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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 14 2018 10:25 GMT
#17
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 18 2018 22:35 GMT
#34
When will I roll mafia again?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 18 2018 22:42 GMT
#35
Lucky I checked email tbh don't really use it anymore.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 04:15 GMT
#74
I'm not mafia koshi. Thought that was abundantly clear from post 1.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 17:19 GMT
#81
On October 21 2018 00:55 byj wrote:
Nah, let's lynch the obvious Scum instead
##Vote: Holyflare


This looks very much like an opportune vote on an existing bandwagon.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 17:19 GMT
#82
Are you being legit byj?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 18:44 GMT
#83
lol what have games even become
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 18:52 GMT
#84
df: wants to lynch byj for 0 reasons, doesn't want to lynch me when I'm easy lynch but content is really 0

sentinel: awkward entry and then follow up into afking but his follow up said there's your scum team and out of the 2 people he quoted he picked the less scum read-y of the two who didn't even vote him so even if it was a revenge this it's a bs pick, probably mafia

ruxxar: super 1 liners that don't say anything

byj: wants to lynch me for policy I guess but then bandwagons me for ???

koshi: can't believe he still tries to spite lynch me in 2018 the year of PC play full of micro aggressions

ranked by order of most mafia is hmmmmm

byj
sentinel
df
ruxxar
koshi
prplhz

could be tempted to remove sentinel if he didn't pick ruxxar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 18:53 GMT
#85
I think if byj wanted to vote me to save himself he would literally say he doesn't know what's going on and is doing that. Instead he turns it into some sarcastic play on Koshi's twat headedness.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 19:47 GMT
#90
On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry

[citation needed]

Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018].

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:25 GMT
#97
On October 21 2018 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Holyflare

Doesn't cite his sources


On October 21 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry

[citation needed]

Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018].




Think you're missing something really.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:26 GMT
#98
On October 21 2018 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Bad entry into nothing that makes le think he is town. Also nothing that makes him mafia per se but w.e.


I've done the most scum hunting in the thread with 1 post. Easily enough day 1 content.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:29 GMT
#99
I don't know why you have a vendetta against me Koshi. I think you need to get some help.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:36 GMT
#100
Either way, BYJ could have easily changed his vote at any point to anyone in the thread who he thought could have less content to me, to anyone whatsoever who hasn't posted or he could at least allude to ANY scum read he had. Instead:

On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
I mean it's not like I can change my vote, hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking. Though hard for me to change my vote if it means losing my life


He just used it as an excuse to say nothing, didn't converse with me and gave a further excuse to keep voting me.

Sentinel on the other hand, has received no such pressure from me, sees BYJ up for lynch and rather than post reasons or anything whatsoever he tries to join the wagon on me with poor humour, mimicing his entry into the thread. His initial post into the game read very forced, as well as his scum read on Ruxxar over prplhz (unexplained still/even if joke doesn't make much sense unless overthinking the post when he's making it).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:37 GMT
#101
At least I feel a lot better about prplhz so that's something I guess.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:39 GMT
#102
On October 21 2018 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
I think if byj wanted to vote me to save himself he would literally say he doesn't know what's going on and is doing that. Instead he turns it into some sarcastic play on Koshi's twat headedness.

On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
I mean it's not like I can change my vote, hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking. Though hard for me to change my vote if it means losing my life


Feel like I am some kind of prophet really.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:41 GMT
#103
On October 21 2018 05:45 Koshi wrote:
I dont know if HF is mafia. But I am ok voting him off.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:41 GMT
#104
On October 21 2018 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Bad entry into nothing that makes le think he is town. Also nothing that makes him mafia per se but w.e.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:42 GMT
#105
Can I just say that you should ban this person if he is town. Thanks.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:48 GMT
#109
That doesn't work when there's 20 minutes to lynch sentinel.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:48 GMT
#110
On October 21 2018 06:47 byj wrote:
13 minutes left, anybody up for some last minute vote switching then?


at least this is something towny to say

thanks
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:49 GMT
#113
I would never claim if I was anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:50 GMT
#115
but that's an incredibly twisted logic thing to say

you either thiink I'm towny or worth more than the 6 million people that have said 0 words or you think I'm actually mafia and vote me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:54 GMT
#116
I'm just going to ignore my gut that something is wrong with byj and say he's town based off of wanting a vote switch and vote whoever else that is possible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:55 GMT
#117
On October 21 2018 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Holyflare

Doesn't cite his sources


On October 21 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry

[citation needed]

Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018].




Think you're missing something really.

I don't accept circular references. Or smug assertions.

I actually agree with this:

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking


And since you're the only one talking, and I have no idea who scum is, the best thing I can do is keep my vote on you to keep you talking.


This is also absolute madness that nobody is talking and you'd rather vote the person that IS talking over literally everybody else when you yourself say because nobody is talking it's hard to know who to vote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:56 GMT
#118
##vote ruxxar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:56 GMT
#119
also happy voting df
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:58 GMT
#122
On October 21 2018 06:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2018 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2018 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Holyflare

Doesn't cite his sources


On October 21 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2018 03:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
sentinel: awkward entry

[citation needed]

Teamliquid.net. (2018). [M][N] Bebop Mafia - Page 5. [online] Available at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538135-bebop-mafia?page=5#84 [Accessed 20 Oct. 2018].




Think you're missing something really.

I don't accept circular references. Or smug assertions.

I actually agree with this:

On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote:
hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking


And since you're the only one talking, and I have no idea who scum is, the best thing I can do is keep my vote on you to keep you talking.


This is also absolute madness that nobody is talking and you'd rather vote the person that IS talking over literally everybody else when you yourself say because nobody is talking it's hard to know who to vote.

You only started talking after you were set to be lynched


and yet your vote is still on me

and also that's not true because I've technically made the only post in the game that's worth anything before I started talking again

can you see any case on anyone in this game? have you even given a reason for voting me?

not really at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:59 GMT
#123
would much rather vote ruxxar but I'm still dead and it's all your fault

cheers
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:59 GMT
#124
ban koshi plz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 21:59 GMT
#125
I was vet
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 20 2018 22:00 GMT
#127
fuck this website ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 24 2018 18:46 GMT
#276
On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:
Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread

What are your thoughts on my effortpost

+ Show Spoiler +
TL;DR

I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar

My D1 plan was pretty simple:

1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.

BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.


And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way.

2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts.

Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one.


It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 24 2018 20:51 GMT
#278
On October 25 2018 04:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:
Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread

What are your thoughts on my effortpost

+ Show Spoiler +
TL;DR

I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar

My D1 plan was pretty simple:

1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.

BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.


And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way.

2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts.

Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one.


It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts.

I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa

I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity


That didn't work out either though did it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 24 2018 21:24 GMT
#282
On October 25 2018 05:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2018 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
On October 25 2018 04:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:
Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread

What are your thoughts on my effortpost

+ Show Spoiler +
TL;DR

I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar

My D1 plan was pretty simple:

1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.

BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.


And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way.

2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts.

Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one.


It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts.

I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa

I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity


That didn't work out either though did it?

Did your plan to lynch byj work out?


I mean this is being pretty obtuse because I didn't want to lynch byj in the end and he hadn't said anything of substance or quantity when I wanted to lynch him but in future a game plan shouldn't revolve around killing the only person or persons propelling the game forward by talking because:

A) Mafia is going to kill them anyway if they're talking too much and causing activity.
B) You get more information the longer they're alive. If that person didn't get killed by mafia but they're the only one playing then it's more likely than not that they are mafia.
C) Talking more, if they are town, means that mafia has to talk more to blend in and thus make more mistakes.

Saying the lynch would be polarising and thus you would gain more information because of it is not a good game plan. It's not the worst offense in the game by any means.
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