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On May 19 2019 17:26 Jockmcplop wrote: I was confused by that. I thought someone had jokingly figured out a way to make it look like he joined, but then he was here and there was much joy. Which jock are we getting this game? I hope it's the good fun one.p | ||
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On May 19 2019 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ay' i am only a boring town vanilla. I can only imagine the OP said something about vt being called town vanilla or from what it looks like in FF's post, not at all, and rayn tried to emulate it in some smart mafia ploy but got called out by the hosts. On May 19 2019 15:04 Fecalfeast wrote: I have been asked multiple questions about VT and I will admit the OP was unclear. The VT role is now listed in the OP and this should fix all questions. The official name for the role in this game is VT. Any further questions about roles should be answered by some combination of the role list and the FAQ but if not feel free to pm myself or grackaroni | ||
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On May 19 2019 18:23 Jockmcplop wrote: This music makes mafia better btw I would recommend especially on full volume on a Sunday morning. This sounds just like when I went to the music shop the other day and like 8000 people are sitting there testing out drums. I prefer my music to sound a tad less like 1000 cats being stuck in a washing machine though, but different strokes and all that. | ||
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On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around ??????????????????? Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: What? I copy pasted my first post from last game and changed some words and order lol. Now he's retroactively justifying it :D!!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 19 2019 20:57 Jockmcplop wrote: What do you think about the weird townread WBG made on you? Its not like anything you have posted would confirm you as town right? He's correct so either he's mafia or a very astute townie. I tend to assume the people agreeing with me are good so I'm going with the latter until proven otherwise. I mean, if it was a damning point against rayn then I can only really make that post as town hf. I guess you could argue I'd be mafia hf learning that the host didn't put the words VT in the OP and seeing rayn typing it wrong and then making a fake case against him to put artificial pressure there and shit up the thread but that's entirely way too convoluted and I'd probably (probably) never think to do that as mafia. It's not out of the realm of possibility bugs is mafia here but I'll see what happens. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around One of those is saying you're talking about my alignment and the other is talking about my point about rayn. What exactly is your stance on the Rayn post? | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? | ||
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So what if he's mafia? On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now. This post is just silly because regardless of his alignment or role pm he could have simply just done the same thing without a plan and said the exact same things. Nothing about his alignment changes his response, it's the things he does (or doesn't) do after that do! I haven't heard the trademark rayn calling me mafia, nor have I really heard ANYTHING. That is why rayn is mafia ladies and gentleman. Case closed. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:28 VisceraEyes wrote: HF playing with unwarranted confidence is like, par for the course regardless of his alignment. He may be right that rayn is mafia, but that he's trying to angleshoot to prove it and back it up with bad meta is.,...boring af. Does anyone have any suspicions that do NOT have to do with rayn and his role PM? ??? Where in this game have I used META to try and say rayn is mafia? He's quite clearly around, has seen everything in this game that has happened and just makes the odd post every now and again. He's not doing ANYTHING but is actively POSTING which is quite categorically a mafia trait (unless you're holyflare). The fact you ignore all those other points and focus on the one comment that was clearly in jest (about rayn calling me mafia, which isn't really meta and he does it as either alignment anyway) is boring, my friend. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote: OH MAN, I think BUGS might be mafia this game! This should be a REALLY INTERESTING game. Very possible, quite different to last game currently. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I disagree with your summation of rayn's play. I mean let me go look at his filter, but it looks like you disliked his entrance and have just been freaking out since, there's no indication that rayn is "obviously around" or "making posts now and again" or "ACTIVELY POSTING" as you say. The crux of your case is an angleshoot based on role PMs and how he entered the thread. And yes, you tried to back it up with a throw-away meta statement. So yes, I'm bored. I mean, you can disagree with the points sure but you can definitely see for yourself that he's around because he's posted on pretty much every page recently and even has posts on this page. | ||
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On May 19 2019 21:48 Holyflare wrote: I mean, you can disagree with the points sure but you can definitely see for yourself that he's around because he's posted on pretty much every page recently and even has posts on this page. If it wasn't clear: First points on rayn maybe mean something but unlikely. ACTUAL points on rayn are the lack of contribution entirely while still being around in the thread. Nothing more than that. | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: The only thing that bothers me is that he is pretty much saying he is dumb but i dont think he is dumb. He doesn't say he's dumb, anywhere. He just says that he doesn't really like your response because it's weird (which it was) and THEN he doesn't like your follow up because you've not really done anything to scum hunt, spread suspicion or prove yourself town. Simple. | ||
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I literally don't even know what this case is supposed to highlight? What makes him mafia? | ||
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On May 19 2019 23:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Opportunistic hop onto rayn wagon that contradicts his prior posting. It seemed obvious enough to me... How is it contradictory? | ||
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On May 19 2019 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote: As I said in my post DIRECTLY ABOVE that one HF, the first post heavily implies that he thinks rayn is town, that the town vanilla did NOT bother him. Clearly. But then in the second one he says he thinks rayn got host-fucked. It's a clear contradiction, are you really doing this? I don't think it's a clear contradiction in the slightest if you read any kind of context or tone into the post? On May 19 2019 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you my friend VE? On May 19 2019 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I am your friend. We will rule together. I, too, am vanilla town. On May 19 2019 12:35 iGrok wrote: I am also friendly, and wearing black tie attire He doesn't say he's friends with rayn, nor that he town reads rayn in any capacity (and even if he did, he doesn't say anywhere that it would be for his first post at all). It's simply a joke-y entrance following suit with what you've posted. I don't think it's contradictory to not even think about Rayn's post being a slip into having someone call it out into voting that person, since that's what bugs, myself, jock and calix kind of did (but really it's not for the first post at all). Don't really know why I'm writing all these words defending iGrok tbh, maybe I just don't like logical inconsistency. You can call him mafia for hopping on the bandwagon for BAD reasons (just SOLELY doing it for the VT post is bad at this stage when people are voting rayn for other reasons). | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am simply going to consider anyone who doesn't agree with me mafia right here because this is a fucking 100% slam dunk case. You don't have the good case that you think you do, you've muddied the meaning of two posts to be about one topic. He doesn't think you're scummy for the first post, he thinks you're weird and it's interesting you'd even do it. He thinks you're scummy for your lack of doing anything after. He then questions why you did the post you did to begin with but doesn't actually say that's the reason he's scum reading you, more that he wants to know why you even did it to begin with. | ||
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On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix Please elaborate on specifics on when Calix did these things so that I can cross reference what you actually mean and if it's bs or not. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to think Holyfare is in fact mafia too. No, you're just being dumb or actually mafia and conflating things into a narrative. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of You can read Rayn's filter and see "oh look he's posted reads on people" and whatever nonsense rayn keeps repeating like he believes he actually did something this game at the start that was worthy of being town read but when you actually get to the meat and veg of what rayn was posting it's entirely defensive drivel and based off of a defence of himself. I totally agreed with Jock when he said it. Now, I may have a different view of rayn because he's actually got a bit of a fire going but that doesn't mean he can't be mafia still. He may just have found something to latch onto that he will aggressively push to the ends of the earth and berate everyone from not seeing how obvious™ it was. Truth is, Rayn always whines about how he just plays these games to solve it and at the start of it he was doing a whole lot of shit all and not much solving. No interest in doing what he says he always wants to do BUT he was actually present in the thread. My read. Null :D | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. This one actually is a fucking slam dunk case. I have never been this sure without a check except for the rsoultin mderg not voting for each other case. And the ms paint one. This is top three and this is 100%. You can do whatever you want but he is mafia. I dont care if you, town, or both realise it in this game or after but i am not going to do anything but say this until i am dead or he is lynched. Your reasons literally don't make a single bit of sense. You were in the thread for a whole lot of time while there was a case on you and you did absolutely shit all up to the point Jock said he scum read you for doing nothing. You were IN THE THREAD DOING NOTHING. If you think this is a slam dunk case then I can only assume you are mafia and are just going to use it as a massive excuse to whine and afk and berate people for not seeing how obvious it was. | ||
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Calix iGrok Bugs Then there's just like: Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????) probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I posted fucking once between his NAI -> scumread and said i thought it was funny which is what he said too lol. Your opening post being non alignment indicative does not mean your OTHER posts are not alignment indicative. You have 6 posts total before he calls you a scum read. A fair few of those are posts AFTER I've accused you of being mafia for your opening (of which he eventually finds NAI). So, you've seen a case on you, you're not responding other than with a few word answers and you're not making any conclusions to defend yourself, call someone mafia or solve the game. I think it's well within his remit to call you mafia for that. I called you mafia for that and you haven't called me mafia, so what makes me any different? iGrok called you mafia JUST FOR YOUR OPENING POST even though I admitted that was fake-ish pressure (and he posted after I said that!) and I called you mafia for other reasons before then! Why are you not voting him? Calix just jumped on your bandwagon and called you mafia even though you said you had many content related posts. Why are you not voting her over Jock (yes, I know you DID vote her previously but your Jock post is in no way any less "damning" than any of these other people). Bugs literally just sheeped me but didn't really allude to what part of it he was actually really sheeping, again, no vote on him. Soooo what do you want me to think here rayn? That you just let all these people slide and focus on Jock, the guy I think looks by far and large the most townie out of them all? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: He formed an opinion on me always based on what pther people said, never on what i said. This is the truth. Why does that make anyone mafia???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Why does that make anyone mafia???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? like you KNOW KNOW KNOW this is even bull shit, he didn't always change his opinion based on what people said, he went AGAINST my case on your opening post saying it wasn't really alignment indicative | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: For you, you are right. I was doing a whole lot of nothing. So was everyone else. Except for you, you were shitting up the thread with said nonsense. No opinions, only facts, and this is a fact. So fuck you. If you want to berate me personally for presenting facts then so be it. It doesn't make me mafia and it makes you look pathetic. If you agree with the points that you did nothing but were present that's all I need to know and that's primarily why half the game scum read(s) you. I don't agree with your Jock read and I don't think it's entirely accurate and as solid as you believe it to be. Sorry that that's the case but it is what it is. Let's move on because I don't think it's going to convince anyone else either. Who else would you lynch that's not me or Jock? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: FYI idiots i wrote my psot like 3 hrs before the game started because: Why are we idiots? Literally nobody voted you for that reason and we can't mind read that you decided pre-game that it would be hilarious to write a post 1 minute after the game started. The only one that actually thinks you're mafia for it is iGrok and you're not voting him and apparently he's not even your top 3 votes after Jock, Calix and I? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then please actually read the thread and tell me why jock and bugs voted for me? I.... did... like 3 times. On May 20 2019 06:40 Holyflare wrote: You don't have the good case that you think you do, you've muddied the meaning of two posts to be about one topic. He doesn't think you're scummy for the first post, he thinks you're weird and it's interesting you'd even do it. He thinks you're scummy for your lack of doing anything after. He then questions why you did the post you did to begin with but doesn't actually say that's the reason he's scum reading you, more that he wants to know why you even did it to begin with. On May 20 2019 06:55 Holyflare wrote: Your reasons literally don't make a single bit of sense. You were in the thread for a whole lot of time while there was a case on you and you did absolutely shit all up to the point Jock said he scum read you for doing nothing. You were IN THE THREAD DOING NOTHING. If you think this is a slam dunk case then I can only assume you are mafia and are just going to use it as a massive excuse to whine and afk and berate people for not seeing how obvious it was. On May 20 2019 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Your opening post being non alignment indicative does not mean your OTHER posts are not alignment indicative. You have 6 posts total before he calls you a scum read. A fair few of those are posts AFTER I've accused you of being mafia for your opening (of which he eventually finds NAI). So, you've seen a case on you, you're not responding other than with a few word answers and you're not making any conclusions to defend yourself, call someone mafia or solve the game. I think it's well within his remit to call you mafia for that. I called you mafia for that and you haven't called me mafia, so what makes me any different? iGrok called you mafia JUST FOR YOUR OPENING POST even though I admitted that was fake-ish pressure (and he posted after I said that!) and I called you mafia for other reasons before then! Why are you not voting him? Calix just jumped on your bandwagon and called you mafia even though you said you had many content related posts. Why are you not voting her over Jock (yes, I know you DID vote her previously but your Jock post is in no way any less "damning" than any of these other people). Bugs literally just sheeped me but didn't really allude to what part of it he was actually really sheeping, again, no vote on him. Soooo what do you want me to think here rayn? That you just let all these people slide and focus on Jock, the guy I think looks by far and large the most townie out of them all? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: because i had nothing to say when people were sheeping this: ?????????????????????? Point to me in the thread where people were sheeping this? Literally only iGrok has voted you for this reason. Wherebugsgo, voting you for your lack of follow up to it or any kind of fire and passion (sheeping me). Jock, DEFENDING your opening post but voting you for your lack of follow up or passion (sheeping me). Calix (sheep). iGrok, voting you for nonsense <---- currently best vote in the game | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: L O fucking L, that's the shittiest case you have ever made HF, and you can't even realise what actually happened because of it. Those people are voting for me because of that shit. I didn't even see FF's clarification of the VT role when i wrote my post you called "Now he's retroactively justifying it :D!!!!!!!!". This is so factually incorrect it's quite funny. I don't think you're this oblivious to the thread usually so why so ignorant of why people are voting you? | ||
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When he returned to the thread there were the following 2-3 points against rayn: 1) Rayn's opening post 2) Rayn's lack of doing anything afterwards and no passion mean rayn is mafia 3) Rayn hasn't tried to solve the game At this point Jock/HF/Bugs (and calix?? need to double check) are voting for Rayn for reasons that aren't 1) because 1) was a fake case and literally just pressure. iGrok comes and votes Rayn for 1). ##vote iGrok | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why are we trying to kill iGrok while he said he’s on a plane? I think his vote post is strange but it’s equally strange to try to pressure/kill someone who up front said they’re not going to be here for a while. It accomplishes very little and inevitably iGrok will just come back and complain for being voted while afk regardless of alignment. Unless he's on a plane for the entirety of a 72 hour cycle then I'm sure a few votes on him to get him lynched aren't going to hurt him, are they? You even agree his post is strange (it's scummy) so what's the problem? | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ? I think that's more a townie mindset? He's not concerned about what your read of him is (something mafia are normally hyper aware of) and is more concerned where you put a figure that people are talking about (Jock). Stuff like that, even if little, leads me to think disfo isn't that bad looking. At least for now, which is extremely superficially atm. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:55 wherebugsgo wrote: You know he’s town? btw I didn’t see anyone else mention this and I’m sad because I wanted a free town read so I’ll just come out and say it myself VE used activity to paint iGrok scummy based on him being replaced last game but actually iGrok was town last game, replaced by slam. I can’t point out the post now because I’m on mobile but 99.999% sure VE’s post was saying this. Seems like it might have just been an honest mistake but VE is quite sharp I mean, that's not the reason VE voted or called iGrok scummy in the slightest? He said he didn't like how iGrok called rayn friend for his opening post and then voted rayn for his opening post. There was a whole discussion about it? | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn’t say that. I was just pointing out something. Go read my post again, carefully, then go read VE’s posts (probably from the last page?) again. He makes one post to the effect of something like “iGrok replaced out of last game as mafia” and assuming he is talking about the game we all just played, that is not true. On May 19 2019 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Well he instareplaced out of the last game as mafia. If viewed from an 'iGrok bad at mafia, but he try this game in penance" perspective it feels pretty good. It's pretty ambiguous? Does he mean the last time he actually was mafia? Hard to tell, either way seems bit meaningless. | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:15 Holyflare wrote: It's pretty ambiguous? Does he mean the last time he actually was mafia? Hard to tell, either way seems bit meaningless. Nvm. Not sure I like VE' s reentry straight into Jock though. | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:34 Conversion wrote: koshi literally has no posts and lazily plays all the time why is he on the list You had 2 posts. Don't even think disfo had posted. What's your point? It's poe. I don't want to have to have bugs 2.0 like last game over a poe list again what's so hard to understand lol? | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think we need bugs 2.0 so he can lynch town all day as any alignment. Stop | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:42 Conversion wrote: what’s a bugs2.0? im asking U because im curious if u had a deeper reason besides lol 0-2 posts. if that’s it then i overestimated ur reasons for the list what’s so hard to understand lol? The top 3 had reasons. Bottom 3 just shitters :D Calix seems manipulative and blendy/sheepy. Bugs similarly at that point had only really sheeped and complained about being scum read. Since then my opinion on him has changed for the better ever so slightly. IGrok as stated in vote post, bad reason to vote rayn. | ||
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On May 20 2019 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS! Fucking hypocrites all of you. I don't really scum read bugs anymore really. I made this list at the same time I stopped pushing you and said I was going to ignore fighting with you because I can see you as town deep down somewhere there's a glimmer of hope. | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote: Yeah my previous post says as much. I'm finished with that unless he keeps on at me about it. What do you think of conversion? I think your post has a lot of merit, it's flaky and apologetic when it doesn't need to be. Like it a lot better than whatever people are posting about ruxxar because I don't think ruxxar looks too bad tbh. I don't like how bugs has essentially discounted iGrok and solely talked about VE's points and not mine and then given iGrok an afk excuse pass. | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Can you point out specific posts that you feel are trying to sow discontent and how he's doing that please? Again, I need things explaining to me as if I'm a baby. It makes the game easier to play that way. He's afraid that rayn will spot he's mafia so he's sided on buddying him. If he's reading the thread it's quite easy to see the points that weren't related to rayn's opening had merit. Everyone can at least agree on that. Apart from Koshi. Then he's trying to shovel stuff towards bugs/myself etc to sow those seeds of discontent and likely build a platform out of it. What will be most telling (although now he'll just read this post and change what he's doing if he's mafia) is where he ends up on. I've admitted my rayn stuff was semi fabricated. Bugs has the same stance as Jock (who koshi is now ignoring), calix myself etc. If he sticks to saying bugs and myself look worst then he's stuck in his mafia narrative. | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Isn't this exactly the problem with replying to things form the past without reading what's going on now? It seems like a tactic designed deliberately to keep the subject of discussion on old irrelevant arguments. Yeah koshi looks bad. Let's see if he has anything to say that's relevant to the state of the thread as it is now. I think he MAY do this as town too but it's the sides he's picking and narratives that he's trying to weave that look scummy. You can see he's already altered it when he quotes the VE post responding to me. Suddenly I've gone from maybe mafia to being in the dumb part of town. Then he leaves the added provision that mafia can live in the dumb part of town. So what conclusion has he actually reached there other than try and pretend to side with me but leave me open for him to call me mafia? | ||
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On May 20 2019 17:37 Jockmcplop wrote: Lynching conversion is the smart play here. Like reading through his filter I can't see a single post where there's a clear town motive. He makes a read but says sorry and its probably wrong like because he hasn't played much. Later on its 'i'm on phone and lazy'. He's the third person in the space of a couple of hours to say he's on a plane and can't post. NAI on its own but looks scummy in context. Doesn't come back after. Long plane journey? Can't still post lazily on his phone when he lands/gets home. I mean if you're posting lazily why not just take the 2 seconds to do so. I don't think any of this is outside town Conversion's range to be honest. Your strongest point is the flakiness. We'll see what he says on his return I think. Don't mind throwing some votes that way though. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:28 Koshi wrote: How can both wbg and hf be this bad? One has to be mafia riding the bad townies ass right? I don't know what you're referring to but I never called ruxxar mafia. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:42 Koshi wrote: That was wbg. You are bad for a million other reasons. Please elaborate for the class so you don't just get away with doing this over and over again and undermining a not awful townish circle we have going. | ||
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1. BloodyC0bbler 2. Wheredobugsgoanyway? 3. Koshi 4. HolyFlare 5. VisceraEyes 6. Conversion 7. Jockmcplop 8. iGrok 9. Raynpelikoneet 10. ruXxar 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix Bc Bugs kinda Hf Ve Jock kinda Rayn kinda This is a solid semi town circle. It's a rocky relationship but I don't think it's bad. Artanis isn't in it because of the way he cleared rayn as if he cleared rayn before rayn even posted knowing what rayn was gonna say. | ||
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On May 20 2019 21:44 Koshi wrote: You are probably really good. Which I find annoying. Also you guys had a really mediocre song and I dont understand the world. Norway should have won. | ||
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Can you explain how this shows Calix wants to lynch townies? | ||
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On May 20 2019 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: "better to get it out of the way" suggests not actually thinking they'll flip scum to me. The tone of the post in general doesn't suggest that she thinks they'll likely flip scum, which when juxtaposed with her Rayn position doesn't make a whole lotta sense. You realise this means get their tantrum out of the way not lynch them right? | ||
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Give me a case to look at. | ||
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Thoughts on why my town circle is probably wrong: VE - appears to just be playing incredibly reactionary and accusatory - jumps at the chance to call whoever is aggro towards him mafia and then flits to the next bugs - feels very much like he's constantly defending the wrong people for the wrong reasons (igrok - he made a narrative on him being a vet and having different reasons to vote rayn etc) jock - ehhhhhhhh I dunno, not really read anything he's said content wise in depth but feels a bit too jumpy and like his tunnel is fake? BC still pretty solid town still though I also don't like artanis' posts but hey ho not sure that'll change more thoughts eventually | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like you to prove your statement. VE - appears to just be playing incredibly reactionary and accusatory - jumps at the chance to call whoever is aggro towards him mafia and then flits to the next Where at all have I jumped at a chance to call whoever is aggro toward me mafia? I'm literally looking at MY OWN FILTER RIGHT NOW, so some clarity would be just super! Ignore the calls them mafia part but it's the caps lock replies in literally all your replies that make you look overeager at really mundane things. It feels like every time somebody posts anything remotely accusatory to you it's full on caps lock omg no. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote: That's the spirit, give up when I'm trying to talk with you. That's the HF I've come to expect! You said so yourself, you're drunk. There's nothing to talk about either, it was an observation. | ||
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On May 21 2019 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It was a wrong one as I illustrated and you not only didn't retract the statement, you're acting like you still believe it. So whatever. Go away then, idc. I'm playing RoR2. I do actually still believe it. You can't be in my town circle. On to more relevant things, I've read Conversion's filter and I don't hate it but I don't like it either. It feels like his push on disformation is factually "correct", as in disfo hadn't posted thoughts at the points Conv was calling him out etc but there doesn't seem to be heart in the push. It's like he is artificially promoting the case as the be all and end all as an excuse to do not much else because disfo is obviously mafia. Feels very much like Rayn's Jock case. Do I have a conclusion on Conv? Mmmmmmmmmm not right now I think. | ||
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On May 21 2019 07:16 disformation wrote: im confused by whats going on tbh. yall sound super fucking unmotivated. wish i had more time to sort this shit out, but its getting late already again. didnt see any conclusion follow up on that btw didn't happen, probably won't :D | ||
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On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote: Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true. It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it. I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point. Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer. I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players. The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf) Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point. Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me). Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion. I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out. HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation. Tldr: Bugs is dumbo town. Rayn is town. HF is mafia. ##vote holyflare I think this is a mafia post. | ||
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Also calix imo has looked better. These people look like they're trying to solve the game and having a hard time with it. | ||
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Disfo Calix Koshi Rayn Null read could be scum: Conversion Ruxxar (although last post maybe changes my mind a bit to say scummy) VE (deal with it) Scummy: Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet) | ||
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On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote: Man I forgot about artanis he can go into null to scummy. I actually think he has a good chance of being mafia. Actually read his filter and it's not that bad. He can go fringe town. Can't remember what his mafia range is but I wouldn't say what he's posted would be out of it. Quite bc centric. | ||
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On May 21 2019 16:33 iGrok wrote: Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense. Because I already had a reason to scum read you and posting the summaries hasn't changed that? If you do good with the work then there's always room to change? Dunno what to tell you buddy. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote: HF has a high chance to be mafia. Really has. BC maybe not. Maybe he is a chill guy that trusts wbg to do the leg work. Why is that? | ||
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What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me. He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:39 Koshi wrote: He kept calling Calix mafia in his post though. Just added you. But I agree nothing much more was going on. In a world Ruxxar is allowed to make 1 post every 24 hours it was a high impact post though. But we're not in that world which is the bad thing. He just drops posts and runs away. What was he planning on achieving with it? In a world where he's mafia he has to see a lot of thread sentiment against him. He realises he needs to make a bold move and makes a case on me. I feel like as town he'd be a lot more motivated to figure me out and question why I've just disappeared/become demotivated? It just seems like he's thrown in the bit about hf vs rayn as an excuse to pick alignments for both of us. What about rayn vs hf made me look any different? I was just picking up on inconsistencies and it became a minor shit show. Does he use that info to formulate his read on me? Nah. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mby. He made a shit case he didnt believe on and let other people listen to that and did nothing about it. Are you actually mafia? How can you be so clueless that you still believe this to be the case? I made a fake case on you, told everyone it was a fake case and made conclusions on everyone based off of it and even updated my scum read based on your reaction (or lack thereof) to it (+no scum hunting). Subsequently voted igrok off of it. If you really think I did nothing about it you are actually just mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Why are you not responding to me I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation. I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote: Should there be a difference to me when I'm reading between lynch bait and scum? Yes. You have to put yourself into that person's shoes and see why they've done what they've done. Fake case on rayn because thread was incredibly dead +++ everyone activity. Making conclusions on those people that responded to it and evaluating at every step of the way. Updating reads and being unsure when I have less time to read. That's not really mafia. If you can't determine between lynch bait and scum then you need to interact with them and get their thoughts and then evaluate. That's the step ruxxar is missing. He's jumped to too many conclusions and assumptions and it's a very surface level case. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you going to help kill ruxxar?? I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in: Ruxxar VE rayn Koshi Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon. I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list. | ||
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On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag Why are you not calling me mafia for this then? | ||
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On May 21 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote: I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime. I've read him. His posts aren't scummy but I have the following questions: Why did you point out that rayn and ruxxar had read calix as scummy and then criticised bc for doing the same and then never really mentioned bc ever again? Looks like you were calling bc scum but never did. On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote: When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote: Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point. On May 21 2019 06:17 ruXxar wrote: And in the process trying to throw as much shade as posdible on artanis Also, what has rayn done in your eyes that was a gamble that made him obviously town? Also, why is calix no longer your vote? What posts specifically changed your mind? | ||
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I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc? | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: My vote is on Calix currently and yes, I intend to move it. I think this is the second time you've essentially said you're going to move your vote while having it on someone but given no other thoughts as to who? | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:35 Calix wrote: Anyway I was writing a rambly-as-fuck reads post because I was tired of constantly doubting myself. In summary, we should lynch into Koshi/ Rayn [don't think both are mafia] or BC/ iGrok and that Conversion/ ruxxar might actually be T/T. But only one of those is viable...lol. If anyone is up for one of these people, please speak up now. [not you WBG, I already know you will disagree with me here ] Anyhow ##unvote. What has ruxxar posted that makes you town read him? | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:36 wherebugsgo wrote: To VE: You didn't answer my question, who do you actually townread this game and who do you intend to move your vote to? I'm only around for a few hours here because I have to sleep, I'll probably be around for deadline but can't guarantee it since I have morning meetings. To HF: If you don't think ruxxar is a good lynch then do you have any alternatives to suggest or are you going to continue to play coy? I'm not sure if I really have anything left to say on ruxxar and honestly my isolation here is pretty annoying because I'm constantly doubting myself. Like what I don't get is that I read Calix, conversion, disfo, Jock etc. as town but none of them are helping and they're just playing in some sort of sandbox off on the side refusing to get out. I'm wondering now if my townread on one or more of them is misplaced I honestly don't have one. I'll decide in my own time. Don't treat me as a town leader this cycle, just as a guy doing his own thing in his own time who will reach a conclusion eventually. Probably. I'll need to hear from ruxxar and make some connections first. Calix post saying ruxxar isn't scummy is my current focus. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:40 Calix wrote: Can't speak for anyone else but I find your conviction on ruxxar off-putting. Not in a mafia way, just in a "I don't want to be pressured into voting for this guy" kind of way. And it seems like a lot of people are having doubts on ruxxar anyway so I don't think you'll be able to push past those. Hence why you are frustrated, I think. Kind of feel the same way tbh. Here's a free town read. | ||
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On May 21 2019 19:42 Jockmcplop wrote: The problem is that we're all doing this, hence why the thread is mad stupid chaos. WBG is trying to lead and get people to lynch with him, but he has a weak target that no-one wants to lynch. It would really help if you would try and confirm yourself as town to the rest of us tbh. I still think conversion is scum and maybe rayn but I would go for ruxxar if I didn't feel iffy about yourself and BC this game. Wait you feel iffy about me?? When did that change? | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:01 disformation wrote: i feel like wbg is like one of the few sane persons (if not the only one) in the thread and i don't think his stuff on ruxxar is horrible (like koshi does apparently). though i agree that it is not nearly as strong as he think it is. think one of the posts of wbg asking me to vote ruxxar felt a bit like scum!pandain getting me to vote for town!sent in the themed game. dont think wbg is scum, but the ruxxar vote seems off. maybe im overthinking shit and I should just sheep wbg for at least making sense unless a ton of other ppl Nah, I don't have any problem with bugs or him pushing ruxxar. In fact, it's quite a good thing to do. I just want to try and interact with ruxxar a bit and other people around ruxxar first. Don't want to be forced into anything repeatedly. Calix just mimics how I was feeling so it was more about her than bugs. | ||
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On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages. Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol Agreed. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:19 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah but you faked a red check on me. and in obs thread you and rayn both essentially said grack was the towniest town who ever towned Sorry to say but actually you or me dying d2 was probably the best thing that could've happened for town because otherwise we'd end up having continued that fight into d3/d4 (and we certainly weren't going to lynch Koshi or Grack in your stead on d2). And regardless of my ass reads I'm a bit proud I helped with the VE & BC circle and in the end read Pandain & slam properly, and prevented us from lynching Pandain who eventually was one of the deciders to kill grack. BTW what's your assetness this game? Have you decided who you want to lynch yet? Yeah, VE I think. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I was going to point out that I also viewed HF town at that point, and I guess you were sort of internally consistent in that you called me scum (IIRC?) for calling HF confirmed town there But at any rate this read is total garbage given that you came to the exact opposite conclusion on ruxxar and he posted this as his first post: So at that point ruxxar should also not have been totally confident that HF and Jock are town? Like why extend this suspicion to every person who called HF & jock town EXCEPT ruxxar? Ahaha rekt. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont have a good answer for the first thing. I just don't feel like he is mafia. Maybe i am wrong maybe i am right, but i sure as hell think there are more scummy people than ruxxar and i dont think those people are mafia with him. I just did give an example. You were in the very same game. Ruxxar has played in the same game where I evaded a red check and got the cop lynched and still won. Calix has arguably played less with me than ruxxar, especially as mafia so would know even less about that. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote: Only joking. Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn. Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts. You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] + I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else. I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn. | ||
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On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote: do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher: Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me. I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance. He just feels a bit off to me. | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think if you lynch into list of Jock Calix disformation Holyflare iGrok town almost 100% wins. Maybe there is sneaky mafia in ruxxar or artanis or bugs but i don't really believe it. ?????? ?? | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also HF can easily be mafia. 0% true and you know it | ||
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On May 21 2019 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look HF, do you really think i am a reasonable lynch today? I never said you were? I said you'd be a dumb lynch but not an awful one just because you are being an obstinate twat. I think you look more towny recently if anything. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: and once again you let the thread go on and on for like 20 pages after i have claimed to be a parity cop. I am not sure you do this as town HF, regardless of how i act (i worked for 48h past 3 days, slept mby 3 hrs / night, i was literally just sleeping all yesterday after work -- stupid bugs case). You let dumbass shit fly in the thread too much. Shit that you dont consider relevant or shit that's just shit, and i don't like it. You literally said you fake claimed. You literally make this accusation every game "why hasn't hf stopped this stupid shit? He must be mafia" same shit different day. You're not a baby you can stop your own fights rather than relying on me. I don't think any pressure on you is bad in the slightest either so it could be the worst accusation I've ever seen on you and I simply won't stop it because you've decided to rely on a case nobody agreed on and afkd. I haven't even been around. This is a very very poor accusation and you don't even come to a conclusion. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: i answered for i claimed, disfo is flaky, and mafia "was rayn's claim a joke?" "yes" "you said you fake claimed" "no I didn't?" What lol. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:42 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes I will do that now. The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there. It doesn't make sense and is stupid. At that point in the thread nothing else had happened. I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen. Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it. Oh so you voted him for his claim??? | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:57 Holyflare wrote: Why did you say it was for his other posts and not the claim? I'm pretty sure you backed this up afterwards saying it wasn't for the claim too. | ||
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On May 21 2019 23:42 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes I will do that now. The original post you made was where you claimed town vanilla The reasoning you gave for why doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. Its like walking into a room but instead of saying hello, finding all the magazines in that room, cutting out the letters that spell helpppdfao and then rearranging for everyone so everyone knows you're there. It doesn't make sense and is stupid. At that point in the thread nothing else had happened. I didn't like your stupid reasoning that doesn't make sense. Maybe you do say hello by copy pasting old messages. But given the lack of action at that point in the thread I put the vote on you to see what would happen. Its not even that it was scummy in particular, but it was the very beginning of the first game and it was weird and i didn't like it. On May 19 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote: I dislike rayn's responses so far quite intensely hence the vote. Other than that WBG should come back and nothing else has really happened right? Artanis is looking townish to me but apparently he's all kinds of good as scum so I'm going to sheep your maybetownread for now. On May 20 2019 15:09 Jockmcplop wrote: "Bitch about how people are playing" No VE, you're wrong my friend I was saying that his responses were scummy because rather than trying to find scum he decided not to do so in those early posts. What you're saying here is fundamentally untrue. I was actually TOTALLY calling rayn out on being scum. I wasn't bitching about how people are playing, whereas rayn literally just called a few people stupid and nothing else. So was it his responses after the fact and lack of scum hunting or his first post and pressure? You chop and change your reasoning. ##vote Jockmcplop | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:08 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm done with this shit. Seriously. Is my post wrong? | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:10 Jockmcplop wrote: The fact that you look at my responses to rayn - which means that you are also looking at rayns posts, and out of the two you decide i am mafia... . yes, very, very wrong. Explain how it is wrong. | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I can't even be bothered. Maybe you're right in that there was some inconsistency. Have you ever seen a 10 or so page filter with no inconsistencies in it? If you have you are looking at a mafia filter. Seriously though this is my last post think what you want vote for whoever you want I find this game far too stressful for it to be even remotely good for me to continue playing it. I have but there's always an explanation for it. This is quite a big one though. Surely you know why you actually voted rayn at the start of the game?? | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Theoretically more had happened by the time rayn case came out, so Jock could have ineloquently meant that his read evolved? His top post was like 30 minutes ago and it didn't mention anything about voting rayn based on his lack of scum hunting. | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Just so you guys are in no doubt: I'm trying to play, to learn and to improve all at the same time. I find this difficult and yeah, I'm asking a shit ton of questions. There aren't any newbie games here and I'm completely clueless jsut going off what the guides and mafaiscum wiki say about it. So yeah, I ask alot of questions. I'm literally asking for help and getting shit all (Except WBG who is quite happy to help) and then being lynched for doing shit wrong. This isn't something I'd post if i was trying not to be lynched because I'm knowingly invoking my own lack of skill and expereience. I'm gonna go concentrate on chess instead. Good luck to you all. Even if I'm not lynched I can't be bothered with this shit. I'm too anxious a person. Its bad for my mental health. Just so you know I take mental health very seriously so if you've lied about this and are actually mafia I will feel disgusted with you that you used this. I don't want you to feel bad and I just genuinely want an answer because I enjoy playing with you. | ||
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On May 22 2019 00:52 Jockmcplop wrote: https://tl.net/forum/general/488009-the-mindfulness-meditation-thread Read that thread you horrible bastards We're not horrible, we're just making sure you weren't! In fact we're trying to make sure you're ok. Please don't replace. I'll call you confirmed town all game if I have to. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions Probably the single worst thing I've seen in this thread to date. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: No hard feelings to any of you, you're all just playing the game the way you're supposed to, but I also can't use mental health as a bargaining chip to get called a townie cos that's bullshit. My heart rate was elevated for the entire walk home from work. I'm fine though. I like the logic and stuff that goes with this game but maybe I have hangups about rejection (or something like that) that makes me freak out when accused. Obviously that doesn't go well with playing mafia. Stick around and we'll figure it out together at least? Would like to try, this game seems fine. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:05 Holyflare wrote: Stick around and we'll figure it out together at least? Would like to try, this game seems fine. I say fine but I don't even know why I typed that. Meant it seems fun and actually hard to solve who is mafia. So that's some logic to work out! | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:52 iGrok wrote: Is there anyone that you haven't accused of being mafia D1? Are you saying my reads should be static and unchanging or what? Each time I call someone mafia I have a precise reason for it and then I see their reaction and what they say and reevaluate. Does that make me mafia? Think bc might be the only person I haven't called mafia I think. | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions What was this supposed to mean as well? Looks like you're giving yourself an out if it all goes wrong. | ||
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I'd rather call everyone mafia multiple times than none at all :D | ||
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On May 22 2019 01:59 disformation wrote: why though? have you read my posts on him? koshi also had one. I just think I prefer my tone read to whatever these posts say. I definitely don't want to write him off as blindly town but it's vastly different from what I've experienced when he is mafia. | ||
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On May 22 2019 02:02 iGrok wrote: The specific things I think you did that were good were: VE was aggroing me early, you attacked his reasoning but agreed with his conclusion. that reads as townie to me. Mostly everything else you've done is flip back and forth on people. Rayne, me, ve, calix, rux, jock, back to ve/rayne. And usually when you switch targets its when there looks like there is some momentum building against that person. This is so surface level. What reasoning did I use to jump on these people when it was opportune that you did not like or that was not my own original thought? I've voted 2 people in this game even. | ||
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On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote: Which? Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs, Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr Why are these not points about me??? | ||
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Are these even key points? It'sa summary of posts? | ||
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On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote: Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you? First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok? Come on. Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote". But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen. Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D | ||
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Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him? | ||
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On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote: I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already. I don't care about anyone else. Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too. But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead. Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency? | ||
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On May 22 2019 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: But Calix first, i dont know who else is mafia. Maybe Holyflare. disfo looks better and iGrok i am not sure is scum anymore. well gn Stop man. | ||
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On May 22 2019 03:28 Calix wrote: I don't disagree it was inconsistent. I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read. I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him. [I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town] Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before? Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right? So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy? | ||
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Quote some of his posts, tell us why he's wrong. | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. you can be mafia too if you think he looks good | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." | ||
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On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote: Lunch break. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. No, I don't want you to cite every single one. I want you to come up with an example of a person that was gaining momentum where I specifically decided to flip my read on to lynching that person and joined their wagon. Right now all you've given is a generalisation and no evidence. | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon. Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch. Don't be dumb, guys. So I am mafia because I called the following people mafia when sentiment was building up on them: Rayn WHO I CREATED THE SENTIMENT AGAINST AND EVERYONE SHEEPED ME LOL. Off to a great start. VE I didn't call mafia for going aggro on you. I simply said his case on you had no merit and went on about my day. You. lol. I called you mafia against sentiment (because everyone defended you AND nobody other than ve voting for you). I don't care if we're on the same target, you voted rayn for a fake case and not for the actual good reasons even though those good reasons already existed. I never EVER EVER EVER called calix mafia for her bad opening post. Ever. Ruxxar because he opportunistically went against me, as explained. Didn't fit with a thought process at all. Jock was a logical inconsistency, as soon as he posted about mental health i backed the fuck away because he obviously became townie. Should I have ignored this inconsistency that he himself even agreed with? Rest is garbo. You're definitely mafia. Half of this existed early game when you had absolutely no problem with me even. | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:30 disformation wrote: yeah the ruxxar post he is referring to is the good post by ruxxar on bc you can see in art's case on bc. aight hf imma make a tea and look at the grok post again Chop chop | ||
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On May 22 2019 02:09 iGrok wrote: Which? Also right now top scum read is HF and calix, followed by arty. least confident is BC/bugs, Key points on Calix: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially? Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy bc point doesn't mean anything? ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy? agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good?????? conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol?????? | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:56 disformation wrote: like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry. i mean look at that post: "oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that". is that really a post scum makes? and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at... The problem we've had is that we're struggling to find mafia because every time we talk to each other we appear townie to each other (yeah there's some fighting but the circular argument comes back every time). iGrok on the other hand just exists and has posted ...... wrong things all the time. His initial vote on rayn bypassed all of the actual reasoning to vote rayn (he still doesn't even know what that is apparently!), his return after that long hiatus was literally just a summary. Now, he's gone straight for myself and calix and his points on calix don't make anyone mafia and his points on me had to be forced out of him and he couldn't even make it up correctly! He's the missing puzzle piece people have been struggling to find. | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote: Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo. ##unvote calix while processing On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote: Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario. Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town. But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote: @HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play What am I supposed to say to this? You literally just used you calling rayn mafia and me scum reading you for it as a reason to scum read me: On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon. Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch. Don't be dumb, guys. So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:05 Koshi wrote: Note to self. This looks like mafia talking to convince a townie. No, it doesn't. If you're going to be an annoying tit and sit in a corner making a tantrum that somebody is mafia and wah wah over and over again it's best to just make a post explaining it and leave the thread. You're extremely boring and repetitive. It's not a good look for you. | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote: If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia. If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia. If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town. Are you with me? Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia? You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be. Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced. | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3. This list is incredibly shit by the way. BC is being voted and cased by artanis and disformation, they not likely to be together. Bad additions. I am and have been campaigning for igrok the entirety of the game, yet we're on a list together. Calix opened by calling me super town. Either I'm town and she's mafia or we're both town. No mafia sticks their neck out to town read me that early, it's silly. Bad to have us both in a list. Disfo and artanis look like they're solving the game and disfo especially looks like he's full of indecision. Calix doesn't look bad at all. | ||
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No, I just have the game sense to realise that this list can't ever be correct. Guess we're on different levels like that. | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:17 Calix wrote: Koshi really needs a vig shot. His posts are literal trash and he's just being distracting. He's not doing ANYTHING helpful right now even though he thinks we're going to mislynch, lol? I don't think this makes him mafia, just a baddie. | ||
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Why would I give 6 names? hf jock ve artanis ---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (not ordered) rayn disfo calix koshi bc bugs ------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not ruxxar conversion ---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is igrok | ||
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On May 22 2019 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: as usual I don't think I have any idea what's going on this game so I'm going to step back for a long while. I can't make heads nor tails of the giant mess that happened around when HF swapped to Jock for his contradiction and that's actually made me question literally all of my townreads because people I thought would look worse look better and people I'd thought look better in some cases look worse. I felt pretty good about HF and BC but now I'm just confused. someone help. What the fuck have I done that makes you question those reads??? You're the one who defended and saved igrok who has the shittest logic I've ever seen. He's picked 3 random people and decided one has to be mafia in it for absolutely no reason related to in game posts and then done nothing. I've completely decimated his post on me and disfo even confirmed it and he hasn't even batted an eyelidm | ||
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On May 22 2019 05:17 Holyflare wrote: So I am mafia because I called the following people mafia when sentiment was building up on them: Rayn WHO I CREATED THE SENTIMENT AGAINST AND EVERYONE SHEEPED ME LOL. Off to a great start. VE I didn't call mafia for going aggro on you. I simply said his case on you had no merit and went on about my day. You. lol. I called you mafia against sentiment (because everyone defended you AND nobody other than ve voting for you). I don't care if we're on the same target, you voted rayn for a fake case and not for the actual good reasons even though those good reasons already existed. I never EVER EVER EVER called calix mafia for her bad opening post. Ever. Ruxxar because he opportunistically went against me, as explained. Didn't fit with a thought process at all. Jock was a logical inconsistency, as soon as he posted about mental health i backed the fuck away because he obviously became townie. Should I have ignored this inconsistency that he himself even agreed with? Rest is garbo. You're definitely mafia. Half of this existed early game when you had absolutely no problem with me even. | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:31 disformation wrote: the rayn thing is super ultra obviously not true. being the 2nd one on grok also doesnt look like sentiment. like nothing even happened after that. you pointing out the inconsistencies of jock might have timingwise correlated or caused sentiment to form against jock (too lazy to double check rn), but everyone fucked off for obvious reasons anyways. otherwise you only like briefly voted calix and now are back on grok. i also dont mind your interaction with calix for what it is worth. so looking at voting alone i have to agree that this seems super untrue. | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote: How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario. Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town. But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this? How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:07 Holyflare wrote: What am I supposed to say to this? You literally just used you calling rayn mafia and me scum reading you for it as a reason to scum read me: So was this a lie used to shovel more shit towards me or did you not even believe your points yourself? | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote: Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia? You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be. Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced. | ||
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On May 22 2019 06:41 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure how any of these points lead to a calix scum read by the way. Entry post is basic - mafia, that's the extent of why she's scummy essentially? Otherwise it's ve/rayn conspiracy that changes to not really anymore - not scummy bc point doesn't mean anything? ruxxar point shows calix changing a read because someone shares a townie mindset with her - not scummy? agrees with all the rayn points and if he didn't have meta with rayn it would be good?????? conclusion is that this is the most mafia person in the game lol?????? Worst points. | ||
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On May 22 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for breaking the rules I didn't even think at the time. I can continue to play but its up to you guys really. I don't want people to think they should lynch me and not bother because of what I said, that would suck hard and be unfair The other option is I stop posting altogether for this game, which I'm absolutely fine with. Please play. Fun to have you around. Have you read since you left? | ||
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On May 22 2019 15:31 Jockmcplop wrote: Thanks! Its a 5 grand payrise on what I have now for doing the same thing :O If I get it I'll be buzzing. You'll still be in Manchester though so it's not all positive ;D | ||
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On May 22 2019 15:43 Koshi wrote: She is mafia and this is how she is as mafia. She is a pleasant and smart person as town. I don't know how you took that away from this post but what I took away was iGrok saying he's trying to figure out the game while simultaneously having a fake dichotomy between calix and myself and never doing much else. If he's town why does he get his points proven wrong and not go "hmmm better reread that maybe I'm wrong." He just sticks with the incorrect narrative and ignores it because that is more simple to push his mafia agenda of this fake pondering. | ||
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On May 22 2019 15:39 wherebugsgo wrote: JOCK YOU'RE BACK :D I'm actually really happy cause I got sad reading that huge mess and I was really enjoying playing with you. BTW idk if you saw this earlier but let's hydra next game (or maybe you can hydra with someone not as shitty as me). I kinda wanna hydra cause my solo scum reads are garbage and I need to work on that, plus it's super fun to chat about the game with someone you know is seeing it from a similar in-game perspective read my next few posts, my read on you hasn't actually changed, and I think on principle my read on BC hasn't really changed much either, just a bit wary/bothered that he bristled on Artanis so hard. Lots of interactions to play with there though and I'm on the side of Artanis being scum for now so we'll see what happens. Actually not sure if he's my top scum read yet as I think I want to prepare something for someone else. The main catalyst for me being utterly confused is that the jock mess actually caused rayn to shoot up townier in my reads list. Like something just went off in my head as I flashbacked to last game; I probably wouldn't have seen it if you hadn't also seen and acted on the exact same contradiction by voting. Like my personal opinion as I was in the process of reading that entire exchange was in agreement with Calix, that what Jock posted was indeed a contradiction and that it looked pretty awful but in context of the sea of posts Jock had I didn't think it lent much to Jock being scum. However, given how rayn plays I could 100% see town rayn just completely ignoring everything else and attacking Jock for that because that's literally what he did to me last game; he picked on the fact that I was a bit too slow in explaining some particular read I had for him and then he just didn't let that go. I really didn't notice this earlier in the game because I pretty much tuned out both rayn and Koshi for a good chunk of time and haven't really reread them at all. Let's talk about iGrok and Calix's interaction from EoD, I want to be convinced here because I'm on the town iGrok train with rayn/koshi/maybe now Calix and want to understand more. He had a fake vote on Calix as well as rayn, but only pointed out the one on rayn. He talked about a vote on Calix as if it wasn't a fake vote, and I found that odd. Why be transparent about one and not the other? Could chalk it up to a mistake...but otherwise the crux of my read at this moment is tone/behaviour; I saw how Calix reacted to their interaction by backing off a bit on iGrok and he did a very similar thing to me on the last page when I called him out for the 1 scum 2 town thing. Do you acknowledge those things or do you think they're not relevant here? Lastly HF, I want you to read this string of posts from VE, and just note it, you don't have to provide thoughts yet. I'm going to make a callout of some other oddities later tonight when I have some more time and let people come to their own conclusions about what they mean. I don't really know where he ever says his calix vote is fake, nor do I care. If his rayn vote is fake and you know it was fake, why does he use it as a reason to scum read me in his case as if it were real? I liked VE's deadline posts. | ||
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On May 22 2019 16:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Here's the "I unvoted Calix" thing, iGrok doesn't say it was a fake vote: But he never put this vote in the vote thread and never mentioned that he didn't do that (unlike the rayn one) and the only reason I even noticed this is because I knew from the vote thread that iGrok technically never voted until his first and final vote on you. I only wanted to point out that iGrok said his rayn vote was fake, but he never said that his Calix vote was fake, and I find that weird. I'd like him to explain this, actually. Anyway, I don't know if they mean anything in terms of iGrok's alignment. Like from some weird perspective I could imagine he wanted to see reactions to him "voting" rayn in thread but didn't want to place a real vote because it was just for reaction fishing? No idea. I think him reaching the conclusion on you being scum because he thinks one out of you three of ruxxar/HF/Calix is scum is pretty pants-on-head. Like this assertion is so blatant that I don't think he'd do it as scum, it draws too much attention. It's just that he tried to logic and then failed to consider whether you and Calix are both just town and you had a moment where you waffled on the read or whatever. Too scummy to be scum, don't do that. It's much more simple that he's just mafia. Do you know why he thinks calix is scummy in the first place? I'll quote it for you. Does this make sense to you? | ||
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On May 22 2019 16:50 Koshi wrote: Imagine hf is town and a pleasant person to play with. 😱😱 Still town. Can you at least talk about igrok from the perspective I'm town? Don't really care if you don't believe it. Do you think he's reached his points in a natutal way? The only reason you seem to think he's town is because of his targets and not anything else. At least 50% of the 2 people he thinks are mafia are town (me) but why does he think I'm mafia to begin with? Can you explain that? | ||
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On May 22 2019 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote: The way these points are written, if iGrok is town, they come off more like iGrok had a gut read of Calix being scum and then confirmation biased himself further, if he saw anything at all scummy beyond the first two things. Like "basic post easy to make if less experienced scum" -> sounds like a data point fit to an already held conclusion, whereas ruxxar made a very similar beginning post and yet iGrok thought that post was fine. From a town-iGrok perspective the first two bullets (basic post + sheeping) are basically thread sentiment/easy primers and Calix is/was an easy scum read. So, you read the above and think he has points on why calix is mafia right? On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement. "If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break. I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else. That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. So, disformation comes in and says "they both unlikely to be mafia if one voted for the other!" and igrok goes omg you're right only one of them must be mafia but then ditches his calix is mafia read (the biggest wagon in the game!) because .... He wants to figure out the game? But he still calls calix mafia between me and herself too all the while! Why does she stop being mafia for this post that blatantly appeals to emotion when he has tangible points that he said make her mafia? It's all unflipped association nonsense. Why was I the mafia when he decided to vote calix out of both of us at that point?? Furthermore, he says he scum read ruxxar but conveniently when the wagon came up he found any excuse he could to not be on it and even switched his read. He spent the next 20 of his posts explaining logic with conversion between 3 people who were not up for lynch, threw his vote into a wagon with just himself and then berated you after the lynch despite doing nothing himself to stop it. On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote: fuck you bugs, you know I was right | ||
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On June 14 2018 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: incorrect. first point. it was never pressure. never, you are lying 100% here. i know you and it was not pressure. fucking shit. no pressure, you are mafia. second point. untrue. when "everyone and their mother started to defend me" you decided to do not a fucking single thing and when palmar was lynched THEN YOU FUCKING yelled everyone who CORRECTLY defended me are mafia. So, your call. What say you? This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything. | ||
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On May 22 2019 17:27 wherebugsgo wrote: omg I actually mistyped you're/your I am officially a dumbass Your dead too me. | ||
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I think I might have to relent on calix being mafia. Don't think the igrok progression looks good. Might also explain why a mafia igrok has to arbitrarily say one of me or calix is mafia with bad reasons and why he essentially scum reads her for bad points - because it's not a natural scum read. | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least it's not in your filter before disformation said it. You might have called the same post good but that doesn't mean anything if you don't point out why it is good and it isn't even good apparently since you're not really scumreading BC over other people like HF. Anyways i don't really think iGrok is mafia, the eod was super weird and i dont really think it comes from mafia. Ah, thanks for the follow up Are you mafia or just becoming bad? What's townie about scum reading ruxxar until the wagon actually forms on him, not voting calix anymore when she becomes in the lead but still scum reading her! Berating town for lynching ruxxar after the fact and voting me who he said would never get lynched today? That's ignoring all his points on me being lies even! | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like why doesnt he just vote for ruxxar if he scumreads ruxxar lol? Because he knows he's town?? | ||
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There's like 3 votes on each wagon or some shit. You even think calix is mafia so this is even more pertinent to you. He has ruxxar as a scum read, me as a scum read and calix as a scum read and magically decides to reread just ruxxar (nobody else) when he gains traction. Calix his top scum read Ruxxar his other scum read Me his other top scum read Now he says ruxxar is town because he was pushing me (which always existed) so now he's left with his vote on calix and no traction on me and he always always says he couldn't get me lynched. He unvoted calix, making her NO LONGER the leading wagon. Why? It's his top scum read. He even says it's his top scum read while unvoting her. He can't ever vote ruxxar because essentially the last thing ruxxar did was case his other top scum read (me). He'd look fucking awful. So why does he vote me and not calix rayn? Calix still should be his scum read, even more so now that ruxxar flipped town. | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:34 Koshi wrote: Mafia do things to look horrible and stand out from the pack. Mafia 101 You think voting for ruxxar who scum reads his top scum read is smart to do as mafia igrok? Really good player you must be. | ||
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On May 22 2019 22:07 wherebugsgo wrote: I've tried to discuss things with you all game and you've consistently been pissy for no reason. Once I threaten to kill you for your takes that are completely incongruent with thread facts you seem to really perk up though. Just answer my question. I don't actually think you can believe iGrok and Calix are mafia at the same time here though. Feel free to make up a reason why that is or isn't the case, though. Do you mean specifically ve or everyone? I think it's more likely calix is if igrok is personally. | ||
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On May 22 2019 22:23 Koshi wrote: Maybe. I am missing 1 mafia and you are too nice this game. And you are pretending to be intelligent. Ah, that's my staple mafia play. Too nice. You got me. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or maybe HF, i dont know HF has not said many smart things this game and has said many not smart things. You fooking wut mate. My igrok thing is well smart and associative. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: He even called out iGrok for not voing into Calix/ruxxar and last thing i remember he was on calix' throat and ended up voting off wagon himself. I know we are EU and maybe he just went to bed and "there was a chance iGrok is getting lynched" but i dont maybe believe it. This is patently false even. Like incredibly false. Not even the slightest bit true. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:25 Holyflare wrote: This is patently false even. Like incredibly false. Not even the slightest bit true. Like just read page 8 onwards in my filter and feel bad for even saying this fake news. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was wrong, HF is fine on iGrok. A+ | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe just biased and bad. should see calix is mafia. i dont like the "we kill igrok and then i will listen to you if he is town". The bolded are words you've just invented again. I never said that and don't think he'll ever flip town. | ||
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On May 22 2019 21:43 Holyflare wrote: Yeah, I know. If you give me my lynch tomorrow I will fully listen to all of you after that. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah but that's what most likey is gonna happen. one of koshi/rayn will die. you lynch igrok. he flips town. other of koshi/rayn will die. you make up some bs all of those dicksuckers will believe, or if youre town you change your mind for some bs reason, and noone is lynchig calix. true story. that scenario ends bad regardless of your affiliation. That's not what most likely is going to happen. If he's town it's quite simple for him to you know, acknowledge that all his points on me are wrong and make a new read. Does anyone think that will happen though? No, because he's mafia. You can't even say it's tunneling because he literally doesn't call into context any further posts or information ever. His scum read on calix is still because of her first post essentially! And this is just dodging the original point that you lied about what I said. Why did you do that? I'm not forcing you to lynch him and I'm not holding a gun to your head. I'm simply asking you if you'd do the courtesy of lynching my scum read tomorrow because I think I have solid evidence. | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:58 Holyflare wrote: If I had to rate people based on being robotic I'd probably have a list of: Calix iGrok Bugs Then there's just like: Koshi Conversion Disfo(???? maybe not ????) probably a good list for day 1 to look at tbh I was a good player early game I think. | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not with any of your list in itself, early game you were shittier than ever Not true. My early game was perfect. I town read who I needed to and probably scum read who I needed to. Everything after that is superfluous. | ||
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On May 22 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote: This game is cyclical. I did the same thing in this game as that. Exact same. Same rayn reaction :D Just thought that was funny, doesn't mean anything. You should read this rayn. You have the memory of a goldfish because its exactly the same :D | ||
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On May 23 2019 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, exactly as stupid. But town though! | ||
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On May 23 2019 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you're the reason i lost almost all interest in this game. If it wasn't for Koshi and VE i wouldn't even be posting anymore. I know it's half-a-shitty-thing to say because you're not responsible for other people's actions but you should have cut the shit off earlier and be more of a town leader when you were listened to. I thought you would do that. But I thought you were mafia lol | ||
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On May 23 2019 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: It's hard not to get salty. I've tried to chit chat with HF several times this game and I get met with fucking nothing. And holyflare apologizing to rayn for rayn calling him stupid over and over. I need to rethink how I approach Holyflare. I'm at work and skim the thread. Just quote things at me if you want responses. | ||
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On May 23 2019 08:33 Jockmcplop wrote: HF is pretending like lynching iGrock will make everything fall into place but I don't think that's true at all, I think he just wants rid of iGrock. Has igrok commented on anything I've brought up about him in the last 48 hours? He's definitely been in the thread. | ||
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On May 23 2019 14:06 Holyflare wrote: Just look at the way people interact in here. They come in, dump their thoughts, have a conversation and reevaluate and make new reads. Even rayn with his tunnel on you has reevaluated. Compare this to igrok who hasn't actually delineated his thoughts once since ruxxar flipped. We don't know if he still scum reads calix and I or anything (hint: he absolutely will double down on me). Even artanis who you think is scummy also does the same thing and talks about his reads. This may be a lie. All I actually remember him talking about is bc and maybe bugs. | ||
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On May 22 2019 07:23 Holyflare wrote: Why would I give 6 names? hf jock ve artanis ---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (not ordered) rayn disfo calix koshi bc bugs ------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not ruxxar conversion ---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is igrok List still rings kind of true. Think I'll update to this: hf jock ve Rayn ---- everyone below here could be mafia but have townie sparkles so don't think are (ordered) koshi Disfo -- new tier below townie sparks but above maybe mafia -- Bc bugs Artanis ------ below the rest but maybe mafia, maybe not Calix conversion ---- everyone below here could be mafia and likely is igrok | ||
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On May 23 2019 14:52 Jockmcplop wrote: hf what did calix do to end up more scummy on your list? Nothing specifically. Maybe voting ruxxar over igrok. Also the fact igrok dodged her and still scum read her to vote me. | ||
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Bugs/bc - igrok is a vet so he votes for rayn (now igroks vote was fake). Igrok is just afk don't vote him even though what he's done is scummy. Changed now to minorly scum read him but no passion. Calix - full on scum read at deadline, doesn't want to vote ruxxar over igrok who is blatantly scummy. Igrok appeals to her and she drops it in the blink of an eye. Not to mention igrok saving her but scum reading her. Either they're partners or he did some social engineering saying he was unvoting her. Either way it makes him mafia here. Koshi - defended igrok but still had him in his list, not voting him but still saying he's scummy You - seem to think he's scummy but we won't learn anything but why do you think he's scummy but also myself and artanis are scummy? Like you said, he's all I've pushed Artanis - I don't think he's taken a stance on igrok as far as I remember which is really reallllyyyy bad Rayn - just doing his own thing. Think he said town read or some shit but he seems super nonchalant about it Ve - said igrok scummy, would vote eventually Disfo - got the dirt on igrok and hopeful he will vote but voted not igrok at the end of the day. Dunno if I blame him Conv - would rather talk about logic with igrok and meta about koshi than game solving or giving a read on igrok So, no, talking about igrok isn't all I'm doing. I collect all the information I need around igrok for after his flip. I also have been narrowing down my town pool all night because that's how you find mafia. To you it might look like "igrok did x, y, z" but to me it's "oh he said something that I'm agreeing with, move him up in the arbitrary town list" and as you can see my read list has shifted overnight. | ||
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On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should. I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote: And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. This is so bs. There's been like 8 people defending igrok and not even scum reading him. YOU scum read him and then you don't anymore in your list for what reason that has changed? It's like pulling teeth to lynch the scummiest behaving person I've seen in a long long time. That's crazy. | ||
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On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever. I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time. As such ##vote artanis This is the most untrue thing I've read in my life. You have to be mafia defending igrok. | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Similar reasons to Ruxxar not really trying to dissuade people from voting for him? Like, I do see where you are coming from but if you arent 100% on a read and fear it might hit town (who could very well by lynched) why wouldnt you remove said vote if it could save them. Because: A) he still scum reads calix from what he said afterwards B) he let his town read die because of it C) he afkd a vote on a wagon he himself said had no way of happening | ||
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On May 23 2019 22:24 Conversion wrote: onto a more salient point: I'm like 99.99% sure I do not ever engage you directly unless you engage me first, unless I'm doing some D1 lynch holyflare that never gets traction. I'll attempt to eat a shoe and probably fail if I'm wrong, but a quick filter into past games confirm that That's what I meant. I felt like you'd be more convicted on this lynch hf shtick after obs last game. Like I said, really a stretch. | ||
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On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote: HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote: HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision. The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched). So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself. | ||
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On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..... I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game. This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean? My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am! I think you're pretty tunnelled | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right? I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all? | ||
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Within the game it will be different because I have free time on a weekend. Which is the same as every game. Although last game I was buying a house so it was similar the whole time. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:25 Jockmcplop wrote: Just to be clear I won't use that in game (in character??) because that would suck this was more a general accusation that you're lying and trying to make me think I'm not seeing what I'm seeing Nah I knew what you meant I was just genuinely curious whether I'd be town read if I wasn't me or not. | ||
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On May 24 2019 01:25 Jockmcplop wrote: STOP BEING NICE TO ME HF If you want a good read: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=263#5255 Good example of me as mafia (and bugs actually before he replaced. Reminds me of his range now so I'll look at him this game because he's really good too). More importantly the fallout post game and mafia qt is just the best. | ||
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I mean it's really not because that is quite literally what happened so either I'm a liar and mafia or it's the truth. So why aren't you calling me mafia? | ||
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On May 24 2019 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not doubt it's what happened but you dont give any reasoning to what he asks. I dont know if it makes you mafia. He seemed fine with it? If you want me to answer why I specifically don't interact with Artanis again it's because he was a town read-ish and hadn't really been in the thread posting anything specific that I had qualms with. | ||
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On February 14 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote: Also conversion. Robot conversion was super impressive. Hmmm I'm reading my old games to stroke my ego a bit and saw this in Vendee where Conversion was like on point with his emotions and posts. I'm seeing that this game (I mean, other than the explosion) and it's super refreshing. So, thanks again Conv for keeping it up. Your posts look structured and well thought out and I'm removing you from a mafia read. | ||
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On May 24 2019 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you just answered a question "why did HF read Artanis blabla so strongly at this point?" with "yeah i did"....... That wasn't the question at all, my friend! It was "why did HF switch so quickly? Is this a normal interaction" to which I, as I understand it, answered quite proficiently seeing as the original question provider was placated by that response! I do not know why this line of questioning is relevant but I'm happy you're participating, friend! | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:04 VisceraEyes wrote: HF do you know the game Rayn is referencing? Where you double-teamed Calix and Co with a red-check? I don't even remember what I had for lunch I'm afraid. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? Fucking anyone can daydream man, I once imagined a time when I had sex with 3 girls at once! It doesn't make me impressive, just kinda a freak! I just went through the database and unless it happened after 21st September 2018 then I don't think it ever existed. Not a game where we were both mafia like that? | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote: artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now I remember I found that weird when I read it too. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya I believe you, I want to hear from rayn now. This is bullshit, like it's fine if he can remember the game and it wasn't you or whatever, but his whole read of her is based on YOU being in that game. I don't think his vote hinges on that. Just that Calix should know way better than to town read me like that early in the game if she was town because she knows what I'm capable of as mafia. I don't hate that read but it's very old and I think her later posts kind of make up for that. I could also see how she would town read me as town too, so that helps. The only thing that would be read weirdly to me is the fact it was "hf is town so I'll sheep him!" which read a bit TOO sure. That's what rayn is getting at really. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:32 Conversion wrote: also in no situation do I ever see scum!BC blowing up like that and saying he'll trade 1:1 for scum!Artanis, and scum!Artanis backing off like that What are you selling? I'm interested in buying. | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: right, i am not calling HF 100% town or mafia though. I mean there was that game you called me 100% town and I was mafia though :D | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Ya that totes checks out. HF got fukt XD https://tl.net/forum/mafia/532537-mafiacalfeast-i?page=164#3263 fam I won | ||
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On May 24 2019 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote: It sounded like Calix was all about lynching into you guys though, that makes her a savvy player. Why didn't town do you recall? I think I forced them to vote outside the claims and then bugs shot their only chance of mislynching me (nkd vivax for some reason). | ||
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On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more. here's my state of the game: list of reads so far: (the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not) REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN) probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok probably scum: artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? | ||
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On May 24 2019 06:23 disformation wrote: you could like start to comment on my stuff on grok/art/c0bbler and staph lurking Your stuff on grok is what I've already said really? It's part of the case I was making at least. Goes from saying you and ruxxar scummy but has no reasons for it. Actually even says I have good logic for voting him when he voted rayn but then uses that as a reason to scum read me later. Every time someone posts the bc case my eyes glaze over because it's just 1 line followed by an ugly quote chain. Please explain with spoilered quotes and more words. Artanis I can't remember what you said but I presume it's what conv brought up about his weird bc is angry (when bc never was afaik) read into scum reading bugs sort of. I'll get to properly read it all someday, sorry :D | ||
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On May 24 2019 06:34 Calix wrote: I've added like 2 pages to my filter so far this day cycle and almost every single post had content in it and pushed on scum-reads. And this is despite working a ridiculous number of hours. But apparently I am "lurking" and "making AFK excuses" because I am "demotivated mafia". Fuck off. Be thankful I even have this many posts. iGrok is studying 12 hours a day and he's still lurking demotivated mafia | ||
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On May 24 2019 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi friends, I'm here for like half an hour. Why did you lie about bc being angry or some such meta? | ||
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On May 24 2019 07:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Given that you had a hand in molding his Mafia game. What is it that makes you so certain he is more town than not? Asking because I find reading him a clusterfuck -_- Who exactly are we talking about? | ||
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Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc. Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia. It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies. | ||
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Make a case on me. Convince people. Get some fire and burning passion against me going, make a wagon. | ||
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Early D1 Mid D1 Late D1 TL;DR His read progression Early D1 iGrok began the game with the scummiest vote in the game to date. Do you remember why rayn was voted? Initially, for a fake case that led to actual scum reads being formed on his lack of response. After that was established and the initial votes were outlined to be purely pressure and not actually a case against rayn shortly after iGrok entered with: On May 19 2019 22:29 iGrok wrote: I think rayne got fucked by host, but I'm not going to not take advantage of it. I'm also going to be on a plane most of today. Probably different one than Artanis though lol ##vote: Raynpelikoneet This has later been stated to be a "fake vote" On May 22 2019 07:05 iGrok wrote: @HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play But what did iGrok achieve with his fake vote? HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good The only thing we ever see related to his fake claim is in fact him saying my logic for voting him was good. Literally the only thing in the thread gained from the "joke vote" that garnered way more conversation than just me talking about it. He makes literally 2 summaries on VE and myself: On May 21 2019 15:03 iGrok wrote: Right now (~1/3 of the way through), mapping relationships and noting key moments. Shorthand on key moments from them - Conversion hasn't really said shit yet (remember, this isn't all the way caught up yet): Conv jokingly lynch HF HF Rayn is Mafia rayn is passive, therefore is mafia HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good keeps hammering on me calling rayn mafia, even though i'm not in the thread. honestly i'm an easy target because I've publicly stated I won't be in the thread Calix is scummy VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE Technically 3 because Conversion has 1 line. But then he wants Disfo and Rux lynched? On May 21 2019 15:46 iGrok wrote: still not caught up, but so far I want rux or disinfo lynched. For what? On May 22 2019 01:56 iGrok wrote: Frankly nothing that disinfo wrote stands out. I still don't have a single thing written down under "key moments" for them. Could be bored town, could be afk mafia, no idea. I think bugs made a pretty good case on rux in #1096. Also, I previously said to review #682 for rux. I meant to type #862, but it was 1am and I misread my own notes. Apologies. That they literally post boring things? No key moments? Could be bored town or afk mafia but he wants to lynch them?? So why, after he's posted 1 line about Conversion does he not feature in this random list of bs? On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday. And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. No key moments for Ruxxar but he has a 1 in this hidden list of who knows what? For post 862 which is ????? Is Ruxxar mafia with no key moments but also because he's boring but also because bugs said so in a case against ruxxar at some point? This is inconsistent already. Mid D1 Calix read: On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote: Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting. It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were: Calix HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good - Not scummy? -Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum it's just basic, why is that alignment specific??? Furthermore, a lot of Calix's few points highlight how townie she finds Jock - which iGrok scum reads me for scum reading Jock later so it's not even like he disagrees with this post stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons not scummy Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy makes no conclusion? Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad why is this scummy??? BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more? not sure what this even means but if it's referring to bc defending igrok then that's a perfectly valid point for calix to raise Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well. But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? Just a summary but I broke it down quite well before. I'll add red above to show. The problem with iGrok's posts is he makes absolutely no valid conclusion to ANY of his posts. He posts a summary, with the conclusion above it but the conclusion doesn't add up with the highlighted summary posts in the slightest? Later he re-summarises why he scum reads Calix but he only added these points: Rux is maybe not scum because he is admitting to having trouble making reads and calix is also pushes rayn -#1247 honestly lots of true points about rayn but ones that I see as NAI because my memory of rayn's meta is palmar jr Ruxxar is maybe not scum (which iGrok actually ends up AGREEING WITH and petitioning against later in the thread (really loosely). Lots of true points about Rayn. How are ANY of these points adding up to Calix being MORE mafia than before? This is especially the case when he just randomly threw my name into being mafia and then essentially wrote a "case" for Calix and not me. The same happens with me when I essentially have to force him to commit to a read on me: On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote: Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions HF turn on Jock was based on an inconsistency that was dropped immediately when Jock appeared frustrated yet he is saying I ONLY started it when he became demotivated which is simply not the case. What is wrong with pushing an inconsistency anyway? Apparently it's only ever to gain momentum with me. So I pushed him to clarify and this is what he said: On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon. Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch. Don't be dumb, guys. I called him out on this and he complained: HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. but he finally did it after I forced him: On May 22 2019 05:02 iGrok wrote: @HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon. Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch. Don't be dumb, guys. Notice especially the bold. Remember his earlier posts?? HF says VE's aggro on me is nonsense. Still votes for me, but his logic seems good He's using what he town read me for to now add to his scum read. My question was "who did I push when it looked like momentum was going for them?" His response was: Rayn: I STARTED the momentum against him!!!!!!! Himself: He AGREED with the logic I used and like, wtf, why do I care about when someone is afk and why would that stop me voting him? Calix out on her opening post NEVER EVER EVER happened. Ever. Ruxxar because I already explained, it was opportunistic etc. Lots of posts on it already, certainly no MOMENTUM against ruxxar that I was taking advantage of, just posting what I thought was scummy. Jock did not start to feel upset and then I took advantage, never happened. I found an inconsistency and then he started to feel bad and I stopped pressuring him completely when I realised the mistake and he explained. Back to VE and rayn????? ????????????? never??????? VE briefly for like 1/2 a second until his next post but I never forced that read or tried to gain momentum for that lynch It's all fabricated. Disformation also goes through it and confirms but he never updates that read at all, ever. I'm still mafia to him as far as I'm aware like 5 days later. Late D1 His reads are essentially myself or Calix. I BRIEFLY said Calix was mafia and never voted her which is apparently a next level play if we're both mafia or something but disfo points it out that me going for an easy lynch on Calix means it's unlikely we're mafia together iGrok has a revelation: On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo. ##unvote calix while processing But here's the thing: On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote: Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa Why does he have to decide if Calix is mafia and I'm dumb town or vice versa. If mafia never votes each other in that situation like he says and he has a big scum read on Calix for (I don't really even know why) then why am I not just town voting on mafia? This is a false dichotomy. Note the language. DUMB town. Why would it be DUMB town to vote on HIS MAFIA READ. It's quite literally the worst adjective to use in this situation: On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote: If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia. If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia. If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town. Are you with me? Nothing explains why he used the word DUMB town. It should simply be town voting his mafia read but he specifically included that word, imo by mistake. He's trying to downplay it quite conveniently in case it all goes wrong. "Oh, hf was just a dumb town voting calix after all, how was I supposed to know when he played like mafia?". Now, the meat and potatoes of it all, his voting!! On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Calix (2): Raynpelikoneet (2): iGrok (2): BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation RuXxar (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok BloodyC0bbler is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This is what the lynch list looks like just before iGrok votes at May 21 2019 22:29 BST above ^ This is what it looks like after he votes AND UNVOTES (unvotes 21 2019 22:44 BST): On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Calix (2): Raynpelikoneet (2): iGrok (2): BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation RuXxar (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok Calix is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This is during the chain of events where disfo is saying calix and I can't be mafia together: On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote: I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in. I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch. On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote: Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo. ##unvote calix while processing This has already put Calix in the lead. There's a lot of back and forth between me and him arguing points while this is what he's saying to Calix: On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote: @Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement. "If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break. I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else. That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. Calix is putting words in his mouth, manipulating his statements. On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can. Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it He still fucking reads BOTH me and Calix mafia but only one of us is!!!!!!! Why isn't he trying to figure out any of this shit???? Then he goes on to make some "this is why I think holyflare over RUXXAR" who literally just gained votes and I can't even comprehend the logic stuff he uses. He went through Ruxxar's filter, determined he was town then used a logic puzzle to theorise that if there's mafia between calix, ruxxar or hf then hf has to be scum because the others wouldn't bus. Ok, it's absolutely terrible logic because doesn't assume he could be wrong on any of us WHICH HE ACKNOWLEDGES HE'S ALREADY WRONG ON AT LEAST ONE. HE DECIDES I'M THEN SCUMMY BUT STILL SAYS WE'RE BOTH SCUMMY: On May 22 2019 10:41 iGrok wrote: Lol, Calix and HF on "INDEPENDENT TERMS" are red. The weakest of those assertions is the Calix/HF one, because HF switched off calix fairly quickly. Why you're attacking the ruxx/hf assertion doesn't make sense. In your words, "Come the fuck on". Ruxxar's filter is filled with brief periods of activity which go like this: "I'm back, here's a quick summary, some filler posts, bye". H's acting like a dude who doesn't have a whole lot of time to put into writing up stuff, but he is clearly reading based on his quotes in his posts. Not everyone spams like You, HF, Koshi, or VE. So why the fuck did he end up voting me!!!!!!!!!! On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote: Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. He legitimately spends from 2:16 BST to 3:16 BST AN ENTIRE HOUR talking about logic and NOT DEFENDING RUXXAR OR MAKING A COUNTER WAGON TO STOP HIM DYING even though he logiced that ruxxar MUST be town out of the three of me/calix and votes for me over calix! then berates bugs for the lynch! On May 22 2019 12:28 iGrok wrote: fuck you bugs, you know I was right He's posted nothing of note but excuses, little side comments and afking since this post almost 2 real life days ago. Where's his head at? Why not a single update? No vote? Demotivation from no nk? Who knows. TL;DR His early game reads are inconsistent at best. Ruxxar and disformation appear out of nowhere but even those reads don't add up. Missing other players that have done the exact same things (Conversion). His Ruxxar read is reportedly mafia OR bored town for being boring and doing nothing but he has actual points on Ruxxar and says bugs case against ruxxar was good. So, it's not just that ruxxar was boring is it? His Calix read and all of his reads really, are just summaries. Nothing he says about Calix adds up to a scum read, especially the strong one he has. He adds points later to Calix that are actually things he agrees with Calix on so why does it get STRONGER after he adds those???? His read on me is so unbelievably incorrect. When questioned I forced him to provide examples and he got called out for them being wrong but when proven wrong he ignores it and still pushes the incorrect logic. He unvoted Calix when disfo said why did hf vote calix if they're both mafia like it was some revelation (but I didn't really even ever vote her so we both could easily be mafia??) but he never really summarises this correctly. He unvoted Calix but still called her mafia, said he would never be able to lynch me, suddenly town read Ruxxar when he was up for lynch and instead of trying to stop the wagon he argued about logic of why I was mafia out of the 3 for an hour and berated bugs for ruxxar dying and being town when he did nothing to stop it and even saved his scum read in the process. He's afkd forever (allegedly will change from Friday on so excited to see what fire he brings that isn't myself or Calix). Result: [red]Mafia[red] Please vote, lynch with fire. 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On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count RuXxar (4): Calix (2): BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], iGrok (1): Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This is the vote count by the way just before igrok votes me and conversion then votes ruxxar a lot later. Calix was at 2 votes, ruxxar 4 (but ruxxar wasn't voting Calix). If iGrok voted for his scum read, Calix and ruxxar voted to save himself all it would have taken was either 1 voter to hop on or 1 to switch and ruxxar is safe. Not once did iGrok care about that but then he still berated town afterwards for lynching Ruxxar? That's a big stretch there. | ||
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On May 24 2019 10:46 iGrok wrote: Honestly, I'm impressed with the effort that went into that. Good job. Any time you want to share your opinions with the class I'm sure we'll be listening intently! | ||
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On May 24 2019 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote: HF see my last post and 2565 and get back to me. Before you ask though, I fully intend to remain a pretty passive observer for the next 24-36 hours even though I've now tried to influence the lynch. Also curious to know what you think of rayn and koshi here, because I still haven't really bothered to read them and am curious where their votes will land by EOD. Also I felt a lot of deja vu reading your response to Jock and me calling you out for surface level things last game. I realized I was getting very close to calling you scum yesterday for the exact same reasons I called you scum last game (and I believe you noted this during the night, you know the post I'm talking about even if I don't point it out explicitly), and then I held my tongue because of the way you actually agreed with my assessment but flipped town anyway LOL. I have literally no idea what your little game is in those two posts but I don't think I really care either? I'm just going to put the effort in to people's filters and figure this out for myself now that I have the time. Half the people in the game are literally afk and leaving it stale, you included really. Disfo/Conversion/Jock are like MVPs for today and I don't think I'd ever vote them for the rest of the game. Chuck VE in there too and they are my new town circle. Everyone else is fair game in my books now. Starting a clean slate. | ||
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On May 24 2019 10:52 iGrok wrote: I just got back from dinner, always check the most recent page before going back to review Before you do that, do you mind telling me who your mafia reads were just after ruxxar flipped town? | ||
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On May 24 2019 16:26 Koshi wrote: HF is mafia. Just remember that guys. Just remember it. Tou dont have to act on it. You just have to know it. I mean igrok just called me town the entire time soooo :D | ||
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On May 24 2019 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote: There probably will be. I've read what I've read so far and I haven't read iGrock properly. It'll happen before day 2 ends I promise you, but I'm not doing off the cuff scumhunting any more because I'm not very good at it, I need to prepare and read and get my facts straight and I'm a bit dumb so that takes time and effort. Luckily I made a giant case for you with a tldr that you've ignored? | ||
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I still don't know what to think of the Artanis post. It could be a person who is struggling to make reads in a game where it's quite hard to solve who is mafia and it could be his lack of thread presence and time that contributes to it. I don't think his points are awful when he makes them (his bc meta notwithstanding) but they're definitely lacking and he's a good candidate of maybe being mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2019 15:27 iGrok wrote: Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense. ##vote HF So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry. ???? HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more. -I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both Not even true, this was just under the category "Early D1" and was highlighting his inconsistency in reads Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc + Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] + Can I just point out that not only does this not include Calix but if he is indeed doing a points based approach with colouring he added 2 points that he AGREED with calix on later to his list and STILL scum read her. NOT TO MENTION he seems to have highlighted me calling VE out (I can't even read it, it looks like that at least) but DIRECTLY BELOW IT he has VE in fucking red. What the shit? Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad. No idea where I quote the same post twice, it might be easy to think I quoted the same post twice but they were 2 different igrok posts. Regardless, "Thinking he's trapped me by making me work" certainly doesn't sound like something you attribute to a mafia read. HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated. I still don't understand the dumb town thing. I have no qualms with being called dumb town, I often am. It's the inconsistency with the fact he's trying to call someone that voted for HIS MAFIA READ dumb. Why is that dumb in the slightest? HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time. staple me AND DEFINITELY READS LIKE HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Probably the WORST part of this entire post. It's my literal job if I'm mafia to push a mislynch but he's telling me that I'm 100% confident and tunelled which is calling me town 100%!!! Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out. This is flat out bull shit. You were in the thread multiple times since the end of d1 and posted such gems as "I said this first" or "good job" but couldn't be bothered to write one sentence on who you thought was mafia. Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm townHas VE red in his list he posted above but never said anything about him. Doesn't explain fake votes. Doesn't ever update his reads.. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that. But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game What was the point of all this anyway? That I'm tunneled and spammy but not mafia? Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread. VE HF is overreacting Buuuut its ok to kill rayn rayn and wbg are unlynchable Rayn and WBG are unlynchable because they are read generating igrok is blue or red if rayn and wbg are both town, they wil shit up the thread trying to lynch each other. Its been years since i last played with them, but this tracks perfectly with my memory Point for VE Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. On May 21 2019 15:14 iGrok wrote: None until I finish reading the thread. VE caught something that no one else did (publicly). HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. 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On May 24 2019 17:47 Jockmcplop wrote: I will because he needs looking at if you're gonna go for the lynch. Just so you know, though, saying "congrats you pressured me you're town" doesn't make me suddenly think "Oh shit, hf must be town." That's gonna need more than just one big long day of pressure on iGrock. A big long day of pressure on iGrock is what you're going to get. | ||
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So Rux became more townie, but still is less townie than BC. I wasn't active during this time, so who is now scummier than Rux and why haven't we heard about it? He never said ruxxar became more townie? Just that calix and myself overtook him apparently. The part about his picture showing VE as red is even better though. | ||
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On May 24 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: Points to take away from this: He shows us a list of reads that has VE red, not explained as far as I can see in the entire thread. Let me just really hammer this home for you. This guy has coloured VE red and highlights points that are negative in his image here: + Show Spoiler + BUT the only point you can see that he's said anything attributing to a positive OR a negative in this entire post is a POINT FOR VE. Where is this green highlighted in this image in the slightest??????? NOWHERE. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. No VE. Nowhere. The rest of this post literally just explains how I'm tunneled and tells everyone that he wishes he could be 100% convinced like I am but that implies I'm town. Otherwise I'm just pushing agenda, a mislynch on someone afk, anything. He never once mentions this. | ||
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Do you KNOW what the best part about this case is? The fact he doesn't scum read VE in the early game reads list quoted here but has points from d1 VE highlighted red means he either: A) Changed this read on VE between those 2 posts but never said B) Has just colour coded things after the fact But do you know what's more hilarious? The fact that he's posting this screenshot NOW as proof that he's updating the reads means HE TOOK THIS SCREENSHOT AT LEAST BEFORE HIS READS LIST OF HF, CALIX, RUX, ARTANIS, BC SO IT'S ALREADY A PREPREPARED SCREENSHOT. | ||
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On May 24 2019 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You remember me from a time when I didn't have a job and a wife my friend, I haven't played much at all since then. Please do not try to read me from activity as it will lead you astray. Please tell me which salient points cannot be rebutted by time invested compared to thread length and I will address them. How come you obsed in the last game where BC was mafia but didn't know that his mafia game looked completely different to what he's posting here? | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote: Disfo my dearest friend. Is it believable that hf is so prudent of Artanis his alignment? Based on his filter. (You dont need to reread filter. Just base it on your feelds) I got townie feels from Artanis at several parts of the game which I have never got from iGrok, ever. Do you understand how people get treated differently based on what they do or do not do? | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:11 disformation wrote: not fully sure on art myself. so it kinda makes sense that some other town dude also struggles with reading art. and the thread indeed moves 10 pages a second. and unlike grok, art always does _something_ when hes here. though not sure why hf says arts stuff isnt awful, eg arts n1 stuff looked very rushed and as i stated last page if found the waffle off bc a bit strange. I mean comparatively. Having a bad meta on BC and his read on bugs being shit is BAD but not nearly as awful as having 2 reads the entire game that don't make sense and getting caught out posting screenshots from early in the game that don't align with what you've said as evidence you're doing stuff now | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:37 disformation wrote: super confused. was 100% expecting berating and obstinate koshi. now i feel bad. @hf: yo where is the great post that was supposed to be coming? It was just a list of every time koshi mentioned Artanis' name really. Pointless now. | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:39 Koshi wrote: Let's not kid ourselves. Mafia vzry easily could be Artanis iGrok Calix and we are just being dumbasses waiting and spamming 3 cycles till we win but if those 3 are not all mafia town needs to be prepared. I mean, I'd sure like you to at least comment on iGrok and take a stance. If you think he could be town and I'm looking in the wrong direction or something then be my guest and explain that. It's not particularly helpful having a yappy dog just undermining your stances in the thread every so often. You're also making Jock paranoid and looking in the wrong places and wasting his precious time focusing on me when he could be learning how to find and case mafia! (which tbh he is doing on Artanis so not all that bad really!). I am a lot more sure on iGrok after he essentially rebutted my case by saying I was town than I am on Artanis and Calix. | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:51 Jockmcplop wrote: Haha wow iGrock looks pretty bad.. I'll be back in a bit with a proper post on it. Basically hf you and koshi are both making me paranoid. I'm being toyed with by someone. Just know that I know that. I'm pretty sure anyone else who is active except maybe VE feels something similar... I don't know what I've done to make you paranoid other than make a read on someone you think now looks bad! That's the nature of the game, I suppose. You're right to be paranoid of Koshi though, I taught him everything he knows. He's like that rebellious apprentice that always wants to beat their master but can't quite reach that level yet. | ||
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On May 24 2019 20:59 Jockmcplop wrote: You let me attack you for ages and then said 'right i'm taking over the thread'. You acted somewhat scummy somewhat deliberately and now you want to be in charge and it'll probably just happen... On top of that you're trying to get me to work with you in a town circle to find scum while imposing your agenda, whatever that is, on the group as much as you can. Why shouldn't I be paranoid? It was never deliberately, I simply didn't have time. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. It's not just LOGICALLY correct it's identical to that case you made in that one game ages ago where you had to draw a picture of a timeline and confirmed them mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:33 disformation wrote: not sure what makes me the resident art specialist, but arts filter is not huge so let me give it a shot: very early game (may 19th) scum reads bugs for a disconnect in one of wbg's posts. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2019 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I dont believe your attitude here is real. I feel a disconnect between the first paragraph and the spoiler. There's like three different contrasting emotions in here and I find it hard to reconcile as anything other than putting up a front. ##vote wherebugsgo comes back next day (may 20th), starts on bc. checks wbg's filter. says he doesnt understand some things in wbc's filter. interacts with wbg on it. says hes okay with wbgs responses + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 23:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote Annoyingly I'm satisfied with your posts for today. I'll have to figure out what I'm doing tomorrow. Gonna spend some time with the wife now. nothing on bugs till the 22nd, where bugs is null + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed town: Jockmcplop Town: Holyflare Conversion Koshi Townish: Raynpelikoneet Null: iGrok wherebugsgo Scummish: Calix VisceraEyes Lynch with fire: The Cobbler AMA. interacts a bit with wbg during the 22nd. later that day wbg is maybe scum. wbg also got a thing about artanis stuff on bc wrong. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. comes back n1 to waffle off bc and switch to wbg. main reason for the scumread is how wbg got the above mentioned fact wrong and how wbg reacted to being wrong. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Makes an incorrect statement. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo d2 he comes back and interacts with wbg once more. admits at the end that maybe his scumread on wbg is bad + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2019 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. It's not the admittance that you're wrong being a scumtell, it's how you go about it. Tonal like I said, which was very different from how HF replied. 2. I am not saying you're lying about not remembering. I'm saying that you missing a crucial detail like that when I've been on your case this game already, and BC being one of your top townreads means I find it weird you'd miss it as town, and find it more likely you simply don't care as much because you already know our alignments. 3. I can see it from that angle. Nevertheless, it's an easy strategy to apply as scum. Okay that last part at EOD I need to check out as I was asleep and never really processed, but if true then my scumread on you is pretty shite. Regarding defending Jock: I'm pretty sure I did that too. Your spreadsheet contained a bunch of percentages that don't mean anything without backing them up. Also if you're following up on things I guess it's fine and fuck this shit game is hard next thing he has no scumreads at all so he dropped wbg? from his last statement very end its not 100% clear if he wants to check something first or if he ever did that. So, just so I'm clear Artanis scum read WBG at the end of this for his RESPONSE to being wrong but then doesn't think WBG is mafia because WBG said he PUSHED FOR RUXXAR only eliminating half of Artanis' original scum read (that he wasn't pushing people). Looks a bit shit when WBG has said he's playing intentionally afk today as well so Artanis isn't exactly wrong on that point today and just backs off of it. Hmmm. Bad. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)? but... you think calix is mafia.............? | ||
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Essentially he scum reads VE in his image for early game points (and also later game points) that he never mentioned scum reading him for and hasn't actually scum read me for + has missed out giving town points for things he's complimented VE on. Thus he now thinks VE is mafia, Calix is mafia and myself are mafia but the points he has on me are that I wanted to vote Calix or VE (at least half of the red bolded things in his image are these anyway). It's not an organic read list, it's an arbitrary bolding of random things in colours that never gets updated. I mean, if VE is coloured red as mafia for just 2 points being highlighted I hate to think wtf ruxxar, disfo and conversion looked like for him to give a scum read on them early. Not to mention his read on Ruxxar was "he could be afk town or mafia" but also that he agrees with the cases on him so it's not just afk town or mafia, it's an actual scum read. If he could link that entire list for all of us to see that would be great wouldn't it? | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing? He has scum red VE for things he did in the early game but VE never came up in any read list as being mafia and in fact, iGrok said there were + points for VE (the meta on you and bugs and finding something nobody else did). Now you look at the image and see he has coloured things earlier than his read list as red! | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you stupid? no, why are you being stupid? like wtf this is not how it works. You are literally defending iGrok saying he ONLY does this as mafia if Calix is mafia but that's what you think is the case so it's a very weird stance for you to take seeing as that's the world you're living in. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is (2) impossible as town if (1) and (3)? If you point me out to a case iGrok has made on VE that iGrok has made AFTER all (1),(2),(3) happened, that has only reasons before (1),(2),(3) then you have a case based on this. I will give you that. He literally posted an image of his reads my dude. VE is as red as they come in it, thus he thinks VE is mafia. 2) The points he scum reads VE for are highlighted in red. One of those is for scum reading you BUT he doesn't scum read me for the same thing AND this existed before his read list was posted of BC, Calix, Me, Ruxxar or whatever it was. 3) NONE of these + points appear in this read list whatsoever 1) These reasons existed all game before his reads list but only now is VE red for it. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you thinking iGrok scumread VE for the summary he gave on him? Can you literally not see the picture of the giant list of highlighted reads that you have to squint to see????? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Bro I've never called HF mafia and he called me mafia. I've similarly never been red on Bugs. Careful, VE. Being that sure of me gets you lynched around here! | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly still cant realize what those things say in iGrok's shit how much ever i ctrl+f: + Show Spoiler + and this is not because my phone is bad... I will damage my eyes once again for you rayn: Koshi:
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On May 24 2019 22:44 wherebugsgo wrote: If you’re not jock and you expect reads in this post, nope none here keep moving. However if you’re confused on my alignment and want more of my thoughts read on if you wish. + Show Spoiler + So he was town last game and the answer to “did HF deliberately put me in a position where I would scumread him” is idk, but I kinda felt like regardless of my own alignment I would have called him out there. (If I were scum I’d probably have RB-hit him n1 though) Like he did fake claim just to reaction fish which on its own I found weird, but then afterward he just kept looking worse, I disagreed with reads that I thought he should obviously nail, like still scumming Pandain for old, holdover reasons from d1 and HF was ignoring perfectly good info from Pandain that indicated he was town. Maybe he read too much into rayn dying after posting 3/4 townies as scum, idk. and there was a very rare confluence of events that I think might never happen again, like HF actually being a vet and then scumming me on the host question, me VE and BC all agreeing on him, etc. etc. etc. In the absence of all that garbage my initial read on HF was town and here he is not playing super out of band to his d1 last game. I also know his situation now as far as posting quality/amount so that’s no longer alignment indicative. HF this game should be judged on the basis of 1. his reads (note who he put in his bottom 4- (Not sure if I remember the most updated version though) if both iGrok and Calix are town the chances of HF being scum jump a lot, esp if he doesn’t use the rest of today to evaluate all his other reads, since he has more time today and iGrok is as good as dead at this point. None of VE/rayn/Koshi seem to be doing any actual pushing of Calix today either, so that’s something to be on the look for. However at this moment there is not much to do IMO other than observe or ask questions if you have doubts because the lines in the sand have been drawn. + Show Spoiler + You are all grown up people and can make a decision on whether or not Calix and iGrok are mafia yourselves based on the facts put forward and their responses, nothing to do with my alignment if I am correct or wrong either, just push what you think is the most valid case in all of the game to make someone mafia and hope. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:02 Koshi wrote: Pls pls pls pls if there is a God pls make iGrok town At least he has that guy pushing for another wagon to save him by making cases on their scum reads! Oh... wait.... | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:27 Calix wrote: Who cares who mafia shot N1? Won't they just hit the same guy N2? I want your opinion on who they shot if you think mafia is rayn/igrok/koshi. Please give it. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:30 disformation wrote: art? you prolly mean bc yeah dunno. i can see koshi making the list for being a bit of an ass, but not sure why you would suggest to cop check him then for example. yeah, esp given the way he responded yesterday (and partly since art is looking not good either) i am not sure on bc. hence why im not voting him atm. would feel better if he actually did some reads yesterday as pointed out here: No, Artanis's case says "BC says he wants to lynch Koshi but he never scum reads Koshi!" BC rebuts the case by saying: "AHA, I never scum read Koshi, prove that I did!" but that isn't the point Artanis made at all. | ||
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On May 24 2019 22:07 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count iGrok (6): Holyflare, Calix, Artanis[Xp] (3): Calix (2): Holyflare(1): iGrok Wherebugsgo(0): Not voting(0): iGrok is currently set to be lynched with 6 votes. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in BC, Conversion, Rayn, VE, Koshi and iGrok not voting for iGrok BC reasons: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2019 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If not Art? At this moment im not 100%. I have a strong read on Calix but I'm easily able to admit that could because I extremely dislike her and my interaction before I went to bed. Waiting on me to simmer a bit on it and re read to come at it at a clear head. However atm it would be her. As for Igrok. I liked them because they show he is actively scum hunting and making notes. He calls people out for things he notices. Sure that can be faked. But it doesn't strike me as "HI IM MAFIA" and instead comes of more like "HI IM TOWN" Also he was willing to reevaluate a read over just auto locking a lynch due to new light. He may have re settled his read but actively being willing to update via new information is a good thing. Conversion reasons: Largely afk + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 23:09 Conversion wrote: this is such a bad post dude lol just pick someone u think is scummy and read that person. who cares about the page number On May 22 2019 10:25 Conversion wrote: ugh forgot all of EU is probably asleep.. thanks for being here. just read your post iGrok let me read through HF and Calix now. rayn: Not read anything iGrok wrote?? + Show Spoiler + Calls igrok's vote retarded or mafia Doesn't like it when I make a case on the exact thing rayn called igrok retarded or mafia for On May 20 2019 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: HEY THOSE ARE MY SCUMREADS! AND I DIDNT SAY SHIT S O GO FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN READS FFS! Fucking hypocrites all of you. Is actually part of Rayn's scum reads???? Was going through all mentions of iGrok and it got really fucking boring. Essentially he flipped his read on iGrok around for the deadline shenanigans and that he didn't vote ruxxar (who scum read his biggest scum read so would have looked really bad). Looks like rayn really is just not reading or thinking about igrok and his decisions as if he could be mafia at all. ++ points for at least looking into the timeline thing I was talking about, or trying to squint at it. VE reasons: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote: iGrok, Calix, Artanis That's where I'm landing. I'm not available for questions. If I have to I'll try and stay alive, but I'm basically following the thread and voting what I think. GG Boys. On May 23 2019 19:52 VisceraEyes wrote: He literally came back and complained about the thread size and fucked off. Whatever I like your vote just ugh, igrok can easily be mafia. 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I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right? On May 24 2019 21:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean I'm down to Calix mafia at this point anyway so like...no, I can't answer you that and I don't care to because that's about where I'm at. Maybe trying to both pseudo-contribute plus remove shade from Calix. But whatever I get it, you think it's a bit much for mafia iGrok. I would argue that it's a bit much for towniGrok too, so it's NAI, but it's whatever. Sorry if you already said this, but you're townie on Conversion right? KoshI: Help plz + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote: He voted HF in a silly jokingly way. In a world both bugs and hf are town mafia could be Calix/Conversion and maybe iGrok for example. I am now at the part VE makes a case on him but I dont understand the case fully (why it makes him mafia). It's somewhat odd at best but I can see townie do it. iGrok I dont understand the case about. On May 20 2019 20:04 Koshi wrote: Calix is so mafia but it is fine. I cba to find the rest of mafia. I am sure you will vote the townie out of conversion and igrok. Maybe both are town and the retard police is actually mafia. On May 21 2019 03:57 Koshi wrote: I guess this lynch will fall on iGrok. On May 21 2019 06:36 Koshi wrote: Maybe kill spot 10 to 13. And iGrok. On May 21 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: Artanis is not kill worthy due to first 2 pages of filter. After that he fell off. But still wont kill him today. iGrok idk. Guess we can give him 1 more cycle. But 50/50 to me. Dnu how he read me if people like wbg and jock cant. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote: Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. On May 22 2019 05:23 Koshi wrote: He made a case on mafia so its fine. No1 cares if there are minor flaws in it. On May 22 2019 05:54 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bbler maybe mafia. 2. Wheredobugsgoanyway? Not mafia 4. HolyFlare mafia 5. VisceraEyes Not mafia 6. Conversion Not mafia 7. Jockmcplop Not mafia 8. iGrok w.e no lynch d1 9. Raynpelikoneet Not mafia 10. ruXxar Not mafia 11. disformation Maybe mafia 12. Arty Mctanis w.e no lynch d1 13. Calix mafia On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: 1. BloodyC0bble 4. HolyFlare 8. iGrok 11. disformation 12. Arty Mctanis 13. Calix My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there. And rayn I don't consider till d3. On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote: iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro. On May 22 2019 07:06 Koshi wrote: Ohh now he is mafia. When momentum swings to iGrok and you will do everyrhing for it to stay there. Oki On May 22 2019 07:13 Koshi wrote: Oh wait. iGrok is on the list? Weird. Than I will just wait on flip. Dont think he can be mafia knowing my 5 other mafia reads are voting him bit w.e. On May 22 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Imagine it is rayn/iGrok/Ruxxar Laelaelaelael On May 22 2019 16:01 Koshi wrote: Calix BC And then 4 others. If we lynch BC I can make a better judgement who is left in pool. But BC has a 75% chance tops. On May 23 2019 19:26 Koshi wrote: And I still think HF is mafia. For real. I really dont think iGrok is mafia and maybe mafia is setting up the TvT with Calix/iGrok. iGrok is just not looking evil. Maybe helpless? Even though he provides his ideas. Dnu. I feel the thread has put more doubt in iGrok than he deserves for sure. On May 23 2019 19:28 Koshi wrote: No I neveraf read bugs. Also not why I townread iGrok at all. I townread him because I feel that the pressure on him is dirty. On May 23 2019 19:30 Koshi wrote: Yes. iGrok is a lynch made after more information. Like ruxxar should have been. On May 23 2019 19:38 Koshi wrote: Meh. You say weird things. You jump off Calix and I need to stay on her? Dnu bro. Lynch on Calix might be dirty because iGrok is not mafia. On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote: Oh well. RIP iGrok. I think you got lynched by mafia regardless of your alignment. On May 24 2019 19:57 Koshi wrote: Is iGrok on or of my 5 people list? I forgot again. On May 24 2019 19:59 Koshi wrote: Apparantly not. Well the 20% HF is not mafia iGrok is likely mafia. Calix HF Artanis still. BC is joker now. On May 24 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote: Calix still so mafia though. Calix Hf Artanis And we lynch igrok of all people. On May 24 2019 20:46 Koshi wrote: This game is going into the right direction unledd iGrok flips town because then you are mafia. (80%) So everything is fine as it is. On May 24 2019 21:56 Koshi wrote: I dont believe mafia is bussing iGrok like this. This guy flip flops on his reads more than anyone in the game. First igrok is mafia, then he's in a list of 6 mafia, then he's town but oh wait he's in a list as mafia again. 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On May 24 2019 23:37 iGrok wrote: Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't. Post your read diagram in full please. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:45 iGrok wrote: This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum. Not true, he flip flops over it repeatedly. You can just ctrl + f each of our names in his filter and like clockwork it's hf could be town, nah mafia, oh wait town, nah ok mafia and the same with calix. At some point he even said you and her could both be town. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry, "scumread" me VE I nailed on you on a lie about scumreading me and #2495 is probably the single scummiest post anyone has made in this entire game. Can you explain it like I'm 5. Why is this post the scummiest in the game? | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:59 wherebugsgo wrote: look at VE's in-thread stated scum reads (or try to remember them off the top of your head) and then look at his day 1 votes. Then also look at where his day 1 vote ended. Then come back and explain it to me yourself. Hard pass. Why does this not apply to calix and igrok? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:05 wherebugsgo wrote: when did I say it does not apply to iGrok? It clearly does, otherwise I 1. wouldn't be voting him, 2. wouldn't have posted several times already corroborating your case and 3. wouldn't try to rebut literally the only surface-level reason stated by anyone (rayn) for townreading iGrok based on his EoD behaviour in #3239 The same logic doesn't apply to Calix because she was defending herself from being lynched. No, she wasn't. She said she decided to town read igrok at deadline because she saw a townie trait in him (when he said he unvoted her to figure out the game). On May 22 2019 08:39 Calix wrote: Holy shit, you bite back. I think I need to sit down for a moment. But in all seriousness, this post actually sounds like a town frustrated at my perceived stubbornness. On May 22 2019 09:56 Calix wrote: What good post did he make and why didn't you mention this earlier? Also I just want to make it clear that I basically saved your arse for another day by voting for ruxxar. I could've easily just told everyone to fuck off and stay on you. And I don't know whether that was the smartest thing I've ever done. So if you could just do things like telling us your Artanis read without prodding, that would be WONDERFUL. Because I'm the only other person in the thread right now. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:07 Holyflare wrote: No, she wasn't. She said she decided to town read igrok at deadline because she saw a townie trait in him (when he said he unvoted her to figure out the game). I don't actually know what I'm arguing about here tbh. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:09 Holyflare wrote: I don't actually know what I'm arguing about here tbh. I realised this isn't what you were talking about at all :D but still, I don't think that VE post is that bad, it has a smiley face at the end and sounds facetious af | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:56 Holyflare wrote: f5 f5 f5 has igrok posted yet? oh... cya in 12 hours for his next post I guess | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:18 Conversion wrote: man how are there 23+ pages since I last left! and why are people off scum again! did Artanis prove himself town somehow? Hi, I'm Holyflare and I type lots of shiny things and people follow. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:15 Holyflare wrote: I think it might be BC and he's being super reasonable this game for a change. I think I'm really feeling it. Or confirmation biasing myself. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:22 disformation wrote: huh? can you try to explain the earlier point? not sure i got it. maybe i should clean up that bc quote fuck case after all Which earlier point? The Artanis case one? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote: HF why do you think I am mafia again? You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it. But then you don't do anything with the info, lol? That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC. | ||
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On May 24 2019 23:23 disformation wrote: note on addition 2: Ah, sorry, it was Jock talking about Artanis' case and then having some additional points in it. Either way: Addition 2: 2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good. This is what BC has a qualm with of all the things and his point is: On May 24 2019 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am like 100% certain I never scumread Koshi. Which means you aren't reading my filter. So If you can find the posts (as I just filter dived myself and can't find them) I will concede to your points and not even fight a lynch if people say I'm scum Point never said he scum read Koshi. It specifically said he wanted to lynch koshi but never scum read him. I guess BC explains it was a spite lynch in the 2nd quote so it doesn't really mean anything tbh. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:26 Calix wrote: Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me. But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not. I didn't, did I? :D | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote: pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more. here's my state of the game: list of reads so far: (the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not) REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?): koshi disformation town, never lynch: bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN) probably town, look at others below before lynching: calix VE BC jock rayn null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok probably scum: artanis but you put him as null to scummish??? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:32 Calix wrote: What was that you were saying about iGrok? Something something hiding reads is bad something something I'm not hiding it, I just don't have one lol! | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:34 Calix wrote: I find this hard to believe. We've had similar ideas for most of the game AFAICT yet you have no read on me whatsoever? None at all. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: There was a pm game in PYP where he fooled me by being nice in PMs, but don't know what his thread demeanor was https://tl.net/forum/mafia/230789-tl-mafia-xlii?user=BloodyC0bbler that one? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:36 Calix wrote: Dunno why I bother with talking to you people when it's as productive as walking through a mile of Lego bricks. I'm kind of twiddling my thumbs and reading BC while I wait for iGrok to post... anything. Could be here a long while. | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:40 Koshi wrote: Why do you people play mafia and think at the same time? It's fun™! | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't fucking fair I wanted to play with HF but I definitely didn't want to be harpied whilst doing so. You can just ignore bugs for a bit. Was it the game I linked to you that bugs was calm? | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:42 Holyflare wrote: You can just ignore bugs for a bit. Was it the game I linked to you that bugs was calm? BC* | ||
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On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino) but he still votes HF at the end! I mean he town cased ruxxar so that's not my point? | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:15 disformation wrote: ended up tripple checking the image hf posted. might actually have an answer that could make sense, but im not gonna post it before igrok responds. I also kind of do. Don't give him help. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:22 iGrok wrote: I'm back in for lunch, writing up some stuff now. What am I supposed to respond to? I can fold that in to my writeup Did you know your "scum read" on me is for staple hf town things? What's your opinion on that? | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:35 iGrok wrote: This one's easy, but you won't like the answer. Based on #246, I thought VE picked up on why I fake-voted for rayn, which I did for reasons that I'm not allowed to talk about. VE had 4 hidden hidden points (and still does, after D1 I don't think I need hidden thoughts). Two of those are green. So you're saying you have a hidden read list that you haven't shown anyone but within that hidden read list there's hidden reads? | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:36 Jockmcplop wrote: Yo hf what do you think of BC? You spent ages reading him but didn't really say what you thought at the end of it just something about Art saying a thing about BC and Koshi.. Nah I stopped reading him and got bored again so I'm taking a break while I wait for igrok. There was a lot of wrong stuff I saw him posting about and I think it would be easy to actually make a case about him being mafia but his meta is very very different, even from the civil game he was mafia in. | ||
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On May 25 2019 02:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Didn't that happen with calix as well??? You might as well stop trying and just concentrate on your one read Yeah I lost a lot of passion when the game gets boring not interacting with scum reads. | ||
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Rayn I'm pretty sure is town because he made what is, in my memory, the most town rayn play: shit up the thread D1 early to generate activity to generate reads, find someone he thinks is mafia, call everyone else dumb for not getting it, and stops playing until he gets another mafia read. Like what the fuck does this even say? It was rayn's intentional play to get mad and really sad and demotivated? Not my play to fake case rayn to get everyone to talk and make reads? What part of rayn shitting up the thread generated his reads on Jock which were solely based on posts I was making and jock was sheeping? | ||
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I think Conv is confirmed town because #806 and tone reasons. He doesn't post a ton but when he does its typically meaningful. Sounds exactly like a townie who started strong but is getting overwhelmed with the sheer amount of spam in the game, which I can completely empathize with. Conversion is confirmed town because he meta dived your other confirmed town disformation in post #806 and "reasons"??? | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:09 iGrok wrote: Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia. Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways? You are without a doubt in my mind getting lynched. The best you can do is leave a legacy if you are town. No copping out with this bs. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:11 Jockmcplop wrote: Its amazing really. Its like you already knew who all the town are and only tell us when they look like they're gonna get lynched. It's easy to be right about everybody when he lists every possibility for every person in the thread. | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote: You think this image makes him town? Or what? I'm mafia for.....not unvoting Grok? What does this even mean? they were never hidden + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this. none of the things that should be coloured are half the things that are coloured don't make sense together inconsistent colouring based on events occuring after so the colours don't change with new info | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:33 iGrok wrote: Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does. Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do? I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why? | ||
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On May 25 2019 03:36 Holyflare wrote: Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do? I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why? | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote: Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can. Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it I mean it's not inconsistent with what he's said in the thread but it is opportunistic to throw in the "I haven't paid much attention to him d2". | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI. Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you. VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game. I mean if he's mafia with TMI who is pushing town me then he's going to say it doesn't make sense??? Regardless, I've already done your work for you on the people not voting igrok: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?page=164#3268 | ||
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He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was: On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote: pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that anyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? but his read just a few posts before was: null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night: holyflare igrok I called him out and it was: On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote: considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE. if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum). I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK. It's really weird because his original post had this: iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's: On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote: hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything? woof On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote: oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino) but he still votes HF at the end! It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong! | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote: Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways... I mean artanis COULD be mafia but then you have to think of the following things: If you think iGrok could also be mafia and likely is then what are mafia doing? They have 2 mafia up for lynch and they're not promoting alternatives hard enough to save their teammates? Alternatively, if iGrok is mafia Artanis is the counter wagon of choice and vice versa. Unless you think mafia are trying to push a counter wagon in me (from iGrok) but then why is iGrok not really pushing that read and his only alternative is Artanis now that he's decided to eliminate calix from his mafia read for no reason (other than he scum reads me so if she's town, conveniently leaves her open next as his logic puzzle bs)? | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote: I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it. You have quite literally caused this. You don't post any case, no proper reasons for defending people and spam whatever. You need to lead a thread if you want anything done, not undermine the only person that was actually leading it repeatedly. What is the case to lynch artanis that people should follow over the case on iGrok? | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:35 Koshi wrote: He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did. Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time. Come on hf. It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts. You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you. Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone. | ||
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But WHY artanis then? Just because he's afk and not really posted much? Poe? Why do you defend conversion from rayn? Did you read what I just wrote about his stance on igrok? | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:39 Jockmcplop wrote: + Show Spoiler + Once people start claiming roles I get really confused really fast. I would appreciate it so much if someone could - out of the kindness of your obviously oversized hearts - explain shit to me like a 2 year old - in spoilers if you want to avoid disrupting the thread vibe, or I might disappear... Koshi has claimed veteran to stop nonsense reads on him and because mafia would likely know he's a veteran or was jailed anyway. More likely to stop nonsense. I guess it's also to get him some thread power? Don't hate the play tbh. If he's just getting jailed it doesn't say he can't get jailed again so not a bad play either. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote: That is the scummiest claim I’ve ever seen No way mafia shoots Koshi of all people in this game, over HF, over Jock, over myself even He should be autolynch here for that Are you mafia? :D | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:42 Koshi wrote: I can also be town veteran and mafia forgot to shoot. But that is not important. nah Mafia can not hold their shot. In the (hopefully unlikely) event that no mafia shot is presented to the hosts, a non-mafia target will be chosen at random. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:39 Holyflare wrote: But WHY artanis then? Just because he's afk and not really posted much? Poe? Why do you defend conversion from rayn? Did you read what I just wrote about his stance on igrok? | ||
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Can you look at my conversion post at least? If you think igrok is town then he did the most opportune hop on I saw. | ||
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On May 25 2019 04:18 Holyflare wrote: I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons: He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was: but his read just a few posts before was: I called him out and it was: It's really weird because his original post had this: So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's: It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong! Please comment. Like and subscribe. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote: Do we buy that I made rayn demotivated d1 when his jock read got proven correct and he's suffering ever since? Think we might have to for now. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: He correctly hard reads Koshi town for nothing. Risky if mafia He did before the nk too didn't he? Don't see how it would change. Probably more risky to say he doesn't town read koshi if he's mafia. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Lol why? That reads as clueless townie if he calls Koshi mad there. Koshi thinks maf know he's town. More because of history and even more so because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to go from koshi is town to koshi is mafia after the nk because that's instant red flag regardless of if koshi was vet or not. If I'm mafia I'm placating and town reading as many people that know me as I can until I need to not town read them anymore. | ||
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What that's meant to say is "he even got iGrok's voting situation wrong" because it was obvious he didn't scum read ruxxar anymore. | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: But that's not what he's doing He claimed and instantly was like "Well maybe I lynch not HF, maybe I lynch Bugs" He didn't stick to his reads at all! He INSTANTLY started shuffling around! wait are you throwing shade on koshi now too? | ||
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On May 25 2019 05:55 Conversion wrote: but I admitted to that mistake and said the real weird thing was how he how he seems to just ignore Artanis for no real good reason when he seemed completely OK voting townies off to save himself, but he somehow won’t comment on Art at all when he’s the competing wagon, even when Art has some good momentum not disagreeing just saying it was a weird interaction for you in the thread forgetting things like 3 times in a short space of time when you've been all about meta and accuracy for most of it | ||
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bugs/bc could have shot him out of spite haven't checked who else town read him so, no, not really a good premise | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn/igrok townread Koshi I concede Bugs/BC could have shot him out of spite, but SAVE THAT, it's a decent premise, right? Work with me dude I know you don't think it's likely but please don't shut me out right now. Feel free to work with your assumptions but I just don't subscribe to that school tbh. | ||
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Have you read my cases? | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: But he's UNQUESTIONABLY the lynch target today before Koshi claim. OMG who cares lynch me for it lol I really don't care. Like I come in and the second I start to actually think and try and help everyones like KILLHIM Continue your point then. Let's pretend Koshi is mafia saving mafia buddy iGrok. Koshi claims veteran knowing that someone was saved last night and he can just get CCd and outed? That's like the worst play I can think of. | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: You LITERALLY said a JK should NOT CC. That is IN your filter. But whatever lynch me motherfucker I don't care They absolutely shouldn't but nor should they protect Koshi tomorrow either. If Koshi does not die then they can. | ||
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Third party: Survivor - You have no special powers and have no allegiance to either faction. You win if you survive until the end of the game, regardless of which faction wins. oh for fuck sake is this the kind of game we're playing? if you're survivor claim now or I'll just lynch you later | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What page in your filter is in it? For ease of my reading it Somewhere between 1 and the end of it. + Show Spoiler + https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?user=Holyflare&page=16 | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: It is done. I bid you a fair adieu. You just saved iGrok, don't be a hater. | ||
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On May 25 2019 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh wow you mean his effort today makes him seem townie? EXACTLY AS I SAID TWENTY PAGES AGO? He not only detunneled in that post, but he FOLLOWED THROUGH AND FILTERED EVERY ONE OF BC ARTANIS AND VE YES VE Ah I forgot about that :D Town read him for that too. | ||
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It's a mafia term where they can't lynch you because you're essentially the thread's mother and too innocent looking | ||
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On May 25 2019 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: fine, this is actually a really fair point. I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi. If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose. That is a good scenario to happen because then we've stopped 2 mafia kp??? Jailor doesn't have to claim. | ||
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On May 25 2019 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I've made my case already. Still dont think iGrko is mafia and HF case is not as strong as claims. Dfinitely not timeline case strong. That's not even the case. You haven't even read it lol. | ||
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On May 25 2019 19:37 disformation wrote: i think that was a trap attempt by hf, cause hf cropped the image in a way that not all lines were shown. I didn't crop it, that was literally the image igrok posted. | ||
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On May 25 2019 19:59 Koshi wrote: And he will push votes to iGrok withafia help. And that is so sad. I won't allow it if he's just gonna post one thing and fuck off. | ||
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On May 25 2019 20:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: put yourself in his shoes dude. I know you are trying to get him to help, but to do that (he can correct me here) you have to do more than try to engage with just him. And be open to a true engagement. I would like to believe you are willing to do that, but this game seems otherwise. Like, bugs, me, HF, you, koshi, etc... We are all guilty of tunneling and being stubborn. Want him to open up? filter dive him, give your take on the case and ask for clarification, etc... Asking someone general questions that exist in a filter arent going to work =\ I've literally asked iGrok questions and he just ignores me repeatedly. What am I supposed to do? I don't think I've been too stubborn to interact, I'm well open to iGrok being town and voting off the afk shitters like Artanis etc but just stone walled repeatedly and it's like pulling teeth to get anyone that's not ve/disfo or eventually bugs to interact with anything. | ||
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On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me. I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why! | ||
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On May 25 2019 21:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post: The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him. How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet? Then stop making summaries as if you've fully caught up yet then lol. Just read and make a summary of everything and what you think :/ | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote: read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote: why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy? Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy. On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Calix (2): Raynpelikoneet (2): iGrok (2): BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation RuXxar (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok Calix is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch. On May 22 2019 06:53 Calix wrote: ##vote iGrok On May 22 2019 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: ruXxar On May 22 2019 08:43 disformation wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: ruXxar On May 22 2019 08:46 Calix wrote: ##unvote ##vote ruxxar On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count RuXxar (4): Calix (2): BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], iGrok (1): Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo. | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool. How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes? | ||
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On May 25 2019 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet? On May 25 2019 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good thing you're fine with the now unavoidable lynch 30 min before deadline. page 97 22:02 tl time page 102 22:37 tl time 35 minutes to read 5 pages + make some posts in thread On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool. 22:50 page 158 13 minutes to read 56 pages after that + make posts in thread? | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Is the first one willing to consider not iGrok or were you just trolling people? I mean if he literally just interacted with me and answered my questions I wouldn't be voting him at all even after my case so that's a really fucking net negative play if he's mafia or town. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Unfortunately that doesn't make him mafia. I thought basically the same thing last game, but especially the comment after game where he said never listen to rayn when i voted for mafia D1 and died on N1 and he managed to land his vote on zero mafia in four days, idk i realised he actually believes in his narratives. Idk what's the point of even interacting a player like that, like earlier you asked me about my claim, the "weird" wording on Conversion's question, i explained it, bugs has just completely skipped over it and is still saying i am fakeclaiming. Again, what's the point in interacting a player like that? I am not even reading his posts anymore. You gotta learn to let go my man. Last game isn't real anymore, just history. Be free rayn, be free. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm town and I refused to interact with bugs for like 4 irl days. *shrug* Nah, I get it but that's because of the way he talks to you and the questions are like thrown into 10 pages of long things hidden behind 5 different games. I just want simple answers tbh. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:11 disformation wrote: i clicked the link to your filter. you are on 35 pages. did you explain that sr on calix? what you think about my small points i made on her earlier? just sayin But his meta™ | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + This is his posted read list a while ago when responding to me. It shows VE as red coloured for points up to when he posted it. That's 2 red coloured things on his list and 2 (cut off when he showed the later one) green posts (that aren't actually related to what VE has said, just meta so don't actually know why they are coloured green). This is his post after with VE not coloured green or red or anything, just white + Show Spoiler + As you can see, literally nothing has changed other than the cropping but his name has changed colour. He also clarifies the following: On May 25 2019 03:23 iGrok wrote: Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green. Basically my read on you has never been certain. So, he's got 2 hidden reads in green (why are there even hidden ones if he was never showing this to begin with who the fuck knows?) but this doesn't correlate with what he's said here: On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday. And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. There are 4 hidden points for VE. Can you please make him clarify when these "hidden points" occurred. It makes a big big lot of difference based on the colouring times. | ||
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On May 25 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Gimme a sec Holyflare i need to go to the store real quick first, i will answer your iGrok case right after, since i think you at least deserve an answer whther or not you like the answer. Ignore the read colouring part, that's subpar compared to the actual case. | ||
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On May 26 2019 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not enough to make a case but i definitely saw some scum!BC traits there. wait you're AGREEING with artanis case? What | ||
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BloodyC0bbler Table of Contents Read Progression - Inconsistent Thoughts and Scummy Jock Reads - Really Scummy Looking Other D1 Reads - Not awful Post D1 Flip/N1 - Inconsistent/Not Awful D2 - Not Bad/Consistent TL;DR His read progression + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. BC begins the game saying that the vote train on Rayn is really bad (from me) because I fake claim stuff all the time but this was quite literally nothing to do with fake claiming anything. Straight after he then goes on to say if you voted for Rayn for anything after that you are in the clear for now but he has the following things. Both of these things are inconsistent AND unrelated to each other. One of them is simply about his view on myself and the other is for everyone else that voted for Rayn after the fact (but I was the first one to vote for rayn for something not to do with the claim too!) so it's a lot of hot air. On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post. Early thread leanings VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum He posts a small read list but there's several inconsistent things related to it. Earlier he said that everyone voting for rayn after the fact is in the clear for now but Jock and myself both voted for rayn after the fact and are null to scum and Rayn is null possible town. This is internally inconsistent with what BC has promoted in the thread. Why is everyone that voted for rayn after the claim thing clear if he town reads rayn? Calix is also scum but shares this same sentiment, so really the beginning of his post was entirely irrelevant wasn't it? Furthermore, he scum reads Calix for her opening post saying it's anything but "certain" but doesn't evaluate where it's UNcertain. I'd argue it's not really uncertain at all like he makes it out to be, quite the opposite in fact, very hard stances. This post seems like a terrible conclusion to me: On May 20 2019 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying Both Ruxxar and Calix are on his lean scum reads (Calix being mafia) but his conclusion after this is that Ruxxar AND Calix are mafia or one of them is. It's a bit of a backwards conclusion to make rather than Ruxxar just being town. What you'd be even more confused to know is that this ruxxar conclusion comes BEFORE BC had already made his read list that called ruxxar/calix lean scum/scum so it's already gone back in time to make a weird conclusion that wasn't even necessary if that's what he already concluded in his reads list. Just looks like posturing to me. His Jock Reads His stance on Jock: BC asks me for my stance on Jock's post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HF. Ignoring Rayns case on Jock. What do you think of Not knowing why he asked it I answered it and he didn't really provide anything from it. That was until he posted this shortly after: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn, take a step back and take a chill pill. Regardless of what else Jock has posted in thread, his most damning post is the one I quoted. Again, I want at least VE or Bugs, preferably both and a few others to talk on it and I will say why. However at this point, Ruxxar and Calix are the 2 scummiest people in thread. I mean I would actually kill Ruxxar over Calix at this point but we also have 48 hours or some nonsense left to get information on people. He says this is Jock's most damning post (scummy post he implies) but if you read the contents of Jock's post it's exactly what BC was talking about in the start of his opening post! People voting for Rayn after his claim are in the clear. But they aren't when BC mentions them. Can you predict what happens next? It may surprise you! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He never explains why this Jock post is damning, never elaborates on it, doesn't follow up with Rayn on Jock at all. It's clearly not very damning in the slightest because Jock doesn't even appear in the fucking scum reads after: On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to. Town reads VE HF (god help me) Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation Null Everyone else fml Maybe he's hiding something? On May 20 2019 07:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I want VE and Bugs to comment on this now please. Disformation rightly calls him out on it: On May 20 2019 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone else interested that he wonders where my jock read is but doesn't give a fuck that I put him as mafia ? All the meanwhile he is dangling this Jock read like it's the best thing since sliced bread that people need to comment on BUT he's downgrading Rayn all the while even though Rayn's only real points and bull headedness are directed to Jock. More dangling: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are a good enough player to change what I am seeing if I out it atm. This is purely for my own read of your meta. If it makes you feel better if I need to bring it up it will be done in a very similar manner to which I did (although wrongly) to HF last game. So you will be able to very clearly see my thought process. I wont bring it up now purely because I don't think you are someone who should even be up to be lynched today and until you post shit that changes my mind on that I dont want to waste more time cluttering the thread when there are better options IMO More waiting: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Come on bugs. Answer what I asked youuuuu + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE Repeats the same Jock dangling like for an entire page of filter on page 2. Meanwhile, repeat quotes Ruxxar and Calix's opening posts but says no conclusions, just "let's talk about it". Always trying to get people to talk about things and never reaching real conclusions. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Didn't see this before i made my last post so dont need to repeat yourself. + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You reason for Jock and Mine are completely different. I have a scum lean but not strong enough that Im happy with. Bugs has given me currently the best answer to jock if that helps you understand my thought process at all. On May 20 2019 07:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and by best answer, he answered what I was actually looking for. but Bugs' post was a town read of Jock????? On May 20 2019 08:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ill be back in like 5-6 ish hours. Doing some family stuff. Please for the love of god dont turn this thread into a shitshow in the meantime though Then he fucking vanishes ALONG WITH HIS JOCK READ. Like what the actual fuck. He's dangled this read, returns to the thread when Bugs is saying we should lynch ruxxar telling bugs he's not going to sheep because he independently has said ruxxar is scummy (but all he's actually done is quote ONE RUXXAR POST ALL GAME) saying that it's scummy even though it AGREES with his conclusion on Calix. BUT WAIT: On May 20 2019 14:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again, im not saying kill jock as of right now. What I am saying is this. Keep an eye on him. The reason the post of his I quoted earlier i said was the "scummiest thing" he has done is a few reasons A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady. Basically hes a good cop check? Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. AFTER 2 PAGES OF DANGLING THE JOCK READ IT TURNS OUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUGS SAID REALLY AND IT'S LITERALLY JUST "HE'S DONE NOTHING OUTSIDE OF RAYN READ". Like wtf, he's a good cop check, that's it? 2 pages of filter getting a read on jock and it's, oh he's not done much hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Don't even get me started on this DISFORMATION scum read. What's it based off of? The post he quoted earlier that I even rebutted saying it actually made disfo town? Is that it? It's unexplained completely, no backing up, no evidence, nothing. Jock is even just a fucking null read it turns out: On May 20 2019 17:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are still more nullish read to me. Again I want to see more? If you are town me watching for a bit to get a solid read on you. Dont want to repeat last game. ........... He gives a pass to artanis and igrok because he knows their names or whatever but then Artanis scum reads him for (awful) meta and BC following thread sentiment but BC doesn't even accuse him of the meta being bad he just wants credit for being the first person to scum read them (all he did was quote a first post and put them in a list...) and that's his huge gripe with artanis that he puts him as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list. On May 21 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This quite honestly sounds like you are actively reading the thread but opting to not post to avoid the active players. Active players who are trying to figure the game out. Now why wouldn't you want to be helping figure the game out? I'm fine with this. Just thought it's relevant to build the narrative. On May 21 2019 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Makes you feel any better, I feel mine is off as well. He says he feels his town circle is off too but doesn't elaborate how, nor do we ever find out because as far as I'm aware he still town reads everyone he's listed. On May 21 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Based on that Logic alone, I would expect you to not view Calix as Mafia given that the post that made you think she was mafia (which was her first game post) is literally the exact same thing you did just replace rayn with her. Id suggest if you would like to meta read me (which I believe is easy to do) go look at any of my other games. I have well, many spanning back years. So go for it. Here he deflects a ruxxar point about why he got so defensive with Artanis entirely on its head and makes it about him and Calix?????????????? Dodge much. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH your tone currently sounds super diff than last game VE. Also your auto swap aggro to HF is the shit he is referring to. On May 21 2019 09:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yeah. Bugs you can stay in my town circle. Anyone wondering why anyone (mainly bugs and myself) Are on ruxxar. 1) his first post called out someone for being mafia. This post however was near identical to the person he called mafia. 2) when pushed on said read he highlighted one aspect that made him think calix was red. Which was a read on bugs. 3) subsequently from then he has said town reads, been ok to just swap to other likely wagons (with near no stated reason) and thrown shade without solid commitment to anything. 4) active lurking. All these things are mafia traits. As such I believe he has a higher likelihood to flip scum. People can keep looking at other people. I mean I want people to keep hunting for the other scum. However the lack of anyone wanting to even comment on ruxxar while trying to bring igrok/calix/anyone else forward is odd. Scum reads Ruxxar for first post still even though it called his scum read (calix) mafia and for pretty much the same reasons too! No idea what the second read means and 3 and 4 don't really make anyone mafia but I can believe that someone would think that. What I don't understand is why he defends igrok/calix/other people here when he scum reads calix quite a lot, has defended igrok and whatever else? What's wrong with talking about other people? Why doesn't he mention anyone specific that this is bad for? He spent 2 pages getting people to comment on his Jock null read/scum lean so why doesn't he actually do the same when he has mafia points on Ruxxar? Inconsistent thought process to early entirely. He goes afk and returns with + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\ Basically mine is as followed Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis His read list... still has disformation in it... for what I can only imagine was that ONE post he quoted at the START of the game like 10 years ago that doesn't mean anything. Calix is literally associative and nothing has changed on her from his perspective and even says they both could still be mafia? So disformation's ONE post outweighs the entirety of his calix dislike? I don't believe it. Artanis is thrown in there for one post effectively also. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WORST THING THOUGH: On May 21 2019 20:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The jock read has been explained in thread, however it was by bugs. The entire premise of me asking people (specifically the ones I was asking) was to try and recreate something we made last game that was well, helpful even if we were wrong at points. Also as for you? You have provided nothing of value to the thread, maintain activity levels, but basically don't do anything to help further a lynch / find possible mafia. This is clearly how I see your posting. Others clearly could see it differently. Also how about for a change you actually post who you think is mafia? Hell theres enough of a thread. If you could lynch 1 of 3 people right now, list them. Also Conversion I ask you the same question. Who are your top 3 scum reads and why THIS ISN'T TRUE. BUGS DID NOT EXPLAIN BC'S JOCK READ BECAUSE BC'S JOCK READ WAS A SCUM LEAN FOR A LONG TIME. It only became "null" later after Jock's argument with rayn/myself. Disformation is playing well because he calls out BC for it and he doubles down that his read was null! On May 21 2019 20:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Jesus fuck Disinformation. This was my original read for jock. Posted in the fucking thread, hell its even in my filter you just dove. Some question to disfo or whatever and upgrades Calix to a town read after some pages, wants to dive VE but doesn't want to read filter. Disfo hammers down on BC. +++++++ points for disfo, really good player + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2019 20:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize that after the post I just quoted of mine I basically didnt talk about Jock for ages? Why do you care about my Jock read progression. I literally in my filter said I wasn't 100% on him and it was a lean. Why the hell do you care more about my reasons for someone leaning scum as opposed to someone I think is scum? You are reading the thread, you have been here more or less active the entire game day and have offered nothing of substance. Help us solve the game, or if you just insist on tunneling people who point in your direction get ready to likely get vigi'd or lynched. Other D1 Read Progressions He goes after conversion who can't name 3 mafia reads as if that makes someone mafia even though he's expressed this game is hard and his mafia reads if you follow his list are up in the air too! On May 21 2019 20:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Or god help us. Listen to HF and bugs and vote VE. -_- This game does sound completely diff from last game and far less collaborative, or hell, even an attempt at collaboration. Says jock should listen to hf and bugs and vote VE. On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well. Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town. doubles down on ve maybe being mafia On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fuck. I need to sleep. Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter. If hes not who we decide to lynch. At this point id still be down for Artanis Disinformation Ruxxar. I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities strike 2 on saying he needs to read VE's filter and not doing it but actually voting him - no reasons for voting him either and STILL HAS THE 3 SAME SCUM READS TOO so what the fuck is VE being voted for exactly? This artanis rebuttal I don't actually hate: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Has the pull? Maybe? We have like what? less than 7 hours before the deadline and I leave for work in about an hour. Between now and then i'm not around. Even if you doubt his level of pull, he got an auto sheep vote already, and other people actively talking about swinging that way. Given that I think Artanis is showing his mafia hand why wouldnt I at least push back? Dude. The guy clearly cherry picked my filter / created a false scenario of events on how I am playing. On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also based on the last few pages alone Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets. VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back. No idea where Koshi appeared in this list. Either way, still same 3 scum reads as before. His vote wasn't on ruxxar because he voted Artanis... on his own but was afk so it's whatever. Maybe even +++ points because he was one of the leading wagons and didn't vote to save himself at that point in any way despite knowing he had to go afk. Post-D1 Flip/N1 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. Sorrow at Ruxxar's flip, summary disagreeing with Bugs on VE. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi look decent and should be protected. Still on Artanis. rest are in between Calix (his upgraded to town read read (inconsistent!), Igrok (he defends him repeatedly), Conversion (he town read him???????) and disformation (still seemingly on one post......). These look very incongruent with everything he's said before the flip so I'm not really sure how he gets this list in the slightest! PoE? Needs to reread Calix and iGrok as tunelling 3 scum reads let them slip by (but he town read calix?). + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. Defends VE some more, wants to policy shoot bugs for claiming mafia. Koshi dislike. Afk's rest of night - not really any new info this whole night and bit of an inconsistent who to scum read post. Overall not awful but nothing special. Just existing. D2 Reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 19:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well, be it vet or Jailer, good work last night. It almost makes up for our screw up D1. Now let us learn from our mistakes and get this lynch right. TBH Based on yesterdays escapades the current people to start the day looking at to lynch. Myself Calix Igrok Artanis Possibly add in Disinformation/Conversation. However as much as I know I am town, there is enough suspicion that we need to sort me out as well as the other 3. We have all been accused / still being accused of being mafia so as much as you all have your other reads. (please do share them clearly) Consolidation on a lynch priority barring some new pressing information everyone should be weighing in on this group. If nothing else it forces everyone to hard stance enough and prevents people from waffling or "appearing" and not actually providing substance. I think we can all agree on this? I hope so at least. I have posted my reasons already on Artanis. Even with everything that has happened and taking a step back I can still see him bleeding red. Callix I could see flipping red, however I havent been able to keep a stable read on her all game. I saw her as red based purely on her opening post. There are other posts that reinforce that decision but at the same time there are a ton that I see being made specifically from the mindset from someone who is town. Given that my biggest reason for ever seeing her as scum was basically the same reason I saw ruxxar as scum I would say she is a lower priority to kill than the me/igrok/artanis group. Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? List of Calix/Himself??/iGrok/Artanis Possibly add disformation/conversion N1 reads: Artanis/Calix/igrok/disformation/conversion Igrok. I really haven't spent much time on him. Going to go do that now, but I will honestly say based on everything I can currently remember from day 1. The worst thing he did was the weird association between HF/Ruxxar/Calix? Then he votes Artanis, defends iGrok again. On May 23 2019 19:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know this will likely damn me but whatever. I am looking into Igroks filter. Opening a post and reading the thread around it for context and I just dont see it. He is actively trying to figure the thread out IMO and his reads do appear to change based on how the thread progresses. Again, he can easily be fooling me but I just don't see how he priority in lynching at this moment in time. As such ##vote artanis On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards. Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game. Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. I really don't understand the read because it doesn't look like that at all, static Calix/HF is mafia read not being updated all game. But then he links to posts which make him feel that way and it feels internally consistent for BC to make this read, so no hate for it. Gets into some argument with Calix which I don't hate, seems irrelevant though and about game styles. Backs up his Artanis post. Asks disfo why he town reads artanis for case on bc which is consistent with BC hating it (obviously). Asked who if not artanis to vote for then said Calix but not 100%, may just dislike her style. Says iGrok probably town. Links meta to Artanis saying that he's totally different and that Artanis was even an observer in the game. Says he wouldn't shoot Koshi. At this point I'm really bored. If you're reading this part please post a "hello hf" in the thread so I know you're actually reading and you can get a free town read! On May 25 2019 06:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its not bad. I do like it. But I still (currently) would prefer to lynch Artanis. I will spend part of the night at work thinking on it, and on breaks filter diving igrok to get a better read but like, currently still prefer Artanis. Doesn't dislike iGrok case. Explains thread hostility with working together. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok? I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him. 2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads? Town BC Bugs VE(i know right) Null to lean town HF Rayn Igrok Jock Null to Lean Mafia Koshi Conversion Mafia Artanis Calix Disinformation I Not inconsistent. Starts to dislike disformation for being himself. TL;DR D1 - really inconsistent Jock reads inconsistent - lies? Ever since Artanis read to latch onto internally consistent logic and reads, not awful looking Don't hate his iGrok defences retrospectively because they appear to point out not awful things - looked bad at time in context of thread to me Post D1 flip has done not much but shows thinking about the game, calm cool and collected, trying to get info on people and disformation. Seems to just be responding rather than digging sometimes but lack of presence can do that. Conclusion: fucking wasted my time writing this wall and he's probably town Feel free to make your own conclusions on his jock stances and first part of d1 reads meta consistent with town game too probably | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:03 Calix wrote: Hello, HF I was wondering how you concluded 'he's probably town' when a lot of your post was negative and poking holes in BC's D1 play, etc. I mostly just read him as town because of how different he is from his mafia meta. And I checked multiple games. The only mafia games I found that even REMOTELY resemble BC's filter this game are from ~8 years ago and the main reason he seemed less aggressive is because a lot of posts were talking about setup, roles, etc, as opposed to players. So overall I'd say meta points towards town. Not 100% though because, as you pointed out, there is quite a bit to dislike about his play. But yeah. @WBG, HF is calling BC town in that wall-post, lmao. Believe it or not. I wondered this myself tbh, I'm not really sure at all :D Maybe because I fucked up the post halfway through and had to find which spoiler I wrote it in that I forgot everything from the start. It's more of a summary really but I don't think the beginning parts are enough to outweigh the meta and the consistency he's had since end of d1 onwards. Looks like he's trying to solve the game at least and seems honest in tone. | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm done with this game today. I've been in here senselessly and uselessly since 8am this morning. It's 1:17 here. My vote is on iGrok because I think he's mafia. There's a good wagon on him. He's the lynch. If you don't lynch him it's not my fault. I don't understand why you say this, you're literally just grovelling to bugs all morning when nobody else is calling you mafia. Either he's wrong or he's right but it shouldn't matter to you because it's not having an effect on you today. Just play the game and don't interact with bugs? | ||
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On May 26 2019 02:05 Holyflare wrote: Don't waste your 10k post bugs, make it a good one. what a waste | ||
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On May 26 2019 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also dont believe in breadcrumbs. I also say right now that iGrok is 100% town powerrole. You can quote me on that after game. but you don't think he's a cop with a check on me? | ||
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On May 25 2019 01:06 Conversion wrote: ok read HF's case. cool case. one thing that I don't like about iGrok is that he shows that he has thoughts about the game outside of Calix/HF. right there. Artanis is his lowest read, outside of them. He later admits that the HF lynch won't happen, but he still ends up voting HF. weird. now this day, Artanis has a pretty good momentum going for him, and he mentioned that since he knows he's 100% town, he'll vote people to save himself. But he keeps staying on HF??? Why isn't he spending time to case someone else and tunnels onto HF like it's going to get him anywhere, when he says in his filter himself that lynching HF won't get anywhere. why does he think it's going to get him anywhere now? igrok has posted reads list since then what's your conclusion on him now? | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote: We seem to see the game in a similar way, from taking a glance at his reads. why aren't you lynching Artanis? because... I have a wall of text explaining why not....? | ||
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On May 26 2019 03:49 disformation wrote: sooo... im a bit groggy and making dinner. so brain cell count is fairly low. but wbg is saying grok is blue. while voting grok. ... ? I made a giant bc post for you | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote: No you don't think bugs is mafia. ur trollin lol I had a gif prepared the whole time. | ||
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I'm not lying? + Show Spoiler + Why do you think he's been making all these blue posts all of a sudden? | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote: It can be roleblocked. Unless he's the roleblocker. But he was joking about "YOULL NEVER KNOW WHO THE ROLEBLOCKER IS" earlier so it maybe be him. But if he's mafia he'll just say he was RB. God what a mess. Ironically, that's my plan. | ||
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Poll: Who should bugs shoot? You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Other wagon that doesn't get lynched | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If iGrok's actually blue why hasn't he claimed yet though? He's on the chopping block. What even was the breadcrumb? Now that Calix is 100% town and I town cased BC what are your mafia reads? | ||
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On May 26 2019 04:45 disformation wrote: some considerations: you say his internal logic makes a lot more sense after he could latch onto the art thing. i agree, but isnt it also easier for scum to have a more consitent logic when they can just scum read one dude the whole time? had a scum game where my bread and butter was to make okayish cases about one dude and do the tunnel dance. hard to tell with art being this bleh though. like id also say he def. does things in his pace and doesnt care if ppl dont like. prolly more towny. (unless like all wagons are town or he is gonna bus hard. though art <> bc double bus would be weird?). not sure if i agree on the strength of the tr at the end though. like his d1 was really oof. Yes, but it wasn't just his read on Artanis that was consistent, it was all the rest too after day 1. The tone on n1/d2 reads a lot townier to me. If I was mafia though I could definitely get BC lynched for the day 1 posts I think, that's how bad those points look. | ||
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On May 25 2019 10:14 iGrok wrote: I just voted Artanis because of the two of us he’s scummier. Would still prefer HF Lynch. Am going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home . Maybe I’ll be back before N2. Coincidentally, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi. Obviously, you have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away. Peace ^ this is igrok's breadcrumb by the way read the first caps letters | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I shot Koshi in the dick last game, no respect. None at all. Like I'm not even going to comment on your BC case because clearly you don't give a shit. You only cared that your townies comment. Conversely, they're townie BECAUSE they comment! I'm not shafting you on anything, I can't retroactively change my gun target and I'm sorry. I'm working with what I have. | ||
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You didn't read my BC case clearly enough. Only townies do, it's no problem. | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:31 iGrok wrote: I’ve given all my reads, logic etc drawn nice and neatly You neglected to do one fucking thing. Talk with the one guy that is responsible for leading the other people into lynching you. I had so many questions to ask you and you just decided to ignore them. What more am I going to do than campaign for your lynch even harder when there's logic gaps that you can't even fill in when asked? | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: -.- THAT DOESN'T EVEN PROVE ANYONE IS READING CLOSELY HF JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IT JUST INFLATES YOUR OWN EGO THAT PEOPLE ARE READING YOUR WORDS AND THERE'S PROOF! THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE TOWN OR MAFIA! Only townies care about reading a case on BC to that length. | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I said that too, he was sick of only me in the thread and wanted people he actually likes to come back. I fucking hate that I wish HF liked me. I'm starting to think I don't anymore. Dude I don't understand why you think I hate you! I really like you! You keep posting all these words at me like I'm ignoring you when I respond to literally everything you write! I feel like you feel to bugs just you're using my like of you as a hostage and he's using your alignment as a hostage. Don't gaslight me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + This is his posted read list a while ago when responding to me. It shows VE as red coloured for points up to when he posted it. That's 2 red coloured things on his list and 2 (cut off when he showed the later one) green posts (that aren't actually related to what VE has said, just meta so don't actually know why they are coloured green). This is his post after with VE not coloured green or red or anything, just white + Show Spoiler + As you can see, literally nothing has changed other than the cropping but his name has changed colour. He also clarifies the following: On May 25 2019 03:23 iGrok wrote: Oh no, hidden stuff is still hidden. So you have 2 more points. in green. Basically my read on you has never been certain. So, he's got 2 hidden reads in green (why are there even hidden ones if he was never showing this to begin with who the fuck knows?) but this doesn't correlate with what he's said here: On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday. And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. There are 4 hidden points for VE. Can you please make him clarify when these "hidden points" occurred. It makes a big big lot of difference based on the colouring times. | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:42 iGrok wrote: Lol at no point did I claim blue or fake claim or any of that shit. I did maybe hint that I knew your parity cop claim was fake because it felt so obviously fake and is such a rayn thing to do d1 What games have you played with rayn to make this assumption? Rayn was in none of these games? Which ones aren't in the database? | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:45 Koshi wrote: Interesting. And you are gunsmith. Ugh. Weird game. Is gunsmith town only?I assume it is. I am thinking. I'm not gunsmith. That's not even his post, I edited it -.- keep up fam | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:49 iGrok wrote: Pretty sure rayn is town. Done a bunch of townie rayn stuff On May 26 2019 05:48 Holyflare wrote: What games have you played with rayn to make this assumption? Rayn was in none of these games? Which ones aren't in the database? | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:53 iGrok wrote: HF clearly doesn’t know who I am lol. I’m a host/cohost much more than player, and half my games were smurfs ah yeah only been here since 2011 excuse my ignorance | ||
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On May 26 2019 05:57 iGrok wrote: Damnit Koshi, only since it’s you. There’s 2 green and 2 null hidden points for VE. All having to do with something that I’m not allowed to talk about. They were all there early, though since I update my colors when context comes around I’m not sure how long the green ones have been green So there's 2 green and 2 null AT THE TIME YOU POSTED THAT LIST which was early game. EARLY game. Thus, including the 2 green points already highlighted on your reads list that makes 4 total green points to VE. But in your screenshot you posted VE was red even though he had that many green points??? | ||
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This is iGrok's screenshot of his read list early. Note his VE read is red even though if you look at hius later posts there's 2 green counts on his name early game. On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote: alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday. And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day. Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there. Some hidden thought counts for future use: BC:1 WBG:2 HF:2 VE:4 Rux:1 Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. This is the post where he says VE has 4 hidden points (points that aren't on this read screenshot) and now that he's finally elaborated that this means 2 green points and 2 null points extra that brings VE up to a total of 4 green points and 2 red points at the time of the above screenshotted post. Why is VE red? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:07 iGrok wrote: So just to be clear, we’re all completely ignoring that HF apparently faked a post by me to include a fake breadcrumb to attack me for falsely crumbing a cop? Everyone thinks this is totally normal town behavior? I didn't use it to attack you, I rescinded it almost immediately. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:09 Holyflare wrote: I didn't use it to attack you, I rescinded it almost immediately. I wanted to get more information out of rayn and his claim because he said he would vote you if he found the breadcrumb but then you turned up and I didn't want you to actually claim a blue role and it become a whole thing so I rescinded it immediately to stop it devolving into a shit show. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:08 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + This is iGrok's screenshot of his read list early. Note his VE read is red even though if you look at hius later posts there's 2 green counts on his name early game. This is the post where he says VE has 4 hidden points (points that aren't on this read screenshot) and now that he's finally elaborated that this means 2 green points and 2 null points extra that brings VE up to a total of 4 green points and 2 red points at the time of the above screenshotted post. Why is VE red? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:10 Conversion wrote: so fucking bad.. LITERALLY ARTANIS one of his mafia reads why is he getting so angry?????? Good points tbh. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:16 iGrok wrote: Sorry bb I’m a little pissed off atm You only bring it upon yourself for scum reading literally the only guy that could have saved you and ignoring every time I could have talked to you and deescalated the situation. The thread is only as big as it is because you refuse to answer simple points and look worse so people are forced to repeat themselves about you over and over again. You contribute to the thread length in ways unbeknownst to many. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:17 Calix wrote: @HF @HF @HF @HF I know you think iGrok is super scummy and all. And I am inclined to agree with you. But he DID just vote to kill himself. Votes are now like [iGrok 6, Artanis 3, Calix 2] IIRC. That doesn't seem very sensible for mafia to do? Could we vote off a spammy mafia instead? If this spam continues, all the townies will get frustrated/ drowned out, lol. He had always voted to kill himself. He was always in the lead with no ability to save himself. Don't get tricked like day 1 where he just does the same thing again and it worked on you. What spammy mafia do you suggest killing anyway? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:20 Conversion wrote: Why are you getting off your possible SCUM READ to someone who most likely won't be lynched today????? save iGrok by convincing people to lynch Artanis please Truer words have never been spoken. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:25 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm actually having a great time so fuck you all. Me too :D I'm not really sure what's going on but igrok hasn't commented on my post again and the evidence is kinda damning so hey ho, we're on the right track for now. | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: we arent gonna win this game anyways so who cares? we have bugs and hf. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF do you think both me and koshi are mafia? When did I ever say this lol? No, I don't. | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what this forum needs? Nazgul was kind enough to gift us the Filter button after joining us in a game that one time. I'm almost certain the Mods have its converse, a Filter-Out button. That way, once you have a read on someone and you're annoyed with their posts a la VE, you can just filter them out until you WANT to see their posts again. Can you imagine? Would that be too OP? I have a script for that. | ||
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On May 26 2019 07:48 Jockmcplop wrote: ^^ succinct enough? lol I'm happy to stay on artanis. I don't really want iGrock gone. I'm trying to stop that from happening. My reads don't make sense as a whole though so sorry about that I think I need to re-think. Maybe I'm wrong about BC after all. Why are you trying to stop it? | ||
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On May 26 2019 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I was not wrong on iGrok, I thought he was going to flip jailkeeper for like 80% of yesterday. I at least got the alignment right. I mended my reads with HF because I thought we needed to cooperate more. He didn't listen to me. Imagine calling the guy town and voting him but then scum reading the guy that wrote a case on him :D That's you buddy. | ||
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On May 26 2019 17:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Honestly shooting me may be best tbh, even if just to get Koshi/Jock to stop tunneling me and re-eval. so what are your reads now? | ||
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On May 26 2019 06:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright, right now I think it might be iGrok/Disfo/?, with the ? being one of Rayn/BC/Maybe Calix. Jock/Conversion/WBG/HF/VE are never mafia. Koshi's claim should resolve itself. Peace. Why was calix here when campaigning igrok over you? | ||
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I'm: gunsmith that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP. you talked about your host given role pm and how it was formatted and it's just like mine so you will never ever be lynched by me or campaigned for being mafia | ||
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On May 26 2019 18:36 wherebugsgo wrote: I mean, I didn't quote the PM at all? That's literally how my role appears, I'm going to claim it as I received it, and state that it does not match what's in the OP because that's the truth. Like, I didn't believe Koshi's roleclaim partly because it was bolded and in blue and that does not match what was clarified publically in this thread. Where does it appear like this? | ||
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1. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. Quite literally right there. All lower case, confirmed town. Congrats for ruining the game, for mafia at least | ||
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On May 19 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote: there's only 2 scenarios, one of which is a bit shit and the other is that he's mafia On May 19 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote: no that he's blue but in that case mafia could have easily figured it out anyway | ||
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On May 26 2019 18:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and with that HF is also confirmed town. and with that you are also confirmed town! weeeeeeeeeeeee what a great game thanks bugs! | ||
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On May 26 2019 18:47 wherebugsgo wrote: like you really don't seem to be posting in good faith here, you just seem salty. I'm confirmed town to anyone that has the same PM, deal with it | ||
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On May 26 2019 18:44 Calix wrote: Not gonna lie, I was really confused when WBG basically flipped his reads after iGrok's flip and started gunning for HF and even considering having HF shot over VE. But then HF made that horrible Jailer claim. Which is never legitimate since HF didn't try gunning for Koshi and actually thought WBG was scummy for being so dead-set on mafia!Koshi which makes 0 sense if HF is Jailer. He also hasn't revealed who the 'confirmed townie' is that he jailed N1. Now HF is rambling on about modkills or some other nonsense and it looks really bad. So I am chill with HF/ VE dying. Also I guess this means I might have had pretty bad reads this game? lol Guess this means calix is mafia after all then. | ||
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You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read. | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:09 Holyflare wrote: Rayn and Koshi have largely just afkd d2 and auto voted actual mafia so I don't particularly think they've been toxic at all lately. You've essentially driven off VE, got 2 people probably modkilled, made iGrok leave the thread and auto lynch himself and not given town BC a chance to play. Then berated the only town guy that made cases for the whole of d2 for being wrong and blamed him for the game state while claiming he's now mafia while you lynched your town read. And you wanted to lynch our power roles because you couldn't see why town would claim there and didn't listen to any logic why :D | ||
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Calix because she didn't understand the role pm stuff. Then working on that logic calix pushed for an igrok lynch over artanis thus the mafia lynch of choice was to save artanis. Artanis and calix were on iGrok and unless mafia are bussing artanis then the other people on the wagon are VE and disfo. | ||
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On May 26 2019 19:18 Jockmcplop wrote: Did you miss when I tried to save iGrock with a BC vote switch and got shut down cos everyone's pussywhipped by hf??? BC is definitely town though :/ | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Whoever has the gun should use it on BC like he said BC is practically confirmed town with myself and bugs. Possibly disfo. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:20 VisceraEyes wrote: And you can't see me doing this as town HF? This is something I'd only do as mafia? K thx for revealing yourself as one of the bads at long last. FINALLY I can quit trying to be like you. I think as town you'd be a lot more sceptical of the claim, yeah. Dunno why you're getting irate with me I'll probably be modkilled soon. If it's not you it's probably disfo but he reacted well to my vt claim so you have to prove the last mafia bussed artanis instead. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still dobt really think Artanis is mafia but i can wrong on that. But i dont think i am. Who then? | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been mafia on iGrok and Calix all game. You might know this if you gave a shit or were reading any of my posts. You aren't/haven't though in spite of what you say. You're right. I gave up reading your posts properly about a day ago when I told you to stop talking about bugs and you didn't. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:32 Koshi wrote: You fucker. Yesterday 100% town when I voted her. Whoops :D | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:34 VisceraEyes wrote: AND NOW LOOK WHERE WE ARE AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS ENDED UP BEING AN IMPORTANT FACTOR AS IT TURNS OUT BUGS TOWNREADING ME ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS GOING FORWARD IN THE GAME AS IT TURNS OUT THIS IS THE FIFTH FUCKING PRESCIENT THING VE HAS DONE IN THIS GAME Sorry, your posts are overwhelming even to me. I don't want to have to parse out information between the incessant spam because while I don't hate spamming I hate spamming that leads nowhere and trying to get bugs to town read you is a net negative because it's led everyone else to scum read you. Just spam about your reads and why they're mafia instead. Best way to prove you are town. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm literally never taking your advice again. Ever. On anything. You never did to begin with and here we are. | ||
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On May 26 2019 20:46 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you not getting here? Bugs either is town and thinks I'm mafia and will stop at nothing, or he's mafia and has made his choice. One of the two of us is dead in the morning. And everyone that's left HATES me and rayn and Koshi. There's not going to be any "teaming up with rayn and koshi" tomorrow. This game is over. Bugs is confirmed town, he used his role pm as evidence. | ||
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On May 30 2019 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Which is exactly why i said it's not his fault. Like i understand i was probably at least the part of reason why Calix got disinterested in the game (my honest opinion is that Jock never should have in the first place), but at least i didn't comment on basically everything she said and shit on it. Every time VE tried to do something (i remember best the time when i talked with him about Conversion) bugs came in with some good 50 posts to tilt him again, and VE always bites. What gives? I don't really care if someone gets tunneled or is wrong, that's part of the game, but i also don't really like being called something i didn't do, especially when he himself and definitely HF (on D2) were far far "worse" in said same activity. What? | ||
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On May 30 2019 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: you tunneled iGrok D2. i mean you shut down basically everything else and tunneled iGrok. I think you should reread though cos all I did was make 2 cases on igrok and then try and get him to answer some basic questions so I could reevaluate but he didn't answer. If deadline was actually eu time I probably would have switched to artanis because of igrok disappearing at deadline instead of helping. Looked pretty townie. Also I didn't scum read bc lol :p | ||
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On May 30 2019 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Funnily enough you shoyld have been modkilled for the second post you posted in game. Or i dont remember, maybe third. Why? It was host given information and not really a case? | ||
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On May 30 2019 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ah i see, specific phrasing of role pm is host given information but specific phrasing of role pm is not. Gotcha. Pretty much! Then you should be modkilled for posting role pm? :D | ||
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On May 31 2019 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: How did you even start to learn to do that? Like, if you've never coded before where did you start looking for shit to parse website forums that's where you started nevermind. Google automate the boring stuff with python. I got up to about the dictionaries chapter and then googled around for web scraping codes and made my own. Pretty different way of thinking about things coding but it appeals to my logic brain pretty hard. Never done any coding before in my life other than the exercises there briefly. | ||
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On May 31 2019 23:03 Conversion wrote: I told Holyflare to multithread his code as a joke for efficiency and the mad lad actually tried it Stayed up to 4am fucking around with that crap. Think I've almost cracked it. | ||
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