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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 01 2018 22:19 GMT
#5
/in

if this can fill up within a week.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 05 2018 01:34 GMT
#39
/c
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 05 2018 21:14 GMT
#73
town
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 05 2018 21:27 GMT
#80
hf
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 02:59 GMT
#144
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 03:07 GMT
#153
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 03:15 GMT
#157
On February 06 2018 12:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.
or serial killed lol

I can see where you are going with the comment though. I havent seen enough to suggest a lean.

Is the rsoultin read based on anything in particular; or a even/or with conversion?


i looked at her first 10 posts and they had less than 10 emoticons or typed emoticons in them. thus she is likely town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 03:24 GMT
#161
truffle
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 03:52 GMT
#167
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.

koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 08:34 GMT
#208
"invented nonsense". you wound me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 09:57 GMT
#246
truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote.

conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote.

nothing else interesting.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 10:13 GMT
#254
On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement.


You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw


And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question?


is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 10:26 GMT
#257
On February 06 2018 19:18 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 19:13 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement.


You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw


And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question?


is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing?


Why koshi over Conversion, ritoky?


that statement was somewhere between joke and harsh reality. the joke being that koshi is bad for town as every alignment thus default lynching him is great for everyone. the harsh reality being that every game i play with koshi inevitably ends up with him tunneled on me spamming my name in caps lock until 1 of us dies. being that i am down to about 2 games per year now this is a rare thing for me and i feel my enjoyment level would go up significantly if i didn't have to deal with that.

also it is 12 hours in, most of the posts in the thread have been about garbage, and i feel strongly about 1 and a half of my reads which are town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 10:57 GMT
#267
On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.

You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.

Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.

Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?


i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really.

and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:00 GMT
#268
On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read?


that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:06 GMT
#272
On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.

You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.

Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.

Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?


i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really.

and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though.

The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this?


so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish.

it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:11 GMT
#274
On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read?


that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment.

so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town.


i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly.

trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:17 GMT
#279
On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.

You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.

Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.

Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?


i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really.

and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though.

The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this?


so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish.

it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day.


I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you.


look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:20 GMT
#281
On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read?


that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment.

so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town.


i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly.

trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore.

I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this.

Which was the post Trfel took out of context?


this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me.

On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?


the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 06 2018 11:22 GMT
#283
On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.

You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.

Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.

Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?


i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really.

and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though.

The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this?


so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish.

it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day.


I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you.


look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better.


Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you.

I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read?


On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.

koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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