EPTelect always: rayn
elect high priority: grack
neutral: kita
try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels
I'll come back later so I'm not spamming it up more than I already have
[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 31
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
elect always: rayn elect high priority: grack neutral: kita try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels I'll come back later so I'm not spamming it up more than I already have | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 06 2018 01:37 happykrogan wrote: Also to my convenient three: I talked to byj when he said stuff I talked to rels when he said stuff I postponed reading you again because it is very hard for me to reconsider you objectively. So I tried to win some time to get some mental distance from the lying accusation. I tried my best again today. Apart from that I will try to make a read on every chancellor/president when it's their turn. So next I will try to make a read on kitaman. | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 06 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote: anyways, my state of the game: elect always: rayn elect high priority: grack neutral: kita try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels I'll come back later so I'm not spamming it up more than I already have Why is kita suddenly not scum anymore? Do you have anything on byj except this: On November 06 2018 00:48 Conversion wrote: ??? I dug through your filter four times now and I have no idea what your "plan" was Care to elaborate? Also that's a thing I talked about with him, so you don't have more on byj than me? What's your problem with rels? I strg+f imn your filter but didn't find anything. What do you have more than I have. I am not really sureif I did something wrong, because it was somehow not highlighting it every time. | ||
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byj
494 Posts
On November 05 2018 23:11 happykrogan wrote: For people defending your bait plan, you need to tell us your plan first. If your plan is just: Let's look for people defending my plan, no one will be defend your fake/bait plan because you never told it. You can react to it either way. It's just that people don't seem to want to do so. You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them. On November 05 2018 23:19 happykrogan wrote: Hitler would not out himself anyways because scum knows him. It would be a communication attempt to see who the other fascists are. Instead of just waiting for them to communicate to him? | ||
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byj
494 Posts
You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them. I don't need to have a town read on anybody to say they're easier to push than me??? | ||
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byj
494 Posts
On November 06 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote: elect always: rayn Why exactly again? | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
Because I found him the most liberal out of anyone in the thread? Care to answer my question on what your "plan" was that I apparently ignored? | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote: Is getting reads onto people not a plan? There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists. I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate? that was your plan? getting reads onto people? why am I or Rels suspicious for flat out ignoring you on getting reads onto people? | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:52 byj wrote: I don't need to have a town read on anybody to say they're easier to push than me??? You are assuming, that if you vote but not talk mafia will defend you. The reason for that is, that rels and conversion are easier to push as mafia. Therefore if you are telling the truth, you have to think they are both town, because otherwise mafia wouldn't want to push them. If they wouldn't rather push them then you (because they are also mafia) your logic why mafia would defend you has failed. Therefore you have to think they are town. I hope I made it clearer. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 06 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote: So I read through Conversion and came to the conclusion that I still don't think he looks very towny. He talks more but it's mostly about set-up and math. (where he did a complete 180 btw - but that may have come from him misunderstanding the rules) This are his only read posts: This read is not really a town tell, because it's a very obvious and non-dangerous read to make I don't even think that's true. He has reads so that is a rather lazy read from conversion to make. Also I guess he scumreads prplhz? Funny thing is that he was uncertain about him here: which is the thing he calls kita out for. So I vote no this government. You only vote no to this government if you think at least one of kitaman / Rels is townier than Conversion. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I don't see anything kitaman has done as something new and revealing, but just an easy, simple, lazy reads. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I heavily disagree with your lack of conclusion in the Grack + Conversion / Rels thingy because i think, if you actually thought that through from liberal pov you should have realized there is basically no way Grack can be mafia with Conversion, yet every time you talked about the matter you coupled up Conversion and Rels together and i think you are trying to use that as disguise so you don't actually have to make a conclusion that might hurt you later on. Regarding the above, this is your list after the discussion about it: Overall though, I think my trust ratings are better suited as tiers. tier 1: krogan/rayn (myself) tier 2: byj/prl/grack tier 3: conversion/rels If you really think Conversion and Rels are mafia then why the hell is Grack in the tier 2? Because it would simply be the most retarded thing i have ever seen if Grack wanted to originally nominate two of his scumbuddies, one of which is Rels who is considered scum by almost every single person in the game. If you actually think Conv/Rels are tier 3 then Grack should always be town for you, and just made two bad reads at the start of his presidential turn. Once again we go there; you don't make any hard conclusions when you actually could make those, if you don't think your tier list is accurate the why are you even making one? The above happened before Grack wanted to pass on his presidental turn and you apparently townread him for it. You have also taken "pot shots" on purplehaze yet it seems like none of his answers gets you anywhere regarding him, well i'd say that's the case with you on others aswell but that is possible you could do that as town since there isn't much from a lot of players in the thread (aka anyone who isn't me or krogan). Basically i find your reads very easy to make and based on them, if you believed in those reads, the lists you have made make absolutely no sense to me. You should know something is wrong when you have your reads and make them into a list, which should get you into reconsidering and / or trying to find more evidence. You do neither, and instead just post the list. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 06 2018 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree with your byj read early on. As i already said people who do scummy stuff are usually scum, and there is simply no reasonable explanation why someone wouldn't even try to properly play the game as town, espicially when asked to contribute. Yet it happens all the time and you know it. I'm not saying it's good town play, but there are just as many examples where town players do absolutely nothing, as there are mafia. From my personal experience, newbie mafia players go out of their way to look good and comment on stuff that doesn't really matter within the first 24 hours of the game because they're overly excited about looking good, where as I felt that byj didn't fit that mold. It was basically a heuristic, until he started posting content to make it easier to determine what his alignment was. Now that he has posted more, I tend to agree that he doesn't look very good, but I stand by the original thought process. On November 06 2018 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree with your lack of conclusion in the Grack + Conversion / Rels thingy because i think, if you actually thought that through from liberal pov you should have realized there is basically no way Grack can be mafia with Conversion, yet every time you talked about the matter you coupled up Conversion and Rels together and i think you are trying to use that as disguise so you don't actually have to make a conclusion that might hurt you later on. Regarding the above, this is your list after the discussion about it: If you really think Conversion and Rels are mafia then why the hell is Grack in the tier 2? Because it would simply be the most retarded thing i have ever seen if Grack wanted to originally nominate two of his scumbuddies, one of which is Rels who is considered scum by almost every single person in the game. If you actually think Conv/Rels are tier 3 then Grack should always be town for you, and just made two bad reads at the start of his presidential turn. Once again we go there; you don't make any hard conclusions when you actually could make those, if you don't think your tier list is accurate the why are you even making one? The above happened before Grack wanted to pass on his presidental turn and you apparently townread him for it. You have also taken "pot shots" on purplehaze yet it seems like none of his answers gets you anywhere regarding him, well i'd say that's the case with you on others aswell but that is possible you could do that as town since there isn't much from a lot of players in the thread (aka anyone who isn't me or krogan). This point is moot since I think I misread grack on day one and it's pretty pointless to try to argue a scenario that I don't think is likely, but you do realize that facist players can lie right? Grack threw out the idea of nominating conversion and rels, but he didn't actually nominate them, which is far more relevant in my mind. Just like a game of mafia, scum buddies can pretend to be suspicious of each other, but at the end of the day if they're not willing to vote each other then it really doesn't matter. Plus, I think it's a disservice to yourself to try to identify the entire scum team at the start of the game. I went with the players that I thought looked the worse and based my voting criteria on excluding those. There was also the Grack + conv Hilter breadcrumb thing from day one that was sitting in the back of my mind, but like I said, I don't think that's the case. On November 06 2018 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically i find your reads very easy to make and based on them, if you believed in those reads, the lists you have made make absolutely no sense to me. You should know something is wrong when you have your reads and make them into a list, which should get you into reconsidering and / or trying to find more evidence. You do neither, and instead just post the list. You say I don't reconsider, but I did reconsider if you compare my first list to my latest list. My reads on grack and byj have indeed changed. Either way, I don't think we're that far off with our current reads, except maybe conversion, so I don't need you to think of me as confirmed town as long as things continue to stay on track. | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
I can read conversion's anger today both ways... As I read his filter today I actually assumed I would find him towny in the end, but as that didn't happen I may have unintenionally discredited his kita read for less than it actually was. To be fair I haven't changed my reads much, but he is wrong in that I just go for the inactives, also I don't like how he attacked me as well as kita after we called him scummy...but then again he could just be angry town... As he rayn is a far better and more experienced player then I am and we are up 2-0, I say fuck it and sheep him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then) 2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE" 3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT" really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays. | ||
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 06 2018 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: You only vote no to this government if you think at least one of kitaman / Rels is townier than Conversion. Rels is not townier and for this decision (I had only about 5 minutes to revaluate) I just trust you on kita. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 06 2018 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you seriously think Grackaroni had the thought that he'd backpedal from nominating Conversion? Because i don't think that's a possibility given how strong he implied his read was (i agree Rels was never gonna get nominated most likely). Because if that was the case this would have happened: 1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then) 2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE" 3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT" really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays. also this is true... | ||
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