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not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi | ||
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his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:13 Mocsta wrote: or serial killed lol I can see where you are going with the comment though. I havent seen enough to suggest a lean. Is the rsoultin read based on anything in particular; or a even/or with conversion? i looked at her first 10 posts and they had less than 10 emoticons or typed emoticons in them. thus she is likely town. | ||
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koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. | ||
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conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote. nothing else interesting. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote: And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question? is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing? | ||
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that statement was somewhere between joke and harsh reality. the joke being that koshi is bad for town as every alignment thus default lynching him is great for everyone. the harsh reality being that every game i play with koshi inevitably ends up with him tunneled on me spamming my name in caps lock until 1 of us dies. being that i am down to about 2 games per year now this is a rare thing for me and i feel my enjoyment level would go up significantly if i didn't have to deal with that. also it is 12 hours in, most of the posts in the thread have been about garbage, and i feel strongly about 1 and a half of my reads which are town. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote: ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote: The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote: I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote: I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious."I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, What about this? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote: Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote: i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town. koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. | ||
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On February 06 2018 20:26 rsoultin wrote: Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up. why not? i am a firm believer that 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or mafia; and that people too often lose sight of those defining moments in favor of the "what have you done for me recently point of view", often to their detriment. as for the out of context bit. to me it reads as "hey this is my read, what's your opinion?" (which i had already given) not "hey lynch this person with me. hop on bruh" like trfel tries to make it seem. it's not the worst case, but it's enough so he doesn't get to sit at the awesome table. | ||
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Is it like a reaction test thing to get a read? Is it something I do? Is it for shits? Is it a respect thing? You don't have to answer during the game I suppose, I just don't really play anymore so I would like to know. On my end it always comes off as like a disappointed dad thing where he's yelling at you for not being good enough every time even though you're trying your best. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:23 Mocsta wrote: This is my problem with you this game, if you are town. You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome. Why does it have to be so black and white? Im really perplexed by this. I am confused....isn't the reason he doesn't like you because he feels you made a mountain out of a mole hill and basically made an unnecessary wall of text trying to enforce a felony for what he felt was a misdemeanor? How exactly is that filter manipulation? | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:28 Koshi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia Didn't play in it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia Was judge. Dnu how hard I scumread you but at worst I nominated you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi didn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/519746-generic-mini-mafia I was mafia in it. You were 15 times in my filter. 0 times I called you mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge didn't play init http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512552-palmars-purge-crisis-and-turmoil-in-liquidia I was mafia in this game. Not going to open my filter cuz I cba what I said when I was mafia at this point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia AND THE KICKER IS YOU WERE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eventually I figured it out though: HF was also mafia. And I was shot N1. Goddamn I was good in 2017 These were all your games for 18 months. Went back to May 2016 and your filter doesn't go more back. So I really don't know why you are such a whiny bitch atm. I didn't scumread you in 1.5 years. Hm, maybe I am wrong and my memory is colored incorrectly by old experiences or that you default to calling me mafia a lot as mafia. I know that dota game you railed on me pretty hard for a good long time. I also know that paint game you nominated me almost every phase until I became confirmed town. But also considering 4 of the 8 games we didn't play together and you effectively discarding 2 of them; it is a pretty awful sample size. Nonetheless I stand corrected, and will proceed to stop my whiny bitchyness. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:52 Koshi wrote: Discarded what? The games I am mafia in? I highly highly doubt I called you mafia in those that it broke your spirit. I don't play as scum like that. If you like I can read them. But why would I because I know you are wrong. So I didn't discard shit. And the fact I nominated you doesn't mean shit. You should have not have this "disappointing" dad feeling because you get nominated. And I know a reason why I nominated you is because you insulted the judges ingame for no fucking reason at all. Anyway. w.e. I think I insulted you guys because you kept listening to the reads of a guy who I felt was clearly mafia (and I think turned out to be). But I agree it is neither here nor there. Honestly, thank you though. I never would have gone back and looked if I had an incorrect mental block/aversion to you; I would have just kept assuming it was right. I will try to get past it now/going forward and not associate it with you. | ||
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On February 07 2018 09:23 Mocsta wrote: i can rescind 1min before deadline. 5 votes now, doesnt mean 5 votes @ deadline. well i meant rescind the claim. i kinda thought it was fake and a reaction test for a good while. but you never took it back so..... but that doesn't make mechanical sense? like if you try to lynch her and refund your bomb you risk just dying with your shot; whereas if you place the bomb on her and try to lynch some1 else you require there to be a mechanical answer in the game to prevent your kill? eh i shouldn't bother directing blues if he is claiming blue, just let him do his shit and worry about it in the days to come. | ||
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if rayn and hf are both town, game is in good shape. | ||
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holyflare rayn darthfoley then like next tier is probably: rsoul trfel then there's a lot of confusion then probably bottom tier is: damdred mderg | ||
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##vote: mderg that being said i am about to begin the 2nd half of my 16 hour work hell. then i am going to sleep and celebrate my birthday. it will be surprising to both you and i if i am in the thread again in the next 30-36 hours. i will say that if shit gets weird toward the end of the deadline with claims and stuff, you can feel free to default lynch me and i won't hold it against any of you. i will flip town, but i think the town is in a relatively healthy place regardless of lynching a green or red on day 1. it is also clear that the way i am playing does now does not jive well with the way most are playing here, and if my removal from the game would help the better players have a clearer understanding of the game, then that is cool too. if this is the last i post this game, it was fun being completely honest for the first time. | ||
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framer implies cop. cop should be on rsoul, green gives us 6 or 7 confirmed. red gives us 2 mafia in 2 days; both are pretty unlosable scenarios. gonna try to finish my nap before birthday dinner, cya tomorrow. | ||
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why did you vote rsoul over mderg? do you think you were wrong now or do you think you're still right? if some1 bussed on the wagon who is your top candidate? | ||
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the guy looked at his alignment, saw a post of a guy claiming the same nationality, and generated a read from it. either you believe it is so asininely stupid that it comes from town; or you believe it is an angle shot trying to garner info from role pms to inform game reads. i think it was the latter, and from my experience i have only seen 4 other angle shot reads on this forum (1 by me, 1 by robik, 1 by geript, and 1 i don't remember who) and all have been town. if you want to talk tonality, i make the "fuck you" read all the time. people who tell others to go fuck themselves rather than pander or beg in a decent amount of circumstances read town to me. because mafia tend to be image conscious whereas townies want to get in there and rumble. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:02 Conversion wrote: @ritoky lemme find the quote for you. it's in my filter. am i reading the entire nested discussion here? | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote: TL;DR rsoultin said it sounded like I wanted to stick my vote on her and leave it there and I said I will just remain confident and stick to my rsoultin read Yeah i got that, that answers q1. But do you think you're still right? | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:16 Conversion wrote: we good dude. where's your head at though I'm curious well i am not lynching any1 who lynched mafia tomorrow or considering their alignment unless we wake up to a cop saying "rsoul is red". i don't really think it was mvm, i think it was mvt. i think koshi is probably lock town regardless of rsouls alignment. i think i am pretty much lock town. i think df is pretty much lock town, but i doubt others will find my reason compelling. the people who didn't lynch mafia i don't have strong inclinations toward yet. i am of 2 minds on rayn. the read he made on me he once made on me in an obs qt where he convinced the entire obs i was mafia in the f3 only to see me lynch the mafia and win, so i know it is a read he has made before from a neutral perspective (and maybe once in a game) so i read it as pretty normal and town. but then he kinda avoids mderg weirdly from what i remember considering i feel like rayn would normally just dump on him cuz he was basically an afk. but then rayn isn't the type of mafia to save his drowning teammates. but then rayn had a good excuse to stay away from drowning mderg as leader of opposing wagon. so idk that's my mind for him. damdred kinda negative on him. the read wasn't really cuz he was wrong about me....it was more cuz it felt obligatory rather than a read he wanted/cared about making. all i remember about prp is calling me town when other people weren't....so i might be misted. you and rels slot i feel the least about at this point. i know i kinda didn't like you earlier but i mostly forgot why. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:29 Conversion wrote: cool. I think you should lynch me tomorrow because I will shit up the thread without fail + you need town!Koshi to win this game and he will never let go of me being mafia. even if he says it. better to get a mislynch out earlier than not. and damdred/rayn/prp/disinfo is a v. good pool to work with as long as you're playing your game and trying to win for your team, you do you man. if i feel you're town and koshi is in a tunnel i will fight him. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:46 Mocsta wrote: I dont understand Rayns post; nor do I understand what prplhz likes about it probably referring to rayn's egotism as town as compared to his inability to care a ton as mafia. there used to be a flow chart about rayn's alignment that was basically "it's d2, does he still care? -> no = mafia". might be outdated, but i think prp is outdated too. | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: uh oh... now i kinda think you're mafia.  you've done this before when you write into mafia qt and then come to thread and forget which tags to use. this is a pretty sick read if true. | ||
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i could live in that world. dunno if i could live in the rsoul/mocsta world. that world seems too spicy. mocsta: "hey yo tina, you mind if i yell at you about an sk for like 20 pages." rsoul: "oh yeah let's do it." mocsta: "i'ma case you too gurrrrl you like mah case." rsoul: "put that thing away, but keep yelling!" | ||
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good call dood. | ||
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i have faith in humanity, so town. | ||
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On February 09 2018 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: medic dodge on an obvious townie is your answer. gotta do your due diligence tho m8, look for why sum1 might read blue. look for if they was smellin somethin others weren't smellin. look for why him and not me kinda stuff. | ||
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if you're a parody cop i forgive you slightly | ||
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but idk the fake pm, the bolding slip, the hours of research on inconsequential points, the lack of stupid townie thoughts, the vacillating. it just wears you down. | ||
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gimme sum 1 liners. | ||
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On February 10 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: But how does damdred go from "Mderg isn't mafia now because of that vote that wouldn't save him" to voting rsoultin when she was doing the same god damn thing? i agree, this is a good point. it is inconsistent, and he should apply it both ways if it was true. but also where is damdred's anime friend building arc this game if he is mafia? he always used to be a friend builder as mafia. idk i think the case against damdred is deece+, i just kinda....eh....yknow? | ||
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On February 12 2018 05:31 disformation wrote: ah no. I think mocsta hasn't posted yet. eh whatevs. will check tomorrow. savage | ||
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i was set to cruise control, and you go make a play with your claims. fuck you for making me have to read the thread again so soon. | ||
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plus prp was pretty obviously blue since like d1, so i woulda shot his ass instantly. | ||
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to be fair to koshi i did basically ask him if i should vote mderg or damdred day 1 and he said mderg, when he kinda coulda have easily steered me to damd. | ||
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i thought she was mafia because she looked at the setup and only blues and reds do that shit until some1 claims some shit. | ||
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1) pages 1 and 2. he sure fucking talks to and about mderg a lot considering the motherfucker had like 10 posts. also like legit every post is to or about rsoul/mderg; which seems strangely coincidental....altho i guess they was the lynches so yeh. 2) his read on me initially is both wrong and half-hearted. it comes off a bit like "ay yo, mah bois gonna shit on me if i dun do the thing; so here's the thing but rly idc." 3) there's no damdred thought in it. how he has that thought that makes your dick break concrete and is the cornerstone of his entire mindset toward the game. but there's good stuff in there too so i am like meh. i also kinda think damdred had a blue read on prp like me...but that's super speculative. | ||
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If you're done playing then it was fun dood, hope you come back after some amount of time. If you continue, I do have 1 criticism of your play. It became hard for me to gauge scale and context with you over time. What I mean by that is that if you have someone posting a bunch of 1 liners and small posts and then they produce a wall or something in all caps, it becomes clear that there is a difference in severity or scale in this post as opposed to others. With the way you played that became difficult as a townie. You deeply researched, cased, multi-quoted, or analyzed almost everything that was being posted, which was quite impressive. But when I get a case for someone making a fart noise I began to lose the contextual significance of cases about definitive alignment shit. Because the way my brain works to some degree it begins to tell me that "these things matter equally to him because he is having the same degree of reaction." When very likely that is not the case. I guess what I am trying to say is it got near a place of boy who cried wolf with me toward the end. Where you had made every tiny thing seem so significant that when you posted about significant things it began to just feel normal instead of having a glowing sign on it. Dunno if that makes sense or you agree with it at all, but that was how I felt toward the end as a VT. | ||
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