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happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 22:05 GMT
#621
Is it generally a bad Idea to just sheep a good player you think is townie when you are unsure about your own reads?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 22:10 GMT
#622
On November 06 2018 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you seriously think Grackaroni had the thought that he'd backpedal from nominating Conversion? Because i don't think that's a possibility given how strong he implied his read was (i agree Rels was never gonna get nominated most likely). Because if that was the case this would have happened:
1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then)
2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE"
3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT"

really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays.


On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game.


I did say that it's unlikely in that exact post. Like I said, I wasn't entirely concerned about having the mafia team solved day one to have a scum read on both grack and conversion at the time. I don't think a facist grack necessarily had to anticipate someone else throwing out the prpl read. I think he could have nominated myself or prpl himself, but clearly you think otherwise. Either way, we're trending too far into hypothetical scenarios.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 22:19 GMT
#623
On November 06 2018 07:05 happykrogan wrote:
Is it generally a bad Idea to just sheep a good player you think is townie when you are unsure about your own reads?


Yes, it's usually fine to sheep another player if you think they are town, as long as you develop reads of your own eventually.

That being said, I do find it weird that you seem to lean fascist on Conversion and say that you don't want to read me until tomorrow, yet are planning to pass this one through.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 22:25 GMT
#624
On November 06 2018 07:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 07:05 happykrogan wrote:
Is it generally a bad Idea to just sheep a good player you think is townie when you are unsure about your own reads?


Yes, it's usually fine to sheep another player if you think they are town, as long as you develop reads of your own eventually.

That being said, I do find it weird that you seem to lean fascist on Conversion and say that you don't want to read me until tomorrow, yet are planning to pass this one through.

I decided to simply sheep rayn here, because I thought I had only about 5 minutes until deadline (as I returned to my pc). So I couldn't make a good read on you. Could have probably done it as there is no deadline post there though.

I also never felt too confidend about conversion ecxept as I called him a liar, and as we were fighting, but I always returned to a "meh... I don't know" feeling about him pretty fast.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 22:32 GMT
#625
Do you still think he was lying? If not, why would a town player have motivation to lie in that case? If not, what changed your mind?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 22:32 GMT
#626
On November 06 2018 07:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you still think he was lying? If not, why would a town player have motivation to lie in that case? If so, what changed your mind?


EBWOP
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 22:35 GMT
#627
On November 01 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 18:36 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 11:53 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2018 11:26 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 07:20 Conversion wrote:
also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you

also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos

you might not believe me, but I actually think lying is a scummy thing to do.
And you did lie, as you stated two contradicting things.

Also I think this response is scummy.
It doesn't fit into the careless attitude you showed, because you are clearly bothered by it.
Also instead of explaining why you said what you said as town (what town should be capable of), you decided to attack me and my credibility, calling it an desperate attempt of generating content.
Also you made this post, which I interpret as an attempt of making me look stupid

On November 01 2018 07:19 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote:
Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me...
I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?

He still lied though


you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion

congrats!

Where I stated that trying to figure out your argument was confusing me (before I read your last post of course), which I admit was unnecessary to state as I already realized it doesn't matter anyways.

But the way you attacked me on it, together with the second post, seems like scum trying to defend themself by making the person with the argument look bad opposed to trying to convince him that argument was flawed.


so what makes you so sure that I was lying instead of literally forgetting what I wrote?

If you're forgot what you wrote and then write a contradicting statement, you have to be scum. If it really was your opinion, that we should vote no, because of information we can get out of the votes, you wouldn't say you don't care about the votes later.You would still have that opinion, whether you remember already writing it or not.

So even if you forgot what you wrote, one of the statements is still false, therefore you lied.

@Grackaroni
@Raynpelikoneet

How can such behaviour ever come from town?

I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1).

You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm....

mainly this post made me unsure first. Rayn is a better player then me and doesn't think it matters so it probably doesn't matter.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 22:36 GMT
#628
On November 06 2018 07:35 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 18:36 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 11:53 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2018 11:26 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 07:20 Conversion wrote:
also you fixating on a point on me "lying" is really inane and forced trying to generate content when no one's paying attention to you

also I hope we draw F/F/F and descend in to chaos

you might not believe me, but I actually think lying is a scummy thing to do.
And you did lie, as you stated two contradicting things.

Also I think this response is scummy.
It doesn't fit into the careless attitude you showed, because you are clearly bothered by it.
Also instead of explaining why you said what you said as town (what town should be capable of), you decided to attack me and my credibility, calling it an desperate attempt of generating content.
Also you made this post, which I interpret as an attempt of making me look stupid

On November 01 2018 07:19 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2018 06:19 happykrogan wrote:
Conversion did a very good in totally confusing me...
I don't get what he wanted to say, but I guess it doesn't matter as his theory was under a wrong understanding of the game mechanics...?

He still lied though


you could have read nothing but my last post and gotten that conclusion

congrats!

Where I stated that trying to figure out your argument was confusing me (before I read your last post of course), which I admit was unnecessary to state as I already realized it doesn't matter anyways.

But the way you attacked me on it, together with the second post, seems like scum trying to defend themself by making the person with the argument look bad opposed to trying to convince him that argument was flawed.


so what makes you so sure that I was lying instead of literally forgetting what I wrote?

If you're forgot what you wrote and then write a contradicting statement, you have to be scum. If it really was your opinion, that we should vote no, because of information we can get out of the votes, you wouldn't say you don't care about the votes later.You would still have that opinion, whether you remember already writing it or not.

So even if you forgot what you wrote, one of the statements is still false, therefore you lied.

@Grackaroni
@Raynpelikoneet

How can such behaviour ever come from town?

I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1).

You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm....

mainly this post made me unsure first. Rayn is a better player then me and doesn't think it matters so it probably doesn't matter.

Because I am pretty sure he is town that is.
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
November 05 2018 22:39 GMT
#629
I try to avoid getting tunelled and if I am the only one talking about a thing, that could mean I am tapping in the dark.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 22:41:43
November 05 2018 22:41 GMT
#630
Guys, Sorry, we have to wait for Sentinel to do the post.

Unfortunately, we are close to a majority and there is a discrepancy in votes received between myself and Sentinel.
In this case I will default to Sentinels PMs, however, since I have not sighted them, he will need to confirm...
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 05 2018 22:43 GMT
#631
btw i won't have internet connection tomorrow at work so i am gonna be around the same time i was today
table for two on a tv tray
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 22:50 GMT
#632
Those facists are up to no good. Trying to reject the very principles that our democracy is based upon.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 05 2018 23:19 GMT
#633
The mission passes, I'll do the formal post in a bit.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 05 2018 23:19 GMT
#634
Also don't forget to send your votes and updates to Mocsta
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 23:23 GMT
#635
On November 06 2018 03:44 Conversion wrote:
why am I or Rels suspicious for flat out ignoring you on getting reads onto people?

Did I say that?
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 23:27 GMT
#636
On November 06 2018 04:12 happykrogan wrote:
You are assuming, that if you vote but not talk mafia will defend you.

Or flat out ignore me? :~)

The reason for that is, that rels and conversion are easier to push as mafia.
Therefore if you are telling the truth, you have to think they are both town, because otherwise mafia wouldn't want to push them.
If they wouldn't rather push them then you (because they are also mafia) your logic why mafia would defend you has failed.
Therefore you have to think they are town.
I hope I made it clearer.

Do you think it Scum wouldn't push each other eventually? I find it highly likely that at least 1 of them would have to be town, but not enough to vote for them ofc
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 23:27 GMT
#637
On November 06 2018 08:23 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2018 03:44 Conversion wrote:
why am I or Rels suspicious for flat out ignoring you on getting reads onto people?

Did I say that?


Rather than speaking in riddles, any chance that you could tell us what you do think?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 23:33 GMT
#638
On November 06 2018 08:27 byj wrote:
Do you think it Scum wouldn't push each other eventually? I find it highly likely that at least 1 of them (Rels, Conv) would have to be town, but not enough to vote for them ofc

On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:
Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).

In case you missed it
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 05 2018 23:35 GMT
#639
What did you vote this cycle and why?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
November 05 2018 23:39 GMT
#640
No, only ones I'd vote in are me and Grack for now
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