End of the World Party Mafia - Page 25

On March 13 2019 20:31 Acrofales wrote:
Bah, chezinu is in the US, so there's no chance he'll respond to me any time soon. Gonna have to lay out his reasoning myself, which ruins the chance for him to prove he's not brown, but green. But I need to do it, to get all the reasoning out there, so we can get on with the real lynch of the day: Onegu.

Chezinu, the veteran

The claims:
+ Show Spoiler [preamble] +
Up to this point, nobody really knew what to make of chez's claims, except FF, who picked it up, naturally, being the real hatter, as a truthful hatter claim. He sniffed out that this was a weird claim, and counterclaimed the shit out of it. What he didn't know was that chez was fake-claiming as the town veteran, and the moment he gets counterclaimed, instead of doubling down, he starts recanting, but only part of the claim:






Claims a role that requires getting shot at.





This is all... very weird if he's scum that just got counterclaimed. Scum that gets counterclaimed don't back down. They insist that there are 2 hatters in the game, that FF is lying or something else. They don't just kinda ignore the counterclaim. Not even chezinu. So why back down, but in such a weird way? Because he wanted scum to waste KP on him.

Note, there are numerous references to veteran incongruently scattered around his filter, which may just be talking about TL veterans, veteran players, or be breadcrumbing his role. The biggest one is the one he quoted earlier, but there are more. Of course, it's chezinu the brown, he who speaketh in riddles, so good luck deciding if they're breadcrumbs or just weird use of language. But they exist.

But the kicker is this: Chezinu knows he was never gonna get scumshot at night, so he claimed a role that scum does want to shoot. By claiming hatter, with bombs on probable townies, scum would totally shoot the shit out of him, and he'd soak up KP, exactly as he is intended to. His confusion about the role is because he never bothered to actually research hatters, and when counterclaimed kinda just dropped it. He was still playing at it halfheartedly during the night, but the big play he had imagined was already dead in the water.

The next day, when he doesn't end up dead, he gives up and posts the true role claim.

Could this all be an elaborate plot by a scum!Chezinu to save his bacon after his fakeclaim failed? Maybe, but nothing about his behaviour around the fakeclaim makes sense. He isn't calling FF out on it, he isn't imploring town that there are really two hatters, and he isn't pushing the matter at all. Scum doesn't just give up on fakeclaims. They insist, and wheedle.

So chezinu is a veteran.

Can there be two veterans and a medic in a 35player game? I'm inclined to say yes.

Chezinu the black, or Chezinu the red: if he's an sk/survivor with a bulletproof vest, or a mafia veteran, claiming hatter and trying to get shot doesn't make sense. The whole mindset is to survive, and avoiding getting shot is still the safest way of doing that, not using your bulletproof vest to soak a bomb. Mafia makes even less sense, because why not just shoot FF, and if the bomb is on chezinu, he survives, and if it's on someone else in FF's list of scumspects, it's a 2-for-1. Ez pickings, and a far better shot than TT.

So, Chezinu is green, not brown, and town may rejoice!

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The implications:

The fact that scum didn't shoot FF, means they already figured this shit out. They knew Chezinu was town and didn't kill FF anyway. Why not? Because they had figured out that it wouldn't be a 2-for-1 because they got chezinu's breadcrumbs. So next best solution: leave both alive and push the lynch to be between them on D4. Guess who is really adamant about that? Onegu.

Now, you say, nobody knew that, and it's obvious to lynch between the claim and the fake claim as a townie too. I grant you that, which makes everything Onegu has done today NAI (although I specifically went back to the start of the day to figure out who was taking the "easy way out" and focusing exclusively on the FF <> Chezinu situation, and one name really jumped out; guess whose).

So lets make a list of everything Onegu has done this game:

D1. Nothing
D2. Nothing
D3. Where it gets interesting.

He starts with pushing Pandain after he dayvig's HF, because there is "no way town does that". In particular, look at this post:

This just reeeeeeeeks of TMI. Note that this is from a guy who has not mentioned Palmar a single time in his filter, and has a grand total of two posts talking about HF. HF's alignment was definitely not obvious to me based on the flips, and even if you did think HF was town, did the N2 nightkills help you with that in the slightest. There is scum knowledge shining through in this post, in order to push for his lynch on Pandain.

The rest of the day, he is waffling about Chez. He leaps onto the wagon when my role is misunderstood. Jumps off when I clarify, and leaps back on at the slightest opportunity.

Has he ever explained the read? No. The only reason is the fakeclaim. Nothing else.

Then we get:

This is.... not good. Even if you believe scum didn't know sentinel was one of them, it was still good scumhunting to find sentinel. Even if you think the best you can credit the case with was scum-aligned-survivor, some people still look good for finding that. And Pandain looks best. Trying to remove that from the equation is anti-town play. Moreso, because he just doesn't want people townreading Pandain, who he still sees as lynchbait.


In terms of activity, this may have been true (didn't check), but in terms of usefulness or transparency? Onegu has played his cards close to his chest.

During D3 he posted about: pandain, and chezinu. That's it. Narrow focus. No scumhunting. Just latching onto these and trying to get them lynched. During N3 he kept up his laser focus on pandain and chezinu, and adds in muddying the waters around the sentinel lynch. That is it. There is no searching for the rest of the scumteam. No investigation. Nothing that townies do. This is not a town Onegu. This is a scum Onegu.

KILL ONEGU FOR TOWN JUSTICE

On March 14 2019 03:08 Onegu wrote:


I asked for clarification. You haven’t given it.

On March 14 2019 03:10 Onegu wrote:
I want to learn exactly what it did. Because I don’t understand the 5post thing.

postcounts = { name: 0 for name in players}
for post in posts:
   elif nightpost:
      break
   else:
      postcounts[post.get_author()] +=1

killable = []
for name, count in postcounts:
    if count <= 5:
        killable.append(name)


for name in players:
   if name not in votecount:
       killable.append(name)

print(killable)
   

On March 14 2019 03:10 Onegu wrote:
I want to learn exactly what it did. Because I don’t understand the 5post thing.

postcounts = { name: 0 for name in players}
for post in posts:
   if nightpost:
      break
   else:
      postcounts[post.get_author()] +=1

killable = []
for name, count in postcounts:
    if count <= 5:
        killable.append(name)


for name in players:
   if name not in votecount:
       killable.append(name)

print(killable)
   

On March 14 2019 03:12 Onegu wrote:
If someone made 4 posts but voted could you shoot them. If some one made 6 posts but didn’t vote could you shoot them.

And did hosts tell you who you could shoot or did you have to keep track yourself?

On March 14 2019 03:22 Onegu wrote:



Well call me stupid and on pain meds. I am trying to understand. But thank you for making it clear for me.

One last question are you sure those are the only 3 you could have shot?

On March 14 2019 03:19 Tubesock wrote:


I think Vivax is town. I think Wiggles probably is town. You’re saying I should just make shit up to scumread them? No thanks.

The problem I have with your case is that I don’t think there’s two vet’s in the game. And you seem to think Pandain is town, do you really think there are 9 blues in this game? I think that’s a bit much.

On March 13 2019 15:41 Tubesock wrote:
When I flip remember who pushed it.

Of course people know when they OMGUS, that happens a lot. I’m pretty sure it happened earlier in this game.

On March 14 2019 03:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Did scum even know if he was the traitor? I kinda glossed over the discussion last time it happened but I thought the consensus was he knew the scum but they didn't know him.

On March 14 2019 03:24 Onegu wrote:



I have responded to everyone. I just didn’t want to talk about acro until he made things clear. As his shot is the most suspicious to me currently. I wasn’t avoiding shit....

On March 14 2019 03:36 Onegu wrote:


Actually I kind of believe you. Did you have a deadline to give hosts the shot so they could confirm it was a ok shot?

On March 14 2019 03:48 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you not see his list post and Vivax's post in response to TS's list post?

On March 14 2019 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Acro why do you like SL compared with Onegu?

On March 12 2019 04:40 Acrofales wrote:
@SL:


Read progression please. You have insight on Oats?


Other than that, there's a few red flags in SL's filter, but overall he seems too bouncy and all over the place to be scum. I don't really know SL's scumgame at all, but I get the feeling from his filter that he's playing the town game and happy to be doing so.

Main red flag:

Ends up voting HF for mayor:

HF was nothing if not obvious about what he was going to do. Even if you don't think he's serious, if you have a strong townread on Palmar (strong enough to mention it anyway, which is more than he did for anyone except LS... and maybe rsoul). SL was there for at least part of that push, so why is he still voting HF?

Minor red flag: has a scumread on conversion, but is all chummy with marv on N1.

On March 14 2019 04:01 Chezinu wrote:
Wait.. does this mean there could be a mafia mad hatter?

On March 14 2019 04:07 Onegu wrote:



Have you not read the spoiler?

On March 14 2019 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:

It's actually a tell he usually give more reasons for his reads.