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Okay I haven't properly read the thread and don't think I'll get the time to do that this cycle because of work.
But I think it's really suspicious how every time I am in the thread, certain players 'town lean' me but when I am not in the thread, they start calling me potential mafia again or associate me with every goddamn person [iGrok, Artanis, BC, Conversion]. I am thinking I am being set up for a mislynch down the line because people know rayn/ Koshi will tunnel me until the end of time.
I am actually thinking this is more scummy than just rayn/ Koshi. Those two are, as far as I can recall, the ONLY people who have consistently scum-read me and called for my head. Meanwhile people like HF, VE, Artanis, BC dance around my alignment as and when it's convenient. And WBG claims to think I'm town yet has made several comments that look, to me, like he's encouraging people to vote for me/ consider me as an option. Which is fucking weird because why would you want a town read to be considered for lynch?
When I get the time I want to filter the HF, VE, Artanis, BC group because there's probably mafia in there and it might not necessarily be/ just be BC.
In the meantime, I am voting for iGrok.
##vote iGrok
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Noiice, we got a reset.
I’ve reached no conclusions yet and I fully intend to post very little, and when I do post I intend to do it in a more consolidated manner. I’m thinking of just taking very long breaks since I was very tilted and frustrated having to read loads and loads of filler and repetition. I’m not sure if I really feel like answering anyone’s questions today but feel free to send them at me if you want a chance at me providing some input.
I was a strong defender of both Jock and Calix yesterday. On Calix I would liken my confidence till now to be somewhere in between my confidence last game on Pandain & Jock—not as confident as I was willing to call Pandain town when I was on the chopping block, but definitely more confident than day 1 when I was apathetic to Jock being lynched and sheeped the wagon to get it over with. However I’m not going to bother defending Calix today as I just want to sit and observe which stances others are taking. There have been too many people calling Calix scum for me to defend her, I could literally just be wrong esp. when I was tunneled on a townie all day.
I think rayn is not going to have much of an influence on the lynch because based on what I’ve observed he doesn’t care about influence as much as he cares about coming to conclusions he thinks are right and then holding them forever. This seems to be true even when he’s wrong, like earlier how he half-jokingly called grackaroni 2nd towniest from last game when Pandain voted Vivax with him d1, VE vigged a scum, BC nailed grack and got shot n2 for it, and Pandain & slam correctly identified grack on the final day. So I’m confident if the wagon moves away from Calix rayn will just keep screaming that she is scum ad nauseum. He did this with jock yesterday and then just moved back to Calix when that didn’t pan out.
OTOH he berated HF for not “cleaning up the thread” or whatever and while I think this is a completely self-unaware thing for rayn to say (maybe not self-unaware if he is scum though), I do myself want to see HF take action here and fight for the lynch he thinks is best. Hopefully that should help us read HF more clearly—HF told me to not consider him a town leader yesterday so now I’m forcing him to own it. This takes care of two birds with one stone as I think we should judge rayn on the basis of his reads if that’s the only thing he wants to do, and we should judge HF on the basis of his thread control and what he does with it when there are lynch and conversation control vacuums. Neither of them are slam dunk town reads for me ATM even though HF is probably still my strongest, so my hope is that they will both be solidified reads for me by EOD.
I fully expect Calix, iGrok, BC, and Artanis to fight each other today and I’m wiping my slate entirely clean of every read I have there and am just going to sit back and watch for a while since my presence and involvement has not been helpful thus far, and my reads have been a bit in off-world territory.
Again, if I’m feeling like it I might entertain questions, though I probably will only pop in periodically today as I want to spend more time away from the game to refresh. I’m not in a clear mental state to deal with it atm. I’m also going to hold my vote until I feel like it because I want to see what happens if I am basically completely absent.
Here’s a secret message just for Jock:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 14:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've got another real busy day today so I won't be around much until late tonight (again)/tomorrow.
Everyone should vote artanis. Particularly VE, Koshi, BC and Bugs who all have him as a major scumread. I actually really appreciate your enthusiasm and your observation here so please don’t feel disappointed for my lack of enthusiasm for lynching into Artanis/BC at this very moment. I reread both of them and on an independent basis I found them both rather townish, but as I mentioned I’d rather read them from scratch from today because they’ll have to take harder stances now. Here’s what I observed when I did reread: Both of them have done things I don’t like—BC having a very weird progression on Calix as mentioned multiple times, he and I actually disagreed on this read even though we agreed on ruxxar and both gave Artanis and iGrok temporary passes for most of d1. We also disagree on VE which I find strange because he was happy to vote VE and it’s not clear to me when he started scumreading VE to when he stopped scumreading VE. OTOH I don’t really see major tonal or behavioural differences between what he’s done last game and this game. Artanis is basically only attacking BC, and his reads list has a lot of weirdness, like I think VE — BC — Calix is remotely possible but really incongruent with a lot of events, like Calix encouraging Koshi to vote BC at deadline instead of her, BC scumreading Calix and ruxxar out of the gate, etc. I also think his push on me was very strange and even though he stopped scumreading me it doesn’t seem like he has any interest in interacting with me to strengthen that read, he just put me in a nullpile after saying he was annoyed with my reactions. Why would he be annoyed with my reactions and why would he stop when I’m just null? OTOH on tone I read Artanis townish and my recollection is that he is updating his progressions based on events and his interaction with others seems genuine. That outweighs the weirdness above for me and puts me at about a moderate townlean for Artanis. As an addendum while I townread both of the above, my senses still tingle on VE but any time I mention him he jumps down my throat and assumes the worst. He did this to you, BC, and HF yesterday as well so it wasn’t just me, but I got it the hardest esp. since he actually voted me earlier in the day. I want to see if he’s in a better mood to talk today and if he’s happier to talk and help figure out the game then I’ll be happy too. Maybe you’ll have better luck talking to him because now he can’t get mad at you for being scum
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Went to bed early-ish but upstairs neighbors woke me up multiple times. Headache. -.-
At least the night in game went excellent. 
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Anyway I think VE looks the worst.
He spends a bunch of time talking about how mafia Artanis is. Meanwhile he spends barely any time discussing me. His reasons for scum-reading me aren't reasons at all - it's just ""POE"" and he even claims he thinks I look townie but just less townie than other people.
On May 22 2019 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL
omg ur right this is fun my bad.
Bugs I still PoE Calix, but Conversion dropped in my estimation too so that PoE is weaker. It doesn't make Calix look any BETTER, it just add more Ps to E, making it less likely BY DEFINITION that she's mafia.
I don't have a strong read on Calix, she feels town to me, but not as town as my town reads so she's down in the bowels of my nulls/lynches. It's real simple and I'm trolling you because I never ever ONCE said that Calix wasn't on my radar, at least not that I remember. I have NO idea where you got the idea that my read on her switched.
So why is he voting me, you ask?
On May 23 2019 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think easiest vote. I'm open to suggestions.
Because it's "the easiest vote". Keep in mind DAY 2 HAS JUST STARTED AND HE'S ALREADY TALKING ABOUT 'EASY VOTES' LIKE IT'S EOD.
His scum team is also Thread Sentiment Personified. iGrok, Artanis, Calix. Literally all of these people can get lynched right now.
Scummy as fuck if you ask me.
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mh. easiest can also mean scummiest. but i am not a fan of the wording either.
not entirely sure how ve went from:
On May 22 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 22 2019 23:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 22 2019 23:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia. Why is Artanis coming at me bro? idk. he can keep coming at you and you just have to take it at this point i think.  i promise you i will reread his filter until eon and give my opinion. Plz do so before morning. You claimed today basically ensuring me that you're leaving me here with only Koshi as backup. I will. I admit i havent paid much attention to him after his case on BC and BC's response, but if what you said is right (about you) then i think it looks scummy because he should know better you get angry and basically try to destroy yourself (or them) against people who call you mafia. If what's right? His reasoning for scumreading me? Bro he's been TOWNREADING ME all game until this night phase. Anyway, its fine. Get back with me when you can. Like I told disfo, I dno't think he's a priority tomrorow, but your thoughts are certainly a priority tonight.
On May 22 2019 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Confirmed town:
Jockmcplop
Town:
Holyflare
Conversion
Koshi
Townish:
Raynpelikoneet
Null:
iGrok
wherebugsgo
Scummish:
Calix
VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire:
The Cobbler
AMA. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder. There are a couple of posts after where he rationalizes it, maybe talking himself into it. Maybe it's not as strong as I think, it just seems super convenient to me. Also OMGUS.
On May 22 2019 23:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya okay. I just expected something a bit deeper than "OMG I TRUSTED YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUZORZ" when it seemed obvious to me that I wasn't serious. Felt fake. But I can maybe see him actually thinking I agreed with the case.
to:
On May 23 2019 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
iGrok, Calix, Artanis
That's where I'm landing. I'm not available for questions. If I have to I'll try and stay alive, but I'm basically following the thread and voting what I think.
GG Boys.
also dont like that hes like "not available for questions".
cause id like him to explain the art read progression.
but well.
lets see.
filters i want to hit during 1/3 or 2/3 of this phase: calix, grok, art, bc. prolly ve too now.
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In what world does 'easiest' mean 'scummiest', disformation? Those two words aren't synonymous at all.
And yeah I am gonna expect you to, like, take harder stances this phase if you don't mind. I still have no idea what your read on me even is.
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Easiest means "the lynch I have to fight Koshi the least over that I'm also willing to go on"
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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fair enough.
my read on you to date is pretty much: dont think she's as scummy as some ppl make her out to be and a lot of her interactions (e.g. hf <> calix, me <> calix i think) seem more town to me.
think hf pointed out 2 posts by you i liked too?
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though if hf and you end up being scum after all im prolly town idiot #1 for that xD
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disfo I'm mafiareading Artanis, that's where I'm at currently. I was considering other motivations when I was talking to rayn, but I never landed on a townread.
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On May 23 2019 18:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Easiest means "the lynch I have to fight Koshi the least over that I'm also willing to go on"
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
So banking on the rayn/ Koshi votes to get a mislynch because you won't have to put in the effort yourself.
Gotcha.
My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT.
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Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
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On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Easiest means "the lynch I have to fight Koshi the least over that I'm also willing to go on"
Sorry if that wasn't clear. So banking on the rayn/ Koshi votes to get a mislynch because you won't have to put in the effort yourself. Gotcha. My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT.
I can get behind an iGrok lynch. BC less so.
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On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
Rayn didn't like his EOD posting. Dunno about the other two.
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Conversion occupies a weird place where I think he's town but I'm not super confident and others think he's mafia. His posting seems conveniently timed and I've found him more suspicious recently than I did originally, hence the drop on my list.
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On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Easiest means "the lynch I have to fight Koshi the least over that I'm also willing to go on"
Sorry if that wasn't clear. So banking on the rayn/ Koshi votes to get a mislynch because you won't have to put in the effort yourself. Gotcha. My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT.
What about wbg his townread on BC? WBG being completely wrong?
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On May 23 2019 18:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:48 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 18:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Easiest means "the lynch I have to fight Koshi the least over that I'm also willing to go on"
Sorry if that wasn't clear. So banking on the rayn/ Koshi votes to get a mislynch because you won't have to put in the effort yourself. Gotcha. My head's currently at BC/ iGrok/ VE. Rayn and Koshi might have just gotten lost on their way to the Obs QT. What about wbg his townread on BC? WBG being completely wrong?
Didn't you hear? VE is maf so Bugs okay.
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On May 23 2019 18:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Conversion occupies a weird place where I think he's town but I'm not super confident and others think he's mafia. His posting seems conveniently timed and I've found him more suspicious recently than I did originally, hence the drop on my list.
Vague. Super vague.
Only rayn dropped him for weird EoD shit with iGrok. But people (HF, VE) that think iGrok is mafia shouldnt really take that point into account because would mafia igrok and mafia conversion do programming jokes around EoD on such lighthearthed way??
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I like how Calix completely ignoring the fact that BC conveniently voted to kill me EoD yesterday at a really important time. Makes my vote on her actually MEAN something.
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On May 23 2019 18:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 18:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Conversion occupies a weird place where I think he's town but I'm not super confident and others think he's mafia. His posting seems conveniently timed and I've found him more suspicious recently than I did originally, hence the drop on my list. Vague. Super vague. Only rayn dropped him for weird EoD shit with iGrok. But people (HF, VE) that think iGrok is mafia shouldnt really take that point into account because would mafia igrok and mafia conversion do programming jokes around EoD on such lighthearthed way??
I'm not a programmer and so don't know the mind of a programmer. Maybe it's easier for them to make jokes like that than other kinds. Maybe they're programming jokes because they're uncomfortable and that's where their nerd brains go to comfort themselves. Koshi I don't know, but I am also putting him in a more townie category than iGrok, so....not sure where this is going.
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