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something i dont understand in bc's filter:
On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: BC, on Jock’s post, I don’t remember if it occurred after my post on rayn or before, the one that Calix said they liked (which was 220 IIRC) but basically I agreed with Jock’s assessment.
Comparing to last game and based on what Jock said post-game I think his posts here are within the bands of what I’d expect for a reasonable town adjustment. My read there is not strong but I do think what rayn has said about him is completely wrong. I’d suggest reading the first few pages without filter diving and see what conclusion you come up with. I’m particularly curious if you think town-rayn would come to the same conclusion and whether you think the aggression is real. Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself.
On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. idk what i did except for push my scum read. If you see me and HF as the "same" he does that same thing for different reasons, with less confirmation. I am just trying to get my scumread lynched, if that's what you dislike then.... well whatever. I know you read Jock mafia aswell, i just dont understand how you come up with a different opinion on me atm just because how i did it, and not why. You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with. Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all. tbh i am pretty confused about bc's jock read. he is apparently scum leaning on jocks, but not for the quote he offered up for interpretation. meaning he hasnt explained his jock read at all. kinda would like for bc to resolve the whole stuff around him reading ppl of their interpretation of that jock quote. otherwise i have no idea what some of his reads are like / are coming from.
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On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there.
HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST
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Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
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On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST ?
He asked me a specific question, I'm gonna fucking lose it if people keep calling me scummy for answering direct questions about specific things.
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On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town.
Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me.
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On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO
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On May 20 2019 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad? iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself: On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion. On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here? in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me. So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.
I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
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On May 20 2019 23:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town. Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me. Things Only Town Say for 1000, Alex.
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On May 20 2019 23:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO
Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game.
Its weird.
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On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
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On May 20 2019 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game. Its weird.
Like I was all perfectly willing to drop it. It seemed like a bit of a stretch to relate it to mafia playing. Sure, he could just change the way he posts due to time passing or whatever, but then he immediately starts calling people by name again as soon as I point out the change.
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On May 20 2019 23:28 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there. HEY ARTANIS LOOK AT THIS POST HI JOCK I SEE THE POST THAT WAS MADE 4 MINUTES AGO Notice the phrasing how it changed from earlier just after I mentioned how he changed his posting style since the last game. Its weird.
On May 19 2019 21:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now. Artanis goes in the town bu... ..... *puts his Artanis chit back in his pocket* ...not so fast. I like this post and it says the things I'm saying. But I can't call you town for that just yet. You understand.
On May 19 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 21:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM? ??? Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare). The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend. I disagree with your summation of rayn's play. I mean let me go look at his filter, but it looks like you disliked his entrance and have just been freaking out since, there's no indication that rayn is "obviously around" or "making posts now and again" or "ACTIVELY POSTING" as you say. The crux of your case is an angleshoot based on role PMs and how he entered the thread. And yes, you tried to back it up with a throw-away meta statement. So yes, I'm bored.
On May 19 2019 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 23:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 19 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:emphasis mine On May 19 2019 12:35 iGrok wrote: I am also friendly, and wearing black tie attire On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote: I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.
I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol
##vote: Raynpelikoneet I literally don't even know what this case is supposed to highlight? What makes him mafia? Opportunistic hop onto rayn wagon that contradicts his prior posting. It seemed obvious enough to me... How is it contradictory? As I said in my post DIRECTLY ABOVE that one HF, the first post heavily implies that he thinks rayn is town, that the town vanilla did NOT bother him. Clearly. But then in the second one he says he thinks rayn got host-fucked. It's a clear contradiction, are you really doing this?
On May 20 2019 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Look, I'm going to go point by point on this. Let it be known that I don't have to - thread sentiment is with me, you're under suspicion and not convincing anyone, so this is absolutely for YOUR benefit, Calix, and yours alone. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:19 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid.
I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit. Actually you know what? I am calling bullshit on this. This seems way too convenient. 1)VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, 2)tried diverting to iGrok, 3)claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc. Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit. Emphasis on the acting. I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being. #shamelesstinfoil 1) Yes, I warned you. I warned you all. I know what level rayn is willing to push it to, because I've played a fair amount with rayn. 2) I was explicit in my intentions in this thread - I said I was NOT willing to lynch inside bugs/rayn and that I was opening up my investigation into the rest of the game - that I was going back and rereading the game. And the result of that ended up being my iGrok point. Sure you can disagree with it or think it's weak or whatever you want. But it's consistent with what I've said I was going to put into this thread. 3) More like 1a. I did warn you. Because I've seen it. I made a similar read last game when he (again) got in a shitfight with Bugs in the middle of D1. I'm not "setting anything up with rayn". If anything we're just falling into a rhythm, as we tend to do. Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Dynamic duos: VisceraEyes -Raynpelikoneet 10/13 = 76.9231% And gone up since.. LETS GOOOO VE!! MY BODY IS READY! Now if you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to ask, but I consider this matter closed and your suspicion of me completely assuaged. LITERALLY ALL OF THESE POSTS ARE IN THE STYLE YOU'RE REFERRING TO FROM LAST GAME JOCK
YOU ARE BEING RIDICULOUS
THERE'S EVEN MORE WHERE I'M TALKING DIRECTLY TO RAYN IN MY POSTS
GET THE FUCK OFF ME
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On May 20 2019 22:44 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 22:32 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote: NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you. On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just fucking saying and now you made me angry. Is it possible you're just mad? On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either. i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case? My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that. b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn. aight, fair enough i guess. dont like to meta ppl i havent played with a lot or off games i wasnt involved in. meanwhile: ve/art: can you explain the wbg scumread to me like i'm 3, I didnt quite get it while catching up yesterday. if your read changed in the meantime ill also take an update on that WBG scumread was from this:
On May 19 2019 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote:I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info. I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere. I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front. ##vote wherebugsgo
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JOCK I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO QUOTE WALL MYSELF ONE MORE TIME ON YOUR FUCKING BEHALF.....
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I don't understand how this whole 'name' thing shows mafia motivation, lol.
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On May 20 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: I don't understand how this whole 'name' thing shows mafia motivation, lol.
It doesn't its just weird. HUh, I'm probably wrong.
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On May 20 2019 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote: JOCK I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO QUOTE WALL MYSELF ONE MORE TIME ON YOUR FUCKING BEHALF.....
You forgot to finish your sentence.
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On May 20 2019 23:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town. Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me.
I was pretty open to letting people talk about why they want to kill you but I've decided that there's been enough time and at this point the arguments are getting worse and not better, so I want to funnel the discussion toward other people who are more likely to flip scum d1 than you.
On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
On May 20 2019 19:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote: But you've both stated willingness to lynch Calix? Am I misremembering that too? I'm willing to let other people consider it. I don't have reasons of my own to kill Calix though. Really I want to see if people can come up with decent arguments to kill Calix, or if it's just a push by scum.
Also I think no one actually read this post of mine or it got buried for whatever reason:
On May 20 2019 12:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Then ya I mostly can't help in that regard...I've been almost as absent as you lately. All of the names you listed I have been able to get a read on one way or another in games past or I don't remember playing with them and don't specifically recall if they tended to lurk or not. That their activity in this game is less isn't indicative one way or another to me. my question isn't hinging on past games, I'm asking you to rank them based on their play this game, and based on their play in this game do you think they are lurking/thread skimming/whatever. If you think some number of players fit into that category, however neat, well, or poorly defined that category might be for you, it's important to me esp for day 1 because I think day 1 lynches tend to be very low hit rate and I would rather give a lot of the players in this game time to develop their reads and post enough to reduce the variability that we just hit them on an off day or whatever, especially after we saw what happened last game. Since I feel you're being a bit difficult, I'm going to work out my thoughts for you and put them in a spoiler. If you really think this is a waste of time then go ahead and read the spoiler before responding but I'm trusting you on honor that you'll take my word for it and give your thoughts before getting your opinion tainted by mine. + Show Spoiler + Like just on reputation and posting we've seen so far I wouldn't lynch you, BC, HF, rayn, Artanis, Calix, or Jock today. Of the remaining players at this very moment I'd rule out Koshi because of absence and I don't see anything wrong with Conversion's posts.
That leaves 3 players on my lynch list for d1:
iGrok disformation ruxxar
There is already evidence for iGrok being low on time. Based on what little he's posted so far, this smells exactly the same to me as the Rels lynch from last game. I don't agree on your post about him saying he's "also" friendly because it reads a lot into a single word, and I believe the host business is not alignment indicative. Those are literally the only two pieces of info to go off, so I think moving him from the 25% baseline is not warranted; I'm willing to put him aside along with Koshi.
disformation vs ruxxar, I have a strong preference for killing ruxxar because disformation's posts to some degree indicated attempts at trying to figure out the game. He responded to direct questions and he provided a reasonable interpretation of Jock's posts. There are things that might be fishy in his posts but again, low information content, and to me the information that is there indicates town rather than scum. For ruxxar this is not the case, just refer to my previous post on that matter.
Based on recent thread events I no longer want to consider disformation for a lynch, and I'm not very convinced on conversion either. This just leaves ruxxar, who didn't really respond to things, muddied my credibility by saying that I'm preachy and that I sound like his scum game (and then he disappeared shortly after I asked him to point out this similarity with an example) and has been chainsaw defended for hours despite having done nothing defense-worthy.
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I would probably kill any of HF/Bugs simply for saying I'm not as strongly town as last game.
Get fukt boyz.
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