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On May 20 2019 21:59 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also really don't mind the Calix entry post as much as some people. Can be hard entering a game that's already started when your actual opinions just follow thread sentiment. Echoing it can be useful for people to know where you stand and it didn't feel like she was trying to pass it off as something she came up with. Do you think Calix normally plays differently? That's what koshi is getting at. Are we supposed to expect more?
i think calix meta was to be a fire spewing dragon (and later falling off if mafia). that being said I dont think i have played more than 0-1 games with her so I will not use meta to read her.
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On May 20 2019 21:59 Holyflare wrote:Artanis is falling to the scummy pile 
For not being bothered that much by calix entry?
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On May 20 2019 22:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you. On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just fucking saying and now you made me angry. Is it possible you're just mad? On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either. i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case?
My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that.
b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn.
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On May 20 2019 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:32 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you. On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just fucking saying and now you made me angry. Is it possible you're just mad? On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either. i mean... a) you yourself said that ppl shouldnt meta you on a change of posting style since you mix it up on purpose? b) you could go to the database and dig out town and mafia games of VE and look for yourself if that could be a meta case? My response to a) is that its probably different getting a meta read on someone who's been here for years compared to trying to do the same with someone who's only ever played 3 games of mafia. Of course I'm going to change up my style, I'm doing it deliberately. I would expect someone who's been here for ages to settle in to a posting style and not make weird small changes like that. b) I'm going to do exactly this when I have time but I'm at work so I don't have an hour or two to spare to do that rn.
aight, fair enough i guess.
dont like to meta ppl i havent played with a lot or off games i wasnt involved in.
meanwhile:
ve/art:
can you explain the wbg scumread to me like i'm 3, I didnt quite get it while catching up yesterday. if your read changed in the meantime ill also take an update on that
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On May 20 2019 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
After that post.
Early thread leanings
VE - Town
Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum
Jock - null to scum
Ruxxar - Lean scum
Callix - Scum
Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why.
However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people. What changed between these two posts? This was all that was posted by them in between: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:44 ruXxar wrote:
i dont know jocks meta, but i find it extremely unlikely he is mafia. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:49 ruXxar wrote:On May 20 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not. On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post right here it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:54 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix I don't know what you refer to with 'too certain of [her] opinions' or 'tries to find the best angle to defend them' given that all I've really done so far is sheep people. Which I am going to continue doing for various reasons. On May 20 2019 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying What about that post made you not like Ruxxar? In between, BC also posted this: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying Did he not read RuXxar's post the first time? Why is he suddenly more scummy than Calix?
This is actually interesting. I'm going to have a look at his filter very soon.
I have a theory on why BC changed his opinion on ruxxar but i'm going to let him answer this case before I say anything.
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On May 20 2019 07:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. I want VE and Bugs to comment on this now please.
On May 20 2019 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Come on bugs. Answer what I asked youuuuu
Why do you keep caring so much about this when you don't end up with a strong read on any of the participants? And why just VE and Bugs?
On May 20 2019 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:29 disformation wrote:On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of shit because I want to.
Town reads
VE
HF (god help me)
Mafia reads
Ruxxar
Calix
Disinformation
Null
Everyone else where is jock? or are you withholding that read (i am super curious after you asked everyone to comment on it) until everyone commented on it? -.- Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ?
Where did your disfo scumread come from?
That's all I've got for now. Will get to Jock's VE thing and check WBG's filter to see if my opinion has changed.
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yeah i guess i can look at bc too
status on him was: not sure if I like his style, but him trying to get reads/reactions based on that jack post felt town to me.
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On May 20 2019 22:17 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm starting to think VE is mafia. He's behaving differently to last game in his posting style. Last game he was blue, but the difference is weird. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh no, you don't cut into rayn's sauna time with this Pandain. Let him answer it post-lynch. A non-sauna'd rayn is an unhappy rayn. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But really Bugs, I'm telling you, it's not interesting from that point on. Pandain can feasibly be excused for his posting due to the thread rate at the time. The really telling bit is at the beginning of the game when he was town. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
NO RAYN I DIDN'T
I will though, because I like you. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man rayn fuck is this a MSPaint timeline case?
If it is rather than read it I'd like you to draw it in MSPaint. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Man rayn that's painful. Like all it looks like to me is someone who's not used to playing with you taking umbrage with your playstyle. You didn't like his answers, but he DID answer. I'm definitely not seeing the mafia that you see. If there's something I'm missing, hit me up with it. On May 02 2019 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just fucking saying and now you made me angry. Is it possible you're just mad? Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know what
No.
Pandain.
No.
You don't get to come in here and jizz all over the thread about "trying to lynch the gf" when A) you had literally zero credibility beyond your ability to provide ONE vote, and not even a vote OFF the main wagon. It was a useless vote on Rels that went nowhere and meant nothing, just like the Vivax vote.
In fact, it makes sense to me that the mafia team would be trying to capitalize on a possibly MODKILLED GF.
##Vote: Pandain Notice how he directly addresses people by name when he's talking to them, as if he's trying to cooperatively play the game as part of a town team hunting scum. not a single example of that in this game. Not once. Is that a mafia tell? Dunno, but its a weird change in posting style. Also important... In the last game he did the following thing when he was trying to get people lynched: Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
You should bring your sword and lynch Jock with us. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Join the Pandain Counterwagon of Greatest Glory tm I haven't seen anything like that either.
I see what you're saying in terms of naming people in that way. Quite an interesting point and it seems to be true but I don't put a lot of stock in it. In general, I feel VE's been extremely open in a way that I find hard to attribute to mafia. His quick switch from voting WBG to iGrok also was very unnecessary from a mafia perspective. There was no pressure on him to contribute more, yet he did so anyway. The one thing that moderately concerns me is the amount of time he spends thread policing, but I really can't vote him this game. Why, you ask?
On May 20 2019 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
At least your self awareness of it looks good.
What do you think of Artanis so far?
On May 20 2019 00:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, besides that he's really attractive.
+ Show Spoiler +I think he's town besides that too.
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On May 20 2019 22:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote:While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters  And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO. This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels. [2] Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies? "better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense. You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right?
That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there.
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man I might actually be right here
ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance.
On May 20 2019 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote:While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO. This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels. [2] Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies? "better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense. You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right? That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there.
this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this:
rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment
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I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Show nested quote +Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
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On May 20 2019 23:00 wherebugsgo wrote:man I might actually be right here ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 22:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 22:07 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 22:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote:While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO. This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels. [2] Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies? "better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense. You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right? That's not how I read it and I'm not sure how you got there. this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this: rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment
Of course Calix will say that it was the way HF presents it as it's in her best interests. I don't really see any benefit to that.
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dafuq did I miss. Welcome back Artanis.
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On May 20 2019 23:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
dafuq did I miss. Welcome back Artanis.
Thanks sexy.
Opinions on BC?
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@WBG I'm not assuming she said anything, I was telling her and the thread how it looked to me. I don't really care what she actually meant, her further play will show what she actually meant. I was relaying my own thoughts on the matter, full stop.
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Holup bby I just noticed you're casing him lemme go look for real.
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On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
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On May 20 2019 23:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I can't understand WBG's read progressions. On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad? iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie. Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp. I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game. On May 20 2019 14:06 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out).
Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=JockmcplopI am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here? in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
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anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone.
I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town.
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Ya I'm okay with BC honestly Artanis, the posturing and strawmen you mentioned in your first point about HF and rayn bidness just kinda feels like the way townBC thinks about the game. Trying to draw a line between the way townHF ended up playing last game and the way he's playing this game. Dunno I'm not seein what you see there.
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