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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:13 GMT
#2281
On March 24 2018 01:11 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis.

Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?

Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.

Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?

Here are the 9 potential Town roles:

Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante

Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.

If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.


Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.


Touching back on this as I read it.

I’m not sure if it applies super well to Noobking due to his play style, but this type of mafia focused thinking raises red flags for me always.

It’s the type of thought process that shows noob is thinking from a mafia POV.
I can take that responsibility.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:15 GMT
#2282
On March 24 2018 01:03 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.

This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?

Kus I knew what time it was, and it saved me from fruitlessly responding to several of HF’s posts.

There wouldn't be any risk of fruitlessly responding to a dead HF, if you just didn't post until you'd read. And being saved from fruitlessly responding to a dead HF didn't save you from fruitlessly making posts about the flips while having no context.

eg "Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?" If you just read before you posted, you would have seen that mocsta had said he was vig-killing Exo.

So, why would a TOWN player feel any need to post reactions to the flips, if he hadn't read the rest of the thread yet, and had no context to work with? I see absolutely no reason for a town player to do this. However, it is comparatively easier for me to pick out the scum motivation for trying to sound like you've not read the thread when you actually have.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:18 GMT
#2283
On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?

I want to lynch rso


Why not me anymore?

And you have 0 opinion about NK?

Congrats FF, you are now on my shit list.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:21 GMT
#2284
On March 24 2018 02:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 02:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 24 2018 02:38 disformation wrote:
On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?

I want to lynch rso

yes.
why?

Seems mafia to me

10/10 answer. =D
will leave work in a bit, but lemme take a look at her filter later.


Why on earth would this make you want to filter Rsoul?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:24 GMT
#2285
On March 24 2018 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
haHAA


Geezus Moosy, hitting post once is enough. Or wait till you have decent connection
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:26 GMT
#2286
On March 24 2018 03:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OH HEY MY NAME IS RAYN PEOPLE DONT VOTE THE WAY I LIKE IM JUST GOING TO GIVE UP AND FLAME OTHER PLAYERS HAHAA HAHAA


This is not helping...

*facepalm*
I can take that responsibility.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:28 GMT
#2287
On March 24 2018 03:04 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's a shit player. But I also don't think he's mafia Jesus

This is a pic of me from December, choking out a so-called "strongman."

[image loading]
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:30 GMT
#2288
On March 24 2018 03:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm being an asshole at this point so I'm going to stop


About 10 posts prior to this actually.

And thus the cycle of shit postsbon TL mafia continues. Kus it’s ok to post shit in response to other people posting shit.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 23 2018 23:31 GMT
#2289
Actually

@Moosy

What is your read on NK? You just pointed out that you were scum with him last game, so I’d expect you to have some insights.

Can’t recall you talking about him though.
I can take that responsibility.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 23 2018 23:37 GMT
#2290
##2279 is rubbish

The only person who said same allignment between kelsier and exo is me

Literally one or two others said tvt
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:38 GMT
#2291
On March 24 2018 05:03 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:
So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts):

1) Exo claims hf is "not blue"
2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read)
3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant)

This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf:

On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read.


In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else?

what am I missing?


Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock.

Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that".

I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read.

[red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics.
Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI

Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."

But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.

If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."

I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.

Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?

Could you try and spew this sort of self-righteous word vomit outside the thread please?

Literally 3 paragraphs of “told ya so” that added nothing to the game.

Wrong. It's important to the game because it explains me continually treating Exo as Town (both throughout Day 1 and Night 1) without it meaning I have "TMI." The rationale behind me thinking that early post was town-indicative is relevant. How his exchange with rsoul made me upgrade him to even townier status is also relevant. It explains why during Night 1, I would encourage him to battle through his disappointment over the D1 mislynch, understand that we're expected to mislynch on D1, and keep working at the game. And why I chose him specifically to ask what he thought a town Vigilante should do, if there was one. I trusted HIM to provide an untainted, Town-motivated answer. As it turns out, I didn't like his suggestion of shooting disformation (because of the possibility of an actual mafia Veteran) so I explained that, in case there was a town Vigilante listening, who was waffling on what to do. But I at least trusted him to not try and lead the Vigilante astray in his answer. I certainly did not foresee that the player I was trusting to give untainted advice to the Vigilante might then be shot BY that Vigilante, as may have happened. (It's been mentioned already that a 4-man mafia team that contains a Vigilante could be fine for game balance, but I still have trouble explaining Exo as a kill target for that mafia Vigilante, which is why I am not worrying about mocsta yet for Day 2. If he's scum, he'll need to be caught later, imo)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 23 2018 23:39 GMT
#2292
On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this

But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

Who cares

Mafia might quit irl to team mates
But i cant see mafia ever rage quitting
Instead its a concede or stop posting

Conversion is town

Slam and ryan arent lynch candidates today

Top scum hunting n00b
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 23:39 GMT
#2293
On March 24 2018 08:28 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 03:04 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's a shit player. But I also don't think he's mafia Jesus

This is a pic of me from December, choking out a so-called "strongman."

[image loading]


lmaooo I don't know if I can ever vote for you after that
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:41 GMT
#2294
On March 24 2018 05:50 rsoultin wrote:
Moosy - my impression of his scum play was he fell off hard later in the game while still posting periodically. i'm not getting that impression here, but need to double-check to make sure his posts are leading somewhere

Think you're gonna wind up disappointed.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 23 2018 23:42 GMT
#2295
#2291
Thinking a player under scrutiny is town of course is not tmi

But you at no point assist or persuade others to your conclusion. Nor do you evaluate if their dispositiin is intentiinally false.

Instead you are content to nitpick their logic.
Logic you inherently know is false.
That is the tmi part of being mafia.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:43 GMT
#2296
On March 24 2018 08:13 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 01:11 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis.

Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?

Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.

Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?

Here are the 9 potential Town roles:

Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante

Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.

If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.


Cool, thanks for helping me understand why mafia would leave a claimed Veteran alive.


Touching back on this as I read it.

I’m not sure if it applies super well to Noobking due to his play style, but this type of mafia focused thinking raises red flags for me always.

It’s the type of thought process that shows noob is thinking from a mafia POV.

Every town player should be stepping back to think about things from a mafia POV from time to time. That's how counterintelligence works.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:49 GMT
#2297
On March 24 2018 08:37 Mocsta wrote:
##2279 is rubbish

The only person who said same allignment between kelsier and exo is me

Literally one or two others said tvt

lulz?

*You* thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). *I* thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). Vivax thought they were likely both the same alignment (and said so). And that's just off the top of my head. Could have been more people who said things that were similar. But *nobody* was looking at it from the outside and saying they thought it was TvS, that I recall.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:54 GMT
#2298
On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this

But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake

More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion?
More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion?

Who cares

Mafia might quit irl to team mates
But i cant see mafia ever rage quitting
Instead its a concede or stop posting

Rage quit is how ya stop posting. You haven't seen mafia rage quit before??? I've seen mafia employ this tactic more than once in the same GAME, before. Of course, it's a fake rage quit, so they come back. Know anyone who said they were bailing on this game or "weren't going to play Day 2" but then came back?
On March 24 2018 08:39 Mocsta wrote:
Slam and ryan arent lynch candidates today

lol, and why is that?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 23:57 GMT
#2299
On March 24 2018 08:42 Mocsta wrote:
#2291
Thinking a player under scrutiny is town of course is not tmi

But you at no point assist or persuade others to your conclusion.

OF COURSE I DID. What else could have been the point of me breaking down the reason why his post was Town-indicative, instead of Scum-indicative (as HF and Tictock were trying to say) or NAI (as Palmar was trying to say)? I gave a breakdown of that reasoning TO ASSIST OR PERSUADE OTHERS TO MY CONCLUSION.
On March 24 2018 08:42 Mocsta wrote:
Instead you are content to nitpick their logic.
Logic you inherently know is false.
That is the tmi part of being mafia.

Nitpicking their logic is EXACTLY how I can ASSIST OR PERSUADE OTHERS TO MY CONCLUSION.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 23 2018 23:58 GMT
#2300
Mocsta are you here?
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