyone's reads during the night phase and artanis was scum on everyone's list (except hf), but everyone I have spoken to this morning has kinda got cold feet about that a little bit. I find that suspicious in itself - regardless of whether its because people are focusing elsewhere - because that's the kind of thing that could easily be directed using distraction without anyone really noticing. | ||
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