On May 19 2019 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ay' i am only a boring town vanilla.
I can only imagine the OP said something about vt being called town vanilla or from what it looks like in FF's post, not at all, and rayn tried to emulate it in some smart mafia ploy but got called out by the hosts.
On May 19 2019 15:04 Fecalfeast wrote: I have been asked multiple questions about VT and I will admit the OP was unclear. The VT role is now listed in the OP and this should fix all questions. The official name for the role in this game is VT.
Any further questions about roles should be answered by some combination of the role list and the FAQ but if not feel free to pm myself or grackaroni
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
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Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
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Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
What do you think about the weird townread WBG made on you?
Its not like anything you have posted would confirm you as town right?
He's correct so either he's mafia or a very astute townie. I tend to assume the people agreeing with me are good so I'm going with the latter until proven otherwise.
I mean, if it was a damning point against rayn then I can only really make that post as town hf. I guess you could argue I'd be mafia hf learning that the host didn't put the words VT in the OP and seeing rayn typing it wrong and then making a fake case against him to put artificial pressure there and shit up the thread but that's entirely way too convoluted and I'd probably (probably) never think to do that as mafia.
It's not out of the realm of possibility bugs is mafia here but I'll see what happens.
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
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Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
One of those is saying you're talking about my alignment and the other is talking about my point about rayn.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
Don't really like the rayn defending in here now. Sure, the points may have been facetious and exaggerated and he may have had that as a "funny" entrance but what has he learnt, where are his reads and what does he think now that he's got 3 votes with people piling on him?
So what if he's mafia?
On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.
This post is just silly because regardless of his alignment or role pm he could have simply just done the same thing without a plan and said the exact same things. Nothing about his alignment changes his response, it's the things he does (or doesn't) do after that do!
I haven't heard the trademark rayn calling me mafia, nor have I really heard ANYTHING. That is why rayn is mafia ladies and gentleman. Case closed.
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
???
Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare).
The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend.
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
???
Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare).
The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend.
I disagree with your summation of rayn's play. I mean let me go look at his filter, but it looks like you disliked his entrance and have just been freaking out since, there's no indication that rayn is "obviously around" or "making posts now and again" or "ACTIVELY POSTING" as you say.
The crux of your case is an angleshoot based on role PMs and how he entered the thread. And yes, you tried to back it up with a throw-away meta statement. So yes, I'm bored.
I mean, you can disagree with the points sure but you can definitely see for yourself that he's around because he's posted on pretty much every page recently and even has posts on this page.
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
???
Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare).
The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend.
I disagree with your summation of rayn's play. I mean let me go look at his filter, but it looks like you disliked his entrance and have just been freaking out since, there's no indication that rayn is "obviously around" or "making posts now and again" or "ACTIVELY POSTING" as you say.
The crux of your case is an angleshoot based on role PMs and how he entered the thread. And yes, you tried to back it up with a throw-away meta statement. So yes, I'm bored.
I mean, you can disagree with the points sure but you can definitely see for yourself that he's around because he's posted on pretty much every page recently and even has posts on this page.
If it wasn't clear:
First points on rayn maybe mean something but unlikely.
ACTUAL points on rayn are the lack of contribution entirely while still being around in the thread.
On May 19 2019 22:15 Holyflare wrote: lol jock is like top tier town at the moment. I like the aggression.
The only thing that bothers me is that he is pretty much saying he is dumb but i dont think he is dumb.
He doesn't say he's dumb, anywhere. He just says that he doesn't really like your response because it's weird (which it was) and THEN he doesn't like your follow up because you've not really done anything to scum hunt, spread suspicion or prove yourself town. Simple.
On May 19 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: emphasis mine
On May 19 2019 12:35 iGrok wrote: I am also friendly, and wearing black tie attire
On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote: I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.
I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol
##vote: Raynpelikoneet
I literally don't even know what this case is supposed to highlight? What makes him mafia?
Opportunistic hop onto rayn wagon that contradicts his prior posting. It seemed obvious enough to me...
How is it contradictory?
As I said in my post DIRECTLY ABOVE that one HF, the first post heavily implies that he thinks rayn is town, that the town vanilla did NOT bother him. Clearly.
But then in the second one he says he thinks rayn got host-fucked.
It's a clear contradiction, are you really doing this?
I don't think it's a clear contradiction in the slightest if you read any kind of context or tone into the post?
On May 19 2019 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you my friend VE?
On May 19 2019 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you my friend VE?
I am your friend. We will rule together. I, too, am vanilla town.
On May 19 2019 12:35 iGrok wrote: I am also friendly, and wearing black tie attire
He doesn't say he's friends with rayn, nor that he town reads rayn in any capacity (and even if he did, he doesn't say anywhere that it would be for his first post at all). It's simply a joke-y entrance following suit with what you've posted.
I don't think it's contradictory to not even think about Rayn's post being a slip into having someone call it out into voting that person, since that's what bugs, myself, jock and calix kind of did (but really it's not for the first post at all).
Don't really know why I'm writing all these words defending iGrok tbh, maybe I just don't like logical inconsistency. You can call him mafia for hopping on the bandwagon for BAD reasons (just SOLELY doing it for the VT post is bad at this stage when people are voting rayn for other reasons).
On May 20 2019 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am simply going to consider anyone who doesn't agree with me mafia right here because this is a fucking 100% slam dunk case.
You don't have the good case that you think you do, you've muddied the meaning of two posts to be about one topic.
He doesn't think you're scummy for the first post, he thinks you're weird and it's interesting you'd even do it.
He thinks you're scummy for your lack of doing anything after.
He then questions why you did the post you did to begin with but doesn't actually say that's the reason he's scum reading you, more that he wants to know why you even did it to begin with.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
You can read Rayn's filter and see "oh look he's posted reads on people" and whatever nonsense rayn keeps repeating like he believes he actually did something this game at the start that was worthy of being town read but when you actually get to the meat and veg of what rayn was posting it's entirely defensive drivel and based off of a defence of himself.
I totally agreed with Jock when he said it.
Now, I may have a different view of rayn because he's actually got a bit of a fire going but that doesn't mean he can't be mafia still. He may just have found something to latch onto that he will aggressively push to the ends of the earth and berate everyone from not seeing how obvious™ it was.
Truth is, Rayn always whines about how he just plays these games to solve it and at the start of it he was doing a whole lot of shit all and not much solving. No interest in doing what he says he always wants to do BUT he was actually present in the thread.
On May 20 2019 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to think Holyfare is in fact mafia too.
No, you're just being dumb or actually mafia and conflating things into a narrative.
No. This one actually is a fucking slam dunk case. I have never been this sure without a check except for the rsoultin mderg not voting for each other case. And the ms paint one. This is top three and this is 100%. You can do whatever you want but he is mafia. I dont care if you, town, or both realise it in this game or after but i am not going to do anything but say this until i am dead or he is lynched.
Your reasons literally don't make a single bit of sense. You were in the thread for a whole lot of time while there was a case on you and you did absolutely shit all up to the point Jock said he scum read you for doing nothing. You were IN THE THREAD DOING NOTHING.
If you think this is a slam dunk case then I can only assume you are mafia and are just going to use it as a massive excuse to whine and afk and berate people for not seeing how obvious it was.
On May 20 2019 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I posted fucking once between his NAI -> scumread and said i thought it was funny which is what he said too lol.
Your opening post being non alignment indicative does not mean your OTHER posts are not alignment indicative.
You have 6 posts total before he calls you a scum read. A fair few of those are posts AFTER I've accused you of being mafia for your opening (of which he eventually finds NAI). So, you've seen a case on you, you're not responding other than with a few word answers and you're not making any conclusions to defend yourself, call someone mafia or solve the game.
I think it's well within his remit to call you mafia for that. I called you mafia for that and you haven't called me mafia, so what makes me any different?
iGrok called you mafia JUST FOR YOUR OPENING POST even though I admitted that was fake-ish pressure (and he posted after I said that!) and I called you mafia for other reasons before then! Why are you not voting him?
Calix just jumped on your bandwagon and called you mafia even though you said you had many content related posts. Why are you not voting her over Jock (yes, I know you DID vote her previously but your Jock post is in no way any less "damning" than any of these other people).
Bugs literally just sheeped me but didn't really allude to what part of it he was actually really sheeping, again, no vote on him.
Soooo what do you want me to think here rayn? That you just let all these people slide and focus on Jock, the guy I think looks by far and large the most townie out of them all?
On May 20 2019 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: He formed an opinion on me always based on what pther people said, never on what i said. This is the truth.
Why does that make anyone mafia????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
like you KNOW KNOW KNOW this is even bull shit, he didn't always change his opinion based on what people said, he went AGAINST my case on your opening post saying it wasn't really alignment indicative
On May 20 2019 06:53 Holyflare wrote: Truth is, Rayn always whines about how he just plays these games to solve it and at the start of it he was doing a whole lot of shit all and not much solving. No interest in doing what he says he always wants to do BUT he was actually present in the thread.
For you, you are right. I was doing a whole lot of nothing. So was everyone else. Except for you, you were shitting up the thread with said nonsense.
No opinions, only facts, and this is a fact. So fuck you.
If you want to berate me personally for presenting facts then so be it. It doesn't make me mafia and it makes you look pathetic. If you agree with the points that you did nothing but were present that's all I need to know and that's primarily why half the game scum read(s) you.
I don't agree with your Jock read and I don't think it's entirely accurate and as solid as you believe it to be. Sorry that that's the case but it is what it is. Let's move on because I don't think it's going to convince anyone else either.
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just thought it would be fun.
Why are we idiots? Literally nobody voted you for that reason and we can't mind read that you decided pre-game that it would be hilarious to write a post 1 minute after the game started.
The only one that actually thinks you're mafia for it is iGrok and you're not voting him and apparently he's not even your top 3 votes after Jock, Calix and I?
On May 20 2019 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: FYI idiots i wrote my psot like 3 hrs before the game started because:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just thought it would be fun.
Why are we idiots? Literally nobody voted you for that reason and we can't mind read that you decided pre-game that it would be hilarious to write a post 1 minute after the game started.
The only one that actually thinks you're mafia for it is iGrok and you're not voting him and apparently he's not even your top 3 votes after Jock, Calix and I?
Then please actually read the thread and tell me why jock and bugs voted for me?
On May 20 2019 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am simply going to consider anyone who doesn't agree with me mafia right here because this is a fucking 100% slam dunk case.
You don't have the good case that you think you do, you've muddied the meaning of two posts to be about one topic.
He doesn't think you're scummy for the first post, he thinks you're weird and it's interesting you'd even do it.
He thinks you're scummy for your lack of doing anything after.
He then questions why you did the post you did to begin with but doesn't actually say that's the reason he's scum reading you, more that he wants to know why you even did it to begin with.
On May 20 2019 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to think Holyfare is in fact mafia too.
No, you're just being dumb or actually mafia and conflating things into a narrative.
No. This one actually is a fucking slam dunk case. I have never been this sure without a check except for the rsoultin mderg not voting for each other case. And the ms paint one. This is top three and this is 100%. You can do whatever you want but he is mafia. I dont care if you, town, or both realise it in this game or after but i am not going to do anything but say this until i am dead or he is lynched.
Your reasons literally don't make a single bit of sense. You were in the thread for a whole lot of time while there was a case on you and you did absolutely shit all up to the point Jock said he scum read you for doing nothing. You were IN THE THREAD DOING NOTHING.
If you think this is a slam dunk case then I can only assume you are mafia and are just going to use it as a massive excuse to whine and afk and berate people for not seeing how obvious it was.
On May 20 2019 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I posted fucking once between his NAI -> scumread and said i thought it was funny which is what he said too lol.
Your opening post being non alignment indicative does not mean your OTHER posts are not alignment indicative.
You have 6 posts total before he calls you a scum read. A fair few of those are posts AFTER I've accused you of being mafia for your opening (of which he eventually finds NAI). So, you've seen a case on you, you're not responding other than with a few word answers and you're not making any conclusions to defend yourself, call someone mafia or solve the game.
I think it's well within his remit to call you mafia for that. I called you mafia for that and you haven't called me mafia, so what makes me any different?
iGrok called you mafia JUST FOR YOUR OPENING POST even though I admitted that was fake-ish pressure (and he posted after I said that!) and I called you mafia for other reasons before then! Why are you not voting him?
Calix just jumped on your bandwagon and called you mafia even though you said you had many content related posts. Why are you not voting her over Jock (yes, I know you DID vote her previously but your Jock post is in no way any less "damning" than any of these other people).
Bugs literally just sheeped me but didn't really allude to what part of it he was actually really sheeping, again, no vote on him.
Soooo what do you want me to think here rayn? That you just let all these people slide and focus on Jock, the guy I think looks by far and large the most townie out of them all?
On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM.
I was hoping someone else would be around
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Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called
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Point to me in the thread where people were sheeping this? Literally only iGrok has voted you for this reason.
Wherebugsgo, voting you for your lack of follow up to it or any kind of fire and passion (sheeping me).
Jock, DEFENDING your opening post but voting you for your lack of follow up or passion (sheeping me).
Calix (sheep).
iGrok, voting you for nonsense <---- currently best vote in the game
On May 20 2019 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: L O fucking L, that's the shittiest case you have ever made HF, and you can't even realise what actually happened because of it. Those people are voting for me because of that shit. I didn't even see FF's clarification of the VT role when i wrote my post you called "Now he's retroactively justifying it :D!!!!!!!!".
This is so factually incorrect it's quite funny. I don't think you're this oblivious to the thread usually so why so ignorant of why people are voting you?
It's pointless arguing with you. I'm just going to put you into an ignore pile and see what happens after your claim. iGrok is the best lynch today imo.
When he returned to the thread there were the following 2-3 points against rayn:
1) Rayn's opening post 2) Rayn's lack of doing anything afterwards and no passion mean rayn is mafia 3) Rayn hasn't tried to solve the game
At this point Jock/HF/Bugs (and calix?? need to double check) are voting for Rayn for reasons that aren't 1) because 1) was a fake case and literally just pressure. iGrok comes and votes Rayn for 1).
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
Unless he's on a plane for the entirety of a 72 hour cycle then I'm sure a few votes on him to get him lynched aren't going to hurt him, are they?
You even agree his post is strange (it's scummy) so what's the problem?
On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to.
Town reads VE HF (god help me)
Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation
Null Everyone else
where is jock? or are you withholding that read (i am super curious after you asked everyone to comment on it) until everyone commented on it? -.-
Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ?
I think that's more a townie mindset? He's not concerned about what your read of him is (something mafia are normally hyper aware of) and is more concerned where you put a figure that people are talking about (Jock). Stuff like that, even if little, leads me to think disfo isn't that bad looking. At least for now, which is extremely superficially atm.
On May 20 2019 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would you kill a townie that wants to lynch mafia?
You know he’s town?
btw I didn’t see anyone else mention this and I’m sad because I wanted a free town read so I’ll just come out and say it myself
VE used activity to paint iGrok scummy based on him being replaced last game but actually iGrok was town last game, replaced by slam. I can’t point out the post now because I’m on mobile but 99.999% sure VE’s post was saying this. Seems like it might have just been an honest mistake but VE is quite sharp
I mean, that's not the reason VE voted or called iGrok scummy in the slightest? He said he didn't like how iGrok called rayn friend for his opening post and then voted rayn for his opening post.
On May 20 2019 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would you kill a townie that wants to lynch mafia?
You know he’s town?
btw I didn’t see anyone else mention this and I’m sad because I wanted a free town read so I’ll just come out and say it myself
VE used activity to paint iGrok scummy based on him being replaced last game but actually iGrok was town last game, replaced by slam. I can’t point out the post now because I’m on mobile but 99.999% sure VE’s post was saying this. Seems like it might have just been an honest mistake but VE is quite sharp
I mean, that's not the reason VE voted or called iGrok scummy in the slightest? He said he didn't like how iGrok called rayn friend for his opening post and then voted rayn for his opening post.
There was a whole discussion about it?
I didn’t say that. I was just pointing out something. Go read my post again, carefully, then go read VE’s posts (probably from the last page?) again. He makes one post to the effect of something like “iGrok replaced out of last game as mafia” and assuming he is talking about the game we all just played, that is not true.
On May 19 2019 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Eeeehhhh....I don't like how iGrok jumped on the rayn wagon. His first post was a jokey response post TO rayn and I about also being friendly - at the time, he didn't seem to be bothered by the way rayn phrased his post. In fact it looks like it's worded in a way that makes it seem like he thinks rayn is town ("i'm also friendly") only to then say he thinks rayn got "fucked by the hosts"
##Vote: iGrok
I like this one better.
I have to check if iGrok is really that terrible as mafia. If it was iamperfection who made that post i 'd vote in a heartbeat.
Well he instareplaced out of the last game as mafia. If viewed from an 'iGrok bad at mafia, but he try this game in penance" perspective it feels pretty good.
It's pretty ambiguous? Does he mean the last time he actually was mafia? Hard to tell, either way seems bit meaningless.
On May 20 2019 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would you kill a townie that wants to lynch mafia?
You know he’s town?
btw I didn’t see anyone else mention this and I’m sad because I wanted a free town read so I’ll just come out and say it myself
VE used activity to paint iGrok scummy based on him being replaced last game but actually iGrok was town last game, replaced by slam. I can’t point out the post now because I’m on mobile but 99.999% sure VE’s post was saying this. Seems like it might have just been an honest mistake but VE is quite sharp
I mean, that's not the reason VE voted or called iGrok scummy in the slightest? He said he didn't like how iGrok called rayn friend for his opening post and then voted rayn for his opening post.
There was a whole discussion about it?
I didn’t say that. I was just pointing out something. Go read my post again, carefully, then go read VE’s posts (probably from the last page?) again. He makes one post to the effect of something like “iGrok replaced out of last game as mafia” and assuming he is talking about the game we all just played, that is not true.
On May 19 2019 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Eeeehhhh....I don't like how iGrok jumped on the rayn wagon. His first post was a jokey response post TO rayn and I about also being friendly - at the time, he didn't seem to be bothered by the way rayn phrased his post. In fact it looks like it's worded in a way that makes it seem like he thinks rayn is town ("i'm also friendly") only to then say he thinks rayn got "fucked by the hosts"
##Vote: iGrok
I like this one better.
I have to check if iGrok is really that terrible as mafia. If it was iamperfection who made that post i 'd vote in a heartbeat.
Well he instareplaced out of the last game as mafia. If viewed from an 'iGrok bad at mafia, but he try this game in penance" perspective it feels pretty good.
It's pretty ambiguous? Does he mean the last time he actually was mafia? Hard to tell, either way seems bit meaningless.
Nvm.
Not sure I like VE' s reentry straight into Jock though.
On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote: If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of:
Calix iGrok Bugs
Then there's just like:
Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????)
probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh
koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list
You had 2 posts.
Don't even think disfo had posted.
What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol?
what’s a bugs2.0?
im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol?
The top 3 had reasons. Bottom 3 just shitters :D
Calix seems manipulative and blendy/sheepy.
Bugs similarly at that point had only really sheeped and complained about being scum read. Since then my opinion on him has changed for the better ever so slightly.
IGrok as stated in vote post, bad reason to vote rayn.
On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote: If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of:
Calix iGrok Bugs
Then there's just like:
Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????)
probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh
koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list
You had 2 posts.
Don't even think disfo had posted.
What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol?
what’s a bugs2.0?
im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol?
The top 3 had reasons. Bottom 3 just shitters :D
Calix seems manipulative and blendy/sheepy.
Bugs similarly at that point had only really sheeped and complained about being scum read. Since then my opinion on him has changed for the better ever so slightly.
IGrok as stated in vote post, bad reason to vote rayn.
HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS! Fucking hypocrites all of you.
I don't really scum read bugs anymore really. I made this list at the same time I stopped pushing you and said I was going to ignore fighting with you because I can see you as town deep down somewhere there's a glimmer of hope.
Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion?
I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.
I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
I think I currently want to lynch Koshi. He's clearly going down the side of buddying rayn which is smart and angling towards sowing discontent which is also smart but I'm not gonna fall for it. I'll see what boring conclusions he comes up with but he's chosen the wrong side of the fence.
On May 20 2019 17:01 Holyflare wrote: I think I currently want to lynch Koshi. He's clearly going down the side of buddying rayn which is smart and angling towards sowing discontent which is also smart but I'm not gonna fall for it. I'll see what boring conclusions he comes up with but he's chosen the wrong side of the fence.
Can you point out specific posts that you feel are trying to sow discontent and how he's doing that please?
Again, I need things explaining to me as if I'm a baby. It makes the game easier to play that way.
He's afraid that rayn will spot he's mafia so he's sided on buddying him. If he's reading the thread it's quite easy to see the points that weren't related to rayn's opening had merit. Everyone can at least agree on that. Apart from Koshi.
Then he's trying to shovel stuff towards bugs/myself etc to sow those seeds of discontent and likely build a platform out of it. What will be most telling (although now he'll just read this post and change what he's doing if he's mafia) is where he ends up on.
I've admitted my rayn stuff was semi fabricated. Bugs has the same stance as Jock (who koshi is now ignoring), calix myself etc. If he sticks to saying bugs and myself look worst then he's stuck in his mafia narrative.
On May 20 2019 17:01 Holyflare wrote: I think I currently want to lynch Koshi. He's clearly going down the side of buddying rayn which is smart and angling towards sowing discontent which is also smart but I'm not gonna fall for it. I'll see what boring conclusions he comes up with but he's chosen the wrong side of the fence.
Can you point out specific posts that you feel are trying to sow discontent and how he's doing that please?
Again, I need things explaining to me as if I'm a baby. It makes the game easier to play that way.
He's afraid that rayn will spot he's mafia so he's sided on buddying him. If he's reading the thread it's quite easy to see the points that weren't related to rayn's opening had merit. Everyone can at least agree on that. Apart from Koshi.
Then he's trying to shovel stuff towards bugs/myself etc to sow those seeds of discontent and likely build a platform out of it. What will be most telling (although now he'll just read this post and change what he's doing if he's mafia) is where he ends up on.
I've admitted my rayn stuff was semi fabricated. Bugs has the same stance as Jock (who koshi is now ignoring), calix myself etc. If he sticks to saying bugs and myself look worst then he's stuck in his mafia narrative.
Isn't this exactly the problem with replying to things form the past without reading what's going on now?
It seems like a tactic designed deliberately to keep the subject of discussion on old irrelevant arguments.
Yeah koshi looks bad. Let's see if he has anything to say that's relevant to the state of the thread as it is now.
I think he MAY do this as town too but it's the sides he's picking and narratives that he's trying to weave that look scummy. You can see he's already altered it when he quotes the VE post responding to me. Suddenly I've gone from maybe mafia to being in the dumb part of town. Then he leaves the added provision that mafia can live in the dumb part of town.
So what conclusion has he actually reached there other than try and pretend to side with me but leave me open for him to call me mafia?
On May 20 2019 17:37 Jockmcplop wrote: Lynching conversion is the smart play here.
Like reading through his filter I can't see a single post where there's a clear town motive. He makes a read but says sorry and its probably wrong like because he hasn't played much.
Later on its 'i'm on phone and lazy'.
He's the third person in the space of a couple of hours to say he's on a plane and can't post. NAI on its own but looks scummy in context. Doesn't come back after. Long plane journey? Can't still post lazily on his phone when he lands/gets home. I mean if you're posting lazily why not just take the 2 seconds to do so.
I don't think any of this is outside town Conversion's range to be honest. Your strongest point is the flakiness. We'll see what he says on his return I think. Don't mind throwing some votes that way though.
On May 20 2019 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock, Calix, disformation.
I dont think ruxxar is mafia. Especially to oeople who havent played with him he always looks scummy purely from how he writes his posts.
How can both wbg and hf be this bad? One has to be mafia riding the bad townies ass right?
I don't know what you're referring to but I never called ruxxar mafia.
That was wbg. You are bad for a million other reasons.
Please elaborate for the class so you don't just get away with doing this over and over again and undermining a not awful townish circle we have going.
This is a solid semi town circle. It's a rocky relationship but I don't think it's bad. Artanis isn't in it because of the way he cleared rayn as if he cleared rayn before rayn even posted knowing what rayn was gonna say.
I'm moving ve out of the town circle. He can still hover around and has potential but the circle is a safe space and this is 3 uncharacteristically misremembered things this game now.
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
##vote wherebugsgo
You are probably really good. Which I find annoying. Also you guys had a really mediocre song and I dont understand the world.
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies?
On May 19 2019 23:32 Calix wrote: While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.
This really just makes it sound like you want to lynch townies. I really don't like the feels.
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies?
"better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right?
I don't think I'm going to reread the pages I've just been skimming through at work to be honest. Being at work is totally demotivating to play this game at.
Thoughts on why my town circle is probably wrong:
VE - appears to just be playing incredibly reactionary and accusatory - jumps at the chance to call whoever is aggro towards him mafia and then flits to the next
bugs - feels very much like he's constantly defending the wrong people for the wrong reasons (igrok - he made a narrative on him being a vet and having different reasons to vote rayn etc)
jock - ehhhhhhhh I dunno, not really read anything he's said content wise in depth but feels a bit too jumpy and like his tunnel is fake?
BC still pretty solid town still though
I also don't like artanis' posts but hey ho not sure that'll change
On May 21 2019 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like you to prove your statement.
VE - appears to just be playing incredibly reactionary and accusatory - jumps at the chance to call whoever is aggro towards him mafia and then flits to the next
Where at all have I jumped at a chance to call whoever is aggro toward me mafia? I'm literally looking at MY OWN FILTER RIGHT NOW, so some clarity would be just super!
Ignore the calls them mafia part but it's the caps lock replies in literally all your replies that make you look overeager at really mundane things. It feels like every time somebody posts anything remotely accusatory to you it's full on caps lock omg no.
On May 21 2019 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It was a wrong one as I illustrated and you not only didn't retract the statement, you're acting like you still believe it. So whatever. Go away then, idc. I'm playing RoR2.
I do actually still believe it. You can't be in my town circle.
On to more relevant things, I've read Conversion's filter and I don't hate it but I don't like it either. It feels like his push on disformation is factually "correct", as in disfo hadn't posted thoughts at the points Conv was calling him out etc but there doesn't seem to be heart in the push. It's like he is artificially promoting the case as the be all and end all as an excuse to do not much else because disfo is obviously mafia. Feels very much like Rayn's Jock case.
Do I have a conclusion on Conv? Mmmmmmmmmm not right now I think.
On May 21 2019 07:16 disformation wrote: im confused by whats going on tbh. yall sound super fucking unmotivated. wish i had more time to sort this shit out, but its getting late already again.
On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
I honestly don't get the disfo hate? Not particularly read his filter but he seems fine? Looks like he has his own take on people that is different and fresh whenever I skim and he seems to have a good grasp of the thread events.
Also calix imo has looked better. These people look like they're trying to solve the game and having a hard time with it.
On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote: Man I forgot about artanis he can go into null to scummy. I actually think he has a good chance of being mafia.
Actually read his filter and it's not that bad. He can go fringe town. Can't remember what his mafia range is but I wouldn't say what he's posted would be out of it. Quite bc centric.
Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet)
Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense.
Because I already had a reason to scum read you and posting the summaries hasn't changed that? If you do good with the work then there's always room to change? Dunno what to tell you buddy.
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote: Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
He kept calling Calix mafia in his post though. Just added you.
But I agree nothing much more was going on.
In a world Ruxxar is allowed to make 1 post every 24 hours it was a high impact post though.
But we're not in that world which is the bad thing. He just drops posts and runs away. What was he planning on achieving with it?
In a world where he's mafia he has to see a lot of thread sentiment against him. He realises he needs to make a bold move and makes a case on me.
I feel like as town he'd be a lot more motivated to figure me out and question why I've just disappeared/become demotivated? It just seems like he's thrown in the bit about hf vs rayn as an excuse to pick alignments for both of us. What about rayn vs hf made me look any different? I was just picking up on inconsistencies and it became a minor shit show. Does he use that info to formulate his read on me? Nah.
On May 21 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote: HF has a high chance to be mafia. Really has.
BC maybe not. Maybe he is a chill guy that trusts wbg to do the leg work.
Mby. He made a shit case he didnt believe on and let other people listen to that and did nothing about it.
Are you actually mafia? How can you be so clueless that you still believe this to be the case?
I made a fake case on you, told everyone it was a fake case and made conclusions on everyone based off of it and even updated my scum read based on your reaction (or lack thereof) to it (+no scum hunting). Subsequently voted igrok off of it.
If you really think I did nothing about it you are actually just mafia.
On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote: Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
Why are you not responding to me
I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation.
I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread
He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum?
He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours.
Sorry what was I supposed to respond to?
I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active?
I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other.
On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote: Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
Why are you not responding to me
I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation.
I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread
He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum?
He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours.
Sorry what was I supposed to respond to?
I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active?
I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other.
Should there be a difference to me when I'm reading between lynch bait and scum?
Yes. You have to put yourself into that person's shoes and see why they've done what they've done. Fake case on rayn because thread was incredibly dead +++ everyone activity. Making conclusions on those people that responded to it and evaluating at every step of the way. Updating reads and being unsure when I have less time to read. That's not really mafia.
If you can't determine between lynch bait and scum then you need to interact with them and get their thoughts and then evaluate. That's the step ruxxar is missing. He's jumped to too many conclusions and assumptions and it's a very surface level case.
On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote: Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
Why are you not responding to me
I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation.
I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread
He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum?
He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours.
Sorry what was I supposed to respond to?
I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active?
I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other.
Are you going to help kill ruxxar??
I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in:
Ruxxar VE rayn Koshi
Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour
I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon.
I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list.
On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard
calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now
Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag
I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime.
On May 21 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote: I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime.
I've read him. His posts aren't scummy but I have the following questions:
Why did you point out that rayn and ruxxar had read calix as scummy and then criticised bc for doing the same and then never really mentioned bc ever again? Looks like you were calling bc scum but never did.
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote: Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point.
On May 21 2019 06:17 ruXxar wrote: And in the process trying to throw as much shade as posdible on artanis
Also, what has rayn done in your eyes that was a gamble that made him obviously town?
Also, why is calix no longer your vote? What posts specifically changed your mind?
I dunno what to tell you bugs but I just don't find those things scummy? Maybe he had to disappear, maybe he found something better and flitted to the next thing on his mind?
I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc?
On May 21 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: My vote is on Calix currently and yes, I intend to move it.
I think this is the second time you've essentially said you're going to move your vote while having it on someone but given no other thoughts as to who?
On May 21 2019 19:35 Calix wrote: Anyway I was writing a rambly-as-fuck reads post because I was tired of constantly doubting myself. In summary, we should lynch into Koshi/ Rayn [don't think both are mafia] or BC/ iGrok and that Conversion/ ruxxar might actually be T/T.
But only one of those is viable...lol. If anyone is up for one of these people, please speak up now.
[not you WBG, I already know you will disagree with me here ]
Anyhow ##unvote.
What has ruxxar posted that makes you town read him?
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote: To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced
I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus.
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote: To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced
Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way.
And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think.
Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read.
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote: To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced
I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus.
The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos. WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh. I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game.
Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change?
On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote: To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings.
To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself.
Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced
Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way.
And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think.
Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read.
i feel like wbg is like one of the few sane persons (if not the only one) in the thread and i don't think his stuff on ruxxar is horrible (like koshi does apparently). though i agree that it is not nearly as strong as he think it is. think one of the posts of wbg asking me to vote ruxxar felt a bit like scum!pandain getting me to vote for town!sent in the themed game. dont think wbg is scum, but the ruxxar vote seems off.
maybe im overthinking shit and I should just sheep wbg for at least making sense unless a ton of other ppl
Nah, I don't have any problem with bugs or him pushing ruxxar. In fact, it's quite a good thing to do. I just want to try and interact with ruxxar a bit and other people around ruxxar first. Don't want to be forced into anything repeatedly. Calix just mimics how I was feeling so it was more about her than bugs.
I think I'd settle on a VE lynch maybe. But it annoys me to do that over people that think it's ok to not play the game. So rayn might be a spite lynch that could hit mafia but ve is an I think is actually mafia but if I'm wrong it would suck.
VE just basically comes back to say look how towny I am, disputes a bunch of shit, says he's not gonna vote who his vote is actually on and is instead gonna sheep, doesn't actually sheep and leaves again.
On May 21 2019 21:15 Holyflare wrote: I could have been an asset last game
yeah but you faked a red check on me. and in obs thread you and rayn both essentially said grack was the towniest town who ever towned
Sorry to say but actually you or me dying d2 was probably the best thing that could've happened for town because otherwise we'd end up having continued that fight into d3/d4 (and we certainly weren't going to lynch Koshi or Grack in your stead on d2). And regardless of my ass reads I'm a bit proud I helped with the VE & BC circle and in the end read Pandain & slam properly, and prevented us from lynching Pandain who eventually was one of the deciders to kill grack.
BTW what's your assetness this game? Have you decided who you want to lynch yet?
On May 21 2019 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing is this Calix thing. There is simply no way Calix considers Holyflare town at the point she does. That always makes her mafia, that, and that only. I don't think she can actually consider me mafia aswell at that point but that's more of a minor point. In one of the last games Calix played, if not last, there was a different parity cop check between me and HF and town (Calix included) chose to NOT vote either of us off (lol) in a no-lylo situation. There should never ever be a world where calix should be that confident of her HF read at the point she came to the thread, regardless of what she thinks about my affiliaton.
I was going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there
But at any rate this read is total garbage given that you came to the exact opposite conclusion on ruxxar and he posted this as his first post:
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar?
On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?
Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?
I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him.
I just did give an example. You were in the very same game.
Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that.
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.
I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.
On May 21 2019 21:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Do you have an actual rationale for why it's within ruxxar's towngame for him to do that and not be scum, and why, according to you, people misread him? Like surely if you expect to convince people of that, who haven't actually played with him, you need some way of laying it out?
Similarly on Calix, since you apparently know her history all so well, why don't you spell it out to me?
I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him.
I just did give an example. You were in the very same game.
Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that.
Eh? I don't recall playing with ruxxar at all.
No, I mean you have played less with me than ruxxar has played with me.
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.
I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.
do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher:
On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Suddenly even happier with my decision.
Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net.
First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture.
I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum.
I'm not mafia by the way.
not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you?
If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?
What's your strategy for finding scum?
Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though.
My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest.
On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote: Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here.
Out of character compared to when I was mafia?
You gonna ignore my previous post?
You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions:
Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie?
Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead.
In addition to that, let's see your reads.
I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious.
#1 priority as town for me is finding scum.
don't even think about skipping any of the questions:
On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote: BC seems town He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.
FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.
VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.
MZ reads town
Can't read HF
Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.
I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment.
Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me.
I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance.
On May 21 2019 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look HF, do you really think i am a reasonable lynch today?
I never said you were? I said you'd be a dumb lynch but not an awful one just because you are being an obstinate twat. I think you look more towny recently if anything.
On May 21 2019 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look HF, do you really think i am a reasonable lynch today?
I never said you were? I said you'd be a dumb lynch but not an awful one just because you are being an obstinate twat. I think you look more towny recently if anything.
and once again you let the thread go on and on for like 20 pages after i have claimed to be a parity cop. I am not sure you do this as town HF, regardless of how i act (i worked for 48h past 3 days, slept mby 3 hrs / night, i was literally just sleeping all yesterday after work -- stupid bugs case). You let dumbass shit fly in the thread too much. Shit that you dont consider relevant or shit that's just shit, and i don't like it.
You literally said you fake claimed.
You literally make this accusation every game "why hasn't hf stopped this stupid shit? He must be mafia" same shit different day.
You're not a baby you can stop your own fights rather than relying on me. I don't think any pressure on you is bad in the slightest either so it could be the worst accusation I've ever seen on you and I simply won't stop it because you've decided to rely on a case nobody agreed on and afkd.
I haven't even been around. This is a very very poor accusation and you don't even come to a conclusion.
On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly.
On May 19 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote: rayn
I just don't like anything you posted so far.
Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message.
You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words?
Is that your idea of fun rayn?
IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN???
May I suggest you try dropping acid or something.
On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?
Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.
Yes I will do that now.
The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla
The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there.
It doesn't make sense and is stupid.
At that point in the thread nothing else had happened.
I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen.
Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it.
On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly.
On May 19 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote: rayn
I just don't like anything you posted so far.
Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message.
You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words?
Is that your idea of fun rayn?
IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN???
May I suggest you try dropping acid or something.
On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?
Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.
Yes I will do that now.
The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla
The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there.
It doesn't make sense and is stupid.
At that point in the thread nothing else had happened.
I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen.
Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it.
Oh so you voted him for his claim???
Why did you say it was for his other posts and not the claim? I'm pretty sure you backed this up afterwards saying it wasn't for the claim too.
On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly.
On May 19 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote: rayn
I just don't like anything you posted so far.
Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message.
You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words?
Is that your idea of fun rayn?
IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN???
May I suggest you try dropping acid or something.
On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?
Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.
Yes I will do that now.
The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla
The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there.
It doesn't make sense and is stupid.
At that point in the thread nothing else had happened.
I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen.
Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it.
Oh so you voted him for his claim???
Why did you say it was for his other posts and not the claim? I'm pretty sure you backed this up afterwards saying it wasn't for the claim too.
On May 21 2019 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock if you ever want me to consider you town you need to explain what you meant with the red parts in these posts thoroughly.
On May 19 2019 21:13 Jockmcplop wrote: ##vote: rayn
I just don't like anything you posted so far.
Lets go over your reasoning for posting that first message.
You thought it would be fun, rather than posting something relevant that makes sense, to post your role but write it wrong by copypasting a previous message and then changing the order of the words?
Is that your idea of fun rayn?
IS THIS HOW YOU HAVE FUN???
May I suggest you try dropping acid or something.
On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment.
He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af.
Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM?
I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right?
Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now.
Yes I will do that now.
The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla
The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there.
It doesn't make sense and is stupid.
At that point in the thread nothing else had happened.
I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen.
Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it.
On May 20 2019 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote: The worst part of that Jock post is that he's calling rayn mafia by doing exactly what he told rayn was scummy about him fmp. He says rayn does nothing but come in and bitch about how people are playing, but complains about how rayn is playing.
I did miss that iGrok was town last game for whatever reason I though iGrok was replaced by Vivax who got modkilled, but it was a simultaneous thing iGrok replaced when Vivax was unjustly modkilled. Honest mistake, but it doesn't change my read of this game. Just makes the throwaway meta part of it inaccurate.
"Bitch about how people are playing"
No VE, you're wrong my friend
I was saying that his responses were scummy because rather than trying to find scum he decided not to do so in those early posts. What you're saying here is fundamentally untrue. I was actually TOTALLY calling rayn out on being scum. I wasn't bitching about how people are playing, whereas rayn literally just called a few people stupid and nothing else.
So was it his responses after the fact and lack of scum hunting or his first post and pressure?
Can anyone else offer an explanation? Jock has commented on rayn's accusations saying his vote was actually on rayn for pressure and because of the wording of his first post.
It turns out when he justified himself against rayn's case earlier then he said it was actually for rayn's lack of scum hunting ans NOT the first post.
On May 22 2019 00:08 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm done with this shit.
Seriously.
Is my post wrong?
The fact that you look at my responses to rayn - which means that you are also looking at rayns posts, and out of the two you decide i am mafia... .
yes, very, very wrong.
Explain how it is wrong.
I can't even be bothered. Maybe you're right in that there was some inconsistency.
Have you ever seen a 10 or so page filter with no inconsistencies in it? If you have you are looking at a mafia filter.
Seriously though this is my last post think what you want vote for whoever you want I find this game far too stressful for it to be even remotely good for me to continue playing it.
I have but there's always an explanation for it. This is quite a big one though. Surely you know why you actually voted rayn at the start of the game??
On May 22 2019 00:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Theoretically more had happened by the time rayn case came out, so Jock could have ineloquently meant that his read evolved?
His top post was like 30 minutes ago and it didn't mention anything about voting rayn based on his lack of scum hunting.
On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Just so you guys are in no doubt:
I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it. So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong.
This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead.
Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health.
Just so you know I take mental health very seriously so if you've lied about this and are actually mafia I will feel disgusted with you that you used this. I don't want you to feel bad and I just genuinely want an answer because I enjoy playing with you.
For real, anxiety and depression affects a lot of people in my life and even myself and it's a touchy subject that people have used before as an appeal to emotion. I just wanted the one thing explaining so sorry if that created undue stress, I truly didn't mean that.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
Probably the single worst thing I've seen in this thread to date.
We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok.
Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to.
No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit.
My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia.
Stick around and we'll figure it out together at least? Would like to try, this game seems fine.
We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok.
Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to.
No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit.
My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia.
Stick around and we'll figure it out together at least? Would like to try, this game seems fine.
I say fine but I don't even know why I typed that. Meant it seems fun and actually hard to solve who is mafia. So that's some logic to work out!
Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote: Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.
Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?
Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?
Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong.
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote: Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.
Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?
Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?
Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.
its actually pretty funny HF
I'd rather call everyone mafia multiple times than none at all :D
On May 22 2019 01:47 Holyflare wrote: Igrok are you going to expand on your post about me or just sit in the thread whittling down your limited hours? Not seen any real conclusion about anything.
Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1?
Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia?
Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think.
why though? have you read my posts on him? koshi also had one.
On May 22 2019 00:31 disformation wrote: why no bc? hard to follow reads. fell off super hard after first half of this cycle. currently basically fear voting ve.
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On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.
Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR
I just think I prefer my tone read to whatever these posts say. I definitely don't want to write him off as blindly town but it's vastly different from what I've experienced when he is mafia.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong.
The specific things I think you did that were good were: VE was aggroing me early, you attacked his reasoning but agreed with his conclusion. that reads as townie to me.
Mostly everything else you've done is flip back and forth on people. Rayne, me, ve, calix, rux, jock, back to ve/rayne. And usually when you switch targets its when there looks like there is some momentum building against that person.
This is so surface level. What reasoning did I use to jump on these people when it was opportune that you did not like or that was not my own original thought?
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good.
Which?
Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,
Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good.
Which?
Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,
Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
Why are these not points about me???
Are these even key points? It'sa summary of posts?
We lynch iGrok imo. Dude just came back made a list post of literally summary with no conclusion or reasons on why anyone is mafia. Never backed up his read on me or had any posts to prove what he was saying and conveniently went on calix (the biggest wagon iirc? At least in thread sentiment wise) and then fucked off again. He says I'm mafia for hopping in with sentiment and then literally did just that with calix.
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D
Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D
Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?
I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.
I don't care about anyone else.
Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.
But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.
Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?
On May 22 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: But Calix first, i dont know who else is mafia. Maybe Holyflare. disfo looks better and iGrok i am not sure is scum anymore. well gn
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?
First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?
Come on.
Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".
But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D
Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?
I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.
I don't care about anyone else.
Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.
But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.
Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?
I don't disagree it was inconsistent.
I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.
I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.
[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]
Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?
Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?
So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Can you just drop rayn for like 2 god damn seconds and talk about your feelings on iGrok? He's posted accusations at you and you haven't really acknowledged his existence despite being your mafia read.
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
No, I don't want you to cite every single one. I want you to come up with an example of a person that was gaining momentum where I specifically decided to flip my read on to lynching that person and joined their wagon. Right now all you've given is a generalisation and no evidence.
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
So I am mafia because I called the following people mafia when sentiment was building up on them:
Rayn WHO I CREATED THE SENTIMENT AGAINST AND EVERYONE SHEEPED ME LOL.
Off to a great start.
VE I didn't call mafia for going aggro on you. I simply said his case on you had no merit and went on about my day.
You. lol. I called you mafia against sentiment (because everyone defended you AND nobody other than ve voting for you). I don't care if we're on the same target, you voted rayn for a fake case and not for the actual good reasons even though those good reasons already existed.
I never EVER EVER EVER called calix mafia for her bad opening post. Ever.
Ruxxar because he opportunistically went against me, as explained. Didn't fit with a thought process at all.
Jock was a logical inconsistency, as soon as he posted about mental health i backed the fuck away because he obviously became townie. Should I have ignored this inconsistency that he himself even agreed with?
Rest is garbo.
You're definitely mafia. Half of this existed early game when you had absolutely no problem with me even.
I don't care if bc gets lynched but please look at this igrok post he just made and come to a conclusion on it. He seems to believe i followed sentiment on calling rayn mafia (lol)
Can anyone seriously piece together "hf only votes and calls people mafia with sentiment" with me attacking rayn or calling igrok mafia for voting rayn? Or pointing out inconsistencies with jock like he says?
On May 22 2019 05:30 disformation wrote: yeah the ruxxar post he is referring to is the good post by ruxxar on bc you can see in art's case on bc. aight hf imma make a tea and look at the grok post again
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good.
Which?
Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,
Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that". is that really a post scum makes? and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...
The problem we've had is that we're struggling to find mafia because every time we talk to each other we appear townie to each other (yeah there's some fighting but the circular argument comes back every time). iGrok on the other hand just exists and has posted ...... wrong things all the time. His initial vote on rayn bypassed all of the actual reasoning to vote rayn (he still doesn't even know what that is apparently!), his return after that long hiatus was literally just a summary. Now, he's gone straight for myself and calix and his points on calix don't make anyone mafia and his points on me had to be forced out of him and he couldn't even make it up correctly!
He's the missing puzzle piece people have been struggling to find.
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote: @HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play
What am I supposed to say to this? You literally just used you calling rayn mafia and me scum reading you for it as a reason to scum read me:
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself?
On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote: It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why
like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry.
i mean look at that post:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that". is that really a post scum makes? and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...
Uh, he kinda HAS to make that post after you literally called him out for it. What else could he say to that?
Note to self. This looks like mafia talking to convince a townie.
No, it doesn't.
If you're going to be an annoying tit and sit in a corner making a tantrum that somebody is mafia and wah wah over and over again it's best to just make a post explaining it and leave the thread. You're extremely boring and repetitive. It's not a good look for you.
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.
Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.
But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?
If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.
If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.
If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.
Are you with me?
Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?
You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.
Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.
On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote: It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why
like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry.
i mean look at that post:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that". is that really a post scum makes? and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...
Uh, he kinda HAS to make that post after you literally called him out for it. What else could he say to that?
Note to self. This looks like mafia talking to convince a townie.
No, it doesn't.
If you're going to be an annoying tit and sit in a corner making a tantrum that somebody is mafia and wah wah over and over again it's best to just make a post explaining it and leave the thread. You're extremely boring and repetitive. It's not a good look for you.
On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix
My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3.
This list is incredibly shit by the way.
BC is being voted and cased by artanis and disformation, they not likely to be together. Bad additions.
I am and have been campaigning for igrok the entirety of the game, yet we're on a list together.
Calix opened by calling me super town. Either I'm town and she's mafia or we're both town. No mafia sticks their neck out to town read me that early, it's silly. Bad to have us both in a list.
Disfo and artanis look like they're solving the game and disfo especially looks like he's full of indecision.
On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix
My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3.
This list is incredibly shit by the way.
BC is being voted and cased by artanis and disformation, they not likely to be together. Bad additions.
I am and have been campaigning for igrok the entirety of the game, yet we're on a list together.
Calix opened by calling me super town. Either I'm town and she's mafia or we're both town. No mafia sticks their neck out to town read me that early, it's silly. Bad to have us both in a list.
Disfo and artanis look like they're solving the game and disfo especially looks like he's full of indecision.
Calix doesn't look bad at all.
U bad
No, I just have the game sense to realise that this list can't ever be correct. Guess we're on different levels like that.
On May 22 2019 07:17 Calix wrote: Koshi really needs a vig shot. His posts are literal trash and he's just being distracting. He's not doing ANYTHING helpful right now even though he thinks we're going to mislynch, lol?
I don't think this makes him mafia, just a baddie.
On May 22 2019 07:17 Calix wrote: Koshi really needs a vig shot. His posts are literal trash and he's just being distracting. He's not doing ANYTHING helpful right now even though he thinks we're going to mislynch, lol?
I don't think this makes him mafia, just a baddie.
Gieb 6 names for mafia pls. We will see.
Why would I give 6 names?
hf jock ve artanis
---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (not ordered)
rayn disfo calix koshi bc bugs
------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not
ruxxar conversion
---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.
I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.
What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
So I am mafia because I called the following people mafia when sentiment was building up on them:
Rayn WHO I CREATED THE SENTIMENT AGAINST AND EVERYONE SHEEPED ME LOL.
Off to a great start.
VE I didn't call mafia for going aggro on you. I simply said his case on you had no merit and went on about my day.
You. lol. I called you mafia against sentiment (because everyone defended you AND nobody other than ve voting for you). I don't care if we're on the same target, you voted rayn for a fake case and not for the actual good reasons even though those good reasons already existed.
I never EVER EVER EVER called calix mafia for her bad opening post. Ever.
Ruxxar because he opportunistically went against me, as explained. Didn't fit with a thought process at all.
Jock was a logical inconsistency, as soon as he posted about mental health i backed the fuck away because he obviously became townie. Should I have ignored this inconsistency that he himself even agreed with?
Rest is garbo.
You're definitely mafia. Half of this existed early game when you had absolutely no problem with me even.
On May 22 2019 05:32 Holyflare wrote: Can anyone seriously piece together "hf only votes and calls people mafia with sentiment" with me attacking rayn or calling igrok mafia for voting rayn? Or pointing out inconsistencies with jock like he says?
the rayn thing is super ultra obviously not true. being the 2nd one on grok also doesnt look like sentiment. like nothing even happened after that. you pointing out the inconsistencies of jock might have timingwise correlated or caused sentiment to form against jock (too lazy to double check rn), but everyone fucked off for obvious reasons anyways.
otherwise you only like briefly voted calix and now are back on grok. i also dont mind your interaction with calix for what it is worth. so looking at voting alone i have to agree that this seems super untrue.
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself?
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.
Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.
But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?
If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.
If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.
If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.
Are you with me?
Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?
You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.
Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good.
Which?
Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,
Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.
I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair
The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.
Please play. Fun to have you around. Have you read since you left?
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
She is mafia and this is how she is as mafia. She is a pleasant and smart person as town.
I don't know how you took that away from this post but what I took away was iGrok saying he's trying to figure out the game while simultaneously having a fake dichotomy between calix and myself and never doing much else.
If he's town why does he get his points proven wrong and not go "hmmm better reread that maybe I'm wrong." He just sticks with the incorrect narrative and ignores it because that is more simple to push his mafia agenda of this fake pondering.
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.
I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair
The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.
JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you.
BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.
I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.
What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm
read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else.
The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting.
Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all.
On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote: That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.
Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing.
Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here?
Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean.
On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.
On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time.
I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair
The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with.
JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you.
BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective
On May 22 2019 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse.
I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help.
What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm
read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else.
The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting.
Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all.
On May 22 2019 15:27 Holyflare wrote: That's fine. Please read igrok and then my points about him.
Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing.
Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here?
Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean.
On May 22 2019 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Yo bugs. I'll lynch Ruxxar now. If you want. *shrug*
On May 22 2019 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean we're secure in a lynch now, like you wanted. But like...I could maybe lynch ruxx. You're right, the resistance was real.
On May 22 2019 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Only if you stop calling me mafia though, and stop freaking the fuck out.
Then I'll switch my vote.
On May 22 2019 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Also if ruxxar flips town I’m killing anyone who townread him
omg then you can fuck yourself I'll just kill MY scumread. LOL
I don't really know where he ever says his calix vote is fake, nor do I care.
If his rayn vote is fake and you know it was fake, why does he use it as a reason to scum read me in his case as if it were real?
I liked VE's deadline posts.
Here's the "I unvoted Calix" thing, iGrok doesn't say it was a fake vote:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.
Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.
But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?
If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.
If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.
If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.
Are you with me?
Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?
You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.
Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.
I unvoted on Calix when disinfo pointed out the logic. And alright, dumb town is harsh? but I still don't like jumping across so many accusation focuses so early.
But he never put this vote in the vote thread and never mentioned that he didn't do that (unlike the rayn one) and the only reason I even noticed this is because I knew from the vote thread that iGrok technically never voted until his first and final vote on you. I only wanted to point out that iGrok said his rayn vote was fake, but he never said that his Calix vote was fake, and I find that weird. I'd like him to explain this, actually.
Anyway, I don't know if they mean anything in terms of iGrok's alignment. Like from some weird perspective I could imagine he wanted to see reactions to him "voting" rayn in thread but didn't want to place a real vote because it was just for reaction fishing? No idea.
I think him reaching the conclusion on you being scum because he thinks one out of you three of ruxxar/HF/Calix is scum is pretty pants-on-head. Like this assertion is so blatant that I don't think he'd do it as scum, it draws too much attention. It's just that he tried to logic and then failed to consider whether you and Calix are both just town and you had a moment where you waffled on the read or whatever.
Too scummy to be scum, don't do that. It's much more simple that he's just mafia.
Do you know why he thinks calix is scummy in the first place? I'll quote it for you. Does this make sense to you?
On May 22 2019 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i really want to call iGrok town for that post hahahah ;D So good.
Which?
Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs,
Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
On May 22 2019 16:50 Koshi wrote: Imagine hf is town and a pleasant person to play with. 😱😱
Still town.
Can you at least talk about igrok from the perspective I'm town? Don't really care if you don't believe it. Do you think he's reached his points in a natutal way? The only reason you seem to think he's town is because of his targets and not anything else.
At least 50% of the 2 people he thinks are mafia are town (me) but why does he think I'm mafia to begin with? Can you explain that?
I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially?
Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy
bc point doesn't mean anything?
ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy?
agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good??????
conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol??????
The way these points are written, if iGrok is town, they come off more like iGrok had a gut read of Calix being scum and then confirmation biased himself further, if he saw anything at all scummy beyond the first two things.
Like "basic post easy to make if less experienced scum" -> sounds like a data point fit to an already held conclusion, whereas ruxxar made a very similar beginning post and yet iGrok thought that post was fine.
From a town-iGrok perspective the first two bullets (basic post + sheeping) are basically thread sentiment/easy primers and Calix is/was an easy scum read.
So, you read the above and think he has points on why calix is mafia right?
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
So, disformation comes in and says "they both unlikely to be mafia if one voted for the other!" and igrok goes omg you're right only one of them must be mafia but then ditches his calix is mafia read (the biggest wagon in the game!) because .... He wants to figure out the game? But he still calls calix mafia between me and herself too all the while! Why does she stop being mafia for this post that blatantly appeals to emotion when he has tangible points that he said make her mafia? It's all unflipped association nonsense. Why was I the mafia when he decided to vote calix out of both of us at that point??
Furthermore, he says he scum read ruxxar but conveniently when the wagon came up he found any excuse he could to not be on it and even switched his read. He spent the next 20 of his posts explaining logic with conversion between 3 people who were not up for lynch, threw his vote into a wagon with just himself and then berated you after the lynch despite doing nothing himself to stop it.
On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote: fuck you bugs, you know I was right
I still don't even know why he calls me mafia. More specifically I don't know why nobody has called him out on his read "hf has called everyone mafia and thus must be mafia" because I do that in every game and nobody has corrected him. Do that and he's forced to reevaluate and not be stuck in this fake narrative.
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote: Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.
plz lynch
##vote raynpelikoneet
team is probably rayn/koshi "
How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?
How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.
I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...
Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?
What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?
Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia.
I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that.
incorrect.
first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia.
second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?
This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D
Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything.
I don't think VE's deadline looks as bad as you think it does. You essentially bullied him to voting with you. Seems natural progression to me. Your point is largely meta that you don't think he'd normally do that and I don't have that meta so can only look at what I see at face value.
I think I might have to relent on calix being mafia. Don't think the igrok progression looks good. Might also explain why a mafia igrok has to arbitrarily say one of me or calix is mafia with bad reasons and why he essentially scum reads her for bad points - because it's not a natural scum read.
Can everyone please comment on igrok and stop ignoring him. Read his points on me and see if you agree with them. If you think they're all fabricated why has he not updated it when told he's wrong?
On May 22 2019 19:54 disformation wrote: bleh. -.-
On May 22 2019 19:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.
Ah you’re here for only two hours right? So this is my only chance
Two things I’d like you to explain:
1. If BC and VE are scum why was BC willing to help me push VE? And why would VE say that BC was buddying me/not actually believing in the case on VE himself if they’re both scum?
2. Why would either Calix or VE vote BC at EOD when igrok reached the lead? They seemed far more into killing iGrok than BC
3. Where is disformation?
i am here. though tired and at work.
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop
Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi
Townish: Raynpelikoneet
Null: iGrok wherebugsgo
Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire: The Cobbler
AMA.
bc: totes scum calix, ve: totes scum for saying they like the case but refusing to vote disfo: only guy to vote totes scum and only other guy to at least try to get ppl to vote bc: *insert tumbleweed gif*
not sure if that makes you scum, but I feel kinda insulted -.-
Sorry buddy <3 wanting to lynch the Cobbler with me earns you townpoints, but I literally don't remember a single other thing you've really done this game. It kinda feels like you're being a cheerleader. Can you point me to some of your original thoughts this game?
I can. He pointed out ruxxar post on bc that was really good.
No, that was me.
At least it's not in your filter before disformation said it. You might have called the same post good but that doesn't mean anything if you don't point out why it is good and it isn't even good apparently since you're not really scumreading BC over other people like HF.
Anyways i don't really think iGrok is mafia, the eod was super weird and i dont really think it comes from mafia.
Ah, thanks for the follow up iGrok.
Are you mafia or just becoming bad? What's townie about scum reading ruxxar until the wagon actually forms on him, not voting calix anymore when she becomes in the lead but still scum reading her! Berating town for lynching ruxxar after the fact and voting me who he said would never get lynched today?
That's ignoring all his points on me being lies even!
On May 22 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like why doesnt he just vote for ruxxar if he scumreads ruxxar lol?
Because he knows he's town??
What is this reasoning even? :o
There's like 3 votes on each wagon or some shit. You even think calix is mafia so this is even more pertinent to you.
He has ruxxar as a scum read, me as a scum read and calix as a scum read and magically decides to reread just ruxxar (nobody else) when he gains traction.
Calix his top scum read Ruxxar his other scum read Me his other top scum read
Now he says ruxxar is town because he was pushing me (which always existed) so now he's left with his vote on calix and no traction on me and he always always says he couldn't get me lynched.
He unvoted calix, making her NO LONGER the leading wagon. Why? It's his top scum read. He even says it's his top scum read while unvoting her.
He can't ever vote ruxxar because essentially the last thing ruxxar did was case his other top scum read (me). He'd look fucking awful.
So why does he vote me and not calix rayn? Calix still should be his scum read, even more so now that ruxxar flipped town.
I will lynch him though, mark my words. Tomorrow is igrok day. If he can't come up with anything new other than calix and hf even though his calix points essentially are he's calling calix mafia for her entry post and his posts on me are all bs lies then he can die.
On May 22 2019 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote: hold on VE let me get something straight
1. you don't believe Calix is mafia (or have you come to agree with rayn/koshi/whoever here?) 2. you don't believe BC is mafia 3. you don't believe I am mafia. 4. you believe iGrok is mafia. 5. you believe artanis could be mafia...?
pretty sure we're up to that point, right?
I actually agree with basically all of these reads though I'm waffly on both #4 and #5.
Got any other scumreads?
Koshi is town to you?
This is fucking retarded. ALL of those reads are in my filter, literally all of them, except somehow you got that I don't believe Calix is mafia. The one changed read changes your view of me? All of a sudden I'm worthy of talking to and not trolling?
Just leave me alone. Keep playing like a person and not something that lives under a bridge and we can start discussing this game again.
I've tried to discuss things with you all game and you've consistently been pissy for no reason. Once I threaten to kill you for your takes that are completely incongruent with thread facts you seem to really perk up though.
Just answer my question. I don't actually think you can believe iGrok and Calix are mafia at the same time here though. Feel free to make up a reason why that is or isn't the case, though.
Do you mean specifically ve or everyone? I think it's more likely calix is if igrok is personally.
On May 23 2019 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He even called out iGrok for not voing into Calix/ruxxar and last thing i remember he was on calix' throat and ended up voting off wagon himself. I know we are EU and maybe he just went to bed and "there was a chance iGrok is getting lynched" but i dont maybe believe it.
This is patently false even. Like incredibly false. Not even the slightest bit true.
On May 23 2019 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He even called out iGrok for not voing into Calix/ruxxar and last thing i remember he was on calix' throat and ended up voting off wagon himself. I know we are EU and maybe he just went to bed and "there was a chance iGrok is getting lynched" but i dont maybe believe it.
This is patently false even. Like incredibly false. Not even the slightest bit true.
Like just read page 8 onwards in my filter and feel bad for even saying this fake news.
On May 23 2019 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe just biased and bad. should see calix is mafia. i dont like the "we kill igrok and then i will listen to you if he is town".
The bolded are words you've just invented again. I never said that and don't think he'll ever flip town.
On May 23 2019 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe just biased and bad. should see calix is mafia. i dont like the "we kill igrok and then i will listen to you if he is town".
The bolded are words you've just invented again. I never said that and don't think he'll ever flip town.
yeah but that's what most likey is gonna happen. one of koshi/rayn will die. you lynch igrok. he flips town. other of koshi/rayn will die. you make up some bs all of those dicksuckers will believe, or if youre town you change your mind for some bs reason, and noone is lynchig calix. true story. that scenario ends bad regardless of your affiliation.
That's not what most likely is going to happen. If he's town it's quite simple for him to you know, acknowledge that all his points on me are wrong and make a new read. Does anyone think that will happen though? No, because he's mafia. You can't even say it's tunneling because he literally doesn't call into context any further posts or information ever. His scum read on calix is still because of her first post essentially!
And this is just dodging the original point that you lied about what I said. Why did you do that? I'm not forcing you to lynch him and I'm not holding a gun to your head. I'm simply asking you if you'd do the courtesy of lynching my scum read tomorrow because I think I have solid evidence.
On June 14 2018 07:21 TheSlenderMan wrote: Holyflare -- D1 you say this: "Tells people to stop trolling, presumably to instead play the game but then does nothing whatsoever to actually contribute. Then comes back 12 hours later to say nothing and afk and only just say palmar's read is weird.
plz lynch
##vote raynpelikoneet
team is probably rayn/koshi "
How is your own D1 any better by your own standards, before you start commenting on fuba?
How is my day 1 better? What? I made a solid case on rayn before he started playing and then half way(!) through day 1 at a max 5 pages of thread I began hunting fuba. How is my play different? Probably because there's no trolling and all investigation.
I havent trolled at any point in this game and you made cases on 2 townies and tunneled like a dumb person. And your case on me was shit as fuck. So yeah...
Mate. Reading comprehension. Where do I say you were trolling?
What was i doing before my third post if not trolling if i am mafia?
Can you reread the summary? Other people were trolling, you told them to stop, you did nothing to contribute. That was the case. Nothing more. Nothing about you trolling. It wasn't a bad case for 5 pages into the thread and was half serious and half pressure. I didn't like your contributions so continued to vote you. Partly because I didn't really give a shit to do anything else and partly because I didn't think your content was great. When everyone and their mother started hard defending you I decided to back off and look into them. Today, when you actually start posting content and reasons for your reads you look a lot better. When you play afk and post trash about grack/superbia and kelsier being town when they posted 0 things and don't talk to ke then I'm going to think you're mafia.
I don't play by analysing specific points and sticking to them. I play by conversations and reevaluation after that.
incorrect.
first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia.
second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you?
This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D
Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything.
You should read this rayn. You have the memory of a goldfish because its exactly the same :D
On May 23 2019 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you're the reason i lost almost all interest in this game. If it wasn't for Koshi and VE i wouldn't even be posting anymore. I know it's half-a-shitty-thing to say because you're not responsible for other people's actions but you should have cut the shit off earlier and be more of a town leader when you were listened to. I thought you would do that.
On May 23 2019 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: It's hard not to get salty. I've tried to chit chat with HF several times this game and I get met with fucking nothing. And holyflare apologizing to rayn for rayn calling him stupid over and over.
I need to rethink how I approach Holyflare.
I'm at work and skim the thread. Just quote things at me if you want responses.
I don't intentionally ignore I just have bursts of limited free time so fast skim for things I dislike and point them out. On the train home now though if you wanna chat?
On May 23 2019 08:33 Jockmcplop wrote: HF is pretending like lynching iGrock will make everything fall into place but I don't think that's true at all, I think he just wants rid of iGrock.
Has igrok commented on anything I've brought up about him in the last 48 hours? He's definitely been in the thread.
Just look at the way people interact in here. They come in, dump their thoughts, have a conversation and reevaluate and make new reads. Even rayn with his tunnel on you has reevaluated. Compare this to igrok who hasn't actually delineated his thoughts once since ruxxar flipped. We don't know if he still scum reads calix and I or anything (hint: he absolutely will double down on me).
Even artanis who you think is scummy also does the same thing and talks about his reads.
On May 23 2019 14:06 Holyflare wrote: Just look at the way people interact in here. They come in, dump their thoughts, have a conversation and reevaluate and make new reads. Even rayn with his tunnel on you has reevaluated. Compare this to igrok who hasn't actually delineated his thoughts once since ruxxar flipped. We don't know if he still scum reads calix and I or anything (hint: he absolutely will double down on me).
Even artanis who you think is scummy also does the same thing and talks about his reads.
This may be a lie. All I actually remember him talking about is bc and maybe bugs.
On May 22 2019 07:17 Calix wrote: Koshi really needs a vig shot. His posts are literal trash and he's just being distracting. He's not doing ANYTHING helpful right now even though he thinks we're going to mislynch, lol?
I don't think this makes him mafia, just a baddie.
Gieb 6 names for mafia pls. We will see.
Why would I give 6 names?
hf jock ve artanis
---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (not ordered)
rayn disfo calix koshi bc bugs
------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not
ruxxar conversion
---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is
igrok
List still rings kind of true. Think I'll update to this:
hf jock ve Rayn
---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (ordered)
koshi Disfo
-- new tier below townie sparks but above maybe mafia --
Bc bugs Artanis
------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not
Calix conversion
---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is
Do you know how many people have taken a definitive defensive stance on igrok for no reason? I do.
Bugs/bc - igrok is a vet so he votes for rayn (now igroks vote was fake). Igrok is just afk don't vote him even though what he's done is scummy. Changed now to minorly scum read him but no passion.
Calix - full on scum read at deadline, doesn't want to vote ruxxar over igrok who is blatantly scummy. Igrok appeals to her and she drops it in the blink of an eye. Not to mention igrok saving her but scum reading her. Either they're partners or he did some social engineering saying he was unvoting her. Either way it makes him mafia here.
Koshi - defended igrok but still had him in his list, not voting him but still saying he's scummy
You - seem to think he's scummy but we won't learn anything but why do you think he's scummy but also myself and artanis are scummy? Like you said, he's all I've pushed
Artanis - I don't think he's taken a stance on igrok as far as I remember which is really reallllyyyy bad
Rayn - just doing his own thing. Think he said town read or some shit but he seems super nonchalant about it
Ve - said igrok scummy, would vote eventually
Disfo - got the dirt on igrok and hopeful he will vote but voted not igrok at the end of the day. Dunno if I blame him
Conv - would rather talk about logic with igrok and meta about koshi than game solving or giving a read on igrok
So, no, talking about igrok isn't all I'm doing. I collect all the information I need around igrok for after his flip. I also have been narrowing down my town pool all night because that's how you find mafia. To you it might look like "igrok did x, y, z" but to me it's "oh he said something that I'm agreeing with, move him up in the arbitrary town list" and as you can see my read list has shifted overnight.
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote: My mafia team is still Calix BC Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix.
And I still think HF is mafia. For real.
I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok.
iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu.
I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure.
This is so bs. There's been like 8 people defending igrok and not even scum reading him. YOU scum read him and then you don't anymore in your list for what reason that has changed?
It's like pulling teeth to lynch the scummiest behaving person I've seen in a long long time. That's crazy.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis
This is the most untrue thing I've read in my life. You have to be mafia defending igrok.
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Literally posted this pages ago =\
Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Literally posted this pages ago =\
Why does he do this if he still scum reads calix after it? Why unvote calix?
Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him?
Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them.
Because:
A) he still scum reads calix from what he said afterwards B) he let his town read die because of it C) he afkd a vote on a wagon he himself said had no way of happening
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.
I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.
I'm like 99.99% sure I do not ever engage you directly unless you engage me first, unless I'm doing some D1 lynch holyflare that never gets traction. I'll attempt to eat a shoe and probably fail if I'm wrong, but a quick filter into past games confirm that
That's what I meant. I felt like you'd be more convicted on this lynch hf shtick after obs last game. Like I said, really a stretch.
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision.
The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched).
So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself.
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.
I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.
I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！
I think you're pretty tunnelled
WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right?
I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all?
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game.
This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean?
My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around.
I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！
I think you're pretty tunnelled
WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right?
I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all?
On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly.
Within the game it will be different because I have free time on a weekend. Which is the same as every game. Although last game I was buying a house so it was similar the whole time.
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.
Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.
On May 24 2019 01:25 Jockmcplop wrote: Just to be clear I won't use that in game (in character??) because that would suck this was more a general accusation that you're lying and trying to make me think I'm not seeing what I'm seeing
Nah I knew what you meant I was just genuinely curious whether I'd be town read if I wasn't me or not.
Good example of me as mafia (and bugs actually before he replaced. Reminds me of his range now so I'll look at him this game because he's really good too). More importantly the fallout post game and mafia qt is just the best.
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision.
The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched).
So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself.
this is a really bad answer tbh.
I mean it's really not because that is quite literally what happened so either I'm a liar and mafia or it's the truth.
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 23 2019 16:57 Jockmcplop wrote: My other question would be: Can you see how that interaction with artanis looks weird???
There's like 2 seconds between you scumreading and then townreading him and he only comes up in one more post that you make before the end of night 1 and that was to townread him again....
HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird.
I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision.
The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched).
So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself.
this is a really bad answer tbh.
I mean it's really not because that is quite literally what happened so either I'm a liar and mafia or it's the truth.
So why aren't you calling me mafia?
I do not doubt it's what happened but you dont give any reasoning to what he asks.
I dont know if it makes you mafia.
He seemed fine with it? If you want me to answer why I specifically don't interact with Artanis again it's because he was a town read-ish and hadn't really been in the thread posting anything specific that I had qualms with.
On February 14 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote: Also conversion. Robot conversion was super impressive.
Hmmm I'm reading my old games to stroke my ego a bit and saw this in Vendee where Conversion was like on point with his emotions and posts. I'm seeing that this game (I mean, other than the explosion) and it's super refreshing. So, thanks again Conv for keeping it up. Your posts look structured and well thought out and I'm removing you from a mafia read.
On May 24 2019 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you just answered a question "why did HF read Artanis blabla so strongly at this point?" with "yeah i did".......
That wasn't the question at all, my friend! It was "why did HF switch so quickly? Is this a normal interaction" to which I, as I understand it, answered quite proficiently seeing as the original question provider was placated by that response!
I do not know why this line of questioning is relevant but I'm happy you're participating, friend!
On May 24 2019 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote: If he made it up I'm more impressed than anything else.
Why? Fucking anyone can daydream man, I once imagined a time when I had sex with 3 girls at once! It doesn't make me impressive, just kinda a freak!
I just went through the database and unless it happened after 21st September 2018 then I don't think it ever existed. Not a game where we were both mafia like that?
On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote: artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason.
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh
he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now
On May 24 2019 03:18 Jockmcplop wrote: If he made it up I'm more impressed than anything else.
Why? Fucking anyone can daydream man, I once imagined a time when I had sex with 3 girls at once! It doesn't make me impressive, just kinda a freak!
I just went through the database and unless it happened after 21st September 2018 then I don't think it ever existed. Not a game where we were both mafia like that?
Ya I believe you, I want to hear from rayn now. This is bullshit, like it's fine if he can remember the game and it wasn't you or whatever, but his whole read of her is based on YOU being in that game.
I don't think his vote hinges on that. Just that Calix should know way better than to town read me like that early in the game if she was town because she knows what I'm capable of as mafia.
I don't hate that read but it's very old and I think her later posts kind of make up for that. I could also see how she would town read me as town too, so that helps. The only thing that would be read weirdly to me is the fact it was "hf is town so I'll sheep him!" which read a bit TOO sure. That's what rayn is getting at really.
On May 23 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Between Artanis and BC I dont know who is more mafia. Artanis became really underwhelming, while BC made the worst post and vote in the game.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis
also in no situation do I ever see scum!BC blowing up like that and saying he'll trade 1:1 for scum!Artanis, and scum!Artanis backing off like that
Also what is with all the people that would be coming under fire today just vanishing with excuses?
Honestly, the more Bugs posts the worse he looks imo. He is a very VERY strong mafia player and it just looks like his excuses are becoming more and more about avoiding the thread than any kind of being busy.
Calix, similarly, made an afk excuse I think?
iGrok although he said he'd be busy till Friday so I await his inevitable return with calling me mafia.
On May 24 2019 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: the point is calix couldnt tell the difference bteween our town/mafia play on D3 or smth, now she can tell hf is town (i genuinely think she can call me mafia at that point because sassy or wtfever) not even 24h into D1.
On May 23 2019 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: We've been in this same situation for like five times and you always never learn and i always think "is he really town? why does he do this over and over again as town?". Being able to convince people of bullshit is an useful trait in mafia, but not always should be used to its full potential.
People don't always learn rayn. That doesn't make her mafia.
right, i am not calling HF 100% town or mafia though.
I mean there was that game you called me 100% town and I was mafia though :D
On May 24 2019 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote: It sounded like Calix was all about lynching into you guys though, that makes her a savvy player. Why didn't town do you recall?
I think I forced them to vote outside the claims and then bugs shot their only chance of mislynching me (nkd vivax for some reason).
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
I think the only world where Koshi is mafia is if he's with bugs or something because otherwise I don't think he'd have the motivation to play like last game. Maybe.
On May 24 2019 06:23 Holyflare wrote: Don't expect much from me, I'm only going to be trying my best.
you could like start to comment on my stuff on grok/art/c0bbler and staph lurking
Your stuff on grok is what I've already said really? It's part of the case I was making at least. Goes from saying you and ruxxar scummy but has no reasons for it. Actually even says I have good logic for voting him when he voted rayn but then uses that as a reason to scum read me later.
Every time someone posts the bc case my eyes glaze over because it's just 1 line followed by an ugly quote chain. Please explain with spoilered quotes and more words.
Artanis I can't remember what you said but I presume it's what conv brought up about his weird bc is angry (when bc never was afaik) read into scum reading bugs sort of.
I'll get to properly read it all someday, sorry :D
On May 24 2019 06:34 Calix wrote: I've added like 2 pages to my filter so far this day cycle and almost every single post had content in it and pushed on scum-reads.
And this is despite working a ridiculous number of hours.
But apparently I am "lurking" and "making AFK excuses" because I am "demotivated mafia".
Fuck off. Be thankful I even have this many posts.
iGrok is studying 12 hours a day and he's still lurking demotivated mafia
On May 24 2019 07:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Given that you had a hand in molding his Mafia game. What is it that makes you so certain he is more town than not? Asking because I find reading him a clusterfuck -_-
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies.
iGrok began the game with the scummiest vote in the game to date. Do you remember why rayn was voted? Initially, for a fake case that led to actual scum reads being formed on his lack of response. After that was established and the initial votes were outlined to be purely pressure and not actually a case against rayn shortly after iGrok entered with:
On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote: I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it.
I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol
##vote: Raynpelikoneet
This has later been stated to be a "fake vote"
On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote: @HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play
But what did iGrok achieve with his fake vote?
HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good
The only thing we ever see related to his fake claim is in fact him saying my logic for voting him was good. Literally the only thing in the thread gained from the "joke vote" that garnered way more conversation than just me talking about it.
He makes literally 2 summaries on VE and myself:
On May 21 2019 15:03 iGrok wrote: Right now (~1/3 of the way through), mapping relationships and noting key moments.
Shorthand on key moments from them - Conversion hasn't really said shit yet (remember, this isn't all the way caught up yet):
Conv jokingly lynch HF
HF Rayn is Mafia rayn is passive, therefore is mafia HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good keeps hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though i'm not in the thread. honestly i'm an easy target because I've publicly stated I won't be in the thread Calix is scummy
VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Technically 3 because Conversion has 1 line. But then he wants Disfo and Rux lynched?
On May 21 2019 15:46 iGrok wrote: still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched.
On May 21 2019 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: iGrok you said
still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched.
but wrote "thoughts" on people who are not disfo or ruxxar, before and after this post. and nothing on disfo & ruxxar.
Frankly nothing that disinfo wrote stands out. I still don't have a single thing written down under "key moments" for them. Could be bored town, could be afk mafia, no idea.
I think bugs made a pretty good case on rux in #1096.
Also, I previously said to review #682 for rux. I meant to type #862, but it was 1am and I misread my own notes. Apologies.
That they literally post boring things? No key moments? Could be bored town or afk mafia but he wants to lynch them?? So why, after he's posted 1 line about Conversion does he not feature in this random list of bs?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
No key moments for Ruxxar but he has a 1 in this hidden list of who knows what? For post 862 which is ????? Is Ruxxar mafia with no key moments but also because he's boring but also because bugs said so in a case against ruxxar at some point? This is inconsistent already.
Mid D1
Calix read:
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good - Not scummy? -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum it's just basic, why is that alignment specific??? Furthermore, a lot of Calix's few points highlight how townie she finds Jock - which iGrok scum reads me for scum reading Jock later so it's not even like he disagrees with this post stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons not scummy Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy makes no conclusion? Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad why is this scummy??? BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? not sure what this even means but if it's referring to bc defending igrok then that's a perfectly valid point for calix to raise
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
Just a summary but I broke it down quite well before. I'll add red above to show. The problem with iGrok's posts is he makes absolutely no valid conclusion to ANY of his posts. He posts a summary, with the conclusion above it but the conclusion doesn't add up with the highlighted summary posts in the slightest?
Later he re-summarises why he scum reads Calix but he only added these points:
Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr
Ruxxar is maybe not scum (which iGrok actually ends up AGREEING WITH and petitioning against later in the thread (really loosely). Lots of true points about Rayn. How are ANY of these points adding up to Calix being MORE mafia than before? This is especially the case when he just randomly threw my name into being mafia and then essentially wrote a "case" for Calix and not me.
The same happens with me when I essentially have to force him to commit to a read on me:
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
HF turn on Jock was based on an inconsistency that was dropped immediately when Jock appeared frustrated yet he is saying I ONLY started it when he became demotivated which is simply not the case. What is wrong with pushing an inconsistency anyway? Apparently it's only ever to gain momentum with me. So I pushed him to clarify and this is what he said:
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
I called him out on this and he complained:
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
but he finally did it after I forced him:
On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.
Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.
Don't be dumb, guys.
Notice especially the bold. Remember his earlier posts??
HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good
He's using what he town read me for to now add to his scum read. My question was "who did I push when it looked like momentum was going for them?" His response was:
Rayn: I STARTED the momentum against him!!!!!!!
Himself: He AGREED with the logic I used and like, wtf, why do I care about when someone is afk and why would that stop me voting him?
Calix out on her opening post NEVER EVER EVER happened. Ever.
Ruxxar because I already explained, it was opportunistic etc. Lots of posts on it already, certainly no MOMENTUM against ruxxar that I was taking advantage of, just posting what I thought was scummy.
Jock did not start to feel upset and then I took advantage, never happened. I found an inconsistency and then he started to feel bad and I stopped pressuring him completely when I realised the mistake and he explained.
Back to VE and rayn????? ????????????? never??????? VE briefly for like 1/2 a second until his next post but I never forced that read or tried to gain momentum for that lynch
It's all fabricated. Disformation also goes through it and confirms but he never updates that read at all, ever. I'm still mafia to him as far as I'm aware like 5 days later.
Late D1
His reads are essentially myself or Calix. I BRIEFLY said Calix was mafia and never voted her which is apparently a next level play if we're both mafia or something but disfo points it out that me going for an easy lynch on Calix means it's unlikely we're mafia together iGrok has a revelation:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
Why does he have to decide if Calix is mafia and I'm dumb town or vice versa. If mafia never votes each other in that situation like he says and he has a big scum read on Calix for (I don't really even know why) then why am I not just town voting on mafia? This is a false dichotomy. Note the language. DUMB town. Why would it be DUMB town to vote on HIS MAFIA READ. It's quite literally the worst adjective to use in this situation:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.
Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.
But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?
If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.
If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.
If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.
Are you with me?
Nothing explains why he used the word DUMB town. It should simply be town voting his mafia read but he specifically included that word, imo by mistake. He's trying to downplay it quite conveniently in case it all goes wrong. "Oh, hf was just a dumb town voting calix after all, how was I supposed to know when he played like mafia?".
Now, the meat and potatoes of it all, his voting!!
On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
Not voting (1): iGrok Calix is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This is during the chain of events where disfo is saying calix and I can't be mafia together:
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.
##unvote calix while processing
This has already put Calix in the lead.
There's a lot of back and forth between me and him arguing points while this is what he's saying to Calix:
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Calix is putting words in his mouth, manipulating his statements.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
He still fucking reads BOTH me and Calix mafia but only one of us is!!!!!!! Why isn't he trying to figure out any of this shit????
Then he goes on to make some "this is why I think holyflare over RUXXAR" who literally just gained votes and I can't even comprehend the logic stuff he uses. He went through Ruxxar's filter, determined he was town then used a logic puzzle to theorise that if there's mafia between calix, ruxxar or hf then hf has to be scum because the others wouldn't bus. Ok, it's absolutely terrible logic because doesn't assume he could be wrong on any of us WHICH HE ACKNOWLEDGES HE'S ALREADY WRONG ON AT LEAST ONE.
HE DECIDES I'M THEN SCUMMY BUT STILL SAYS WE'RE BOTH SCUMMY:
On May 22 2019 10:41 iGrok wrote: Lol, Calix and HF on "INDEPENDENT TERMS" are red.
The weakest of those assertions is the Calix/HF one, because HF switched off calix fairly quickly. Why you're attacking the ruxx/hf assertion doesn't make sense. In your words, "Come the fuck on".
Ruxxar's filter is filled with brief periods of activity which go like this: "I'm back, here's a quick summary, some filler posts, bye". H's acting like a dude who doesn't have a whole lot of time to put into writing up stuff, but he is clearly reading based on his quotes in his posts. Not everyone spams like You, HF, Koshi, or VE.
So why the fuck did he end up voting me!!!!!!!!!!
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
He legitimately spends from 2:16 BST to 3:16 BST AN ENTIRE HOUR talking about logic and NOT DEFENDING RUXXAR OR MAKING A COUNTER WAGON TO STOP HIM DYING even though he logiced that ruxxar MUST be town out of the three of me/calix and votes for me over calix!
then berates bugs for the lynch!
On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote: fuck you bugs, you know I was right
He's posted nothing of note but excuses, little side comments and afking since this post almost 2 real life days ago. Where's his head at? Why not a single update? No vote? Demotivation from no nk? Who knows.
TL;DR
His early game reads are inconsistent at best. Ruxxar and disformation appear out of nowhere but even those reads don't add up. Missing other players that have done the exact same things (Conversion).
His Ruxxar read is reportedly mafia OR bored town for being boring and doing nothing but he has actual points on Ruxxar and says bugs case against ruxxar was good. So, it's not just that ruxxar was boring is it?
His Calix read and all of his reads really, are just summaries. Nothing he says about Calix adds up to a scum read, especially the strong one he has. He adds points later to Calix that are actually things he agrees with Calix on so why does it get STRONGER after he adds those????
His read on me is so unbelievably incorrect. When questioned I forced him to provide examples and he got called out for them being wrong but when proven wrong he ignores it and still pushes the incorrect logic.
He unvoted Calix when disfo said why did hf vote calix if they're both mafia like it was some revelation (but I didn't really even ever vote her so we both could easily be mafia??) but he never really summarises this correctly.
He unvoted Calix but still called her mafia, said he would never be able to lynch me, suddenly town read Ruxxar when he was up for lynch and instead of trying to stop the wagon he argued about logic of why I was mafia out of the 3 for an hour and berated bugs for ruxxar dying and being town when he did nothing to stop it and even saved his scum read in the process.
He's afkd forever (allegedly will change from Friday on so excited to see what fire he brings that isn't myself or Calix).
Result:
[red]Mafia[red]
Please vote, lynch with fire. Alternatively, give him till Friday when he returns and quiz the shit out of him then realise your mistake and lynch him anyway.
Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This is the vote count by the way just before igrok votes me and conversion then votes ruxxar a lot later.
Calix was at 2 votes, ruxxar 4 (but ruxxar wasn't voting Calix). If iGrok voted for his scum read, Calix and ruxxar voted to save himself all it would have taken was either 1 voter to hop on or 1 to switch and ruxxar is safe.
Not once did iGrok care about that but then he still berated town afterwards for lynching Ruxxar? That's a big stretch there.
On May 24 2019 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote: HF see my last post and 2565 and get back to me. Before you ask though, I fully intend to remain a pretty passive observer for the next 24-36 hours even though I've now tried to influence the lynch. Also curious to know what you think of rayn and koshi here, because I still haven't really bothered to read them and am curious where their votes will land by EOD.
Also I felt a lot of deja vu reading your response to Jock and me calling you out for surface level things last game. I realized I was getting very close to calling you scum yesterday for the exact same reasons I called you scum last game (and I believe you noted this during the night, you know the post I'm talking about even if I don't point it out explicitly), and then I held my tongue because of the way you actually agreed with my assessment but flipped town anyway LOL.
I have literally no idea what your little game is in those two posts but I don't think I really care either? I'm just going to put the effort in to people's filters and figure this out for myself now that I have the time.
Half the people in the game are literally afk and leaving it stale, you included really.
Disfo/Conversion/Jock are like MVPs for today and I don't think I'd ever vote them for the rest of the game. Chuck VE in there too and they are my new town circle. Everyone else is fair game in my books now. Starting a clean slate.
Is it some old vet thing to for some reason not play open handed and actually reveal your reads or some shit? Seems like really bad practice to me, just say what you mean and we'd all be in a better place.
On May 24 2019 17:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't hate the artanis pressure but why is there no igrok pressure?
There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort.
Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored?
Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote: Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense.
##vote HF
So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry.
????
HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in reads
Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] +
Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?
Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.
HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?
HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!
Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.
Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that.
But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia?
Points to take away from this:
He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler +
BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE.
On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean?
NAI = not alignment indicative
Where’s your vote landing today?
None until I finish reading the thread.
VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
No VE. Nowhere.
The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch.
Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town." That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock.
A big long day of pressure on iGrock is what you're going to get.
So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it?
He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though.
On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote: Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense.
##vote HF
So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry.
????
HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in reads
Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] +
Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?
Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.
HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?
HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!
Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.
Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that.
But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia?
Points to take away from this:
He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler +
BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE.
On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean?
NAI = not alignment indicative
Where’s your vote landing today?
None until I finish reading the thread.
VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
No VE. Nowhere.
The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote: Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense.
##vote HF
So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry.
????
HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in reads
Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] +
Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit?
Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read.
HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest?
HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!!
Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia.
Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that.
But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia?
Points to take away from this:
He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread.
VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE
Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler +
BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE.
On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote:
On May 21 2019 15:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 21 2019 15:05 iGrok wrote: Also, "NAI" is a new acronym to me, what does that mean?
NAI = not alignment indicative
Where’s your vote landing today?
None until I finish reading the thread.
VE caught something that no one else did (publicly).
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
No VE. Nowhere.
The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this.
Do you KNOW what the best part about this case is? The fact he doesn't scum read VE in the early game reads list quoted here but has points from d1 VE highlighted red means he either:
A) Changed this read on VE between those 2 posts but never said B) Has just colour coded things after the fact
But do you know what's more hilarious? The fact that he's posting this screenshot NOW as proof that he's updating the reads means HE TOOK THIS SCREENSHOT AT LEAST BEFORE HIS READS LIST OF HF, CALIX, RUX, ARTANIS, BC SO IT'S ALREADY A PREPREPARED SCREENSHOT.
On May 24 2019 19:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Artanis is good seeing you dog I'm sorry you can't be as active as others this game.
Are you mafia?
It hurts me to hear you ask this
Oh no it doesn't you get out.
Like I know how inactive as town you can be and it's worse this game than that.
Also the points against you are salient.
Don't act all hurt bbyboi, you should be happy that someone in this town cares to look.
You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray.
Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them.
How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here?
On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
Disfo my dearest friend.
Is it believable that hf is so prudent of Artanis his alignment? Based on his filter.
(You dont need to reread filter. Just base it on your feelds)
I got townie feels from Artanis at several parts of the game which I have never got from iGrok, ever. Do you understand how people get treated differently based on what they do or do not do?
On May 24 2019 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Ok, please just filter him, make your own conclusion and THEN read my case after you've made your conclusion so you're not coloured with one view.
I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia.
Disfo my dearest friend.
Is it believable that hf is so prudent of Artanis his alignment? Based on his filter.
(You dont need to reread filter. Just base it on your feelds)
not fully sure on art myself. so it kinda makes sense that some other town dude also struggles with reading art. and the thread indeed moves 10 pages a second. and unlike grok, art always does _something_ when hes here. though not sure why hf says arts stuff isnt awful, eg arts n1 stuff looked very rushed and as i stated last page if found the waffle off bc a bit strange.
I mean comparatively. Having a bad meta on BC and his read on bugs being shit is BAD but not nearly as awful as having 2 reads the entire game that don't make sense and getting caught out posting screenshots from early in the game that don't align with what you've said as evidence you're doing stuff now
I don't know what Koshi's angle is here though. Is he trying to lynch Artanis over iGrok but not actually commenting on anything iGrok says even though iGrok used to be in Koshi's list and vanished for no reason?
On May 24 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote: I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared.
I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix.
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote: Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..
I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.
Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid. I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...
I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.
On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote: Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad..
I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it.
Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid. I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar...
I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet.
You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'.
You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can.
Why shouldn't I be paranoid?
It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time.
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.
I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.
In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote: IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.
I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...
I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.
It's not just LOGICALLY correct it's identical to that case you made in that one game ages ago where you had to draw a picture of a timeline and confirmed them mafia.
On May 24 2019 20:53 Holyflare wrote: Can some Artanis specialist like disfo explain Artanis' read on bugs in some brief timeline like manner and where he stands on bugs now?
not sure what makes me the resident art specialist, but arts filter is not huge so let me give it a shot:
very early game (may 19th) scum reads bugs for a disconnect in one of wbg's posts. + Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2019 21:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to bother explaining myself when I can just boost my own ego by quoting HF's post on me. Y'all can go read that and figure out what my alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
although confirmed town is an exaggeration, I think it should be obvious why I consider HF town and rayn not, at least with this amount of info.
I also really like how everyone besides HF is arguing on the behalf of rayn and every time rayn posts he makes himself look worse. Let him talk about other things, his defense so far is not getting us anywhere.
I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front.
##vote wherebugsgo
comes back next day (may 20th), starts on bc. checks wbg's filter. says he doesnt understand some things in wbc's filter. interacts with wbg on it. says hes okay with wbgs responses + Show Spoiler +
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can't understand WBG's read progressions.
On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane?
I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment.
On May 20 2019 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m 100% down to kill ruxxar based on that single post alone btw
What makes iGrok's vote just weird and RuXxar bad?
iGrok's vote is weird because it's singularly based on the role breadcrumbing. I already explained this in detail in a previous post so I'm just going to quote myself:
On May 20 2019 16:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 20 2019 16:18 Holyflare wrote: Jock I suggest moving away from rayn and forming opinions on other people. Rayn is a big time sink and the only thing that will change his mind is by playing townie.
Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion?
I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh.
I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass.
If your point on iGrok is that he’s scummy because his only reason for voting rayn was the host thing, then yes, I disagree with that point. Back when I was fairly new to the forum (and iGrok used to play as well) we’d kill people over slips like that and I think there was an impression that it was a fairly effective way to find scum. I think there have been several games in which someone got screwed by role breadcrumbing, to the point where it got banned. I never thought it was a reliable way to catch scum but lots of people disagreed with me, and given iGrok’s tenure I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in that camp.
I’m giving him a pass because I don’t think lynching him has high value prop here. Like I said earlier he really doesn’t look all that different to me than Rels did last game. OTOH several other players look worse to me based on post content, notably ruxxar, disformation, and conversion.
On May 20 2019 23:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also
On May 20 2019 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: alright I’m officially putting rayn in the ignore pile.
Also I don’t know how anyone can say they are 100% sure on reading Jock either way, especially someone who played last game and witnessed us mislynch him in the presence of virtually identical rhetoric
WBG indicates he feels Jock is playing virtually identically to last game.
On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then.
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment.
sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together
I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1.
Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading
I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row.
I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one.
I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given:
1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm.
Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced.
WBG, can you explain in what way his rhetoric is the same yet his playstyle is different? To me, this reads like you're appeasing BC's reasons for his read despite them at the very least somewhat disagreeing your assertion. You then throw shade on your own opinions as well. What's going on here?
in the presence of identical rhetoric == what other people are saying about Jock. Last game half the game jumped on his ass almost out of the gate on day 1 because his style changed, and I started seeing elements of that here as well, particularly from rayn. I myself eventually participated in mislynching Jock last game because I ended up not liking Jock's responses to me.
So you're stating that whilst Jock's approach to the game is differently, it's the manner in which people respond to him that's the same? I'm not sure how that is a relevant point as it has no relevance on his alignment. How do you feel he's playing this game compared to previous games and why do you feel so solid in townreading him now?
it does have relevance on his alignment, because if he's changed his alignment several times and people are saying that's a reason to call him scum, why wouldn't I call that out? I thought that BC was saying that Jock looks scummier for changing his style in this game, for the third time in a row, so I wanted to cut that off because I thought it's a bad argument; I think it's not alignment indicative especially because Jock said in post-game that he was intending on trying out new things again. Granted, BC clarified and said he was just saying he wants to keep Jock on a watchlist for the style change so this really doesn't mean much at this point.
I'm confident in townreading him because 1. he caught at least one thing I purposely let go and didn't point out myself to see if others would catch onto the same ideas and 2. based on several things he's said and done in thread it genuinely seems to me like he's trying to figure out the game. I honestly don't really care about comparing Jock's play to past games because I already feel like I can read him from his posts in this game alone. I only use meta when I have a certain hunch about some particular behaviour that a player is exhibiting and I want to figure out whether that lies more often in their town vs scum game.
##Unvote Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now.
nothing on bugs till the 22nd, where bugs is null + Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop
Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi
Townish: Raynpelikoneet
Null: iGrok wherebugsgo
Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes
Lynch with fire: The Cobbler
AMA.
interacts a bit with wbg during the 22nd. later that day wbg is maybe scum. wbg also got a thing about artanis stuff on bc wrong. + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
comes back n1 to waffle off bc and switch to wbg. main reason for the scumread is how wbg got the above mentioned fact wrong and how wbg reacted to being wrong. + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
d2 he comes back and interacts with wbg once more. admits at the end that maybe his scumread on wbg is bad + Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2019 22:06 wherebugsgo wrote: here's my response to Artanis since I was bored. Feel free to ignore this post if you think you will get any of my reads for today, because it contains none. I'm off to bed in a couple of hours and I'll be back in the morning.
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
nice try but too much stretch. You might want to reread what I said, slower this time, and take it at face value rather than assuming I'm scum before reading it.
1. This hinges on me remembering one thing wrong, and then admitting that I was wrong, being a scumtell. Of course that's silly, unless you expect town me to have a photographic memory. All this while I am lying in bed, phoneposting, about to fall asleep, wondering what to think about something weird I remembered. Don't believe me? Check the time stamp.
2.The second post proves I am not lying that my best recollection was that your first read of BC was when you cased him. What proof? The fact that I wrote "before Artanis cased him" when I woke up and again checked the thread.
3. It feels to you like I'm trying to stay above the discussion because I literally said that's my intention. I don't want to be an active participant in the thread today because being an active participant in the thread yesterday was not helpful for me to solidify enough reads, and today I want to see who takes hard stances without me convincing them to take hard stances, cause that's not really a hard stance if it's me convincing them.
1. It's not the admittance that you're wrong being a scumtell, it's how you go about it. Tonal like I said, which was very different from how HF replied.
2. I am not saying you're lying about not remembering. I'm saying that you missing a crucial detail like that when I've been on your case this game already, and BC being one of your top townreads means I find it weird you'd miss it as town, and find it more likely you simply don't care as much because you already know our alignments.
3. I can see it from that angle. Nevertheless, it's an easy strategy to apply as scum.
Lastly, for bonus points, I decided I'd respond to this too:
On May 23 2019 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 23 2019 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2019 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do actually think VE might be town though. Him trying to talk down people on points he thinks are weak on me whilst still scumreading me comes off pretty genuine and I dnu why he wouldn't just pile up on me with thread sentiment against me.
Okay who do you think is mafia?
WBG maybe? His thread policing without really taking any hard stances himself feels like he's just keeping his options open right now. He's also just pointing out a bunch of things without following up on his thoughts.
On May 22 2019 23:42 wherebugsgo wrote: wait, me, Artanis, and BC all called VE scum...
hmm
Okay, what are you doing with this?
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Was untrue, didn't check and just checked out. I need to dig into him further though.
1. "without really taking any hard stances" <- right, I didn't take any hard stances when I moved mountains at EOD to get four people to sheep me on my read of ruxxar, in order to, you know, get my top scumread lynched. Nor did I take any hard stances when I was literally the only person hard defending both Jock and Calix for a majority of the day. Nor did I take any hard stances when koshi/rayn asked me for a full read of the game, or when I literally posted my spreadsheet for everyone to read. I think perhaps you may also be implying that because I've said, plainly and clearly, that I intend to stay on the sidelines today, that also means I don't intend to take any hard stances today, which is just silly because I never said that: I just said I'm not going to take any new hard stances right now.
2. See prior explanations for not checking, and in addition: Saying "w/e. Too much thinking", while phoneposting, prior to going to sleep is of course a great indication that I have an intention to double check that immediately, rather than let the players who shared the sentiment that BC OMGUSed Artanis check it and either correct me or back me up while I'm asleep. Cause my intention is to do...what exactly? Make myself look scummier? Or perhaps it makes more sense that town me would want help in achieving clarity on this from someone who did share that sentiment, during a period when I know I will not be able to check myself?
Okay that last part at EOD I need to check out as I was asleep and never really processed, but if true then my scumread on you is pretty shite. Regarding defending Jock: I'm pretty sure I did that too. Your spreadsheet contained a bunch of percentages that don't mean anything without backing them up. Also if you're following up on things I guess it's fine and fuck this shit game is hard
next thing he has no scumreads at all so he dropped wbg? from his last statement very end its not 100% clear if he wants to check something first or if he ever did that.
So, just so I'm clear Artanis scum read WBG at the end of this for his RESPONSE to being wrong but then doesn't think WBG is mafia because WBG said he PUSHED FOR RUXXAR only eliminating half of Artanis' original scum read (that he wasn't pushing people).
Looks a bit shit when WBG has said he's playing intentionally afk today as well so Artanis isn't exactly wrong on that point today and just backs off of it.
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"
maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.
You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?
Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)?
I've broken my eyes trying to zoom in on this super shitty igrok image of his reads.
Essentially he scum reads VE in his image for early game points (and also later game points) that he never mentioned scum reading him for and hasn't actually scum read me for + has missed out giving town points for things he's complimented VE on.
Thus he now thinks VE is mafia, Calix is mafia and myself are mafia but the points he has on me are that I wanted to vote Calix or VE (at least half of the red bolded things in his image are these anyway). It's not an organic read list, it's an arbitrary bolding of random things in colours that never gets updated.
I mean, if VE is coloured red as mafia for just 2 points being highlighted I hate to think wtf ruxxar, disfo and conversion looked like for him to give a scum read on them early.
Not to mention his read on Ruxxar was "he could be afk town or mafia" but also that he agrees with the cases on him so it's not just afk town or mafia, it's an actual scum read.
If he could link that entire list for all of us to see that would be great wouldn't it?
On May 24 2019 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing?
He has scum red VE for things he did in the early game but VE never came up in any read list as being mafia and in fact, iGrok said there were + points for VE (the meta on you and bugs and finding something nobody else did). Now you look at the image and see he has coloured things earlier than his read list as red!
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"
maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.
You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?
Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)?
but... you think calix is mafia.............?
are you stupid? no, why are you being stupid? like wtf this is not how it works.
You are literally defending iGrok saying he ONLY does this as mafia if Calix is mafia but that's what you think is the case so it's a very weird stance for you to take seeing as that's the world you're living in.
On May 24 2019 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing?
(1)He has scum red VE for things he did in the early game but (2)VE never came up in any read list as being mafia and (3)in fact, iGrok said there were + points for VE (the meta on you and bugs and finding something nobody else did). Now you look at the image and see he has coloured things earlier than his read list as red!
Why is (2) impossible as town if (1) and (3)?
If you point me out to a case iGrok has made on VE that iGrok has made AFTER all (1),(2),(3) happened, that has only reasons before (1),(2),(3) then you have a case based on this. I will give you that.
He literally posted an image of his reads my dude. VE is as red as they come in it, thus he thinks VE is mafia.
2) The points he scum reads VE for are highlighted in red. One of those is for scum reading you BUT he doesn't scum read me for the same thing AND this existed before his read list was posted of BC, Calix, Me, Ruxxar or whatever it was.
3) NONE of these + points appear in this read list whatsoever
1) These reasons existed all game before his reads list but only now is VE red for it.
You literally have to open the imgur link and ctrl + scroll wheel to zoom into pixels and parse the information together of what he highlights. I DID THIS FOR YOU TO SAVE YOU TIME.
On May 24 2019 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly still cant realize what those things say in iGrok's shit how much ever i ctrl+f: + Show Spoiler +
and this is not because my phone is bad...
I will damage my eyes once again for you rayn:
Koshi:
spams up the thread
vote calix, conv or iGrok
#580 or 560 something the only meaningful post (560 is koshi read post so prob that)
truly something rux lynch?
VE is town
fuck me my eyes - leaving thread until flips
Apparently it makes somebody mafia if another person votes [cut off the rest]
Artanis and BC are roughly equally scummy
The thread is doubting iGrok for no reason
#2962 This post is top notch (post about me scum reading ruxxar for scum reading me)
HF:
Rayn is mafia
rayn is ???, ??? be mafia
HF says VE's aggro on me is misconstrued, still votes me but good logic.
Reaptedly hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though I'm not [cut off] because I've publicly stated(?) I won't be in the thread
Calix is scummy (should be green if he thinks she's scummy?
pivoted to ruxxar in retaliation
jumped on jock when he was demotivated (not true)
Please lynch VE or rayn (has VE red now)
Starting to build a case against me (based on lack of (cut off - probably says current reads)
#2456 hooooly shit (my list of people's reads related to igrok) - literally everyone thinks iGrok is scummy - If you don't think igrok be mafia (cut off)
Tunneling so hard that anyone defending igrok must be mafia
Keeps saying I will call him mafia - it's like if he's something it
Harps on groks initial ruxx/disfo (gut?) read
Starting to lean against Koshi (not really, just investigating)
VE:
HF is overreacting
Buuuuut it's ok to kill rayn <------ this is the point that was red all along but never mentioned
rayn and wbg are unlynchable - [green] rany and wbg are unlynchable (cut off) <--- not sure what it says but looks unrelated to VE
igrok be blue or maf(?)
if rany and wbg are both town they will sit up the thread trying to (cut off) <--- not highlighted green like he said it should be earlier
Koshi is obv-town
Votes(???) Calix on the "something vote" <--- should be green if thinks calix mafia
Leaning Artanis
iGrok < BC
Not willing to lynch Artanis(?)
Now grok is something than Calix (why doesn't he make things calling him mafia red? who the fuck knows?)
something voting Artanis of all the things to red this is extremely confusing wtf
Defending hf (HOW IS THIS NOT RED TOO LOL?)
Back to iGrok (OR THIS)
the rest is about conv and jock who are green and white, last list has no name but it's rayn and cut off and none of it is red and some green
On May 24 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Bugs if ur still here I have a question about hf.
You said that in the last game you scumread hf in a similar way to how I did yesterday.
On reflection, would you say that hf delibreately put you in that position?
I mean if we're to read into this what he wants us to he infers he's using that to confirm townies. I don't exactly see how scum hf couldn't act in exactly the same way though.
If you’re not jock and you expect reads in this post, nope none here keep moving. However if you’re confused on my alignment and want more of my thoughts read on if you wish.
So he was town last game and the answer to “did HF deliberately put me in a position where I would scumread him” is idk, but I kinda felt like regardless of my own alignment I would have called him out there. (If I were scum I’d probably have RB-hit him n1 though)
Like he did fake claim just to reaction fish which on its own I found weird, but then afterward he just kept looking worse, I disagreed with reads that I thought he should obviously nail, like still scumming Pandain for old, holdover reasons from d1 and HF was ignoring perfectly good info from Pandain that indicated he was town. Maybe he read too much into rayn dying after posting 3/4 townies as scum, idk. and there was a very rare confluence of events that I think might never happen again, like HF actually being a vet and then scumming me on the host question, me VE and BC all agreeing on him, etc. etc. etc.
In the absence of all that garbage my initial read on HF was town and here he is not playing super out of band to his d1 last game. I also know his situation now as far as posting quality/amount so that’s no longer alignment indicative.
HF this game should be judged on the basis of 1. his reads (note who he put in his bottom 4- (Not sure if I remember the most updated version though) if both iGrok and Calix are town the chances of HF being scum jump a lot, esp if he doesn’t use the rest of today to evaluate all his other reads, since he has more time today and iGrok is as good as dead at this point. None of VE/rayn/Koshi seem to be doing any actual pushing of Calix today either, so that’s something to be on the look for.
However at this moment there is not much to do IMO other than observe or ask questions if you have doubts because the lines in the sand have been drawn.
You are all grown up people and can make a decision on whether or not Calix and iGrok are mafia yourselves based on the facts put forward and their responses, nothing to do with my alignment if I am correct or wrong either, just push what you think is the most valid case in all of the game to make someone mafia and hope.
I don't like how essentially silent Calix has been this entire day cycle only coming in to argue with rayn over and over again. Sure, she scum reads igrok but what else is really known?
Calix, provide a list of reads and a sentence on each please.
On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote: bc edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5)
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.
Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.
Pls kill.
additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained
On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote: did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.
koshi town now:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after...
3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts:
On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote: bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh?
On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.
As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?
Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"
As for posts
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote: @VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar.
rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected
OK
Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo.
He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason)
Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking.
Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him.
2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good.
3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads.
All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.
On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum
On May 24 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That doesn't state hes a scum read. I will fully give you it can look like that based on the other 3 names however.
On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi.
Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage.
I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly
On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia.
The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level.
If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn.
This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted.
Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted.
I mean artanis never says he is a scum read, he specifically says "he says koshi is a good lynch" but never scum reads koshi
On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote: bc edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5)
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.
Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.
Pls kill.
additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained
On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote: did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.
koshi town now:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after...
3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts:
On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote: bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh?
On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.
As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?
Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"
As for posts
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote: @VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar.
rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected
OK
Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo.
He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason)
Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking.
Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him.
2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good.
3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads.
All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.
note on addition 2:
On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum
On May 24 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That doesn't state hes a scum read. I will fully give you it can look like that based on the other 3 names however.
On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi.
Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage.
I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly
On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia.
The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level.
If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn.
This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted.
Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted.
I mean artanis never says he is a scum read, he specifically says "he says koshi is a good lynch" but never scum reads koshi
art? you prolly mean bc yeah dunno. i can see koshi making the list for being a bit of an ass, but not sure why you would suggest to cop check him then for example.
On May 24 2019 23:24 Jockmcplop wrote: Oh thanks disfo I missed that. What do you think? I don't think there's enough there to scumread BC compared to some other people here.
yeah, esp given the way he responded yesterday (and partly since art is looking not good either) i am not sure on bc. hence why im not voting him atm. would feel better if he actually did some reads yesterday as pointed out here:
On May 24 2019 17:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Can we talk about Artanis???
I mentioned this yesterday but can someone tell me how this case on Bugs is worth a lynch at all????
I mean did Artanis think this was strong enough to lynch Bugs off the back of it? I dunno its the biggest read/explanation post he's made so far in the whole game and it just doesn't work logically.
Bugs is mafia because he is defensive and closed minded? Please. They aren't even mafia traits are they?
I can kinda see where he's coming from when he says that bugs isn't giving solid reads (not in this post) but this case is just LAME. Similarly the BC case just looks like waffle to me.
Can't he do something better than this just to stop us from lynching him?
On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.
The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.
As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.
Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."
Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote: why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement.
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead
Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.
Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.
I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.
Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.
If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.
"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed.
Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.
##Vote wherebugsgo
yeah art kinda waffling of bc is super strange to me. like if art is scum and bc is town its like a free pass to continue to tunnel and complain that nooene listened to his case? like how he scummed calix and ve for liking his case and not voting bc? if both are scum it makes some sense to waffle off the case before it gains traction again? but then it makes no sense that bc just stays on art when the threat sentiment is on art? though maybe art fucked up the nightactions and bc is mad at him? the fuck do i know
would like bc more if he would have posted some more reads/conclusions yesterday... like i know its maybe rich coming from me, but _some_ sort of conclusion to either:
On May 24 2019 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_-
On May 24 2019 08:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote: Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.
Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.
Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.
It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies.
Thats fair, I appreciate the input.
would have been grand
No, Artanis's case says
"BC says he wants to lynch Koshi but he never scum reads Koshi!"
BC rebuts the case by saying: "AHA, I never scum read Koshi, prove that I did!" but that isn't the point Artanis made at all.
On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her.
As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN" Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing.
Thinks iGrok shows he is scum hunting. Pretty surface level reasoning. Even makes up a reason "willing to reevaluate a read" which iGrok NEVER does because as far as we're aware he still scum reads calix and myself <---- scummy poster
On May 21 2019 22:57 iGrok wrote: Guys, you've generated 20 more pages in 6 hours. Haven't read any of it, but holy shit. Please cut back on the spam, or I'm not going to be able to keep up. The whole point of this game was for it to be a slower pace.
this is such a bad post dude lol just pick someone u think is scummy and read that person. who cares about the page number
On May 22 2019 10:25 Conversion wrote: ugh forgot all of EU is probably asleep.. thanks for being here.
just read your post iGrok let me read through HF and Calix now.
Going through Conversion's filter there is almost 0 points or talking about iGrok despite iGrok being the most polarising player today. All I could see was the stuff in the spoiler and the deadline logic argument which was bad. Also bad looking in relation to iGrok but afk so we'll see. iGrok is currently like Conv's 3rd most scummy player?
On May 20 2019 07:25 Holyflare wrote: It's pointless arguing with you. I'm just going to put you into an ignore pile and see what happens after your claim. iGrok is the best lynch today imo.
When he returned to the thread there were the following 2-3 points against rayn:
1) Rayn's opening post 2) Rayn's lack of doing anything afterwards and no passion mean rayn is mafia 3) Rayn hasn't tried to solve the game
At this point Jock/HF/Bugs (and calix?? need to double check) are voting for Rayn for reasons that aren't 1) because 1) was a fake case and literally just pressure. iGrok comes and votes Rayn for 1).
##vote iGrok
scummy post.
Doesn't like it when I make a case on the exact thing rayn called igrok retarded or mafia for
On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote: If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of:
Calix iGrok Bugs
Then there's just like:
Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????)
probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh
koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list
You had 2 posts.
Don't even think disfo had posted.
What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol?
what’s a bugs2.0?
im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol?
The top 3 had reasons. Bottom 3 just shitters :D
Calix seems manipulative and blendy/sheepy.
Bugs similarly at that point had only really sheeped and complained about being scum read. Since then my opinion on him has changed for the better ever so slightly.
IGrok as stated in vote post, bad reason to vote rayn.
HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS! Fucking hypocrites all of you.
Is actually part of Rayn's scum reads????
Was going through all mentions of iGrok and it got really fucking boring. Essentially he flipped his read on iGrok around for the deadline shenanigans and that he didn't vote ruxxar (who scum read his biggest scum read so would have looked really bad). Looks like rayn really is just not reading or thinking about igrok and his decisions as if he could be mafia at all. ++ points for at least looking into the timeline thing I was talking about, or trying to squint at it.
On May 23 2019 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote: iGrok, Calix, Artanis
That's where I'm landing. I'm not available for questions. If I have to I'll try and stay alive, but I'm basically following the thread and voting what I think.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis
He literally came back and complained about the thread size and fucked off.
Whatever I like your vote just ugh, igrok can easily be mafia.
On May 23 2019 19:53 VisceraEyes wrote: And it's not even original, he did it before too, I memed at him.
On May 24 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Damnit rayn.
##Unvote ##Vote: iGrok
Tell the the game so I can go look at it.
On May 24 2019 19:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Totally satisfied with iGrok/Artanis day. Aynone not voting for one of these people SUCKS lol jk but really vote one of those two people plz.
On May 24 2019 19:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd move my vote to make it a ballgame HF but my vote doesn't really count as pressure, at least not this game. It's more like...a breeze. My vote has been breezing all over the place.
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"
maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.
You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.
Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"
maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.
You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?
Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)?
I mean I'm down to Calix mafia at this point anyway so like...no, I can't answer you that and I don't care to because that's about where I'm at. Maybe trying to both pseudo-contribute plus remove shade from Calix. But whatever I get it, you think it's a bit much for mafia iGrok. I would argue that it's a bit much for towniGrok too, so it's NAI, but it's whatever.
Sorry if you already said this, but you're townie on Conversion right?
scum reads igrok but says vote is like a breeze? dunno lol, he doesn't seem to care and that's ok - don't think he ever comments on igrok case at all? Could be wrong but don't remember it
On May 20 2019 17:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Koshi what do you think of disinformation?? Look at his filter please!
Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right?
I havent seen any posts yet. Also. Everything I post is liquid gold and you should be honoured to be able to witness a brilliant mind at work.
Here's the thing.
I wrote disinformation but meant conversion. I have no idea why I would get those two mixed up.
Koshi what do you think of conversion?? Look at his filter please!
Its small, only a few posts, but its hella scummy, right?
He voted HF in a silly jokingly way.
In a world both bugs and hf are town mafia could be Calix/Conversion and maybe iGrok for example. I am now at the part VE makes a case on him but I dont understand the case fully (why it makes him mafia). It's somewhat odd at best but I can see townie do it.
iGrok I dont understand the case about.
On May 20 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote: Calix is so mafia but it is fine.
I cba to find the rest of mafia.
I am sure you will vote the townie out of conversion and igrok.
Maybe both are town and the retard police is actually mafia.
On May 21 2019 03:57 Koshi wrote: I guess this lynch will fall on iGrok.
On May 21 2019 06:36 Koshi wrote: Maybe kill spot 10 to 13. And iGrok.
On May 21 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: Artanis is not kill worthy due to first 2 pages of filter. After that he fell off. But still wont kill him today.
iGrok idk. Guess we can give him 1 more cycle. But 50/50 to me. Dnu how he read me if people like wbg and jock cant.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
On May 22 2019 05:22 Holyflare wrote: I don't care if bc gets lynched but please look at this igrok post he just made and come to a conclusion on it. He seems to believe i followed sentiment on calling rayn mafia (lol)
He made a case on mafia so its fine. No1 cares if there are minor flaws in it.
On May 22 2019 05:54 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bbler maybe mafia. 2. Wheredobugsgoanyway? Not mafia 4. HolyFlare mafia 5. VisceraEyes Not mafia 6. Conversion Not mafia 7. Jockmcplop Not mafia 8. iGrok w.e no lynch d1 9. Raynpelikoneet Not mafia 10. ruXxar Not mafia 11. disformation Maybe mafia 12. Arty Mctanis w.e no lynch d1 13. Calix mafia
On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix
My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3.
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.
On May 22 2019 07:05 Calix wrote: Hey Koshi, you'd literally be more helpful if you shut the fuck up and vote for BC instead. Since I'm probably not getting lynched at this point. And you'd actually be voting for mafia then.
Ohh now he is mafia. When momentum swings to iGrok and you will do everyrhing for it to stay there. Oki
On May 22 2019 07:06 Conversion wrote: I have no time to catch up atm— preparing for an interview tomorrow and flying out Thursday for another one. did no one like my Koshi case? I’ll revisit both Koshi and disfo if I can.
who are leading wagons, and who should I case and who should I have an opinion on?
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
On May 22 2019 10:21 iGrok wrote: Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:
Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.
Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.
Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.
so what this means is:
If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF
Bad boi bad boi.
On May 22 2019 16:01 Koshi wrote: Calix BC
And then 4 others. If we lynch BC I can make a better judgement who is left in pool.
On May 23 2019 19:20 Koshi wrote: My mafia team is still Calix BC Artanis
BUT
I am now willing to vote somebody else than Calix.
You know, the main reason you townread iGrok was that he was maf reading Bugs like you. Now that you're not maf reading Bugs, does your townread of iGrok remain? If so, why?
No I neveraf read bugs. Also not why I townread iGrok at all. I townread him because I feel that the pressure on him is dirty.
On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her.
As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN" Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing.
BC is becoming more townie.
On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote: Oh well. RIP iGrok. I think you got lynched by mafia regardless of your alignment.
On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote: Is iGrok on or of my 5 people list? I forgot again.
On May 24 2019 19:59 Koshi wrote: Apparantly not.
Well the 20% HF is not mafia iGrok is likely mafia.
Calix HF Artanis still.
BC is joker now.
On May 24 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote: Calix still so mafia though.
On May 24 2019 20:36 Holyflare wrote: I appreciate your candour, thank you for replying with your well articulated and thought out response.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared.
I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix.
This game is going into the right direction unledd iGrok flips town because then you are mafia. (80%)
On May 24 2019 21:52 Koshi wrote: Artanis and Calix are full mafia and we lynch obv town iGrok.
Ah well.
Weren't you the guy who forgot you had iGrok in your 'list' at one point? lol
How is he 'obvtown' now? I'm not accepting answers that don't relate to what iGrok himself has said.
I dont believe mafia is bussing iGrok like this.
This guy flip flops on his reads more than anyone in the game. First igrok is mafia, then he's in a list of 6 mafia, then he's town but oh wait he's in a list as mafia again. Looks like he just spite says igrok is mafia to push calix or agenda saying he's town because people he scum reads are on igrok. Nothing is related to igrok's posts (apart from when igrok calls calix and hf mafia) but even then koshi doesn't care about the content being wrong, just the targets. He flips on igrok again at some point requoting his list and calling everyone on it mafia again and then flips back to igrok being town because the wagon on him feels dirty. Nothing is play related at all, just associative at every stage. Pretty bad looking but not out of the realm of town koshi sooooooooooo hedge :D
Honestly, they all look pretty bad. The caveat is that I don't think Conversion would be mafia with igrok arguing about logic together like that. VE is super non-committal to igrok, BC defends igrok in a really bad way, Koshi I could actually see be town but it's weird igrok town reads him when he scum reads me for changing my reads. Rayn is... absent and needs to start taking stances.
On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: good chat. ends here.
You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either.
Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't.
On May 24 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia. Please
Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads.
This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum.
Not true, he flip flops over it repeatedly. You can just ctrl + f each of our names in his filter and like clockwork it's hf could be town, nah mafia, oh wait town, nah ok mafia and the same with calix. At some point he even said you and her could both be town.
On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry, "scumread" me
VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game.
Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game?
look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended.
On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry, "scumread" me
VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game.
Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game?
look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended.
Then come back and explain it to me yourself.
Hard pass.
Why does this not apply to calix and igrok?
when did I say it does not apply to iGrok? It clearly does, otherwise I 1. wouldn't be voting him, 2. wouldn't have posted several times already corroborating your case and 3. wouldn't try to rebut literally the only surface-level reason stated by anyone (rayn) for townreading iGrok based on his EoD behaviour in #3239
The same logic doesn't apply to Calix because she was defending herself from being lynched.
No, she wasn't. She said she decided to town read igrok at deadline because she saw a townie trait in him (when he said he unvoted her to figure out the game).
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Holy shit, you bite back. I think I need to sit down for a moment.
But in all seriousness, this post actually sounds like a town frustrated at my perceived stubbornness.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
What good post did he make and why didn't you mention this earlier?
Also I just want to make it clear that I basically saved your arse for another day by voting for ruxxar. I could've easily just told everyone to fuck off and stay on you. And I don't know whether that was the smartest thing I've ever done.
So if you could just do things like telling us your Artanis read without prodding, that would be WONDERFUL. Because I'm the only other person in the thread right now.
On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry, "scumread" me
VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game.
Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game?
look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended.
Then come back and explain it to me yourself.
Hard pass.
Why does this not apply to calix and igrok?
when did I say it does not apply to iGrok? It clearly does, otherwise I 1. wouldn't be voting him, 2. wouldn't have posted several times already corroborating your case and 3. wouldn't try to rebut literally the only surface-level reason stated by anyone (rayn) for townreading iGrok based on his EoD behaviour in #3239
The same logic doesn't apply to Calix because she was defending herself from being lynched.
No, she wasn't. She said she decided to town read igrok at deadline because she saw a townie trait in him (when he said he unvoted her to figure out the game).
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Holy shit, you bite back. I think I need to sit down for a moment.
But in all seriousness, this post actually sounds like a town frustrated at my perceived stubbornness.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
What good post did he make and why didn't you mention this earlier?
Also I just want to make it clear that I basically saved your arse for another day by voting for ruxxar. I could've easily just told everyone to fuck off and stay on you. And I don't know whether that was the smartest thing I've ever done.
So if you could just do things like telling us your Artanis read without prodding, that would be WONDERFUL. Because I'm the only other person in the thread right now.
I don't actually know what I'm arguing about here tbh.
On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry, "scumread" me
VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game.
Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game?
look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended.
Then come back and explain it to me yourself.
Hard pass.
Why does this not apply to calix and igrok?
when did I say it does not apply to iGrok? It clearly does, otherwise I 1. wouldn't be voting him, 2. wouldn't have posted several times already corroborating your case and 3. wouldn't try to rebut literally the only surface-level reason stated by anyone (rayn) for townreading iGrok based on his EoD behaviour in #3239
The same logic doesn't apply to Calix because she was defending herself from being lynched.
No, she wasn't. She said she decided to town read igrok at deadline because she saw a townie trait in him (when he said he unvoted her to figure out the game).
On May 22 2019 08:39 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
Holy shit, you bite back. I think I need to sit down for a moment.
But in all seriousness, this post actually sounds like a town frustrated at my perceived stubbornness.
On May 22 2019 08:46 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 08:45 disformation wrote: aight. lets go. ##Unvote ##Vote: ruXxar
Might as well.
##vote Ruxxar
On May 22 2019 09:56 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
What good post did he make and why didn't you mention this earlier?
Also I just want to make it clear that I basically saved your arse for another day by voting for ruxxar. I could've easily just told everyone to fuck off and stay on you. And I don't know whether that was the smartest thing I've ever done.
So if you could just do things like telling us your Artanis read without prodding, that would be WONDERFUL. Because I'm the only other person in the thread right now.
I don't actually know what I'm arguing about here tbh.
I realised this isn't what you were talking about at all :D but still, I don't think that VE post is that bad, it has a smiley face at the end and sounds facetious af
On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote: HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol?
That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC.
On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote: bc edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5)
On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Shitty entrance:
On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC is on my radar.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players?
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Says basically nothing.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed:
Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it.
2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX:
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.
I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.
Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again
rayn voted: D1 - mafia
bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town
i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.
gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix
When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him:
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him.
5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all.
On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.
Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.
Pls kill.
additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained
On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote: did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.
koshi town now:
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after...
3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts:
On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote: bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh?
On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI.
As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made?
Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off"
As for posts
On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts?
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions
On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote: @VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory.
On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar.
rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected
OK
Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo.
He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason)
Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking.
Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him.
2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good.
3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads.
All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.
On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum
On May 24 2019 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That doesn't state hes a scum read. I will fully give you it can look like that based on the other 3 names however.
On May 23 2019 07:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Honestly idgaf if I get policy lynched for trolling about being scum because I have steadily lost a lot of desire to play this game thanks mostly to Koshi.
Like I stopped caring what his alignment is and it’s so frustrating that he’s still allowed to enter games and do this garbage.
I’m going to quote VE here because it encapsulates my thoughts perfectly
On July 09 2016 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't matter I won't be back. I'm not requesting a ban for you this game and I don't knew why anyone but me would. Like you can say it's sad and I'm a drama queen all you want, but it's not just about this game. It's every game you are in. You are a poison element in this community. IF you give a shit at all about this community, stop being a dick every game. You are killing TLMafia.
The maybe 2? Games I played with Koshi back then were a huge factor in me taking a large hiatus from TL Mafia. It actually made me reflect a lot on the times I myself have been toxic, and I really really hope I’ve never been perceived anywhere near as toxic as Koshi is this game, to the multitude of players he’s been toxic to. Like I get it, not getting the lynch you want is frustrating. But this is on another level.
If I ever play here again I’m going to ensure he’s not in the playerlist, and if I ever host again I’m banning him. I don’t actually care if that means I never play here again despite how much I actually like playing with the rest of you, even rayn.
This general sentiment (not just in regards to koshi but a style he and many more do) led to my hiatus for so long. Honestly the only "troll" player I truly enjoy reading is Chezinu because well, its chez. His posts were always so carefully crafted.
Ill let you decide if this was a good enough reason, if not go to town on me man. Said I wouldn't fight it. Given I did have him as null or town everywhere else after that post you quoted.
Ah, sorry, it was Jock talking about Artanis' case and then having some additional points in it.
Either way:
Addition 2:
2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good.
This is what BC has a qualm with of all the things and his point is:
On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum
Point never said he scum read Koshi. It specifically said he wanted to lynch koshi but never scum read him. I guess BC explains it was a spite lynch in the 2nd quote so it doesn't really mean anything tbh.
On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote: HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol?
That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC.
Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me.
But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not.
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote: HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol?
That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC.
Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me.
But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not.
I didn't, did I? :D
What was that you were saying about iGrok? Something something hiding reads is bad something something
On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote: HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol?
That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC.
Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me.
But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not.
I didn't, did I? :D
What was that you were saying about iGrok? Something something hiding reads is bad something something
I'm not hiding it, I just don't have one lol!
I find this hard to believe. We've had similar ideas for most of the game AFAICT yet you have no read on me whatsoever?
That should be a compliment because it means I value your scum game. What you've posted has been pretty safe posts from what I recall so it's not like it's a 0 read it's like a null until further proper evaluation (which may or may not come soon).
On May 25 2019 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: There was a pm game in PYP where he fooled me by being nice in PMs, but don't know what his thread demeanor was
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
On May 25 2019 02:15 disformation wrote: ended up tripple checking the image hf posted. might actually have an answer that could make sense, but im not gonna post it before igrok responds.
On May 25 2019 02:15 disformation wrote: ended up tripple checking the image hf posted. might actually have an answer that could make sense, but im not gonna post it before igrok responds.
I'm back in for lunch, writing up some stuff now. What am I supposed to respond to? I can fold that in to my writeup
Did you know your "scum read" on me is for staple hf town things? What's your opinion on that?
This one's easy, but you won't like the answer. Based on #246, I thought VE picked up on why I fake-voted for rayn, which I did for reasons that I'm not allowed to talk about. VE had 4 hidden hidden points (and still does, after D1 I don't think I need hidden thoughts). Two of those are green.
So you're saying you have a hidden read list that you haven't shown anyone but within that hidden read list there's hidden reads?
On May 25 2019 02:36 Jockmcplop wrote: Yo hf what do you think of BC? You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi..
Nah I stopped reading him and got bored again so I'm taking a break while I wait for igrok. There was a lot of wrong stuff I saw him posting about and I think it would be easy to actually make a case about him being mafia but his meta is very very different, even from the civil game he was mafia in.
Like, this is getting ridiculous igrok. Even if you're mafia, post your read list and interact for the remainder of your lunch. I know you're going to drop a post and disappear again so don't do that because it's in your best interest either way
On May 25 2019 02:36 Jockmcplop wrote: Yo hf what do you think of BC? You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi..
Nah I stopped reading him and got bored again so I'm taking a break while I wait for igrok. There was a lot of wrong stuff I saw him posting about and I think it would be easy to actually make a case about him being mafia but his meta is very very different, even from the civil game he was mafia in.
Didn't that happen with calix as well??? You might as well stop trying and just concentrate on your one read
Yeah I lost a lot of passion when the game gets boring not interacting with scum reads.
Rayn I'm pretty sure is town because he made what is, in my memory, the most town rayn play: shit up the thread D1 early to generate activity to generate reads, find someone he thinks is mafia, call everyone else dumb for not getting it, and stops playing until he gets another mafia read.
Like what the fuck does this even say? It was rayn's intentional play to get mad and really sad and demotivated? Not my play to fake case rayn to get everyone to talk and make reads?
What part of rayn shitting up the thread generated his reads on Jock which were solely based on posts I was making and jock was sheeping?
What do you scum read me for igrok? Definitively. I want a list. Everyone in this game has corrected you that you are wrong about my opportune posting and that's just what I do. Why has your read not fluidly updated with that?
I think Conv is confirmed town because #806 and tone reasons. He doesn't post a ton but when he does its typically meaningful. Sounds exactly like a townie who started strong but is getting overwhelmed with the sheer amount of spam in the game, which I can completely empathize with.
Conversion is confirmed town because he meta dived your other confirmed town disformation in post #806 and "reasons"???
On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote: Anyway. igrok obv town.
But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e
This is really funny, don't you think?
On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote: No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.
Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.
One can only hope they see the light after you die. Dont focus and arguing with them. Just post opinions and your opinion only. Make it your testament.
Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia.
Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways?
You are without a doubt in my mind getting lynched. The best you can do is leave a legacy if you are town. No copping out with this bs.
On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote: Anyway. igrok obv town.
But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e
This is really funny, don't you think?
On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote: No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.
Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.
One can only hope they see the light after you die. Dont focus and arguing with them. Just post opinions and your opinion only. Make it your testament.
Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia.
Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways?
I dont care. Just do it for yourself and look at the results endgame.
If you spam dumb shit people do what they want. If you make brilliant cases people do what they want.
That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this.
none of the things that should be coloured are
half the things that are coloured don't make sense together
inconsistent colouring based on events occuring after so the colours don't change with new info
That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this.
Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does.
Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do?
I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why?
That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this.
Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does.
Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do?
I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why?
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is. Bugs I'm leaning town on. HF is obviously mafia. VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet. Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea. Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2. Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..
Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".
While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.
iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.
How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
I mean it's not inconsistent with what he's said in the thread but it is opportunistic to throw in the "I haven't paid much attention to him d2".
iGrok if you are town you need to do a better job of explaining yourself. You’re still getting lynched at this rate because I can’t even read your blurry images so to me it seems like you don’t want people to read what you’ve written, if indeed you have spent some effort on the game. I can’t see a town motivation for that so if you can’t even do the common courtesy of copy pasting that into the thread then there is 0 chance of anyone moving their vote on you.
Copy/pasting breaks all the formatting and leaves it illegible. I tried that originally, didn't work. Sorry.
If you click on the image, it'll take you to the imgur site where you can see it full size. You may need to click it on their site to fully zoom in, but I promise its completely legible.
Sorry but I'm just not going to format something twice.
On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote: We are lynching iGrok today, and you know that if he flips town, I will never lynch HF.
This doesn't make any sense.
Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI.
Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you.
VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game.
I mean if he's mafia with TMI who is pushing town me then he's going to say it doesn't make sense???
Regardless, I've already done your work for you on the people not voting igrok:
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
but his read just a few posts before was:
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
but you put him as null to scummish???
considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE.
if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum).
I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK.
It's really weird because his original post had this:
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's:
On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote: hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
woof
On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino)
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
but he still votes HF at the end!
It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong!
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is. Bugs I'm leaning town on. HF is obviously mafia. VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet. Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea. Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2. Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..
Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".
While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.
iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.
How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.
Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either.
Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle.
Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
I mean artanis COULD be mafia but then you have to think of the following things:
If you think iGrok could also be mafia and likely is then what are mafia doing? They have 2 mafia up for lynch and they're not promoting alternatives hard enough to save their teammates? Alternatively, if iGrok is mafia Artanis is the counter wagon of choice and vice versa.
Unless you think mafia are trying to push a counter wagon in me (from iGrok) but then why is iGrok not really pushing that read and his only alternative is Artanis now that he's decided to eliminate calix from his mafia read for no reason (other than he scum reads me so if she's town, conveniently leaves her open next as his logic puzzle bs)?
On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote: I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it.
You have quite literally caused this. You don't post any case, no proper reasons for defending people and spam whatever. You need to lead a thread if you want anything done, not undermine the only person that was actually leading it repeatedly.
What is the case to lynch artanis that people should follow over the case on iGrok?
I can't believe you'd have perfect info that you essentially got shot most likely and you thought iGrok top towned you "beacause you shared the same reads" :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did.
Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time.
Come on hf.
It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts.
You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you.
Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone.
On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did.
Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time.
Come on hf.
It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts.
You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you.
Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone.
Can we liek pls pls pls not lynch iGrok?
But WHY artanis then? Just because he's afk and not really posted much? Poe?
Why do you defend conversion from rayn? Did you read what I just wrote about his stance on igrok?
Once people start claiming roles I get really confused really fast. I would appreciate it so much if someone could - out of the kindness of your obviously oversized hearts - explain shit to me like a 2 year old - in spoilers if you want to avoid disrupting the thread vibe, or I might disappear...
Koshi has claimed veteran to stop nonsense reads on him and because mafia would likely know he's a veteran or was jailed anyway. More likely to stop nonsense. I guess it's also to get him some thread power? Don't hate the play tbh. If he's just getting jailed it doesn't say he can't get jailed again so not a bad play either.
On May 25 2019 04:42 Koshi wrote: I can also be town veteran and mafia forgot to shoot. But that is not important.
nah
Mafia can not hold their shot. In the (hopefully unlikely) event that no mafia shot is presented to the hosts, a non-mafia target will be chosen at random.
Is bugs mad mafia or something? I think he kinda revealed himself a bit. Koshi's role claim is really like self authenticating eventually and it clears up at least part of his narrative if true so he should be a bit happier?
If there is a veteran and a jailer in the same game for town in a mini I will eat my hat. Unless this is the most shitty balanced game in existence then I refuse to believe that.
On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did.
Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time.
Come on hf.
It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts.
You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you.
Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone.
Can we liek pls pls pls not lynch iGrok?
But WHY artanis then? Just because he's afk and not really posted much? Poe?
Why do you defend conversion from rayn? Did you read what I just wrote about his stance on igrok?
If it wasn't clear I didn't actually like bug's reactions to koshi claiming and they DO look like mafia reactions but I'm not going to vote him today because he is actually putting in effort and trying to solve the game.
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
but you put him as null to scummish???
considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE.
if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum).
I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK.
It's really weird because his original post had this:
On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote: hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino)
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote: Oh right, ##Vote: Calix
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
but he still votes HF at the end!
It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong!
I mean, he's present while we're doing all this and all he contributed was a quote from an old game about bug spray? Asked for some pertinent posts in the game and did nothing with it? Surely he's the one that's tracking all that stuff in his list?
On May 25 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote: Do we buy that I made rayn demotivated d1 when his jock read got proven correct and he's suffering ever since?
He correctly hard reads Koshi town for nothing. Risky if mafia
He did before the nk too didn't he? Don't see how it would change. Probably more risky to say he doesn't town read koshi if he's mafia.
Lol why? That reads as clueless townie if he calls Koshi mad there. Koshi thinks maf know he's town.
More because of history and even more so because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to go from koshi is town to koshi is mafia after the nk because that's instant red flag regardless of if koshi was vet or not. If I'm mafia I'm placating and town reading as many people that know me as I can until I need to not town read them anymore.
On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote: I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons:
He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was:
On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
but his read just a few posts before was:
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
I called him out and it was:
On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote:
On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
but you put him as null to scummish???
considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE.
if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum).
I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK.
It's really weird because his original post had this:
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's:
On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote: hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
woof
On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino)
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote: Oh right, ##Vote: Calix
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
but he still votes HF at the end!
It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong!
On May 25 2019 05:52 Conversion wrote: I am at a spa and relaxing.
@Bugs you need to believe this Koshi vet claim. also he plays very similarly to when he was vet in my game. just says F U to town and sticks to his reads. very gungho
On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote: I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons:
He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was:
On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
but his read just a few posts before was:
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
I called him out and it was:
On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote:
On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course!
Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list?
pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia:
you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand)
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation
town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok
probably scum: artanis
but you put him as null to scummish???
considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE.
if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum).
I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK.
It's really weird because his original post had this:
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's:
On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote: hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
woof
On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino)
On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote: I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing. Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
On May 22 2019 06:30 iGrok wrote: Oh right, ##Vote: Calix
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
but he still votes HF at the end!
It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong!
On May 22 2019 10:05 iGrok wrote: ##Vote: Holyflare
What that's meant to say is "he even got iGrok's voting situation wrong" because it was obvious he didn't scum read ruxxar anymore.
but I admitted to that mistake and said the real weird thing was how he how he seems to just ignore Artanis for no real good reason when he seemed completely OK voting townies off to save himself, but he somehow won’t comment on Art at all when he’s the competing wagon, even when Art has some good momentum
not disagreeing just saying it was a weird interaction for you in the thread forgetting things like 3 times in a short space of time when you've been all about meta and accuracy for most of it
On May 25 2019 05:59 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with that premise because rayn/igrok could have shot him bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite
haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise
rayn/igrok townread Koshi
I concede Bugs/BC could have shot him out of spite, but SAVE THAT, it's a decent premise, right? Work with me dude I know you don't think it's likely but please don't shut me out right now.
Feel free to work with your assumptions but I just don't subscribe to that school tbh.
On May 25 2019 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: But he's UNQUESTIONABLY the lynch target today before Koshi claim.
OMG who cares lynch me for it lol I really don't care. Like I come in and the second I start to actually think and try and help everyones like KILLHIM
Continue your point then. Let's pretend Koshi is mafia saving mafia buddy iGrok. Koshi claims veteran knowing that someone was saved last night and he can just get CCd and outed?
On May 25 2019 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: But he's UNQUESTIONABLY the lynch target today before Koshi claim.
OMG who cares lynch me for it lol I really don't care. Like I come in and the second I start to actually think and try and help everyones like KILLHIM
Continue your point then. Let's pretend Koshi is mafia saving mafia buddy iGrok. Koshi claims veteran knowing that someone was saved last night and he can just get CCd and outed?
That's like the worst play I can think of.
You LITERALLY said a JK should NOT CC. That is IN your filter. But whatever lynch me motherfucker I don't care
They absolutely shouldn't but nor should they protect Koshi tomorrow either. If Koshi does not die then they can.
Beyond saving how? We lynching who you think is mafia and we're talking about your hypothetical where Koshi is mafia. It's a really really bad play if he was so I don't agree with it. It's just more likely, really likely that he's town.
Third party: Survivor - You have no special powers and have no allegiance to either faction. You win if you survive until the end of the game, regardless of which faction wins.
oh for fuck sake is this the kind of game we're playing?
if you're survivor claim now or I'll just lynch you later
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it.
Claiming veteran is also a really dumb thing to do after the night because mafia DO NOT know if they are a veteran or a jail save. For all we know koshi could be lying and was actually saved and is making a play to get saved again since there's nothing in the op about having to target different people each night.
On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it.
fine, this is actually a really fair point.
I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi.
If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose.
That is a good scenario to happen because then we've stopped 2 mafia kp??? Jailor doesn't have to claim.
Why are you jumping to mafia koshi making the really really suboptimal play of losing 2kp and highlighting himself as obvious mafia if it goes wrong rather than the much more simple version that he's the vet?
On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc... We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc...
Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\
I've literally asked iGrok questions and he just ignores me repeatedly. What am I supposed to do?
I don't think I've been too stubborn to interact, I'm well open to iGrok being town and voting off the afk shitters like Artanis etc but just stone walled repeatedly and it's like pulling teeth to get anyone that's not ve/disfo or eventually bugs to interact with anything.
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 06:40 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote: wait.
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D
Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet?
Then stop making summaries as if you've fully caught up yet then lol. Just read and make a summary of everything and what you think :/
On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D
read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him
I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it.
why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy?
Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy.
On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo.
Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people.
On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes?
On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me.
I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why!
iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post:
On May 22 2019 06:40 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote: wait.
On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote: Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break.
On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.
I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.
HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.
HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him.
How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D
Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet?
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
Good thing you're fine with the now unavoidable lynch 30 min before deadline.
page 97 22:02 tl time page 102 22:37 tl time
35 minutes to read 5 pages + make some posts in thread
On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
22:50 page 158
13 minutes to read 56 pages after that + make posts in thread?
I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people?
I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town.
On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote: Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people.
Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore.
You gotta learn to let go my man. Last game isn't real anymore, just history. Be free rayn, be free.
On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people?
I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town.
I'm town and I refused to interact with bugs for like 4 irl days. *shrug*
Nah, I get it but that's because of the way he talks to you and the questions are like thrown into 10 pages of long things hidden behind 5 different games.
On May 25 2019 23:01 wherebugsgo wrote: VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads.
I'm perfectly fine with an iGrok lynch. I disagree that the case on him is as cut and dry and Holyflare makes it, but I think it's a good enough shot for today.
You want me to be certain. I can't indulge you and I'm not going to lie to you. I also have a mild scumread on Calix still, if you're reading my posts you saw me disagree with the case on her that rayn put forward, but I read her mafia independently. I'm unsure on a third because there are now 3 PR claims and those will solve themselves I hope, GIVING us the third maybe.
i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier?
On May 25 2019 23:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm about 40% certain iGrok is scum and that's because of the amount of pointless defence he's gotten. But I won't tell you that because in my other thread mind he's 100% scum.
This is his posted read list a while ago when responding to me. It shows VE as red coloured for points up to when he posted it. That's 2 red coloured things on his list and 2 (cut off when he showed the later one) green posts (that aren't actually related to what VE has said, just meta so don't actually know why they are coloured green).
This is his post after with VE not coloured green or red or anything, just white + Show Spoiler +
As you can see, literally nothing has changed other than the cropping but his name has changed colour. He also clarifies the following:
On May 25 2019 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Because his hidden points are no longer hidden? 2 of them were townie?
Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green.
Basically my read on you has never been certain.
So, he's got 2 hidden reads in green (why are there even hidden ones if he was never showing this to begin with who the fuck knows?) but this doesn't correlate with what he's said here:
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
There are 4 hidden points for VE.
Can you please make him clarify when these "hidden points" occurred. It makes a big big lot of difference based on the colouring times.
On May 25 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Gimme a sec Holyflare i need to go to the store real quick first, i will answer your iGrok case right after, since i think you at least deserve an answer whther or not you like the answer.
Ignore the read colouring part, that's subpar compared to the actual case.
Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable?
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.
Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.
Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
BC begins the game saying that the vote train on Rayn is really bad (from me) because I fake claim stuff all the time but this was quite literally nothing to do with fake claiming anything. Straight after he then goes on to say if you voted for Rayn for anything after that you are in the clear for now but he has the following things.
Both of these things are inconsistent AND unrelated to each other. One of them is simply about his view on myself and the other is for everyone else that voted for Rayn after the fact (but I was the first one to vote for rayn for something not to do with the claim too!) so it's a lot of hot air.
On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post.
Early thread leanings
VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town
HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum
Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum
He posts a small read list but there's several inconsistent things related to it. Earlier he said that everyone voting for rayn after the fact is in the clear for now but Jock and myself both voted for rayn after the fact and are null to scum and Rayn is null possible town. This is internally inconsistent with what BC has promoted in the thread. Why is everyone that voted for rayn after the claim thing clear if he town reads rayn?
Calix is also scum but shares this same sentiment, so really the beginning of his post was entirely irrelevant wasn't it? Furthermore, he scum reads Calix for her opening post saying it's anything but "certain" but doesn't evaluate where it's UNcertain. I'd argue it's not really uncertain at all like he makes it out to be, quite the opposite in fact, very hard stances.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying
Both Ruxxar and Calix are on his lean scum reads (Calix being mafia) but his conclusion after this is that Ruxxar AND Calix are mafia or one of them is. It's a bit of a backwards conclusion to make rather than Ruxxar just being town. What you'd be even more confused to know is that this ruxxar conclusion comes BEFORE BC had already made his read list that called ruxxar/calix lean scum/scum so it's already gone back in time to make a weird conclusion that wasn't even necessary if that's what he already concluded in his reads list. Just looks like posturing to me.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
Not knowing why he asked it I answered it and he didn't really provide anything from it. That was until he posted this shortly after:
On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why.
However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people.
He says this is Jock's most damning post (scummy post he implies) but if you read the contents of Jock's post it's exactly what BC was talking about in the start of his opening post! People voting for Rayn after his claim are in the clear. But they aren't when BC mentions them. Can you predict what happens next? It may surprise you!
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He never explains why this Jock post is damning, never elaborates on it, doesn't follow up with Rayn on Jock at all. It's clearly not very damning in the slightest because Jock doesn't even appear in the fucking scum reads after:
On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to.
On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of
On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it?
No plan. I just thought it would be fun.
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to.
Town reads VE HF (god help me)
Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation
Null Everyone else
where is jock? or are you withholding that read (i am super curious after you asked everyone to comment on it) until everyone commented on it? -.-
Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ?
All the meanwhile he is dangling this Jock read like it's the best thing since sliced bread that people need to comment on BUT he's downgrading Rayn all the while even though Rayn's only real points and bull headedness are directed to Jock.
Theres more to why I dislike what youve done in the last 4 pages but Ill hold on to that for now as it may matter later if you continue playing like you are
can you just tell me about it? if you are town then there is no reason you're gonna yell me about it later just because?
You are a good enough player to change what I am seeing if I out it atm. This is purely for my own read of your meta.
If it makes you feel better if I need to bring it up it will be done in a very similar manner to which I did (although wrongly) to HF last game. So you will be able to very clearly see my thought process. I wont bring it up now purely because I don't think you are someone who should even be up to be lynched today and until you post shit that changes my mind on that I dont want to waste more time cluttering the thread when there are better options IMO
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix
Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not.
On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote: Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet
this post right here it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is
gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it!
So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead?
That's really the line you're going with lol?
Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...
I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too.
Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn??
It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
Repeats the same Jock dangling like for an entire page of filter on page 2. Meanwhile, repeat quotes Ruxxar and Calix's opening posts but says no conclusions, just "let's talk about it". Always trying to get people to talk about things and never reaching real conclusions.
On May 20 2019 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: BC, on Jock’s post, I don’t remember if it occurred after my post on rayn or before, the one that Calix said they liked (which was 220 IIRC) but basically I agreed with Jock’s assessment.
Comparing to last game and based on what Jock said post-game I think his posts here are within the bands of what I’d expect for a reasonable town adjustment. My read there is not strong but I do think what rayn has said about him is completely wrong. I’d suggest reading the first few pages without filter diving and see what conclusion you come up with. I’m particularly curious if you think town-rayn would come to the same conclusion and whether you think the aggression is real.
Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself.
On May 20 2019 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. idk what i did except for push my scum read. If you see me and HF as the "same" he does that same thing for different reasons, with less confirmation. I am just trying to get my scumread lynched, if that's what you dislike then.... well whatever. I know you read Jock mafia aswell, i just dont understand how you come up with a different opinion on me atm just because how i did it, and not why.
You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with.
Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all.
BC says he scum leans Jock for different reasons to Rayn but still hasn't elaborated BUT says that Bugs' read of Jock is the best so far and what he was actually looking for???
On May 20 2019 07:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and by best answer, he answered what I was actually looking for.
but Bugs' post was a town read of Jock?????
On May 20 2019 08:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ill be back in like 5-6 ish hours. Doing some family stuff.
Please for the love of god dont turn this thread into a shitshow in the meantime though
Then he fucking vanishes ALONG WITH HIS JOCK READ.
Like what the actual fuck. He's dangled this read, returns to the thread when Bugs is saying we should lynch ruxxar telling bugs he's not going to sheep because he independently has said ruxxar is scummy (but all he's actually done is quote ONE RUXXAR POST ALL GAME) saying that it's scummy even though it AGREES with his conclusion on Calix.
BUT WAIT:
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
AFTER 2 PAGES OF DANGLING THE JOCK READ IT TURNS OUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUGS SAID REALLY AND IT'S LITERALLY JUST "HE'S DONE NOTHING OUTSIDE OF RAYN READ". Like wtf, he's a good cop check, that's it? 2 pages of filter getting a read on jock and it's, oh he's not done much hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Don't even get me started on this DISFORMATION scum read. What's it based off of? The post he quoted earlier that I even rebutted saying it actually made disfo town? Is that it? It's unexplained completely, no backing up, no evidence, nothing. Jock is even just a fucking null read it turns out:
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
Just out of interest bobby do you accept my explanation as to why i have changed my meta so drastically in the first few games??
I would have no need to change my meta if i was mafia, as the only game I have won so far was as mafia. My first two town games were both horrible mistakes - which is why i have deliberately changed my playstyle. I just don't want you to be suspicious of me based off that. I had a very, very solid reason to change the way i was playing when i instantly died in my first two town games.
WOuldn't that make you want to change your playstyle?
I also explained that the adjustments that I have made were due to reading along with the last game. Can you see how the things that were successful in the last game for town are influencing the way I am playing now?
You are still more nullish read to me. Again I want to see more? If you are town me watching for a bit to get a solid read on you. Dont want to repeat last game.
...........
He gives a pass to artanis and igrok because he knows their names or whatever but then Artanis scum reads him for (awful) meta and BC following thread sentiment but BC doesn't even accuse him of the meta being bad he just wants credit for being the first person to scum read them (all he did was quote a first post and put them in a list...) and that's his huge gripe with artanis that he puts him as mafia:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.
From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?
Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.
In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.
Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing.
So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.
Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.
So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 21 2019 01:57 ruXxar wrote: its like a circle jerk of the big dawgs preying on the weak. now that they finally calmed down the mice stick their heads out.
This quite honestly sounds like you are actively reading the thread but opting to not post to avoid the active players. Active players who are trying to figure the game out. Now why wouldn't you want to be helping figure the game out?
I'm fine with this. Just thought it's relevant to build the narrative.
On May 21 2019 06:15 Holyflare wrote: I think my town circle was a bit wrong perhaps.
Makes you feel any better, I feel mine is off as well.
He says he feels his town circle is off too but doesn't elaborate how, nor do we ever find out because as far as I'm aware he still town reads everyone he's listed.
On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote: Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point.
Based on that Logic alone, I would expect you to not view Calix as Mafia given that the post that made you think she was mafia (which was her first game post) is literally the exact same thing you did just replace rayn with her.
Id suggest if you would like to meta read me (which I believe is easy to do) go look at any of my other games. I have well, many spanning back years. So go for it.
Here he deflects a ruxxar point about why he got so defensive with Artanis entirely on its head and makes it about him and Calix?????????????? Dodge much.
On May 21 2019 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH your tone currently sounds super diff than last game VE. Also your auto swap aggro to HF is the shit he is referring to.
Looks like he's souring on VE.
On May 21 2019 09:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yeah. Bugs you can stay in my town circle.
Anyone wondering why anyone (mainly bugs and myself) Are on ruxxar.
1) his first post called out someone for being mafia. This post however was near identical to the person he called mafia.
2) when pushed on said read he highlighted one aspect that made him think calix was red. Which was a read on bugs.
3) subsequently from then he has said town reads, been ok to just swap to other likely wagons (with near no stated reason) and thrown shade without solid commitment to anything.
4) active lurking.
All these things are mafia traits. As such I believe he has a higher likelihood to flip scum. People can keep looking at other people. I mean I want people to keep hunting for the other scum. However the lack of anyone wanting to even comment on ruxxar while trying to bring igrok/calix/anyone else forward is odd.
Scum reads Ruxxar for first post still even though it called his scum read (calix) mafia and for pretty much the same reasons too! No idea what the second read means and 3 and 4 don't really make anyone mafia but I can believe that someone would think that. What I don't understand is why he defends igrok/calix/other people here when he scum reads calix quite a lot, has defended igrok and whatever else? What's wrong with talking about other people? Why doesn't he mention anyone specific that this is bad for? He spent 2 pages getting people to comment on his Jock null read/scum lean so why doesn't he actually do the same when he has mafia points on Ruxxar? Inconsistent thought process to early entirely.
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck.
Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.
I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?
Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?
This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.
and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.
which I don't understand because how is the thread a clusterfuck if everyone is just talking about his TWO BIGGEST SCUM READS??? He's saying this is for people like VE and bugs but what happened to him souring on VE? It disappeared. He says that they should convince people on ruxxar but does nothing about it....
On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\
Basically mine is as followed
Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE
Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok
Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis
His read list... still has disformation in it... for what I can only imagine was that ONE post he quoted at the START of the game like 10 years ago that doesn't mean anything. Calix is literally associative and nothing has changed on her from his perspective and even says they both could still be mafia? So disformation's ONE post outweighs the entirety of his calix dislike? I don't believe it. Artanis is thrown in there for one post effectively also.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WORST THING THOUGH:
On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs.
The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points.
Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently.
Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them.
Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why
THIS ISN'T TRUE. BUGS DID NOT EXPLAIN BC'S JOCK READ BECAUSE BC'S JOCK READ WAS A SCUM LEAN FOR A LONG TIME. It only became "null" later after Jock's argument with rayn/myself.
Disformation is playing well because he calls out BC for it and he doubles down that his read was null!
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
Some question to disfo or whatever and upgrades Calix to a town read after some pages, wants to dive VE but doesn't want to read filter.
Disfo hammers down on BC. +++++++ points for disfo, really good player
On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove.
On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons
A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady.
Basically hes a good cop check?
Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red.
that is _after_ that progression. its like 6-7 hours after you are like "jock is a scum lean, read wbg for my thought progression".
You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum?
You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched.
BC doubles down that his jock read didn't mean anything but it was literally 2 pages of question asking and padding his filter that led absolutely nowhere and then he deflects back to disfo
He goes after conversion who can't name 3 mafia reads as if that makes someone mafia even though he's expressed this game is hard and his mafia reads if you follow his list are up in the air too!
On May 21 2019 20:52 wherebugsgo wrote: disfo, conversion, BC (especially BC, cause you came in with the intention of cleaning up the thread :D)
you're doing that classic town vs town vs town shitfest thing.
Let's back it up a bit, and come to an agreement that you all disagree with each other, and from this standpoint it looks like you're all arguing about completely pointless things when none of the things any of you are pointing out seem scummy to me.
I would like to do this.
I think we need to start working together more.
I'll start with this: ##Unvote
Right conversion, I still think you're scum but my vote will most likely land elsewhere. I'm fed of being being distracted with you putting me on the defensive while I'm trying to figure out more important shit.
WBG: Can you see why I need to figure out calix/koshi??? Calix has almost exactly the same reads as me and is now trying to get the rayn trayn a running. However, Koshi is insisting that calix is scum and we're all stupid for not already knowing that.
So... I need to know whether calix is scum so I can figure out whether or not to reevaluate absolutely everything so far.
What are you thinking on this? I'm sorry for being fucking useless but I don't even know how to figure this shit out at all... especially while koshi isn't here.
Or god help us. Listen to HF and bugs and vote VE. -_- This game does sound completely diff from last game and far less collaborative, or hell, even an attempt at collaboration.
Says jock should listen to hf and bugs and vote VE.
On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote: I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh.
TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well.
Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town.
doubles down on ve maybe being mafia
On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
strike 2 on saying he needs to read VE's filter and not doing it but actually voting him - no reasons for voting him either and STILL HAS THE 3 SAME SCUM READS TOO so what the fuck is VE being voted for exactly?
On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me.
However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up.
Lets look at your first point.
My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing.
Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there.
Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people
Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world
On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it.
What the fuck is this post.
I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job.
Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude.
In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me)
I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with.
Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude.
So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy.
On May 22 2019 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: BC do you really think art has the pull? Those never work out anyway what are you doing?
Has the pull? Maybe? We have like what? less than 7 hours before the deadline and I leave for work in about an hour. Between now and then i'm not around. Even if you doubt his level of pull, he got an auto sheep vote already, and other people actively talking about swinging that way. Given that I think Artanis is showing his mafia hand why wouldnt I at least push back?
Dude. The guy clearly cherry picked my filter / created a false scenario of events on how I am playing.
Really don't dislike this point either. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back.
No idea where Koshi appeared in this list. Either way, still same 3 scum reads as before. His vote wasn't on ruxxar because he voted Artanis... on his own but was afk so it's whatever. Maybe even +++ points because he was one of the leading wagons and didn't vote to save himself at that point in any way despite knowing he had to go afk.
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Sorrow at Ruxxar's flip, summary disagreeing with Bugs on VE. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi look decent and should be protected.
Still on Artanis. rest are in between Calix (his upgraded to town read read (inconsistent!), Igrok (he defends him repeatedly), Conversion (he town read him???????) and disformation (still seemingly on one post......).
These look very incongruent with everything he's said before the flip so I'm not really sure how he gets this list in the slightest! PoE? Needs to reread Calix and iGrok as tunelling 3 scum reads let them slip by (but he town read calix?).
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.
Consistent Artanis read. Don't hate.
Defends VE some more, wants to policy shoot bugs for claiming mafia. Koshi dislike. Afk's rest of night - not really any new info this whole night and bit of an inconsistent who to scum read post. Overall not awful but nothing special. Just existing.
On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1.
Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right.
TBH
Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch.
Myself Calix Igrok Artanis
Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group.
If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least.
I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red.
Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group.
Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix?
Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix?
Then he votes Artanis, defends iGrok again.
On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever.
I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time.
As such
##vote artanis
On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour.
I really don't understand the read because it doesn't look like that at all, static Calix/HF is mafia read not being updated all game.
But then he links to posts which make him feel that way and it feels internally consistent for BC to make this read, so no hate for it.
Gets into some argument with Calix which I don't hate, seems irrelevant though and about game styles.
Backs up his Artanis post.
Asks disfo why he town reads artanis for case on bc which is consistent with BC hating it (obviously).
Asked who if not artanis to vote for then said Calix but not 100%, may just dislike her style. Says iGrok probably town.
Links meta to Artanis saying that he's totally different and that Artanis was even an observer in the game.
Says he wouldn't shoot Koshi.
At this point I'm really bored. If you're reading this part please post a "hello hf" in the thread so I know you're actually reading and you can get a free town read!
Its not bad. I do like it. But I still (currently) would prefer to lynch Artanis. I will spend part of the night at work thinking on it, and on breaks filter diving igrok to get a better read but like, currently still prefer Artanis.
On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok?
I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him.
2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads?
D1 - really inconsistent Jock reads inconsistent - lies? Ever since Artanis read to latch onto internally consistent logic and reads, not awful looking Don't hate his iGrok defences retrospectively because they appear to point out not awful things - looked bad at time in context of thread to me
Post D1 flip has done not much but shows thinking about the game, calm cool and collected, trying to get info on people and disformation. Seems to just be responding rather than digging sometimes but lack of presence can do that.
Conclusion: fucking wasted my time writing this wall and he's probably town
Feel free to make your own conclusions on his jock stances and first part of d1 reads
I was wondering how you concluded 'he's probably town' when a lot of your post was negative and poking holes in BC's D1 play, etc.
I mostly just read him as town because of how different he is from his mafia meta. And I checked multiple games. The only mafia games I found that even REMOTELY resemble BC's filter this game are from ~8 years ago and the main reason he seemed less aggressive is because a lot of posts were talking about setup, roles, etc, as opposed to players.
So overall I'd say meta points towards town.
Not 100% though because, as you pointed out, there is quite a bit to dislike about his play. But yeah.
@WBG, HF is calling BC town in that wall-post, lmao. Believe it or not.
I wondered this myself tbh, I'm not really sure at all :D Maybe because I fucked up the post halfway through and had to find which spoiler I wrote it in that I forgot everything from the start. It's more of a summary really but I don't think the beginning parts are enough to outweigh the meta and the consistency he's had since end of d1 onwards. Looks like he's trying to solve the game at least and seems honest in tone.
On May 26 2019 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm done with this game today. I've been in here senselessly and uselessly since 8am this morning. It's 1:17 here. My vote is on iGrok because I think he's mafia. There's a good wagon on him. He's the lynch. If you don't lynch him it's not my fault.
I don't understand why you say this, you're literally just grovelling to bugs all morning when nobody else is calling you mafia. Either he's wrong or he's right but it shouldn't matter to you because it's not having an effect on you today. Just play the game and don't interact with bugs?
VE, I'm giving you some leniency here. TWO more posts about bugs and woe is me and I'll scum read you. That's a one post buffer in case you want to get it out of the way again.
On May 26 2019 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also dont believe in breadcrumbs. I also say right now that iGrok is 100% town powerrole. You can quote me on that after game.
but you don't think he's a cop with a check on me?
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
one thing that I don't like about iGrok is that he shows that he has thoughts about the game outside of Calix/HF. right there. Artanis is his lowest read, outside of them. He later admits that the HF lynch won't happen, but he still ends up voting HF. weird. now this day, Artanis has a pretty good momentum going for him, and he mentioned that since he knows he's 100% town, he'll vote people to save himself. But he keeps staying on HF???
Why isn't he spending time to case someone else and tunnels onto HF like it's going to get him anywhere, when he says in his filter himself that lynching HF won't get anywhere. why does he think it's going to get him anywhere now?
On May 25 2019 01:06 Conversion wrote: ok read HF's case. cool case.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
one thing that I don't like about iGrok is that he shows that he has thoughts about the game outside of Calix/HF. right there. Artanis is his lowest read, outside of them. He later admits that the HF lynch won't happen, but he still ends up voting HF. weird. now this day, Artanis has a pretty good momentum going for him, and he mentioned that since he knows he's 100% town, he'll vote people to save himself. But he keeps staying on HF???
Why isn't he spending time to case someone else and tunnels onto HF like it's going to get him anywhere, when he says in his filter himself that lynching HF won't get anywhere. why does he think it's going to get him anywhere now?
igrok has posted reads list since then
what's your conclusion on him now?
We seem to see the game in a similar way, from taking a glance at his reads. why aren't you lynching Artanis?
because... I have a wall of text explaining why not....?
On May 26 2019 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote: It can be roleblocked. Unless he's the roleblocker. But he was joking about "YOULL NEVER KNOW WHO THE ROLEBLOCKER IS" earlier so it maybe be him. But if he's mafia he'll just say he was RB.
He COULD be mafia because everything he says is some kind of thread manipulation instead of straightforward answers and reads. Sounds more like he's playing mind games than actually scum hunting and that's mafia alignment 101.
The way he's talking to me is the most buddy buddy psychological manipulation thing I can think of. Not sure if he believes I'm falling for it or something but I pretty much ignore every single one of those posts and think what I want, not what he tells me.
Not really, just mafia read him last game because he was putting more effort into town reading pandain than anything in the game and then he wouldn't listen to any kind of reason or provide evidence to his read. Much more brutish last game than this game imo, even if it sounds like it fits into what he's doing to you/rayn/koshi. Just feels very different to me.
Although what is similar is that everything he says in both games sounds incredibly fake like he doesn't really believe what he's saying but since he was town last game that doesn't really matter.
On May 26 2019 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If iGrok's actually blue why hasn't he claimed yet though? He's on the chopping block. What even was the breadcrumb?
Now that Calix is 100% town and I town cased BC what are your mafia reads?
On May 26 2019 03:49 disformation wrote: sooo... im a bit groggy and making dinner. so brain cell count is fairly low.
but wbg is saying grok is blue. while voting grok.
... ?
I made a giant bc post for you
hello hf (on it while eating)
some considerations: you say his internal logic makes a lot more sense after he could latch onto the art thing. i agree, but isnt it also easier for scum to have a more consitent logic when they can just scum read one dude the whole time? had a scum game where my bread and butter was to make okayish cases about one dude and do the tunnel dance. hard to tell with art being this bleh though.
like id also say he def. does things in his pace and doesnt care if ppl dont like. prolly more towny. (unless like all wagons are town or he is gonna bus hard. though art <> bc double bus would be weird?).
not sure if i agree on the strength of the tr at the end though. like his d1 was really oof.
Yes, but it wasn't just his read on Artanis that was consistent, it was all the rest too after day 1. The tone on n1/d2 reads a lot townier to me. If I was mafia though I could definitely get BC lynched for the day 1 posts I think, that's how bad those points look.
On May 25 2019 10:14 iGrok wrote: I just voted Artanis because of the two of us he’s scummier. Would still prefer HF Lynch.
Am going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home . Maybe I’ll be back before N2.
Coincidentally, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi.
Obviously, you have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away.
On May 26 2019 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I shot Koshi in the dick last game, no respect. None at all.
Like I'm not even going to comment on your BC case because clearly you don't give a shit. You only cared that your townies comment.
Conversely, they're townie BECAUSE they comment! I'm not shafting you on anything, I can't retroactively change my gun target and I'm sorry. I'm working with what I have.
On May 26 2019 05:31 iGrok wrote: I’ve given all my reads, logic etc drawn nice and neatly
You neglected to do one fucking thing. Talk with the one guy that is responsible for leading the other people into lynching you. I had so many questions to ask you and you just decided to ignore them. What more am I going to do than campaign for your lynch even harder when there's logic gaps that you can't even fill in when asked?
I said that too, he was sick of only me in the thread and wanted people he actually likes to come back.
I fucking hate that I wish HF liked me. I'm starting to think I don't anymore.
Dude I don't understand why you think I hate you! I really like you!
You keep posting all these words at me like I'm ignoring you when I respond to literally everything you write! I feel like you feel to bugs just you're using my like of you as a hostage and he's using your alignment as a hostage. Don't gaslight me.
This is his posted read list a while ago when responding to me. It shows VE as red coloured for points up to when he posted it. That's 2 red coloured things on his list and 2 (cut off when he showed the later one) green posts (that aren't actually related to what VE has said, just meta so don't actually know why they are coloured green).
This is his post after with VE not coloured green or red or anything, just white + Show Spoiler +
As you can see, literally nothing has changed other than the cropping but his name has changed colour. He also clarifies the following:
On May 25 2019 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Because his hidden points are no longer hidden? 2 of them were townie?
Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green.
Basically my read on you has never been certain.
So, he's got 2 hidden reads in green (why are there even hidden ones if he was never showing this to begin with who the fuck knows?) but this doesn't correlate with what he's said here:
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
There are 4 hidden points for VE.
Can you please make him clarify when these "hidden points" occurred. It makes a big big lot of difference based on the colouring times.
On May 26 2019 05:36 iGrok wrote: Oh this is funny I’ll respond: I’m not responding to HF because he’s pure mafia so why would I interact with him when it will just give him more points to try to twist logic
did you claim blue like bugs says?
What? When the fuck did he say I did that? That’s trash and I’m town
he is sure because i am mafia and we (me and you are opposing alignments) and apparently you "claimed" blue.
Lol at no point did I claim blue or fake claim or any of that shit. I did maybe hint that I knew your parity cop claim was fake because it felt so obviously fake and is such a rayn thing to do d1
What games have you played with rayn to make this assumption?
Rayn was in none of these games? Which ones aren't in the database?
On May 25 2019 10:14 iGrok wrote: I just voted Artanis because of the two of us he’s scummier. Would still prefer HF Lynch.
Am going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home . Maybe I’ll be back before N2.
Coincidentally, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi.
Obviously, you have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away.
Peace
^ this is igrok's breadcrumb by the way
read the first caps letters
Interesting. And you are gunsmith. Ugh. Weird game.
Is gunsmith town only?I assume it is.
I am thinking.
I'm not gunsmith.
That's not even his post, I edited it -.- keep up fam
On May 26 2019 05:36 iGrok wrote: Oh this is funny I’ll respond: I’m not responding to HF because he’s pure mafia so why would I interact with him when it will just give him more points to try to twist logic
did you claim blue like bugs says?
What? When the fuck did he say I did that? That’s trash and I’m town
he is sure because i am mafia and we (me and you are opposing alignments) and apparently you "claimed" blue.
Lol at no point did I claim blue or fake claim or any of that shit. I did maybe hint that I knew your parity cop claim was fake because it felt so obviously fake and is such a rayn thing to do d1
What games have you played with rayn to make this assumption?
Rayn was in none of these games? Which ones aren't in the database?
On May 26 2019 05:57 iGrok wrote: Damnit Koshi, only since it’s you.
There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green
So there's 2 green and 2 null AT THE TIME YOU POSTED THAT LIST which was early game. EARLY game. Thus, including the 2 green points already highlighted on your reads list that makes 4 total green points to VE. But in your screenshot you posted VE was red even though he had that many green points???
Just so it's not clear iGrok has been caught out in a time loop by answering that post. I can prove it with his own screenshots if people don't understand.
This is iGrok's screenshot of his read list early. Note his VE read is red even though if you look at hius later posts there's 2 green counts on his name early game.
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
This is the post where he says VE has 4 hidden points (points that aren't on this read screenshot) and now that he's finally elaborated that this means 2 green points and 2 null points extra that brings VE up to a total of 4 green points and 2 red points at the time of the above screenshotted post.
On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior?
I didn't use it to attack you, I rescinded it almost immediately.
On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior?
I didn't use it to attack you, I rescinded it almost immediately.
I wanted to get more information out of rayn and his claim because he said he would vote you if he found the breadcrumb but then you turned up and I didn't want you to actually claim a blue role and it become a whole thing so I rescinded it immediately to stop it devolving into a shit show.
This is iGrok's screenshot of his read list early. Note his VE read is red even though if you look at hius later posts there's 2 green counts on his name early game.
On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
This is the post where he says VE has 4 hidden points (points that aren't on this read screenshot) and now that he's finally elaborated that this means 2 green points and 2 null points extra that brings VE up to a total of 4 green points and 2 red points at the time of the above screenshotted post.
On May 26 2019 06:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Conversion he's either doing the BC scumpost thing because he hasn't given us an obvious enough scumtell yet or trying to get a reaction. It looks ridiculous if you read it though lol.
WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING SO MUCH AND WHY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POSTING NOT POSTING AND WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE MAFIA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH
On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok?
I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him.
2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads?
Town BC Bugs VE(i know right)
Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock
Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion
Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I
LITERALLY ARTANIS one of his mafia reads why is he getting so angry??????
On May 26 2019 06:16 iGrok wrote: Sorry bb I’m a little pissed off atm
You only bring it upon yourself for scum reading literally the only guy that could have saved you and ignoring every time I could have talked to you and deescalated the situation. The thread is only as big as it is because you refuse to answer simple points and look worse so people are forced to repeat themselves about you over and over again.
You contribute to the thread length in ways unbeknownst to many.
Votes are now like [iGrok 6, Artanis 3, Calix 2] IIRC.
That doesn't seem very sensible for mafia to do?
Could we vote off a spammy mafia instead? If this spam continues, all the townies will get frustrated/ drowned out, lol.
He had always voted to kill himself. He was always in the lead with no ability to save himself. Don't get tricked like day 1 where he just does the same thing again and it worked on you.
On May 26 2019 06:10 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Calix
You can all fuck off. Artanis is maybe mafia but Calix is 1000% mafia.
Maybe hf is also mafia. Maybe he would shoot me Indont care.
Fuck you all for lynching iGrok.
❤iGrok
Why are you getting off your possible SCUM READ to someone who most likely won't be lynched today????? save iGrok by convincing people to lynch Artanis
Calix/conversion/disfo my town reads. Maybe calix might drop off if she wants to vote ve/rayn when ve isn't here and rayn has literally posted shit all today. I dunno, maybe not.
3 irl days for a day cycle is too long I've decided :D
it would have been fine if we had the people that were in the last game and that's why I suggested it really but most of the people in this game are high activity so it bit too long
On May 26 2019 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm actually having a great time so fuck you all.
Me too :D
I'm not really sure what's going on but igrok hasn't commented on my post again and the evidence is kinda damning so hey ho, we're on the right track for now.
For the good of the thread I will leave for approximately 1 hour to give iGrok some breathing room so he can chat it out with you guys and maybe you can quote that post I made against him asking why VE was red or something, that'd be swell. Figuring him out is key.
On May 26 2019 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what this forum needs?
Nazgul was kind enough to gift us the Filter button after joining us in a game that one time. I'm almost certain the Mods have its converse, a Filter-Out button. That way, once you have a read on someone and you're annoyed with their posts a la VE, you can just filter them out until you WANT to see their posts again. Can you imagine? Would that be too OP?
You have also conflated so many erroneous things to say that I'm mafia. I scum read jock and igrok therefore I'm mafia? I scum read jock for about 1 whole page because of an inconsistency and never have since? Is that your evidence for me being mafia lol?
Everything you write is so fake and unbelievable. That's your mafia weakness unfortunately. Now you've decided to turn it to me that was your biggest mistake.
Jailer - Targets a player each night, that player is both protected from being killed and roleblocked (unable to use any powers that night). The targeted player is still susceptible to other effects.[Optional]
On May 26 2019 06:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright, right now I think it might be iGrok/Disfo/?, with the ? being one of Rayn/BC/Maybe Calix. Jock/Conversion/WBG/HF/VE are never mafia. Koshi's claim should resolve itself.
Peace.
Why was calix here when campaigning igrok over you?
that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP.
you talked about your host given role pm and how it was formatted and it's just like mine so you will never ever be lynched by me or campaigned for being mafia
It's not thread public knowledge how your PM from a host is worded is it? Mine is exactly the same so, no, it is modkill worthy. I also do not mind being modkilled if you think I took advantage of that (which I haven't) other than unfortunately knowing you're town.
On May 26 2019 18:30 Holyflare wrote: Like now I know your claim is legit because:
I'm:
gunsmith
that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP.
you talked about your host given role pm and how it was formatted and it's just like mine so you will never ever be lynched by me or campaigned for being mafia
I mean, I didn't quote the PM at all? That's literally how my role appears, I'm going to claim it as I received it, and state that it does not match what's in the OP because that's the truth.
Like, I didn't believe Koshi's roleclaim partly because it was bolded and in blue and that does not match what was clarified publically in this thread.
1. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
Quite literally right there. All lower case, confirmed town. Congrats for ruining the game, for mafia at least
I didn't do anything of the sort at the start of the game. I saw publicly available knowledge that the VT role was called VT from the host correction (and my PM ) and used it to case rayn. Never mentioned the specifc case of my PM or anything and dropped it after he claimed blue.
On May 26 2019 18:44 Calix wrote: Not gonna lie, I was really confused when WBG basically flipped his reads after iGrok's flip and started gunning for HF and even considering having HF shot over VE.
But then HF made that horrible Jailer claim. Which is never legitimate since HF didn't try gunning for Koshi and actually thought WBG was scummy for being so dead-set on mafia!Koshi which makes 0 sense if HF is Jailer. He also hasn't revealed who the 'confirmed townie' is that he jailed N1.
Now HF is rambling on about modkills or some other nonsense and it looks really bad.
So I am chill with HF/ VE dying.
Also I guess this means I might have had pretty bad reads this game? lol
Nah, you had good reads n1 onwards, it's why I dropped my case on you halfway through writing it and thought you were townie. Still don't know about disfo but yeah, solid.
Rayn and Koshi have largely just afkd d2 and auto voted actual mafia so I don't particularly think they've been toxic at all lately.
You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read.
On May 26 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote: Rayn and Koshi have largely just afkd d2 and auto voted actual mafia so I don't particularly think they've been toxic at all lately.
You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read.
And you wanted to lynch our power roles because you couldn't see why town would claim there and didn't listen to any logic why :D
On May 26 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote: Calix/Artanis and VE or disfo, one of those.
How did you work this out?
Calix because she didn't understand the role pm stuff. Then working on that logic calix pushed for an igrok lynch over artanis thus the mafia lynch of choice was to save artanis. Artanis and calix were on iGrok and unless mafia are bussing artanis then the other people on the wagon are VE and disfo.
Think I probably would have switched to artanis at deadline if I was awake or if it was ever at a reasonable time. Not fun without shenanigans and igrok looked pretty townie fucking off.
I'm not complaining VE but I think you're mafia because as soon as bugs claimed a power role you went straight into pleading with him rather than thinking he was mafia. Now bugs is confirmed town I can see why.
On May 26 2019 20:19 Holyflare wrote: I'm not complaining VE but I think you're mafia because as soon as bugs claimed a power role you went straight into pleading with him rather than thinking he was mafia. Now bugs is confirmed town I can see why.
And you can't see me doing this as town HF?
This is something I'd only do as mafia?
K thx for revealing yourself as one of the bads at long last. FINALLY I can quit trying to be like you.
I think as town you'd be a lot more sceptical of the claim, yeah. Dunno why you're getting irate with me I'll probably be modkilled soon. If it's not you it's probably disfo but he reacted well to my vt claim so you have to prove the last mafia bussed artanis instead.
It's poe. I think mafia tried to save artanis by voting igrok instead of bussing him so yeah. Coupled with 90% of your posts essentially just being about bugs for the last day+ I don't have anything else to go on. You've pretty much been free to vote on every wagon when called to and just sheeping instead of making your own reads and being resolute.
On May 26 2019 20:28 Holyflare wrote: It's poe. I think mafia tried to save artanis by voting igrok instead of bussing him so yeah. Coupled with 90% of your posts essentially just being about bugs for the last day+ I don't have anything else to go on. You've pretty much been free to vote on every wagon when called to and just sheeping instead of making your own reads and being resolute.
I've been mafia on iGrok and Calix all game. You might know this if you gave a shit or were reading any of my posts. You aren't/haven't though in spite of what you say.
You're right. I gave up reading your posts properly about a day ago when I told you to stop talking about bugs and you didn't.
On May 26 2019 20:28 Holyflare wrote: It's poe. I think mafia tried to save artanis by voting igrok instead of bussing him so yeah. Coupled with 90% of your posts essentially just being about bugs for the last day+ I don't have anything else to go on. You've pretty much been free to vote on every wagon when called to and just sheeping instead of making your own reads and being resolute.
I've been mafia on iGrok and Calix all game. You might know this if you gave a shit or were reading any of my posts. You aren't/haven't though in spite of what you say.
You're right. I gave up reading your posts properly about a day ago when I told you to stop talking about bugs and you didn't.
AND NOW LOOK WHERE WE ARE
AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS ENDED UP BEING AN IMPORTANT FACTOR
AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS TOWNREADING ME ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS GOING FORWARD IN THE GAME
AS IT TURNS OUT THIS IS THE FIFTH FUCKING PRESCIENT THING VE HAS DONE IN THIS GAME
Sorry, your posts are overwhelming even to me. I don't want to have to parse out information between the incessant spam because while I don't hate spamming I hate spamming that leads nowhere and trying to get bugs to town read you is a net negative because it's led everyone else to scum read you.
Just spam about your reads and why they're mafia instead. Best way to prove you are town.
On May 26 2019 20:28 Holyflare wrote: It's poe. I think mafia tried to save artanis by voting igrok instead of bussing him so yeah. Coupled with 90% of your posts essentially just being about bugs for the last day+ I don't have anything else to go on. You've pretty much been free to vote on every wagon when called to and just sheeping instead of making your own reads and being resolute.
I've been mafia on iGrok and Calix all game. You might know this if you gave a shit or were reading any of my posts. You aren't/haven't though in spite of what you say.
You're right. I gave up reading your posts properly about a day ago when I told you to stop talking about bugs and you didn't.
AND NOW LOOK WHERE WE ARE
AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS ENDED UP BEING AN IMPORTANT FACTOR
AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS TOWNREADING ME ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS GOING FORWARD IN THE GAME
AS IT TURNS OUT THIS IS THE FIFTH FUCKING PRESCIENT THING VE HAS DONE IN THIS GAME
Sorry, your posts are overwhelming even to me. I don't want to have to parse out information between the incessant spam because while I don't hate spamming I hate spamming that leads nowhere and trying to get bugs to town read you is a net negative because it's led everyone else to scum read you.
Just spam about your reads and why they're mafia instead. Best way to prove you are town.
Yeah I'm literally never taking your advice again. Ever. On anything.
On May 26 2019 20:44 Holyflare wrote: Let's just lynch calix tomorrow and team up with rayn and koshi then?
What are you not getting here? Bugs either is town and thinks I'm mafia and will stop at nothing, or he's mafia and has made his choice. One of the two of us is dead in the morning. And everyone that's left HATES me and rayn and Koshi. There's not going to be any "teaming up with rayn and koshi" tomorrow. This game is over.
Bugs is confirmed town, he used his role pm as evidence.
They have to rb jock and kill rayn so he gets no checks. Or rb rayn and kill koshi and hope jock follows through with his plan to shoot bc or me which would be a colossal error seeing as we're about the only 2 confirmed town + bugs in the game.
On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what did i do that was bad?
You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games.
Well then please, you, tell me where i was over the line offensive in this game because i cant see it?
I don't think you've crossed the line this game at least for me. They way you play can definitely ruffle some feathers in that you get tunneled on one thing you think makes someone 100% mafia and you go further on it than almost anyone, but I don't think you stepped out of line at all that I recall. I'm mostly talking about the postgame chat here where there's no need to 'but what about...' at the end when WBG basically had a Rayntunnel on VE all game
Which is exactly why i said it's not his fault. Like i understand i was probably at least the part of reason why Calix got disinterested in the game (my honest opinion is that Jock never should have in the first place), but at least i didn't comment on basically everything she said and shit on it. Every time VE tried to do something (i remember best the time when i talked with him about Conversion) bugs came in with some good 50 posts to tilt him again, and VE always bites. What gives?
I don't really care if someone gets tunneled or is wrong, that's part of the game, but i also don't really like being called something i didn't do, especially when he himself and definitely HF (on D2) were far far "worse" in said same activity.
On May 30 2019 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what did i do that was bad?
You have a very different set of values as to what is important as well as what is offensive and what isn't compared to most players on the site. You know that, Joni. It often creates friction where there really is no need. The community is small enough as is and I'd prefer we all try and get along, lest it becomes impossible to have more games.
Well then please, you, tell me where i was over the line offensive in this game because i cant see it?
I don't think you've crossed the line this game at least for me. They way you play can definitely ruffle some feathers in that you get tunneled on one thing you think makes someone 100% mafia and you go further on it than almost anyone, but I don't think you stepped out of line at all that I recall. I'm mostly talking about the postgame chat here where there's no need to 'but what about...' at the end when WBG basically had a Rayntunnel on VE all game
Which is exactly why i said it's not his fault. Like i understand i was probably at least the part of reason why Calix got disinterested in the game (my honest opinion is that Jock never should have in the first place), but at least i didn't comment on basically everything she said and shit on it. Every time VE tried to do something (i remember best the time when i talked with him about Conversion) bugs came in with some good 50 posts to tilt him again, and VE always bites. What gives?
I don't really care if someone gets tunneled or is wrong, that's part of the game, but i also don't really like being called something i didn't do, especially when he himself and definitely HF (on D2) were far far "worse" in said same activity.
What?
you tunneled iGrok D2.
i mean you shut down basically everything else and tunneled iGrok.
I think you should reread though cos all I did was make 2 cases on igrok and then try and get him to answer some basic questions so I could reevaluate but he didn't answer. If deadline was actually eu time I probably would have switched to artanis because of igrok disappearing at deadline instead of helping. Looked pretty townie.
Not gonna apologise for trying to get town into a direction by making tunnelled cases when the wagons are like 2/2/3 either :D
Literally everyone just spamming and nobody trying to get people to consolidate. That's the problem the town had all game. Sure, calix could have been mafia d2 and you guys were on her but so what if she was if you can convince nobody to switch? Pointless imo. Town needs help and direction.
I dunno how to avoid that modkill though. Either I shut up and get bugs modkilled through pm or it just compromises his alignment to me. Probably should have just done the shutting up thing I guess otherwise I would have feel like I cheated.
On May 30 2019 20:40 Holyflare wrote: I dunno how to avoid that modkill though. Either I shut up and get bugs modkilled through pm or it just compromises his alignment to me. Probably should have just done the shutting up thing I guess otherwise I would have feel like I cheated.
Funnily enough you shoyld have been modkilled for the second post you posted in game. Or i dont remember, maybe third.
Why? It was host given information and not really a case?
On May 30 2019 20:40 Holyflare wrote: I dunno how to avoid that modkill though. Either I shut up and get bugs modkilled through pm or it just compromises his alignment to me. Probably should have just done the shutting up thing I guess otherwise I would have feel like I cheated.
Funnily enough you shoyld have been modkilled for the second post you posted in game. Or i dont remember, maybe third.
Why? It was host given information and not really a case?
Ah i see, specific phrasing of role pm is host given information but specific phrasing of role pm is not. Gotcha.
Pretty much! Then you should be modkilled for posting role pm? :D
For anyone that cares I made some really really inefficient code to track all of our word counts. I eliminated all the quote blocks so it's just solely all of your words. I hope :D
Also, let it be known, fuck threading.
BloodyC0bbler - 1,051 average per page / 53 words per post 9463
wherebugsgo - 1,666 average per page / 83 words per post 48315
Koshi - 320 average per page / 16 words per post 12162
Holyflare - 743 average per page / 37 per post 26003
VisceraEyes - 551 average per page / 28 per post 24245
Conversion - 1,084 average per page / 54 per post 8673
Jockmcplop - 664 average per page / 33 per post 14610
iGrok - 739 average per page / 37 per post 6655
raynpelikoneet - 473 average per page / 24 per post 11341
ruXxar - 592 average per page / 30 per post 1183
disformation - 673 average per page / 34 per post 13459
Artanis[Xp] - 714 average per page / 36 per post 7853
Calix - 1,003 average per page / 50 per post 15044
URL for a laugh at my coding Never done any coding before so this was an experience. All I've learnt is that bugs posts a hell of a lot of words.
On May 31 2019 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: How did you even start to learn to do that? Like, if you've never coded before where did you start looking for shit to parse website forums that's where you started nevermind.
Google automate the boring stuff with python. I got up to about the dictionaries chapter and then googled around for web scraping codes and made my own. Pretty different way of thinking about things coding but it appeals to my logic brain pretty hard. Never done any coding before in my life other than the exercises there briefly.
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