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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 23 2018 19:06 GMT
#2261
On March 24 2018 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you around tomorrow? It would make me glad to scumhunt with someone who actually listens to me.

Im shit for conversation but if you go after someone in my lynch list I will sheep
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 23 2018 19:07 GMT
#2262
I am starting to shutting down the factory soon and then im gonna get drunk so no more reading until tomorrow.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 23 2018 19:34 GMT
#2263
On March 24 2018 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you around tomorrow? It would make me glad to scumhunt with someone who actually listens to me.

It's weekend and I'm attending a wedding.

I probably won't be.
Computer says mafia
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 23 2018 19:51 GMT
#2264
On March 24 2018 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No you dont. I said tomorrow.

Ok
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 23 2018 19:52 GMT
#2265
On March 24 2018 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to shutting down the factory soon and then im gonna get drunk so no more reading until tomorrow.

Fair enough
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 23 2018 19:53 GMT
#2266
I work in 7. Cyall later
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 20:03 GMT
#2267
On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:
So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts):

1) Exo claims hf is "not blue"
2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read)
3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant)

This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf:

On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read.


In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else?

what am I missing?


Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock.

Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that".

I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read.

[red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics.
Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI

Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."

But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.

If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."

I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.

Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?


Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please?

Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game.
I can take that responsibility.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 23 2018 20:07 GMT
#2268
RG01Player#1544 add me for hots
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 23 2018 20:11 GMT
#2269
On March 24 2018 05:03 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:
So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts):

1) Exo claims hf is "not blue"
2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read)
3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant)

This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf:

On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read.


In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else?

what am I missing?


Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock.

Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that".

I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read.

[red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics.
Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI

Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."

But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.

If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."

I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.

Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?


Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please?

Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game.


I think it's cute.

And rather easy to do with perfect information
Computer says mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 20:14 GMT
#2270
boy. seems I missed some fun. also rs's filter is like ginormous. will procrastinate a bit on that. sry for the inconvenience.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 20:33 GMT
#2271
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.


Noting this post, especially if there is nothing else from y’all after this.

This first bit is fine, but I don’t like him calling himself stupid. Feels like he is downplaying his own impact on the game. Sorta a “don’t expect much from me” thing.

Jumping from “they were killed because they were right” into “killed kus they were wrong to sow confusion” feels off too. The next best explanation should simply be because they were well townread and not easy mid lynched.

The last bit is what really bugs me though, and why I’ll be keeping an eye out for follow up posts from ykl. Waaaayyyyy too passive and is basically asking to be given something to talk about.

I can understand being overwhelmed as Town and not knowing where to start, but this feels more like overwhelmed mafia not having a clue what to post.
I can take that responsibility.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 23 2018 20:44 GMT
#2272
yall played pubg mobile yet? That shit is fire!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 20:50 GMT
#2273
\o/ Slam!

Town
Mocsta
Coagulation
raynpelikoneet - tone

Very Likely Town
disformation - level of involvedness
Palmar - could be wrong for a number of reasons, but I like what he's posted since N1
Koshi - think he could emulate this level of play as mafia, however his beginning of D2 gives me good feels. he could have just let the cats quarrel and that would have been perfect for scum
Slam - tone from his last catch-up on D1

Computer says town but want to reread
Moosy - my impression of his scum play was he fell off hard later in the game while still posting periodically. i'm not getting that impression here, but need to double-check to make sure his posts are leading somewhere

Needs review
darthfoley - tonally i'm finding him more townish since EoD1/N1. need to really look into the arguments and discuss with rayn
ksc - felt he was town early D1 and never really gave him a hard look. even the read through I didn't get too far in. could be wrong here
tt- seem to remember he made okayish posts, but i'm having trouble placing him in this game. not a good sign

Fuck if I know
ykl - liked his early tone. could be overwhelmed as town. could be floating under the radar, though
FF - a bit more on the scummy side of null. says i'm scum but he'll sheep onto the wagon that i'm voting on

Very likely scum
N00b - would rather argue about how valuable he is to town than try to be valuable to town

Flipping anyway
Conversion




I'm going to focus on the bottom 7 tomorrow (excluding conv of course), and I'll also discuss any townreads that others want lynched.

Probably be on around noonish CET? Maybe a little earlier
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 20:54 GMT
#2274
On March 23 2018 22:46 Conversion wrote:
I'm done with this. All of you can just waste your fucking day and policy lynch me.


Uhh what? This was a pretty civil discussion until you apparently wound yourself up over shit that happened days ago?

I hate to potentially add fuel to the fire here, but this comes off as fake to me. Like nobody is even talking about lynching you today and Rsoul is very clearly trying to have a civil discussion. Compared to your reaction when there was a giant wagon forming on you yesterday I’m just left scratching my head here.
I can take that responsibility.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 23 2018 21:19 GMT
#2275
On March 24 2018 05:54 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 22:46 Conversion wrote:
I'm done with this. All of you can just waste your fucking day and policy lynch me.


Uhh what? This was a pretty civil discussion until you apparently wound yourself up over shit that happened days ago?

I hate to potentially add fuel to the fire here, but this comes off as fake to me. Like nobody is even talking about lynching you today and Rsoul is very clearly trying to have a civil discussion. Compared to your reaction when there was a giant wagon forming on you yesterday I’m just left scratching my head here.


I mean he wasn't bluffing. The dude got himself modkilled
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 23 2018 21:19 GMT
#2276
On March 24 2018 04:53 Alakaslam wrote:
I work in 7. Cyall later


Who's your favorite smasher?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 22:48 GMT
#2277
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote:
ykl at least seems new to forum mafia and overwhelmed. can he be both as scum? sure. is there a lot of content to go on: no. would I like to be in lylo with him as things stand: no. so dunno. is there a super good reason to lynch with fire rn: not rly. hope we have a cop or something.

Not really what a cop is for. We'd find out whether or not there was a "super good reason to lynch with fire" if he was nailed to the wall and forced to participate, as he would be in games at other sites. Instead we have 7 players who aren't even voting, and of the players who are posting things, some still do not respond to direct questions. Moosy is a great example of this. Makes a bunch of disjointed "If X, then Y" posts (each one different than the last) that all appear to have no basis. And if you ask him for the basis...no answer. Yet some people somehow find the nerve to count him as someone "trying to solve the game." I can't even.
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote:
slam: dunno not even voting is imo always a bit risky/weird for scum imo. gut feeling also says he is slightly more likely to be town. think ill trust rs on that. she said he is prolly town earlier.

What makes not voting riskier for scum than for anyone else?
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote:
coag: plamar was suggesting he always plays like this. don't really know. if so I would like to trade my vest against a vig shot. pure coin flip? would actually like some ppl confirming that he always plays like this. if he doesn't there is actually a good scum chance here.

Yes, a REALLY good scum chance there, if Palmar is mistaken or misinforming. If the truth is that Coagulation has often been a worthwhile town asset, then I think the points I made give us extremely good reason to lynch him.
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote:
what do you think of fefe @nk?

Well, let's see here....
On March 16 2018 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
i am not promising any more effort or activity than last game

On March 20 2018 11:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
so can I just disregard the last 12 pages or what. I'm gonna do that

On March 21 2018 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
What's the slam story i skipped it

On March 22 2018 01:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've only read to page 38

On March 22 2018 06:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
i have no idea what's going on

On March 23 2018 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
when have i had any impact as town or mafia in like 3 years?

On March 23 2018 08:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
I honestly don't think I'll be trying too hard so if i have to die to solve the game go for it.

What I think of Fecalfeast is that he is the living embodiment of TL Mafia, in a nutshell.

Ostensibly he is a terrific place for votes (if people were voting) to get him to participate more so you can get a read on him. And if he won't participate more, you kill him. Unfortunately, there are too many other do-nothings to actually single him out for it, and based on my experience playing with him in other games (and reading other games he's participated in) his do-nothingness in this game is not really alignment-indicative. Hence the questions in my long post about the history of Alakaslam and "take my ball and go home" behaviors, and about Coagulation and "read 85 pages but have nothing to say about them, before risking my own death" behaviors. I think the answers to those questions can yield more context than meta analysis of FecalFeast is likely to yield. You apparently aren't someone who has the answers to those questions, but I thank you for at least trying to address them.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 22:55 GMT
#2278
On March 23 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:
@nk the mostly afk players reads don't really interest me. The only one that comes close is the ykl read.

And what are your answers to the questions I posed?
On March 23 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:
To be able to read you id need you to comment on other things that have more content in the thread.

More content? What things are those supposed to be?
On March 23 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:
Not interested in the dick measuring who voted who and who was bad in a previous game argument @.@ it has absolutely no relevance to this game

It has relevance to this game in that rayn displayed a willingness to continue an argument in which he knows he is in the wrong. My fake-out non-vote of him was a big topic of discussion in that game, I *know* he remembers it. I *know* that HE knows that I did not vote for him in that game, and that the only two players I voted for in that game were BOTH scum. Yet he continued to extend the argument about it, time and time again. For what? To make the game thread longer and harder to read? To make his filter longer and harder to read? To try and take my focus off of the game at hand? What other reason would he have for willfully extending an argument where he knows what I've said is fact?
On March 23 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote:
Let's pretend I give you the benefit of the sound and say yes losing a town nk would cripple us and we'd have no chance of winning. Now convince me you're town rather than trying to scare people about losing town god noobking.

Why, certainly. And how would you like for me to go about that, beyond what I have already been doing?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:03 GMT
#2279
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first

And if your inclination is to "assume that both were targeted because their reads were on track" then wouldn't you have to expect the mafia to have thought of this, when selecting their targets? In chess terms, this would represent thinking just ONE move ahead, yet you've not even done that?

Holyflare's top scum read had been mocsta, and Vivax's targets were Kelsier and Exo (whom multiple players had said were likely of the same alignment, regardless of which alignment that turned out to be). If the mafia wants people to think that HF and Vivax were targeted because their reads were on track, then it could be in an effort to achieve a mislynch on any of mocsta/Exo/Kelsier. Problem being that (if mocsta is truly a town Vigilante) they didn't foresee that he would cement his earlier Vigilante claim, and shoot Exo. Making an Exo mislynch impossible, a mocsta mislynch unlikely, and (if people still think Exo and Kelsier were likely the same alignment) a mislynch on Kelsier unlikely as well.

If you want to operate under the assumption that HF and Vivax were killed because their reads were on track, are you suggesting that mocsta should be the lynch? Are you suggesting that Kelsier should be the lynch? Are you suggesting anyone should be the lynch?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:05 GMT
#2280
On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this

But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?
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