EPTOn May 27 2018 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no, HF still mafia.
no, HF still mafia.
hahahahahaha
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On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote: Well now I know who I can trust  My read now: Town: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, Holyflare, GB, me for obvious reasons. LS: Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble Fuba: and him voting on Koshi makes me suspicious. I assume either LS or him is Scum, leaning towards Fuba Koshi: Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now darth: barely talked, no clue Rels: Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba So if I had to take a guess I'd be Rels + Fuba who are our remaining Scum Why is GB "Town for obvious reasons"? | ||
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On May 29 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote: ^ In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia. I like it | ||
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GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote: Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ? really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit | ||
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It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate. Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????). Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi. | ||
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On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote: Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people? Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself) Fuba voted koshi based on rayn's case didn't he? | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason Jealous died was because I voted him and he became the main wagon BEFORE koshi. Holyflare's swap didn't hammer Jealous. HF, let me ask you something. If I am mafia with Jealous, why would I flip my reads on Grack and Rayn and HAMMER MY FUCKING SCUMPARTNER? You didn't hammer your scum partner. There was ample time to switch absolutely anywhere. Which you did. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare You're mafia. Really good reasoning. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: I don't want to get too caught up arguing over this. You're focusing on a minus that should be outweighed by many pluses in GB's filter. If GB was scum and he didn't want to bus then he never would have voted Jealous in the first place. I do not think there are pluses that you think there are. When I look at gb's filter I see reads that change out of nowhere, a lot of unanswered questions that he doesn't follow up on and a shit tonne of misconstruing and leaving all his options open. Even this whole cycle he keeps throwing my name into some arbitrary mafia list and now he's even voting me despite people pointing out obvious facts and logic gb agrees but then still keeps those options open because it's his only out for later. Even now I know he's just going to try and start a shit fight with me. | ||
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On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town. You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me. You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread. I have three main reasons to think you're mafia: 1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made. 2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his. 3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI. I literally don't care if everyone on earth called you town. That doesn't make them correct. What have I agreed with you about at all? I've made about 5 posts this cycle and one of them is that koshi is playing like mafia and should be the lynch. The others are that you are likely mafia. If you're not mafia then you should be playing out of your mind to convince me you're not and why someone else is but it's all omgus and useless crap like this that makes it really obvious to me you're mafia. You're literally saying I'm mafia who lynched mafia day 1 instead of literally anyone else and now on the next cycle instead of any other player in the game I just push. 1) I have never accused you of not doing things. This is heavily misconstrued. 2) I don't believe he's confirmed town anymore because he's done it again and it looks quite overplayed. I don't think he's looking exceptionally like mafia either though and nobody has made a convincing argument why he is but they just keep saying he is for no reason. 3) I have literally just been doing that. Another post misconstruing. | ||
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On May 29 2018 08:01 GlowingBear wrote: 1) + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote: I don't have a read on you other than you are on the scummy side of null imo. I'm having a bit of trouble after reading your filter tbh, I don't think you've really said a single thing. Specifically, I think it's your whole approach to the rayn/me situation. You think rayn might be mafia initially, you've agreed with my points on him and wanted a follow up and he's followed up since but you haven't interacted with him or re-evaluated anything around it at all and you keep making excuses to not play. Proof you did it. 2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER. 3) + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote: Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb? No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi. PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote: LS is effectively confirmed town, I'm confirmed town and am hedging on rayn. I also didn't even read those koshi posts until rayn has pointed it out. I've also definitely reevaulated rayn to be a complete hedge and see how it pans out. (Also think his vote on jealous while making a good koshi case is more towny than scummy). Fuba is just fuba, literally no opinion other than I think his post being sceptical of rayn looked pretty genuine. If you wanna talk about dodgy wagons you should just look right at the jealous wagon that's formed by a policy voting rayn, grackaroni who doesn't have a scum read and glowingbear who was voting with his two biggest scum reads that suddenly changed out of the blue based on little to no reasoning afterwards. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote: Ok I will vote an absolute 0 content poster and nobody else. Jealous is not an option because I think he has more to give and questions to answer. At least he posted a bit too. JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT? If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is. Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous. I changed my mind. I also wanted to figure out rayn and didn't think he'd actually start playing till jealous was dead because he's a dick so I just pulled a fast one and voted jealous. I still stand by that I didn't really want to vote him but I definitely didn't want to vote df at that point and you switching and looking for any other lynch made me want to go to jealous with hilarious bait anyway. | ||
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Is this false though gb? | ||
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On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it. Is this or is this not true? When did you begin to "think" I am mafia? The mafia progression is quite evident from setting me up as mafia and then finding things to fit the narrative instead of the other way around though. | ||
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"I won't ever change my mind on those posts I took out of context but have been setting up for the whole cycle" | ||
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