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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2019 14:34 GMT
#741
On May 20 2019 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
JOCK I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO QUOTE WALL MYSELF ONE MORE TIME ON YOUR FUCKING BEHALF.....


You forgot to finish your sentence.

...........YOU WON'T LIKE IT VERY MUCH I CAN ASSURE YOU!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:37 GMT
#742
VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game.

If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
May 20 2019 14:38 GMT
#743
On May 20 2019 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game.

If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you.


You could say that we need to town confirm each other before we can even start trying solve the game together, right?
RIP Meatloaf <3
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:39 GMT
#744
On May 20 2019 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would probably kill any of HF/Bugs simply for saying I'm not as strongly town as last game.

Get fukt boyz.


VE this is honestly not helping

if you want me to get a stronger town read on you then stop flamebaiting Jock and help restore some order.

Like you of all people should know that this:

On May 20 2019 17:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day One Vote Count

iGrok (2): VisceraEyes, Holyflare
RuXxar (2): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix
Wherebugsgo (1): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes
Calix (1): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet
Jockmcplop (1): Raynpelikoneet
conversion(1): Jockmcplop
Disformation (1): Conversion

Holyflare (0): Conversion

Not voting (3): Koshi, iGrok, Disformation


iGrok is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in




is not a good look ATM.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
May 20 2019 14:39 GMT
#745
On May 20 2019 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
JOCK I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO QUOTE WALL MYSELF ONE MORE TIME ON YOUR FUCKING BEHALF.....


You forgot to finish your sentence.

...........YOU WON'T LIKE IT VERY MUCH I CAN ASSURE YOU!!!


I quite liked it this time I'll be honest.
Although it did kinda prove me wrong and make me look stupid so sorry for being a stupid townie.

At the same time, your posting does seem kinda different to me. I dind't go look that up for no reason, its jsut the only thing I could find. You aren't being as aggressive about trying to get people lynched either. Your in my null pile rn.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 20 2019 14:41 GMT
#746
On May 20 2019 23:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?

I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.

On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw

What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?


iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:

On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.


Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it.
What do you think of conversion?


I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.

I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.


If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.

I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.





On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.

Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric

WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.

On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.

between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.


sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together

I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.



Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Jockmcplop

I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.


I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.

I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:

1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative
2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads.
3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.

Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.

WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?


in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.

So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?


it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.

I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.

##Unvote
Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 20 2019 14:42 GMT
#747
On May 20 2019 23:33 Koshi wrote:
Lets just kill wbg

u have... like a case or something?
most solid mention on wbg in your filter is like:
On May 20 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc.
Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm?

Wbg is playing thread police and pushing the lynch onto a place it should never go.

He claims Calix is mafia but wants to lynch Ruxxar. That is the most retarded thing ever because Ruxxar is only mafia if he decided to hard buss Calix. All other cases he is tip top town.

I should read the player list but lynch should almost always go into Calix or a lurker.

On May 20 2019 20:49 Koshi wrote:
Wbg is probably mafia for pushing me to vote Calix.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:44 GMT
#748
On May 20 2019 23:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE, Jock, Artanis, Calix can you guys stop fighting??? it's not actually getting us closer to solving the game.

If you're all town, then please work with me and each other. I'm about to peace off to bed soon but bring the focus back to ruxxar and disformation where it belongs. My stances are pretty clear, just go read my posts. And, if you have your doubts on me being town at this point then honestly I don't know what to tell you.


You could say that we need to town confirm each other before we can even start trying solve the game together, right?


you could make the argument that people fighting each other like that are more likely to be town, and I would agree, but I think there are much better ways of solving the game that don't involve destroying the thread.

I'm trying to consolidate votes because I think that is the better way. People can't seem to vote together right now (look at the vote count) and the thread-talk is not progressing in a fruitful direction. This kinda sucks to me because actually I think we have a pretty great lynch in ruxxar. I wouldn't mind killing Koshi either especially because it would reduce even more of the thread noise but I doubt I'll get much support for that at this point.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2019 14:44 GMT
#749
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:46 GMT
#750
On May 20 2019 23:42 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:33 Koshi wrote:
Lets just kill wbg

u have... like a case or something?
most solid mention on wbg in your filter is like:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc.
Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm?

Wbg is playing thread police and pushing the lynch onto a place it should never go.

He claims Calix is mafia but wants to lynch Ruxxar. That is the most retarded thing ever because Ruxxar is only mafia if he decided to hard buss Calix. All other cases he is tip top town.

I should read the player list but lynch should almost always go into Calix or a lurker.

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 20:49 Koshi wrote:
Wbg is probably mafia for pushing me to vote Calix.



Come vote ruxxar with me. We can either ignore Koshi or kill him and I think the latter is not happening today. Better to ignore him as he's not in a very explainy mood this game.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
May 20 2019 14:48 GMT
#751
On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.


Nah mate.
That wasn't flamebaiting I jsut got it wrong about that specific element of your posting differently. You seem less aggressive though for real.
RIP Meatloaf <3
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2019 14:48 GMT
#752
Yeah Jock backed right the fuck up off that real quick.

Maybe rayn is right and I'm wrong. :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
May 20 2019 14:49 GMT
#753
On May 20 2019 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah Jock backed right the fuck up off that real quick.

Maybe rayn is right and I'm wrong. :/


Well you literally proved me wrong you want me to keep banging my head on that wall?
Duh
RIP Meatloaf <3
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:50 GMT
#754
On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.


no, you don't, because I'm not jumping to lynch Jock today and you figuring out Jock's alignment on d1 is not the most important thing you could be doing at this very moment.

This is why, even though I do townread you, it's not as strong as I did last game d2, because you're a smart player and a good town player, and in this situation should realize that 1.) a Jock lynch is not happening on d1 when we have much better lynches, 2.) your own judgment is being clouded by him trying to figure out the game in a way that doesn't jive with you, and 3.) the thing we need to do most urgently is bring the thread back to order.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2019 14:50 GMT
#755
On May 20 2019 23:48 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.


Nah mate.
That wasn't flamebaiting I jsut got it wrong about that specific element of your posting differently. You seem less aggressive though for real.

I can assure you this is NOT a mafia trait of mine.

Like obviously you can't take my word for it, but if you thought my town play was aggressive, eek.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 20 2019 14:51 GMT
#756
disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings

who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 20 2019 14:52 GMT
#757
On May 20 2019 23:42 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:33 Koshi wrote:
Lets just kill wbg

u have... like a case or something?
most solid mention on wbg in your filter is like:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
koshi i'm really not getting scum vibes from WBG except for that one early bit where he gave towncred to hf but he kinda backed up on that a bit later iirc.
Is this because you are posting bit by bit as you read the first pages or do you think WBG is sucm?

Wbg is playing thread police and pushing the lynch onto a place it should never go.

He claims Calix is mafia but wants to lynch Ruxxar. That is the most retarded thing ever because Ruxxar is only mafia if he decided to hard buss Calix. All other cases he is tip top town.

I should read the player list but lynch should almost always go into Calix or a lurker.

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 20:49 Koshi wrote:
Wbg is probably mafia for pushing me to vote Calix.


Probably not but I dislike him a lot.
I had a good night of sleep.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 20 2019 14:52 GMT
#758
On May 20 2019 23:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not flamebaiting Jock if anything he's flamebaiting me. He's saying patently untrue things about my filter in a way that I can only assume is malicious given the loads of evidence I provided to the contrary. I have to try and decide if I think he's mafia for it now, which was annoying because I thought he was town before.


no, you don't, because I'm not jumping to lynch Jock today and you figuring out Jock's alignment on d1 is not the most important thing you could be doing at this very moment.

This is why, even though I do townread you, it's not as strong as I did last game d2, because you're a smart player and a good town player, and in this situation should realize that 1.) a Jock lynch is not happening on d1 when we have much better lynches, 2.) your own judgment is being clouded by him trying to figure out the game in a way that doesn't jive with you, and 3.) the thing we need to do most urgently is bring the thread back to order.

Again with this no true scotsman bullshit - just because I'm not agreeing with your consolidation targets doesn't make me less town. Also my judgement isn't clouded, rayn has a case on him I don't wholly DISAGREE with, and him coming in here saying untrue things about me makes his mafia equity SKYROCKET for me. And with rayn on Jock he's just as viable as MY LEADING IGROK wagon at the very least.

So no, I'm not buying this "You're only town if you do what I tell you" bullshit.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 20 2019 14:53 GMT
#759
conversion I support you and would like to invite you to my town circle
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 20 2019 14:53 GMT
#760
On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote:
disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings

who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything?


I shall pose similar questions to you since I don't know your thoughts on many of the players. What other reads do you have that you have SOME confidence in?
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