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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 04 2018 18:26 GMT
#541
Why do you think grack is town kita?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 04 2018 19:19 GMT
#542
On November 05 2018 03:10 prplhz wrote:
When is deadline?

Why does everybody think that he is town? What would he do with 2L1F or 3L other than pass me two liberal?

Less than 4 hours

I might have to post slightly earlier
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2018 19:35 GMT
#543
On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.


I said I was nominating either krogan or rayn, probably krogan. Now you're just trying to discredit me for the sake of discrediting me.


On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”


This is why:

On November 02 2018 22:32 Conversion wrote:
I'm chill with passing this government


On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?


On November 02 2018 23:53 Conversion wrote:
Let me take a look into his filter.


You show absolutely no concern regarding whether grack has nominated a town looking player. When I ask you about your opinion about prpl, you show that you haven't even looked at him. When you actually do give an answer about prpl when I asked you twice, you point out a bunch of things wrong with him and pass the team through for "information". Your explanation about why that was a good thing looks scummy to me.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2018 19:37 GMT
#544
On November 05 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote:
Why do you think grack is town kita?


He passed on his own presidency at a point where the vote was really close. There was a 50% chance at FFL, which is great for a facist president because they can discard L and claim FFF.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2018 19:41 GMT
#545
On November 05 2018 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote:
Why do you think grack is town kita?


He passed on his own presidency at a point where the vote was really close. There was a 50% chance at FFL, which is great for a facist president because they can discard L and claim FFF.


I guess there's a scenario where that could make sense as a Hitler play, but I'm not even close to entertaining that at this point in the game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 04 2018 20:18 GMT
#546
On November 05 2018 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote:
Why do you think grack is town kita?


He passed on his own presidency at a point where the vote was really close. There was a 50% chance at FFL, which is great for a facist president because they can discard L and claim FFF.

Isn't that just how the probabilities work out almost always?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2018 20:23 GMT
#547
On November 05 2018 05:18 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2018 03:26 prplhz wrote:
Why do you think grack is town kita?


He passed on his own presidency at a point where the vote was really close. There was a 50% chance at FFL, which is great for a facist president because they can discard L and claim FFF.

Isn't that just how the probabilities work out almost always?


Yeah, same logic would apply to almost any cycle.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 04 2018 20:42 GMT
#548
I don't know, I just don't get how, that not wanting to take responsibility and do stuff is a townie thing. Downvoting your own government because of the chancellor that you yourself chose seems like he didn't even want to get elected in the first place. I think that his reason for passing me 2L instead of 1L1F seems townie but I'm not even convinced that that is what he did. And even just watching the cards dealt to him, and to me, seems to be worth it.

To me, he was afraid of me, of the cards, of any responsibility. At some point, something is going to happen, and he seemed to be saying "please just let it happen to someone else". If some president has to get 3F, I hope it will be me, just a lot easier to deal with for me.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 04 2018 20:46 GMT
#549
Who will you elect for chancellor kita? Will you vote for yourself or vote no for the towncred?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 04 2018 21:17 GMT
#550
On November 05 2018 05:46 prplhz wrote:
Who will you elect for chancellor kita? Will you vote for yourself or vote no for the towncred?

Cute.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 04 2018 21:52 GMT
#551
Going to start the voting process a little early unless Conversion has a last minute change of heart.

The proposed government is:
President Conversion and Chancellor raynpelikoneet. You have to send Mocsta and me your votes.

Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 04 2018 23:19 GMT
#552
On November 05 2018 05:46 prplhz wrote:
Who will you elect for chancellor kita? Will you vote for yourself or vote no for the towncred?


Krogan most likely.

You seem annoyed that I had a change of opinion on grack and view him as town now, yet you don't really seem to have a scum read on grack yourself. Why is yet?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 09:51 GMT
#553
On November 05 2018 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I don't know, I just don't get how, that not wanting to take responsibility and do stuff is a townie thing. Downvoting your own government because of the chancellor that you yourself chose seems like he didn't even want to get elected in the first place. I think that his reason for passing me 2L instead of 1L1F seems townie but I'm not even convinced that that is what he did. And even just watching the cards dealt to him, and to me, seems to be worth it.

I don't think you are necessarily wrong here, or like, i think Grack is town but this doesn't soud dumb or anything. Except that i think Grackaroni should always give you LF instead of LL there, in my opinion he would have gotten way more town credit from passing you LF there.

To me, he was afraid of me, of the cards, of any responsibility. At some point, something is going to happen, and he seemed to be saying "please just let it happen to someone else". If some president has to get 3F, I hope it will be me, just a lot easier to deal with for me.

This i disagree with. When the election started, Grackaroni was originally going to pick Conversion / Rels. How is that more "avoiding responsibility" to pick you and then downvoting his own government? I mean because as i se it the only reason Grackaroni picked you was because i vouched for you, and when you were picked you immediately started acting like you didn't even want to get picked. I think Grackaroni's reaction also makes sense in that situation. Secondly, you yourself said this:
Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something.

Do you think you yourself "look scummier" than these people? If not, then why Grackaroni needs to go through all this trouble to end up in a government where he can avoid responsibility when he could have just picked Conv/Rels -> and his government would be rejected most likely without him having to not backpedal?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 09:58 GMT
#554
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded.
table for two on a tv tray
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 11:05 GMT
#555
On November 04 2018 13:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Thanks <3
On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded.

<3
Probably the game before that

asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.

What makes you think they don't serve a purpose?


On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan.

I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 11:33 GMT
#556
On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 13:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Thanks <3
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded.

<3
Probably the game before that

Show nested quote +
asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.

What makes you think they don't serve a purpose?


Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan.

I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).

A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan.
Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town.
But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 13:15 GMT
#557
Actually I think byj could very well be hitler. (which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)
A lot of his filter hints at this imo.
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts.
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

Or maybe this is true for himself, and he is a normal fascist but one way or the other and I don't think I will ever vote him this game.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 13:34 GMT
#558
On October 31 2018 02:43 byj wrote:
Screw my position in the rotation list =\
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 02:11 happykrogan wrote:
On October 31 2018 00:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Let me just say it this way:

If I was Hitler and I saw someone say "Maybe we should just elect Grackaroni" I would assume that guy was a fascist.

Maybe I'm just way overthinking it but look:
what if grack is in fact Hitler and sets this up, so the fascists can say exactly that and it appears as they made a joke.


[/QUOTE]
Would that be any reliable though, anybody could say it, and Hitler would have no way to find out he's wrong? Also is letting Hitler know who you are that important? I feel like Hitler wouldn't want to take podshots at people anyway, so people would vote for him later on [/QUOTE]
On November 04 2018 03:09 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So grackaroni is pretty much conf town if we draw 3 more liberal policies.

Wait no. This is not correct. But grackaroni and prplhz are not scum together.

How come? If Scum is up early they can just stick to the liberal policies, since it's likely that by the end there will only be fascist left, no?

On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Oh you're right
Show nested quote +
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.

So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise



The bolded seems like "asking advice" of how to play his role. Also in his very little post count he talks a bit too much about mafia strategy.
I tried to fix the quotation error, but I have no Idea how to do it.
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 13:51 GMT
#559
On November 05 2018 20:33 happykrogan wrote:
A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan.

Is getting reads onto people not a plan?

Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town.

There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists.
But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense.

I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 13:53 GMT
#560
On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
(which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)


On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts.

Why would Hitler need to out himself?
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