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Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:00 GMT
#581
I literally quoted you saying Rels is scummy because he's inactive.

Ironic that you call me a liar, and you do the same straight to me, huh?

[QUOTE]On November 06 2018 00:35 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.

And at least we will get informationout of it.[/QUOTE]

Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.[/QUOTE]

As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
[QUOTE]On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?[/QUOTE]
As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?[/QUOTE]
Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later[/QUOTE]
I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention[/QUOTE]
Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?[/QUOTE]

I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours[/QUOTE]
Why did you vote no?[/QUOTE]

Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president[/QUOTE]

lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.[/QUOTE]
Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? [/QUOTE]
after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.

Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
[/QUOTE]
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:02 GMT
#582
On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.

And at least we will get informationout of it.


Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.


As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?


Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.


Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later

I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.

Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)


fixed quoting
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:02 GMT
#583
On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.


also terrible read, I get really angry every game

So then you have my honest pity.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:02 GMT
#584
ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:03 GMT
#585
On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.

And at least we will get informationout of it.


Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.


As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?


On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.


On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later

I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.

Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)


fixed quoting

plus a few generic posts is the main aspect here
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:03 GMT
#586
On November 06 2018 01:02 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.


also terrible read, I get really angry every game

So then you have my honest pity.


I don't need your pity, because I'm honestly not that pissed right now. In the past hour you've lied, made a shit meta read that you couldn't even verify which takes all of 2 minutes, and still refuse to make any logical connections to facist connections.

Welcome to the no longer liberal list, bud. Thank god I elected rayn over you.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:04 GMT
#587
On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony.

Lol. Yes that would be funny.
Sadly I say inactivity + a few generic posts is worse then not writing anything
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 16:04 GMT
#588
On November 06 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 00:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone notice how Conversion was happy to play a back seat role until now? Suddenly it's his turn and he starts attacking the people who are questioning his alignment. I think that shows that he's more invested in getting elected as opposed to figuring out the game the previous couple of cycles, where he simply went with policy votes.


1) I was busy this weekend which is why I "took a backseat role," so don't fit your narrative to fit your argument, please.


ok cool.

On November 06 2018 00:51 Conversion wrote:
2) I don't care about getting elected, I care about poorly constructed arguments. Can you specify anywhere in my filter where I want people to elect me?


On November 02 2018 22:32 Conversion wrote:
I'm assuming I want to pass krogan or rayn into chancellorship-- is it going to pass though?


On November 02 2018 23:41 Conversion wrote:
Who would you have me vote (besides yourself) for chancellor?


I think these show that you care about getting elected, along with the most recent string of posts. Furthermore, when I said that I was going to vote against you, your very next post was when you started attacking me. It seems like an omgus.

On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.


also terrible read, I get really angry every game


Aww don't get angry. This is supposed to be for fun and we're in a good spot if you are indeed town. If you're facist, well that's how the cookie crumbles, but then again maybe you're faking anger in that case lol.

Am I correct in assuming that you still town read krogan, even if his arguments against you aren't valid in your mind?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:05 GMT
#589
On November 06 2018 00:54 Conversion wrote:
here krogan, I'll do the meta diving for you:

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

CTRL +F Conversion

look through my town games and my one scum game and tell me why your meta read is garbage. I'll wait.

Yeah ok. That's no reason then. I am still convinved of my other points though.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:07 GMT
#590
On November 06 2018 01:04 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony.

Lol. Yes that would be funny.
Sadly I say inactivity + a few generic posts is worse then not writing anything

Look: I proved I didn't lie. Something you're unable to do
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:08 GMT
#591
On November 06 2018 01:07 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:04 happykrogan wrote:
On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony.

Lol. Yes that would be funny.
Sadly I say inactivity + a few generic posts is worse then not writing anything

Look: I proved I didn't lie. Something you're unable to do


No, Krogan don't bullshit me. You scumread Rels for being inactive, first and foremost, then making a few posts to try and look like he's contributing.

Then you tried to backpedal when I called you out on it "oh but I also made this one comment as well lol I'm not a liar "

keep doing the mental gymnastics, dude
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:13 GMT
#592
@Kitaman I'm not quite sure if I townread him. He's refusing to really make any more advanced reads from his Conversion/Rels/byj circle that he called out earlier, and that bothers me a lot. Granted, we are up 2:0 right now, but with 3 liberal cards left and 8 facist cards, it's crucial that liberals evaluate as much information as they can and try to reach from the reads, make connections, etc. I'm not seeing that from krogan-- he just seems to be content in calling his little circle of scummy people out (albeit for not the right reasons, as he tried to do here with a meta read on me) bothers me a lot
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:14 GMT
#593
On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.

And at least we will get informationout of it.


Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.


As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate

Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?

As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?


On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.

I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.


On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later

I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything

byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.

Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)


both times I say inactivity + making oneliners to prove he does something. This mainly for the other guys because you, as scum, know that I am town anyway

happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:15 GMT
#594
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:29 GMT
#595
On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.


I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3)

are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:29 GMT
#596
On November 06 2018 01:03 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:02 happykrogan wrote:
On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.


also terrible read, I get really angry every game

So then you have my honest pity.


I don't need your pity, because I'm honestly not that pissed right now. In the past hour you've lied, made a shit meta read that you couldn't even verify which takes all of 2 minutes, and still refuse to make any logical connections to facist connections.

Welcome to the no longer liberal list, bud. Thank god I elected rayn over you.

If you want some... It is very likely that you are in a team with either of the two.
You are picking on me for scumreading them just for inactivity despite me saying additional things to both of them. Especially about byj I said a lot more reasons why I think he is scum after talking to him
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:30 GMT
#597
On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.


I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3)

are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?

the main reason is the two things combined.
I don't know how to make it clearer so I ignore that from now on.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:33 GMT
#598
On November 06 2018 01:29 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:03 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2018 01:02 happykrogan wrote:
On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.


also terrible read, I get really angry every game

So then you have my honest pity.


I don't need your pity, because I'm honestly not that pissed right now. In the past hour you've lied, made a shit meta read that you couldn't even verify which takes all of 2 minutes, and still refuse to make any logical connections to facist connections.

Welcome to the no longer liberal list, bud. Thank god I elected rayn over you.

If you want some... It is very likely that you are in a team with either of the two.
You are picking on me for scumreading them just for inactivity despite me saying additional things to both of them. Especially about byj I said a lot more reasons why I think he is scum after talking to him

Also it really seems like you try to build a narrative here (because you know oh so well, that one thing I said in the same sentence as the other thing is more important to me)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
November 05 2018 16:33 GMT
#599
On November 06 2018 01:30 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.


I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3)

are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?

the main reason is the two things combined.
I don't know how to make it clearer so I ignore that from now on.


The main reason is he is inactive, and making some generic posts to circumvent his inactiveness.

You don't have to make it any clearer, liar. Let me know when you're going to actually play the game instead of calling other people lazy while you have the same three scumreads since the beginning of the game.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 16:37 GMT
#600
On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.


I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3)

are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?

Also to my convenient three:
I talked to byj when he said stuff
I talked to rels when he said stuff
I postponed reading you again because it is very hard for me to reconsider you objectively. So I tried to win some time to get some mental distance from the lying accusation. I tried my best again today.
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