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On June 26 2018 11:48 Mocsta wrote:Can you please share an example.
Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to.
I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one.
This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality.
Sure, Gemma will likely get around to doing it later too. I found your initial catch up posts...underwhelming for the most part, the response towards Rayn in #78 to be make sense and be something I agreed with but the agreement on TT scum read in #80 with nothing attatched to it as to why you agreed there and to move on from there to focusing on CopCakes question to Rayn in #122 feels like you're...sort of aimlessly posting if that makes any sense, like "I can talk about this for a bit", "I'll focus talking about this" and when I look at it the progression/entirety of it I'm left thinking "His reads are what and why???" and I'm trying to work out if this is a playstyle type thing or not and am hoping Rayns response will help with that.
- R
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@Mocsta - Not a non-native at all, but think reading up/catching up on whatever has been missed (regardless of the length of it) is "catching up on the game". You're very much missing my concern with your play here, it's not that I take issue with your questioning of CopCake there, mentioned it twice now, when I look at the individual posts they seem mostly reasonable, it's just the progression/body of work so to speak where I'm stumped with you and left going "Huuhh" with.
I can't follow what your reads are on the players here or why you're thinking what you are. I'm fully aware that others think about the game quite differently than I do, I'm also very aware that the meta on TL is hugely different to most of the places I've played at. That doesn't change the fact that when attempting to get a read on someone (No matter who/where it is) I need to be able to see "Oh they're doing A for B" or "They think C due to D/E", I don't need to agree with the reasoning of why you've got somewhere or have a particular read for it to be a real/genuine read from them, I do need to see that it exists. I don't even have a strong scum read on you here at all, I'm very much in a headspace where I'm just gathering data to try and work out/solve the game right now and having others comment on your playstyle (Plus I'm planning on reading through 1-2 of your town/scum games when I get a chance to be able to work it out myself) will help me massively when it comes to you.
- R
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On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:
Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place.
Hum. I'd like you to run through this a little more for me please, how it's played out is me mentioning a few of my concerns re; Mocsta to Rayn given he'd know him better than I would and asking if the concerns I have are playstyle based or not and wanting to know his reads there. Then having Mocsta ask me to elaborate on the concerns/what I'm talking about ther leading towards me making the post linking his earlier ones, so this "Seemed out of place" thing is kind of ????
- R
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@I'd asked you who you'd shoot because when I asked you about your reads/thoughts on the game in #114 so I could try and get a better idea about your headspace to get a read on you I didn't get a response to that part of the post so made another one where you're sort of more forced to actually make a comment.
Oh jesus, I can tell playing with you is going to be a pain and a half already. I'll make it easy for you;
- I made a post directed to Rayn asking him for his thoughts on Moscta and his meta/playstyle while listing my concerns that I've got with Moscta at the moment.
- Moscta quoted that thing I posted to Rayn and asked me to elaborate on it / quote an example of what I'm talking about
- I made a post running through my concerns with Moscsta for him.
It wasn't a case, it wasn't a "mini-case" or anything, I'm not currently voting anywhere.
Was literally just answering his question and putting my thoughts down.
Simple?
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On June 26 2018 11:48 Mocsta wrote:Can you please share an example.
Most of my posts are one-liners, so im curious what body of (non-existent) content you are referring to.
I would actually prefer as well if "R" did one, and "G" did one.
This is due to the above proclamation that you share opinions outside the thread; whereas, I find your opinions posted to be non-congruent beyond differences stemming from personality.
Man, it's really strange to have a townie say that their own body of work is non-existent, especially when it isn't. I mean, sure, you've only made 3-4 "serious" posts, but that's still a body of work and I don't get why your response to someone having an opinion on you is that they shouldn't have an opinion on you. Like, if you're scumreading us, that kind of doubt about our read on you would make sense, but I don't think you are. I also don't entirely know why you expect that an example will change that.
On the other hand, I guess I like your approach to getting content from separate heads.
Anyway, I don't really understand your process, and your tone is pretty incongruent. You're swinging between this low-effort type posting and these super formal and robotic posts and I don't understand how your brain is bending like that. Here's an example for you.
On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 11:25 CopCake wrote:On June 26 2018 11:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 10:58 CopCake wrote:
Am I town or am I mafia rayn? This question caught me off guard. If anything, I was anticipating CopCake to declare Rayn: town or mafia. Clearly, the "early game' scum reads struck a chord with CopCake enough to contribute his/her independent thought process of those reads (e.g. Tictock). At minimum, I was expecting that thought process to follow through to the initiator. Therefore, I find this exchange odd. Yes its a dead question - which obviously town can ask. But i find it odd, because its a dead question to someone that I thought woudl be on CopCake radar. Lol, the question is to make a better read on rayn.@Regfan that question is too early to ask since not everyone has posted but I would shot HF as mafia. I dont get his tt reasons. i dont understand how it leads to anything. If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself. If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS. Dead question. Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare. Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content. Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine. On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF. My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see.
I don't understand why you made this post when you did. There's nothing wrong with making delayed comments on things, or not responding to everything right away, and I'm not reading into that, but I think it's strange that you weren't really engaging with anything that was going on at the time, and instead making posts about these other things, in a way that doesn't feel to me like you were compelled to respond to them because they just itched at you, if that makes sense. You're like, fiddling around. Which is fine, if that's genuinely your process, but right now I don't understand it.
My concerns with you are more of a "niggle" than anything, but when I see mafia make posts like these, it's because they're not able to find a real or fluid foothold in thread discussion, and fall back on making "look at me thinking about the game" type posts that don't really go anywhere or accomplish anything and lack a kind of underlying emotional drive to them, which is the feeling I've had about your posts so far.
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@Mocsta - It wasn't a case of you being my primary concern, nor was it even a case of having a strong scum read on you at all. It was merely concerns I had with your posts in the thread and wanting to try and gather information to gamesolve based on it. Figured asking Rayn to talk about you would give me information to read both himself and you and since I had a small ~concern~ that Rayn/Moscta was a W/W pairing that made sense it was how I wanted to approach it rather than just asking you questions there.
I'm very much a player that'll spend a lot of time trying to extract and get information, when I have an actual scum read or someone I feel very confident is mafia, you'll know; this was not it at all. Find your response in #157 very very very townie though and don't think that's how you respond to everything that's been put down on you as mafia there at all.
- R
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@Copcake - Information about your playstyle just helps me put together a better picture of what sort of player you are, what to expect from you, what I should be worried if I see otherwise, it's profile building so to speak to aid me reading you. I was hoping for more information in terms of who you'd shoot (Largely after the 'why' more than the 'who') but you'd mentioned that it was 'too early to ask' and figured that's fair enough, would wait until later and then re-ask/ask if your mind had changed.
Don't have much of a read on HF, dislike his reasoning behind his TT scum read and the over-focus on TT in their following posts but don't think it's an implausible read for a townie to have there, more interested in their thoughts on the game when they re-enter the thread.
Heading out for a but, will be without access of a computer for a solid chunk of the next 24 hours but hoping to be able to read bits and pieces on my phone if my girlfriend allows me to.
- R
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I kind of want to let the thread breathe a little, but posts from CopCake recently feel almost too sure. I don't understand how he got such a strong townread on Mocsta from what he did, and his treatment of both our slots here feels vaguely like he's buddying Mocsta and defending him from a read he knows is incorrect.
It's entirely possible that he's town and genuinely has those stances, but the way he went about it, without really trying to engage with either of us on a deeper level and kind of flinging egg at Regfan, doesn't feel like how I would expect town to behave there.
In particular, I don't think that Regfan's post warranted this response at all:
On June 26 2018 12:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 12:33 Regfan wrote:On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:
Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. Hum. I'd like you to run through this a little more for me please, how it's played out is me mentioning a few of my concerns re; Mocsta to Rayn given he'd know him better than I would and asking if the concerns I have are playstyle based or not and wanting to know his reads there. Then having Mocsta ask me to elaborate on the concerns/what I'm talking about ther leading towards me making the post linking his earlier ones, so this "Seemed out of place" thing is kind of ???? - R I literally dont understand this post. Someone halp, it is like many fancy words but I cant follow.
Like, I don't see any fancy words in that post and I know I understand Regfan better than most people but I think it's very plainly laid out by him.
And, this doesn't really feel like the way that town progresses through a thought. The "in fact, it is pretty townie" bit especially feels so unnatural.
On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote:
Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie.
@Copcake, why are you so unconcerned about whether you're getting Mocsta's alignment wrong? And why are you so unable to understand Regfan yet so easily able to understand Mocsta? I don't get why there's such a difference there in your process between those two reads.
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Ugh I keep forgetting to sign.
-G
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On June 26 2018 13:21 Mocsta wrote:
I am struggling to comprehend how regfan can devote pages of posts to fleshing out a weak to null scum read in me.
Yet gloss over hf.
This startles me even more when the basis of their issues with me stems from my reaction to HF tictock comments.
My recollection of regfan is lots of "process" nitpicking that leads nowhere
##vote: regfan
He literally just arrived at a townread on you, dude. How is he not leading anywhere, exactly?
-G
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Also like, do you have nothing to say about my post to you?
I don't understand why you ask us both to elaborate on our read on you, then basically ignore it all and say that we're scummy because we spent too much time trying to sort you.
-G
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Horrendous phone post time and probably my last post for a bit though Gemma should still be around.
@Mocsta - I had asked Conversion about his thoughts on non HF players, don't think he's posted since.
Just a quick bit about my play in general and in this game, I find myself to increase in read accuracy and my ability to gamesove substantially as the game progresses, D1 and particularly the early section of the day phase is when I'm notoriously at my weakest. Its largely why I don't actually push anyone and admit to myself that my scum reads/concerns with players are just that and not much more.
I focus on just trying to push the game forward and actually make sure there's content inside the thread early on, information I can look back on later to analyse, information others can comment on when they enter the thread so it's not just a stagnant period. It's mostly why this game, you'll find the players that I've talked about or focused on (TT, Ryan, Moscta, Cake) are those that are active or online while I have been since I can interact with them, question them or talk with others about them so they can react and not be playing a big waiting game.
Despite being frustrated some small sections of the early game I'm actually reasonably happy with where I'm at, I feel pretty good about TT being town and find Moscatas reaction towards our comments on him and the way his progression of his read on us went (Him very noticeably talking himself into the scum read and trying to find reasons to sell himself on it when caught up in the moment to him pulling back and realising what had happened) to very insanely townie and don't think that analysis from him or timing of how it happened is ever fake here, would bet the entire game on him being town.
Have a bunch of people I think are almost certainly not W/W and have a few people I'm somewhat keeping an eye on with lots of others yet to enter that I can read once they've done so.
Anyway, yeah, that's where I'm at.
-R
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On June 26 2018 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well at least i got confirmation to one of my concerns. 
Please share with the class.
-G
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On June 26 2018 18:56 CopCake wrote:
Lol, Calix got heated and instead of fighting the people that pointed fingers at him his first post is to make a case of me 🤷🏽♀️ Ofc that shit is staged.
Like any town would try to clean himself but creating a case of me (Bad one).
Literally his case is “town do this, mafia do that” not wveryone play the same way.
@mocsta
Like forcing me to push someone lmao, I already said before I suspect HF and I am not liking the last couple of posts of regfan, specially his engage towards you
I'd appreciate some other perspectives on this.
In the world where CopCake is mafia, his last bit there is presumably him still trying to buddy mocsta and push him in a certain direction. I feel like the way he approaches that, telling mocsta about how stupid/wrong the person pressuring him is, planting seeds of paranoia / trying to break down his townread on us, makes a lot of sense if that's the world we're in. I feel like if he's town, trying to guide mocsta like that is pretty hard to understand, especially when mentioning us is basically irrelevant to what he's supposed to be feeling strongly about in that moment, and I think he'd probably be more engaged with Calix and shutting down Calix directly, rather than sort of playing to the thread at large and mocsta in particular? I also think if he genuinely had concerns with us and was worried about mocsta getting pocketed, he might've mentioned it earlier and differently, rather than tossing it in on the side where he did.
I'm not sure how strongly I feel about this, because I don't think it's super unrealistic that CopCake can just be town with a really wolfy way of talking about things and generally really bad process, especially when I haven't looked super closely at Calix's case on him (it could be as bad as CopCake says it is), and I don't know CopCake well enough to figure out whether "that shit is staged" and such is the way he approaches someone scumreading him when he's mafia, but it certainly doesn't fill me with joy.
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rayn, I would love to hear your thoughts on my two posts about CopCake when you have time to go through them.
-G
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Alright, well, I'm pretty sure Calix is town, I'll let Regfan sanity check me on that when he's back tomorrow I guess.
-G
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On June 26 2018 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't get what is so hard to understand there?
I'm just going to leave reading you to Regfan, because I don't understand how you are ever town after that post.
-G
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