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On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 20:33 happykrogan wrote:
A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan. Is getting reads onto people not a plan? Show nested quote +
Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town. There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists. Show nested quote +But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense. I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?
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On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:
I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).
For people defending your bait plan, you need to tell us your plan first. If your plan is just: Let's look for people defending my plan, no one will be defend your fake/bait plan because you never told it.
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You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them.
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On November 05 2018 22:53 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
(which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)
 Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts. Why would Hitler need to out himself?
You already asked this question and I already answered a few days ago.
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On November 05 2018 23:12 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 22:53 byj wrote:On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
(which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)
On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts. Why would Hitler need to out himself? You already asked this question and I already answered a few days ago.
Ok you asked why letting hitler know who you are is important.
Hitler would not out himself anyways because scum knows him. It would be a communication attempt to see who the other fascists are.
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If your plan is to act suspiciously and then gauge people's reactions, didn't you consider that scum might just take the free scum read on you rather than try to win over your support?
Anyway, what are your thoughts on the current team.
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I'm trying to not get tunneled on Prplhz but I can't help but feel that he was looking to pin the blame for a failed mission on me from his very first comment.
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So I read through Conversion and came to the conclusion that I still don't think he looks very towny.
He talks more but it's mostly about set-up and math. (where he did a complete 180 btw - but that may have come from him misunderstanding the rules)
This are his only read posts:
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.
This read is not really a town tell, because it's a very obvious and non-dangerous read to make
On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty
I don't even think that's true. He has reads so that is a rather lazy read from conversion to make.
Also I guess he scumreads prplhz? Funny thing is that he was uncertain about him here:
On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote:oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:
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Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about. It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad. I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post. what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after
which is the thing he calls kita out for.
So I vote no this government.
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obvious and non-dangerous read.. so what does that make Kita's read, and everyone literally barring two people (rayn, and possibly Grack)?
On November 05 2018 01:18 kitaman27 wrote:
My new tiers for trustworthiness would be:
tier 1: krogan, grack, rayn
tier 2: prpl
tier 3: byj, conversion, rels
I think grack rejecting his own presidency is rather town looking considering the decent opportunity to pass FF. Now that byj has started posting more, I think he looks a lot worse by purposely withholding his reads and asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.
I'm going to vote down the conversion team. For my presidency, I'd likely nominate krogan who I have a slightly better feeling on, compared to rayn, but I still haven't decided for sure.
wow such a non obvious and dangerous lead, amirite Krogan?
Also how are you going to say my statement about Kita is not true? He has a good amount of posts that literally just say that he is unsure about something. Care to point out in quotes and filters why it's not true, instead of dismissing me randomly?
Also don't put words in my mouth to fit a narrative. I didn't like certain parts of prplhz's play, never scumread him strongly. The worst case scenario in my head was Grack scum prplhz unsure, but I strongly townread Grack (imagine you actually tried to read my filter, and ask if you were unsure as to what I was insinuating. hard task, eh?)
On November 03 2018 03:06 Conversion wrote:
pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher.
I thought if prplhz was scum! in my world, I'd still pass the government because I thought liberal!Grack most likely pass 1/1 L/F to give us information anyways (we ended up getting L/L passed on prplhz)
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clarifying: worst case scenario was a Grack/prplhz hilter/facist combo* as per the quote I pulled from reading my filter.
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On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are. As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote. Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread Examples: Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ? Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post. Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them. But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information. So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
also great dangerous, non-obvious reads you have there, happykrogan. Can you tell me in what world that me/rels/byj being facist is a "dangerous" and non-obvious read? I'd love to get your insight on how you trailblazed these three leads through your superior induction skills.
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also let's not forget that when I asked you to actually logically place a facist/facist team, you basically refused to do so
On November 03 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:17 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other. I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there) or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great yes. I didn't really tried to find a team connection yet. I just listed scummy individuals. And not mentioning each other doesn't mean you are not im a team. I will read through some filters later until I can give you an answer to the other question that will satisfy myself.
?? do you have some edgy, dangerous, non-obvious reads for us yet? or are you just going to tunnel in more and take the easy way to call ambiguous players facists in hopes that you can coast this game?
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On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.
Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum? Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines. He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos. His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good. I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me. I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town. I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.
In what way am I actively trying to lose the game, aside from my shitposting early game? Are you serious? Did you even bother reading past page 10 of this game before you made this post?
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On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:Thanks <3 Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded. <3 Probably the game before that What makes you think they don't serve a purpose? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan. I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).
???
I dug through your filter four times now and I have no idea what your "plan" was
Care to elaborate?
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kitaman27
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Anyone notice how Conversion was happy to play a back seat role until now? Suddenly it's his turn and he starts attacking the people who are questioning his alignment. I think that shows that he's more invested in getting elected as opposed to figuring out the game the previous couple of cycles, where he simply went with policy votes.
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On November 06 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:obvious and non-dangerous read.. so what does that make Kita's read, and everyone literally barring two people (rayn, and possibly Grack)? Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 01:18 kitaman27 wrote:
My new tiers for trustworthiness would be:
tier 1: krogan, grack, rayn
tier 2: prpl
tier 3: byj, conversion, rels
I think grack rejecting his own presidency is rather town looking considering the decent opportunity to pass FF. Now that byj has started posting more, I think he looks a lot worse by purposely withholding his reads and asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.
I'm going to vote down the conversion team. For my presidency, I'd likely nominate krogan who I have a slightly better feeling on, compared to rayn, but I still haven't decided for sure. wow such a non obvious and dangerous lead, amirite Krogan? Also how are you going to say my statement about Kita is not true? He has a good amount of posts that literally just say that he is unsure about something. Care to point out in quotes and filters why it's not true, instead of dismissing me randomly? Also don't put words in my mouth to fit a narrative. I didn't like certain parts of prplhz's play, never scumread him strongly. The worst case scenario in my head was Grack scum prplhz unsure, but I strongly townread Grack (imagine you actually tried to read my filter, and ask if you were unsure as to what I was insinuating. hard task, eh?) Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 03:06 Conversion wrote:
pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher. I thought if prplhz was scum! in my world, I'd still pass the government because I thought liberal!Grack most likely pass 1/1 L/F to give us information anyways (we ended up getting L/L passed on prplhz)
So you're in fact uncertain about prplhz...
I thought you may scumread him because of this:
On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty
but then that's one less read you have. that's ok... Sorry for putting words in your mouth, that in my mind would have made you less scummy.
As to kita: He has made some reads:
I won't quote them because I don't want this post to get too long, but I say some postnumbers
#213 #543 you are scummy
#289 He is not a big fan of Rels
#303 a big post where he says where everybody stands in his opinion
#365 #535 putting people in tiers
#453 "2 of my scumreads"
BTW i'm not saying kita is town here. I'm just saying Conversions read is untrue.
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On November 06 2018 00:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone notice how Conversion was happy to play a back seat role until now? Suddenly it's his turn and he starts attacking the people who are questioning his alignment. I think that shows that he's more invested in getting elected as opposed to figuring out the game the previous couple of cycles, where he simply went with policy votes.
1) I was busy this weekend which is why I "took a backseat role," so don't fit your narrative to fit your argument, please.
2) I don't care about getting elected, I care about poorly constructed arguments. Can you specify anywhere in my filter where I want people to elect me?
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BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.
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On November 06 2018 00:51 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:obvious and non-dangerous read.. so what does that make Kita's read, and everyone literally barring two people (rayn, and possibly Grack)? On November 05 2018 01:18 kitaman27 wrote:
My new tiers for trustworthiness would be:
tier 1: krogan, grack, rayn
tier 2: prpl
tier 3: byj, conversion, rels
I think grack rejecting his own presidency is rather town looking considering the decent opportunity to pass FF. Now that byj has started posting more, I think he looks a lot worse by purposely withholding his reads and asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.
I'm going to vote down the conversion team. For my presidency, I'd likely nominate krogan who I have a slightly better feeling on, compared to rayn, but I still haven't decided for sure. wow such a non obvious and dangerous lead, amirite Krogan? Also how are you going to say my statement about Kita is not true? He has a good amount of posts that literally just say that he is unsure about something. Care to point out in quotes and filters why it's not true, instead of dismissing me randomly? Also don't put words in my mouth to fit a narrative. I didn't like certain parts of prplhz's play, never scumread him strongly. The worst case scenario in my head was Grack scum prplhz unsure, but I strongly townread Grack (imagine you actually tried to read my filter, and ask if you were unsure as to what I was insinuating. hard task, eh?) On November 03 2018 03:06 Conversion wrote:
pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher. I thought if prplhz was scum! in my world, I'd still pass the government because I thought liberal!Grack most likely pass 1/1 L/F to give us information anyways (we ended up getting L/L passed on prplhz) So you're in fact uncertain about prplhz... I thought you may scumread him because of this: Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty but then that's one less read you have. that's ok... Sorry for putting words in your mouth, that in my mind would have made you less scummy. As to kita: He has made some reads: I won't quote them because I don't want this post to get too long, but I say some postnumbers #213 #543 you are scummy #289 He is not a big fan of Rels #303 a big post where he says where everybody stands in his opinion #365 #535 putting people in tiers #453 "2 of my scumreads" BTW i'm not saying kita is town here. I'm just saying Conversions read is untrue.
where are your dangerous and edgy reads? I'm still waiting aside from your basic ass "rels and byj the barely posting and my one tunneled Conversion read"
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On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.
also terrible read, I get really angry every game
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On November 06 2018 00:37 Conversion wrote:also let's not forget that when I asked you to actually logically place a facist/facist team, you basically refused to do so Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2018 00:17 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:13 happykrogan wrote:On November 02 2018 23:51 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Grackaroni wrote:On November 02 2018 23:47 Conversion wrote:
also to @Grack I felt like HK was more focused on calling me scum (not sure who he thinks my partner is in that case) than byj/rels, no? He says me/prp are above you/byj/Rels. interesting. On November 02 2018 20:00 happykrogan wrote:
I'm going to vote yes.
I am not entirely confident in the team, but if I would only vote teams of two players I townread I would almost never vote yes.
And Grack and prplhz are at least less scummy then Rels/Conversion/byj
And whatever happens, we always get information out of it, so I generally prefer voting yes anyway. @HK Can I get some clarification on what team would make sense, since you are so steadfast in believing that I am scum through my lying nature? Would it be me-byj, or me-rels? My problem is that you appaer really scummy to me, but rayn who played way more than me (and is most likely town as he enacted a liberal policy where could have enacted a fascist one) and Grack (who I have nothing against except your joke/communication which was probably nothing) read you as town. So I am really torn right now. Also you look better now. I planned looking into you again when I have to(when you're the presidential candidate). That lying will bother me the whole game though... As for your question: Neither of them is more probable than the other, as you don't really mention each other. I have a pretty big problem with this-- you seem to have (or had) a rather strong read in me being a facist, and you threw out two other names (byj, Rels). if you can't see a logical connection just because we don't mention each other, are you saying the entire team lies in byj/conversion/rels? If you're not willing to make a deeper read, or connect the dots, why are the three names in there? Are you just objectively evaluating persons individually without a thought to the larger team at hand (this is ok, I'm just trying to understand how those names got there) or do you see a world in which I am not facist-- in which case, which of the two remaining (Byj, rels) is more facist to you, and what do you think the team will be? as @Grack mentioned, just having your entire pool in AFKers/barely playing people isn't great yes. I didn't really tried to find a team connection yet. I just listed scummy individuals. And not mentioning each other doesn't mean you are not im a team. I will read through some filters later until I can give you an answer to the other question that will satisfy myself. ?? do you have some edgy, dangerous, non-obvious reads for us yet? or are you just going to tunnel in more and take the easy way to call ambiguous players facists in hopes that you can coast this game?
Refusing to do something is not the same as not having found something.
With obvious and non-dangerous I mean that it is an easy to make read, you can easily distance yourself from it, if more happens which I think that was.
Also at no point in time I ever said byj or Rels are scummy because they are inactive.
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