On March 15 2019 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: Acrofales:
Why am i drawing your attention to this?
I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat?
Or because you think scum is captaining the boat?
Or because you really want to be in charge of rations?
Anyway, back to task.
I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing.
We need a sure thing. So sheep me onto Oats!
Really starting to look like this
I wish this was my scumgame. I wouldn't be as worried about my reads flipping the wrong color.
That's the main reason I don't trust mocsta, btw. With Grack and SL flipping town, there's scum hiding in my townreads.
The one thing I had going this game is that I was confident in my townreads and they all flipped green. My scumreads have been off (got HF and Damdred very wrong, and others on my "possible scum" got shot). The advantage is that the pool is smaller by the minute. The disadvantage is that I don't trust the town circle anymore.
That said, Oats is surely scum. He had me confused with his bumbling, up-in-your-face activity, but he's been inconsistent in his reads, voting the wrong way and the association tell is just the final nail in his coffin.
On March 15 2019 22:35 Acrofales wrote: Oats is Mafia 1. He acts weird when associating with known mafia.
Open up his filter, and just read it. That's what I was doing, expecting to find he was just a "lone wolf" townie, as Mocsta calls him. I wasn't even really looking at who he was talking to, just sorta reading the content. I came across his response to BC, and though "huh. That doesn't sound like Oats." And then I saw who he was talking to. I already quoted the post in my huge night post, but I think it's far better you just do this exercise for yourself.
Now go and read Ver's guide on mafia.
Now come back here and vote Oats.
1a. Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
I'm quoting it anyway, so everybody can make up their own mind: + Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
[quote]
[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
2. Throwing away the vote. Day 2, Oats was *adamant* we don't stray from the wagons: either kill HF or kill BH. Do not deviate!
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
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Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
Very adamant about shutting down any other possibilities:
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
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Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw?
Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other...
You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
@Acro
See, Oats gets it xD
Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that.
Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply.
There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch.
Actually that’s not the point. The point is to get all the town people either voting for hf or blazing hand, preferably hf.
Day 4, there are 2 wagons. You could call Onegu a 3rd, but MZ was never getting off the ground, and everybody was hopping off it. Except Oats:
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The take-away message isn't that Oats is a hypocrit, it's that Oats doesn't actually care about where his vote ends up, as long as he looks good for it. Making "town rules" to vote on one of the two wagons is a great way to get a townie lynched and then have zero actual accountability. If he believed that consolidating on the wagon was essential for town to "exercise" their right to vote, he should be more invested in where he votes on other days as well. He really isn't. Anyway, he discussed this with Grack, and claims afk. Take it any way you like. I personally question an Oats who is so adamant about being a conscientious voter that goes afk with his vote parked on a wagon that was going nowhere.
3. Lots of posts, not much content. Yesterday, I highlighted this post:
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.
Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.
It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.
It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads. In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?
So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.
The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.
SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
But there's plenty more in his filter, where he is sorta pressuring, sorta coaching and sorta just being a dick without actually going anywhere with it. He's happy to blow along with where the wind blows.
Looks to me like his posting style is exactly the same as this game. That's not to say that his posting style makes him scum, just that it doesn't make him town. I make no pretense at being able to meta-read Oats. I just claim he's scum for in-game reasons.
The first point is extremely null because 1)Its literally one post where I make no effort to push a read or ANYTHING onto BC. Why the heck wont I post better if hes my teammate? The logical reason is that there are 35 people in this game and its tough to keep track of all the scummers especially when they dont talk to me. If im scum, obviously I dont do that because it looks super terrible.
The second one is extremely stupid because 1) HF and Blazinghand were far and away the vote leaders, to the point where any other lynch needed like 10 people to switch. MZ was close to where 3 people from tube and one from Onegu wouldve lynched MZ. In the end, Chez got lynched who ONLY HAD 1 MORE VOTE THAN MZ AT THE TIME I LEFT THE THREAD. What kind of nonsense are you trying to push acro?
On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
which is interesting, okay so Mocsta is either fakeclaiming parity cop and has no idea how to play it properly or he decided to out his role but not confirm any townies.
I think the first one is far more likely than the second one because who wont full claim their role unless they arent sure how the role works or they have something to hide
On March 15 2019 19:29 Mocsta wrote: This is so fucked
Day 1. = hf and palmar ego jerking Day2 = hf / acro ego jerking Day 3 = rayn ego Day 4 = onegu jerking off in thread
Day 5 = acro wants to be a fuckn hero when its all on the line Fucks sake What a waste of 2 weeks
Seriously Yelling lynch XYZ is not going to sway shit StOP IT
Also this post is absurdly sketchy, Acro's post during the night is pretty much the same as his post right after this one from Mocsta but somehow that changes his mind from "hero" to OH YES LYNCH OATS OVER MY "RED" CHECK
Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
Alright lets talk about this point. So if im acting the same way with Wriggles and BC, which in my mind when I look back at Day 1 which was like 9 days ago, I am, and one of them is town and one of them is mafia, then the way I am acting isnt alignment indicative correct?
So if Acro true believes that my interaction with BC makes me mafia, he should also believe that my interaction with Wriggles makes me mafia. But he doesnt. So he isnt willing to actually double down on his read.
So a similar point was the thing I brought up really early in the game about how Scum dont vote for themselves as mayor. As soon as rsoul flipped and that was disproved, I didnt try to push that point again because clearly that wasnt an indicator of mafia.
On March 15 2019 22:54 Mocsta wrote: Thats good enough for me I would rather we consolidate on a lynch early Im a bit concerned how little ppl have posted since deadline
Lol pandain prob assumes he is dead
##unvote Vote: oatsmaster
Good shit acro Night
YOU DONT HAVE A RED CHECK DO YOU MOCSTA
Lol obviously not. I just don't understand his gameplan right now if he were mafia so he must be town.
Mafia fake claiming would go all in
nah not really when its clear nobody believes them anyway
Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
Alright lets talk about this point. So if im acting the same way with Wriggles and BC, which in my mind when I look back at Day 1 which was like 9 days ago, I am, and one of them is town and one of them is mafia, then the way I am acting isnt alignment indicative correct?
So if Acro true believes that my interaction with BC makes me mafia, he should also believe that my interaction with Wriggles makes me mafia. But he doesnt. So he isnt willing to actually double down on his read.
So a similar point was the thing I brought up really early in the game about how Scum dont vote for themselves as mayor. As soon as rsoul flipped and that was disproved, I didnt try to push that point again because clearly that wasnt an indicator of mafia.
So basically, this case is extremely stupid
Mainly I don't want to call Wiggles scum because I haven't cased him. He may very well be scum. And you flipping scum makes it more likely that he is too. But I'm not gonna do associative reads on you and Oats without a flip on one of you.
So
1) I don't think you're behaving as weirdly with wiggles as Grack does. As you can see, if you start reading your filter from the top, I read over the wiggles bits and tripped over the BC post...
2) If you *do* think you're behaving as weirdly with wiggles as you are with BC, it's definitely going to be scrutinized after you flip red, so don't worry that you aren't incriminating your associates enough...
On March 16 2019 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote: The first point is extremely null because 1)Its literally one post where I make no effort to push a read or ANYTHING onto BC. Why the heck wont I post better if hes my teammate? The logical reason is that there are 35 people in this game and its tough to keep track of all the scummers especially when they dont talk to me. If im scum, obviously I dont do that because it looks super terrible.
This just piles on the evidence. The whole point isn't that you are posting badly. It's that you're posting differently. You're being super self-conscious about the fact that he's in your team and it's reflecting in your posting. As a townie, you don't know who's in your team, and that early in the game you don't even know who's scum, so you treat everybody the same. As scum, you know who else is scum, and you treat them differently (at least, in this case, one of them).
As scum you do that because you aren't even aware you are doing it. That's the whole point here. If you were aware you were doing it, you probably wouldn't do it, no. I agree.
Well you are saying that its a slamdunk case based on that one point. WHICH IS SOMETHING I did with someone else, so doesnt that also make him highly highly mafia?
Also, why do I only interact like that with one of my mafia team and not all of my mafia team? This read literally does not make sense Acro
As scum you do that because you aren't even aware you are doing it. That's the whole point here. If you were aware you were doing it, you probably wouldn't do it, no. I agree.
As scum, the alignment that cares more about how they say stuff rather than what they say, I totally am unaware that my interaction with BC is terrible and looks totally like teammates trying to interact. Yeah sure Acro. This is where it breaks down. I mean it breaks down in every part but like this part, the engine isnt even in the train Acro, Cmon.
Actually i have the growing feeling that wriggles is mafia which makes me look terrible but whateve, I’m gonna need a computer to check though but like with his talkshow thing, he’s basically avoided pushing anything or taking any hard stances I believe
On March 16 2019 06:10 Tubesock wrote: Oatsmaster, I don’t understand why you didn’t kill me since you’ve been scum reading me near as long as MZ. And I can’t really tell why you apparently want him dead over me as I’m in your filter about as much.
On March 15 2019 07:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Mz/Tube /vivax/slam/exo No more wiggles
What do you mean no more Wiggles?
Meant that I thought he was town, I’m flipping back on that now Mz has been tremendously uninvolved, jumped on wagons for fun it seems like and he just looks like he’s cruising this game You are very friendly and that’s hard to lynch tube, one reason is that I said scum will make a case on me yesterday and you did so I called you scum.
On March 16 2019 05:53 Pandain wrote: @Acro maybe Oats is scum, but one post where he is oddly polite with BC is nowhere near good enough for me to vote him today, which is what started your campaign with him.
And re: Mocsta it makes me doubt he's scum, certainly if Mocsta flips red.
Mocsta's claim is clearly bullshit, but you think scum!mocsta would botch a cop fakeclaim just to get a lunch at lylo when absolutely everybody was townreading him? Why?
If you think that's the case, it'd have to be because we were going to lynch scum today and they are getting impatient (for no apparent reason) and want to win NOW. At night we were talking about onegu, tube and DF, with oats taking over later when Grack and I talked about him a bit.
Mostly we thought tube was not really scummy because it did not look like scum was protecting him. Onegu claimed 3p and it's fairly believable. If we lunch 3p we lose.
That leaves DF and oats. So if you think mocsta is fakeclaiming to get DF lynched and win the game for scum, then we shouldn't lynch DF.
That leaves Oats. So join me in lynching Oats.
Of course, I'm not actually on board with this. I want to know what Mocsta's plan was with all of this. He might be the scum hiding in my town circle. Or he might just be slightly crazy. That is my current theory, btw.
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
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