EPT[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II
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On October 30 2018 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I gotta get some sleep and tomorrow is gonna be a 12 hour day, for now i am not too worried about anyone you wanna choose for the chancellor except for the next player after you in president candidate queue. I am gonna try to check the thread in the morning, and during work if possible, and for sure i will be back ~2hours before the deadline. Hey that's me! | ||
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P(2 fascist, 1 liberal) = 48.53% P(1 fascist, 2 liberal) = 24.26% P(3 liberal) = 2.94% So... if you're chancellor and you're handed two fascist cards then you should probably be pretty suspicious of the president. | ||
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I'm kind of tempted to guess that you are fascist and Kita is hitler. I'm also a shitty scum hunter though so meh. I like this format because people can't kill me very easily.  | ||
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On October 30 2018 23:47 kitaman27 wrote: What makes you jump to the most likely scenario being that we share alignment? From my view, I'm looking for players that are trying to emulate liberal play by buddying up, as opposed to showing their cards right off the bat. prpl may fit that bill for trying to get on my good side, but I'm not sure yet. It just seemed like it could be a way for him to signal that he's a fascist rather than him trying to buddy you, but I'm going to assume he mentioned you just because he considers you a skilled player. | ||
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If I was Hitler and I saw someone say "Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni" I would assume that guy was a fascist. | ||
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On October 31 2018 00:07 kitaman27 wrote: Since you're president next, any thoughts on who you'd pick yet? Atm I'd choose Krogan but we'll have to see what happens between then. | ||
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On October 31 2018 01:38 Conversion wrote: Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni  | ||
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I think it's more important to elect town president over chancellor right? I think it's a lot better more powerful to be able to discard cards than choose between cards. And it gives more information too about the cards left in the deck. | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: There was a point on Grackaroni and i am very interested to hear why he made his "if i was Hitler..." comment because i can't find a single townie reason to do that. Why is it that when I mention Prplhz' post you call it too obvious for scum to make the post and then after we go through all of this hitler messaging speculation you attribute my post to scum motives? On October 30 2018 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i dont think its a scum-scum interaction unless kitaman is hitler and prplhz is "claiming mafia" to him but i think it is extremely unlike because it is just plain out a stupid thing to do, as you'd want to do it in a way that noone else catches it and look what happened. Seems pretty suspect. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you haven't realized i think you both are my top scum candidates so far. I never said anything like "prplhz's post was too obvious for scum to make". Yes you did. On October 30 2018 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i dont think its a scum-scum interaction unless kitaman is hitler and prplhz is "claiming mafia" to him but i think it is extremely unlike because it is just plain out a stupid thing to do, as you'd want to do it in a way that noone else catches it and look what happened. You said right here that mafia wouldn't be trying to signal to mafia in thread because it's stupid and other people would catch it. And that was before we had all this discussion about scum signaling to each other. And now you're accusing me for trying to send a way less subtle message to teammates. I call BS. | ||
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If that is not your accusation please explain why the message is more mafia oriented than town oriented. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you make that post as town? I'm saying that I think it would be a message that I would understand if I was hitler. So the suspicion of the message wasn't unreasonable. Why do you think the post is more likely to come from scum than town if you aren't implying that I'm trying to communicate with teammates. | ||
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From Conversion's post even if I was Hitler I still wouldn't put more chance of Conversion being on my team compared to a town troll. | ||
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On October 31 2018 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think it's unlikely to be picked up when prplhz basically said "i want to elect townies ofc, lets elect kita, idk what his alignment is"?????? I agree I don't think it was a scum signal from Prplhz. I was just responding to Kita's question in kind of a jumbled way. I'm going to vote for the mission because I want Krogan to discard the card and I think even as scum if you're handed a liberal policy and a fascist policy you'll choose the liberal one for this mission rather than get contradicted by Krogan. | ||
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On October 31 2018 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Why is that? Is it still the prpl connection or is there something else? Your posting style just kind of gives me bad vibes. You're very good at picking up town cred from talking about setup and giving advice and things. | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote: I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? | ||
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On November 01 2018 08:14 kitaman27 wrote: We should elect rayn as much as possible then. :D :D :D lol. I don't know what Conversion's deal is right now but I think he's probably town. | ||
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If I'm not getting sent I'm ok with Conversion, but I think he's pretty unlikely to be approved because of his attitude this game. | ||
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On November 01 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote: don't you sort of wanna hear who he's planning to chancelorize first? No I'm mostly concerned with the president atm. I think it's worthwhile for town if chancellor enacts a fascist policy if the president send L/F. I dont think chancellor is too important until 3 fascist when we have to avoid Hitler. | ||
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I'm probably going to pick either Conversion on Rels. | ||
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P(3 fascist): 23.08% P(2 fascist 1 liberal):49.45% P(1 fascist 2 liberal): 24.73% P(3 liberal): 2.75% If HK lied: P(3 fascist): 32.97% P(2 fascist 1 liberal):49.45% P(1 fascist 2 liberal): 16.48% P(3 liberal): 1.1% | ||
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On November 01 2018 11:30 happykrogan wrote: why? If I remember correctly I had problems with reading town players as mafia, who were actually just careless or had a toxic attitude, so I am genuinely interested. I think the tone that he has can be surprisingly hard to fake as mafia it's not how mafia players usually approach the game. | ||
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On November 01 2018 11:35 happykrogan wrote: So It's a read you make by experience? yeah that's just my gut feeling unrelated to his town/scum play specifically. | ||
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Honestly entirely because he gave me a town lean and lack of other options. | ||
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On November 01 2018 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i dont think grackaroni should choose conversion as chancellor anyways since conversion is next in line for president. I don't understand this. I just submitted Conversion but I can still change. | ||
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On November 02 2018 00:10 kitaman27 wrote: He would be picking a liberal player that the majority of the game thinks is facist in that case, hence an easy way to pass the blame. What's your order at this point? Perhaps I was basing my choice on my own opinions rather than choosing from the bottom of your unpublished scum list? | ||
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On November 02 2018 03:08 kitaman27 wrote: What makes you say Rels is in your top two town then? He's not he's only my second choice atm over you/byj/prplhz I'm considering Prplhz but I'm not so sure about it. It seems like me/Prplhz is the only team I could suggest with a chance to get approved. | ||
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On November 02 2018 03:20 kitaman27 wrote: Is this the post you were referring to regarding why you liked Rels? If that's the case, is Rel's thought process even consistent? From the way I read your filter, you don't actually think scum prpl was trying to contact me. I assume that he liked that I called out the post as possible scum signaling rather than him being wedded to a scum team of you/prplhz. And yeah I kind of liked that he gave me a town lean when most of the reads were just you/rayn town. But obviously I'm not super townie on Rels because he isn't doing anything. | ||
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On November 02 2018 03:29 kitaman27 wrote: Awww I'm totally going to buddy the heck out of you the next time I get a chance as scum <3 As long as you don't send me any bananas. | ||
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On November 02 2018 03:36 kitaman27 wrote: Because you think he has a better chance than not to be town or because you think it's the only thing that would pass and you want to see something get passed this cycle? Mostly the second one but I don't have anything against prplhz. I agree with Rayn that Me/conversion probably won't pass and then Conversion's team also isn't going to pass. | ||
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On November 02 2018 23:21 kitaman27 wrote: I went by his single game in the database: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byj Dude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far. +1 to this. | ||
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I don't trust the way Rayn/HK are both pushing the idea that the scum team is just the two lurkers byj/rels, even though neither of them have done anything specifically scummy, and I think that probably one of Rayn/HK will be scum. I'm uneasy about the fact that it doesn't seem like I can pass the team that I actually think is town in Me/conversion, but this team is already set to pass between Rayn/HK/prplhz/Conversion voting yes. Also, despite actually posting, Prplhz isn't showing any sign of thinking about people's alignments and I don't like that rather than trying to evaluate my alignment he posts this nonsense: On November 02 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote: No wait a second. Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies? On November 02 2018 10:00 prplhz wrote: I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F. I feel pretty uneasy about this atm so instead I'm going to try to push through Conversion's team. And I actually feel a bit better about Kitaman for the post questioning why byj is scummy, so I'm ok with trying Kitaman's team as a fallback. | ||
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On November 02 2018 23:41 Conversion wrote: Who would you have me vote (besides yourself) for chancellor? keeping in mind people will most not likely push me through anyways.. I would probably still put Rayn over anyone else, but I think town has gotten itself way too complacent in assuming Rayn/Krogan are both town from the first policy. | ||
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On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote: also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. | ||
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On November 03 2018 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think its a good idea because even if one of us is scum you either out prplhz or he enacts liberal, or president gets FFF in which case you always wanna bd presiddnt yourself (if youre town). I also think your argument on byj/rels is just dumb because based on meta apparently there is no information on byj, and for both of them -- people who do scummy things are usually scum. Conversion will pick you most likely so for that part i dont care if you downvote the team. I just dont think Conversion's team is gonna be accepted. And if we have scum president to lead government its harder to figure out who is lying. I don’t think Rels/Byj are scummy but excused by meta. I think they’re both just low content rather than scummy. I’d feel more confident being paired with either Kita or Conversion, but it would be pretty bad if the team passes to Kita and he chooses Byj/prplhz. | ||
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On November 03 2018 06:23 prplhz wrote: i don't have a strong read of grack, or anybody really, maybe it's slightly scum but i kinda just want to get elected. i don't think it's all that likely nor disastrous if grack passes me 2F. If I'm scum it's quite likely that I pass you 2F. | ||
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I don't even know what I want to ask you anymore lol. Just some last second decision jitters. | ||
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On November 03 2018 08:59 byj wrote: How do you guys feel now? Shouldn't I be practically scum now, due to not talking but voting? What kind of a question is this? Why did you vote no without saying anything? | ||
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On November 04 2018 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its okay, although i would have prolly preferred if you discarded liberal. I considered it but I think with 2 liberal policies you really need to get an L enacted. | ||
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P(3 fascist) = 33.94% P(2 fascist 1 liberal) = 50.91% P(1 fascist 2 liberal) = 14.55% P(3 liberal) = 0.61% | ||
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On November 04 2018 02:33 byj wrote: What do you guys think the reason is? Among hitler you mean? 2 fascists know hitler. They don't know each other and Hitler doesn't know them, so mafia could be a lot less coordinated than I was thinking. You're busy? You don't feel like playing the game? You don't like playing as mafia? I really can't tell you why you aren't talking in thread but if you aren't going to talk then you won't be selected for anything. I don't know why you're even asking this question. If you're town then you need to be open with your thoughts about the game rather than trying to act as cryptically as possible. | ||
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On November 04 2018 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you open up this post a bit more, i don't understand what you are trying to say here? I thought the 5-3 vote with me voting no was evidence that the team would be a scum team because it must be getting scum support, and later I thought it's possible that scum could have voted yes just because they're also clueless about my/prplhz alignment but apparently mafia has more information than I realized. | ||
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On November 04 2018 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes, sc2, shit game but serral is playing so... lol Finnish phenom. The Serrall ZvZ's were sick. All of the TvP's were super disappointing. | ||
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On November 05 2018 05:46 prplhz wrote: Who will you elect for chancellor kita? Will you vote for yourself or vote no for the towncred? Cute. | ||
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Anyway, what are your thoughts on the current team. | ||
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We could just pass through Kita and Rels and elect Rayn as the next president. | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically your town ppl are; you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman right? No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels. I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you elaborate here a bit more. Why does Conversion's gov pass if this is the case? Or even your gov? Kitaman/HK were both pushing against Conversion which aside from you was why I ended up choosing Prplhz, so I didn't like that. If this is town/town then maybe you are right and Rels/Byj are scum downvoting and one scum upvoted. But if prplhz is scum then I'm much more suspicious of Kita/HK who passed the mission when it was going to be a close vote. (Also if I was mafia then this is like your entire mafia team down voting a scum mission and all town upvoting.) On November 03 2018 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1. happykrogan - Ja! 2. Grackaroni - Nein! 3. Conversion - Ja! 4. kitaman27 - Ja! 5. Rels - Nein! 6. raynpelikoneet - Ja! 7. byj - Nein! 8. prplhz - Ja! Honestly I haven't put much effort into analyzing anything recently though and I may be completely wrong just from looking at the second vote count. I recall Happykrogan kind of wavering his way into voting yes on this and being kind of suspicious of it but I don't see remember anything about Prplhz here and I don't see why scum prplhz would upvote this mission if you/conversion are both town. On November 06 2018 10:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 1. happykrogan - Ja! 2. Grackaroni - Ja! 3. Conversion - Ja! 4. kitaman27 - Nein! 5. Rels - has been warned for not voting 6. raynpelikoneet - Ja! 7. byj - Nein! 8. prplhz - Ja! | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:26 kitaman27 wrote: lol I got crucified for suggesting a Grack + Conversion team, yet HK said that he was going to nominate me about 5 times, before he ended up with rayn. That team really doesn't make sense. Plus each of the last two votes reached majority with a single vote being able to swing things. On day two, I announced that I was passing your grack + conv team and then krogran decided to switch his vote to pass afterwards as well. There is really no reason for us to send it through. Plus there was the whole prpl throwing my name out at the start of the game for no good reason thing, which I think shows that it's pretty obvious we're not buddies either. I don't think it shows that you're not obviously buddies and also that's not a bad thing for scum to do imo. If You/Conversion go on mission one and it's sabotaged then that is really bad for mafia. It's not a bad strategy to aim for scum president/town chancellor. | ||
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On November 07 2018 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't figure out your conclusion here. Can you put some effort at some point into well.. making a conclusion. Because to me it feels like you aren't really saying anything like "this is why i think this is true" instead of "this might be or this might not be". Yeah I haven't really done my homework for this game to make a conclusion. Those are just my thoughts after you asked me to look at the votes. My feelings about this game are effected a lot by assuming Prplhz is scum. I did check HK's meta just now and he hasn't actually even played a game as mafia yet, so he's probably not scum this game after all judging from how well he started off the game. | ||
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On November 07 2018 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand this either since if you just look at the votes the scumteam is "obviously" byj/Rels/kitaman for you at least. lol well idk what to tell you my scum team thought was Prplhz + the two town votes on that mission. That might be because Byj/Rels have both been very pro-Grackaroni and I'm dumb lol. | ||
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I think the team may actually be Prplhz/Kitaman/Conversion from reading the interactions between them. Lots of little snipes against each other without much coming from them that reads a lot like scum distancing to me. (If this is the case then Conversion got 2 liberal cards) Rayn also mentioned the possibility of a Kita/byj/Rels team from the votes but that doesn't feel right to me. Regardless that team won't be able to win if that is the team. I think Prplhz is very likely scum since the only thing he's done this game is try to convince people that I'm scum after voting for me to choose the cards. If we don't have the votes for me/Rels then I'll upvote me/Kita if that's what Rayn wants me to do but I'm also ok with letting the investigative ability go to HK. I'm going quote some of the interactions in a second. | ||
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But now starting from the top of the filters: This call out from Kita is actually quite good. Conversion voted no on HK/Rayn because he wanted to play it safe and not just choose the first team, but his response to Kita's question about Prplhz seems pretty suspicious to me. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2018 22:32 Conversion wrote: I'm chill with passing this government I'm assuming I want to pass krogan or rayn into chancellorship-- is it going to pass though? On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote: What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary? If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj? On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote: I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals. In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went. On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote: Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically? On November 02 2018 23:53 Conversion wrote: Let me take a look into his filter. I recall him being pretty neutral (and I historically can never read the dude correctly..) On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote: oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though? what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after | ||
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On November 04 2018 04:50 prplhz wrote: I meant who came after conversion because I don't think I want his team to go through. . . . [No comment on anything aside from me being scum, and it was also clear that I was going to be voting for this team.] . . . 1. happykrogan - Ja! 2. Grackaroni - Ja! 3. Conversion - Ja! 4. kitaman27 - Nein! 5. Rels - has been warned for not voting 6. raynpelikoneet - Ja! 7. byj - Nein! 8. prplhz - Ja! | ||
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On November 09 2018 04:42 Conversion wrote: also hot take and unrelated I have no idea why people are pushing this "Conversion is very angry as mafia/scum" thing.. that was probably my 2nd most level-headed game, next to Vendee @Grack you even called me relaxed in that game, which is why you townread me The relaxed was for the first part of the game before you came under pressure. I looked back at the game just now and the anger doesn't look as real as your posts this game but you definitely aren't bad at faking frustration. | ||
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On November 09 2018 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](https://cdn.newsserve.net/i/20170612/1825-Who-On-Earth-Is-Lord-Buckethead.jpg) I didn't want to say it, but I think it has become pretty clear that you're all racist against our benevolent overlord. It's really not your fault though. The nasty prejudice has passed down from generation to generation and has become so ingrained into the fabric of our society that you find yourself unable to overcome it. I have a dream that my children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their bucket shaped head, but by the content of their character. I too wish for a day when we shall no longer be judged by the buckets/pants on our heads. | ||
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On November 09 2018 07:54 prplhz wrote: I don't know how I will vote. The team has me in it? | ||
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Votes will be interesting. If this passes I cant talk TT | ||
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On November 13 2018 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think it depends on if rels + grackaroni think i am town or not I don't think 4 makes sense. If somebody lied then we enact three fascist policies just to find out that somebody threw out a liberal card. | ||
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I'd be fine with just passing Rayn and Krogan's teams and letting Krogan investigate. It seems very likely that 2 mafia are among Byj/Prplhz/Kitaman. | ||
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On November 13 2018 03:04 kitaman27 wrote: Cool. Going along with plan 2 as planned. lol | ||
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On November 13 2018 10:54 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm glad that everyone picked up on rayn being mafia. I suspected him from the start! | ||
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I know you're drunk though obv. | ||
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Kita has 100% mafia claimed from the lord buckethead post to the read between the lines post to voting yes on byj/prplhz while voting no on Rayn/Krogan. There is zero chance that Kita is not mafia so the Rayn post about Kita can't mean anything. | ||
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I assume scum chancellors would enact liberal early on. | ||
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