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On January 19 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:
Tell me, does this fit within your knowledge of how damdred plays?
Everything about him to me reads as measured and carefully considered.. proofing before posting possibly more than twice. Everything is INTENTIONAL...
That's really not the impression I've got from his play
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Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum
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Does mafia actually panic that easily?
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On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.
The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts.
Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
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On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
soft defending a townie who's getting lynched is always making you look suspicious. That wouldn't be good scum play.
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On January 19 2018 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. Ok that makes some sense. Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:53 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
soft defending a townie who's getting lynched is always making you look suspicious. That wouldn't be good scum play. So based on rsoultin and HF's discussion and previous thoughts. You believe that damdred is town and Rels is scum who has just sidled onto the wagon without saying much. Do you think one of HF and damerion is also scum aswell? or both?
I don't think all 3 of them are scum together. Both damerion and hf are in my would lynch because scummy pile with damerion being higher up in the scummy department.
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On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch?
I could consolidate on a btdt lynch
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On January 19 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. I too get a ray of hope from mderg.
Who are you and what did you do to the real holyflare?
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On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow
The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence.
On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then
On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then ??? he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around
I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years.
I would generally advice against meta reading me, though.
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I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting
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On January 20 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:00 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence. On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then ??? he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years. I would generally advice against meta reading me, though. Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?
That's pretty much what I said.
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On January 20 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting What is it that you like? His town read of you?
I didn't get the impression that he has me as town. Looked more like a scum -> null progression to me.
The 'we dislike the same post but your reasons are wrong' thing looks pretty good to me
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:That's because there's nothing there! I just remember knock down drag out bitch fights from him. Clearly not present here. He says he's eager to play pre-game...where is that after game starts? He's not afk so that's not an explanation. Don't agree on the holyflare read being good. Though maybe he's played with holyflare more recently than me and that's why. And townreading me this game (except maybe in twatty's case which is actually kind of cute) is hardly insightful. The mocsta stuff is super weak. In the realm of people shitting on mocsta, which I didn't like in general, his has to be the worst. On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 19 2018 05:05 darthfoley wrote:On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote:
I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird.
I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read Oui mon ami, oui! connerie, mes amis ^ He was definitely here to have an opinion or comment on...anything. Just anything. Didn't. Although I did just look up the French and now I want to ask him what he was disagreeing with. I don't put him in the same category as prp and kmatt at all. Still fine with a darth folely lynch though. Devil's advocate says if BTDT is town he's an easy one to point fingers at, and that was df. Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch. Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you.
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On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.
The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
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skimming through damerion's games he doesn't look much different from usual. I haven't bothered to check, if he was right or wrong in his reads, though.
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On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid.
Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind
From what I've seen his extreme confidence in his early scumread is pretty similar to his past games. He didn't tunnel as much but it doesn't seem that off.
I don't like his case and tunnel on damdred at all but his meta seems to be in line with his past games to me.
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On January 20 2018 08:49 mderg wrote:
Kelsier is scum btw
Only a little bit off here...
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Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.
So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town
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Giving hf the benefit of the doubt is not something I would be comfortable with
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On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not?
It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?
I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.
I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though.
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