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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 16 2017 04:23 GMT
#30
You know what. I think I just might /in and see if I have time to play later. In the past, I /in thinking I would have time then situations change and I half play.

/in


Tell me how you guys want me to play.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 18 2017 02:15 GMT
#51
This is a good sign. Looks like the game will start during the weekend. Should be able to dedicate time to Day. This means a possible chance of quality trolling.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 01:42 GMT
#107
On November 19 2017 01:16 Damdred wrote:
##lynch ve at twilight today



On November 19 2017 05:32 Damdred wrote:
First, confirmed town


On November 19 2017 05:33 Damdred wrote:
dammit just first on this page, oats is mafia though so life is easy


On November 19 2017 05:41 Damdred wrote:
Oats did make me laugh with his witty personity so dont think i want to lynch him today XD.



My heart.

Why so downcast?

The ails of hopes deferred shall in time fade by a tree of life.

Knowing so, you still ache as a woman before birth and a runner mid race.

Lynch today I hear

First town

First mafia

Lynch today I hear

The response. Speaks more than the pain. The reaction lasts beyond the incident, thus is of more importance.

It tells of the condition.

The diagnosis is that we are not well. How will we address this sickness? That is of significance.

I call for help to Him whom can.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 02:46 GMT
#111
The game goes on.

People trolling.

People talking nonsense.

Pretending their nonsense has meaning.

Arguing on little, so the big is hidden in smoke.

Yet here I am.

Am I also a spewer if nonsense?

Honesty is rare in these game if only coming by in a joking manner.

Yet here I am.

Hiding behind a persona. Knowing transparency would be my demise.

Today is one of those days I question my ways. Prudent I have heard.

Speaking plainly is not a well known option among the champions of these realms.

Perhaps there is a way to play with honesty. I could always be truthful of that which I do not want to disclose.

I could say my reads are confidential. My role is classified. I could play a defensive and honest game. I believe the telling of my reads will skew other town players thoughts and do not want to steer the town the wrong way unless I'm more confident. Of course, town will say no one is ever 100% confident in this game.... except for a few particular individuals who are even if they were wrong. Which begs the questions if they really were. If they had enough faith, could what they believe come to being? If it were just your faith alone, how would you explain being blindsided in life? This is where the positive thinking movements falls negative.

Honesty... speaking of faith without a troll. Is speaking with troll cowardly on such subjects? To hide behind personas the same as masks? Is it the same when you let everyone know you're acting and pretending? Though some may retrospectively say they were joking when an offense was taken. This is not good.

Deeper subjects is much more worthy of discussion to decide who to lynch than activity and grammar. The content and heart of the matter is more important. Let us stop looking merely at the outward appearance of paragraphs and color texts.

So, we shall have a debate. The first topic is this:

Shall we have a debate on a deep subject to determine who we shall lunch rather than rely on jokes and giggles?

I will watch the debate and choose a winner. The response to the debate which is of a greater matter as spoken of earlier will be of surprise. Let's play mafia with deep debate. Try a new game of one of you had desires. Else you risk a game of bore.

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 02:49 GMT
#112
On November 19 2017 11:23 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately

Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association.

Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho!


If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along.

Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests.

Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on.

Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick.


I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me.
Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers


I don't see anything damdred has done that warrants him lynchable, so I don't really get anything from him

You're allowed to dislike whatever you want, my friend.


Honesty on the deeper matters.

The last remark. How does that help with cconversion?

Also, how long have you two been friends?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 02:51 GMT
#113
On November 19 2017 11:23 Conversion wrote:
surprised oats isn't calling people scum/bad left and right for once though


Is this good, bad, or neutral? This surprise.. or do you even know? Are you just taking notes?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 02:53 GMT
#114
On November 19 2017 11:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 10:38 Damdred wrote:
On November 19 2017 09:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ruxxar and Oats have shown the let's leave a message here and disappear sort of approach, which raises flags to my eyes. I like Damdred

We definitely need to hear from some other posters. I know, I know, it's only been a few hours but I'm so angsty.

On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately

Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association.

Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho!


If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along.

Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests.

Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on.

Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick.


I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me.
Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers


That's unfortunate. You will find soon enough that life is not about easy choices.



What do you think of his answer on his lynch order?


His lynch order doesn't really matter, but I am concerned he was a tad bit too defensive. Kinda felt like he felt pressured to come up with scum lists. Peaced out afterwards.

KelsierSC is all passive and non-committal despite being fairly active, which I don't like, so I'm really interested to see how he will progress.

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote:
why is Stan scum again? is this some sort of aggressive pressure to get some info?


Well, props to answering your own question. He did give a response to which you said nothing about. Do you agree with my dislike of his response? Does it ... tempt you?


I see your questions and I question your questions. Do you love probing questions? Has this been successful in your mafia finding strategies in the past?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 02:56 GMT
#115
On November 19 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote:
why is Stan scum again? is this some sort of aggressive pressure to get some info?

Has anyone notice the amount of questions this game?

Do you think we should be questioning these questions?

Does asking questions and answering questions with questions hide your true motives and draw attend to the question instead of the individual unless the question is about someone or the question is so questionable that it begs to question?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:02 GMT
#119
On November 19 2017 07:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 06:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
KelsierSC, explain yourself. Are you pretending to engage in this banter in order to excuse yourself from posting?

Other than that, Stanislav Petrov seems like utter scum.

# Vote Stanislav Petrov



Am I pretending to post to avoid posting?

Are you questioning the questioner?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:09 GMT
#120
On November 19 2017 12:01 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 11:53 Chezinu wrote:
On November 19 2017 11:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 19 2017 10:38 Damdred wrote:
On November 19 2017 09:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ruxxar and Oats have shown the let's leave a message here and disappear sort of approach, which raises flags to my eyes. I like Damdred

We definitely need to hear from some other posters. I know, I know, it's only been a few hours but I'm so angsty.

On November 19 2017 08:45 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately

Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association.

Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho!


If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along.

Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests.

Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on.

Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick.


I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me.
Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers


That's unfortunate. You will find soon enough that life is not about easy choices.



What do you think of his answer on his lynch order?


His lynch order doesn't really matter, but I am concerned he was a tad bit too defensive. Kinda felt like he felt pressured to come up with scum lists. Peaced out afterwards.

KelsierSC is all passive and non-committal despite being fairly active, which I don't like, so I'm really interested to see how he will progress.

On November 19 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote:
why is Stan scum again? is this some sort of aggressive pressure to get some info?


Well, props to answering your own question. He did give a response to which you said nothing about. Do you agree with my dislike of his response? Does it ... tempt you?


I see your questions and I question your questions. Do you love probing questions? Has this been successful in your mafia finding strategies in the past?


I do love probing questions. As to the success, I cannot testify, but I do presume it is better than sitting still. The questions do not distract anything else because there is nothing to distract from.

Hopefully that answers your question and inspires newer, fresher ones.


I heard of science that a question multiplies when answers are sought. Does the amount of questions correlate to answer seeking individuals? Are researchers more incline to question openly? What percentage are secret questions, which are kept in the minds of the questioner as they read the thread?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:13 GMT
#122
On November 19 2017 11:58 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 11:46 Chezinu wrote:
The game goes on.

People trolling.

People talking nonsense.

Pretending their nonsense has meaning.

Arguing on little, so the big is hidden in smoke.

Yet here I am.

Am I also a spewer if nonsense?

Honesty is rare in these game if only coming by in a joking manner.

Yet here I am.

Hiding behind a persona. Knowing transparency would be my demise.

Today is one of those days I question my ways. Prudent I have heard.

Speaking plainly is not a well known option among the champions of these realms.

Perhaps there is a way to play with honesty. I could always be truthful of that which I do not want to disclose.

I could say my reads are confidential. My role is classified. I could play a defensive and honest game. I believe the telling of my reads will skew other town players thoughts and do not want to steer the town the wrong way unless I'm more confident. Of course, town will say no one is ever 100% confident in this game.... except for a few particular individuals who are even if they were wrong. Which begs the questions if they really were. If they had enough faith, could what they believe come to being? If it were just your faith alone, how would you explain being blindsided in life? This is where the positive thinking movements falls negative.

Honesty... speaking of faith without a troll. Is speaking with troll cowardly on such subjects? To hide behind personas the same as masks? Is it the same when you let everyone know you're acting and pretending? Though some may retrospectively say they were joking when an offense was taken. This is not good.

Deeper subjects is much more worthy of discussion to decide who to lynch than activity and grammar. The content and heart of the matter is more important. Let us stop looking merely at the outward appearance of paragraphs and color texts.

So, we shall have a debate. The first topic is this:

Shall we have a debate on a deep subject to determine who we shall lunch rather than rely on jokes and giggles?

I will watch the debate and choose a winner. The response to the debate which is of a greater matter as spoken of earlier will be of surprise. Let's play mafia with deep debate. Try a new game of one of you had desires. Else you risk a game of bore.



And so you've spoken. Let it be heard. Let us debate then, man of purpose.

Until there are more people on the board, I favor a lynch of policy. Silence is an unwelcome demon, and should not be emphasized in this light.

Though I am a bit curious. Explain please, to a simple mind, what the true meaning of the post you produced earlier. Are you expressing concern, since your reads must stay silent?

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 10:42 Chezinu wrote:
On November 19 2017 01:16 Damdred wrote:
##lynch ve at twilight today



On November 19 2017 05:32 Damdred wrote:
First, confirmed town


On November 19 2017 05:33 Damdred wrote:
dammit just first on this page, oats is mafia though so life is easy


On November 19 2017 05:41 Damdred wrote:
Oats did make me laugh with his witty personity so dont think i want to lynch him today XD.



My heart.

Why so downcast?

The ails of hopes deferred shall in time fade by a tree of life.

Knowing so, you still ache as a woman before birth and a runner mid race.

Lynch today I hear

First town

First mafia

Lynch today I hear

The response. Speaks more than the pain. The reaction lasts beyond the incident, thus is of more importance.

It tells of the condition.

The diagnosis is that we are not well. How will we address this sickness? That is of significance.

I call for help to Him whom can.







Honesty. I have no reads. I was merely entertaining myself and others with my writing. Day 1 is a time of fun where everyone can laugh and play without too much punishment. I must agree on the silence. Some guys posted some statistics that showed increased discussion (number of posts by town in a day) correlated with increase town wins. Communication is vital.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:15 GMT
#123
On November 19 2017 12:10 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 12:02 Chezinu wrote:
On November 19 2017 07:31 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 19 2017 06:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
KelsierSC, explain yourself. Are you pretending to engage in this banter in order to excuse yourself from posting?

Other than that, Stanislav Petrov seems like utter scum.

# Vote Stanislav Petrov



Am I pretending to post to avoid posting?

Are you questioning the questioner?


While I did laugh at this, I would wager that you have already asked more questions than I.
You also asked this pointless question after a very inspiring pep talk and multiple scoldings on the style I've brought to this game. I demand you answer my previous posts!



I likes you. I believe I have right before reading this post. Carry on!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:18 GMT
#124
Oh in that post I referenced the depravity of man and in the end I ended up praying to God since we are so hopeless without Him.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 03:57 GMT
#131
On November 19 2017 12:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2017 12:20 Damdred wrote:
Chez
Boson
Rux

is the start of an amazing if not marginally insane town circle.

Conversion, does anything give you pause or make you wonder yet?

Boson I would agree that his defensiveness moves him up/down in neutral. I am more interested in seeing him really defend the position on the lynch order.



Just for curiosity, why is Rux on this list? I've strong town vibes from Chezinu unless his mafia is an evil best not spoken of.
Rux is... ? Is this a meta read?

As to his lynch order, it would be more relevant how he pursues it I'd say. Though I do want to understand why you and KeslierSC are at the top of his list. Seems kind of arbitrary.


Whew.. deep content.. here we go!

Honesty..

Some years back I played a game with a player with your username...

On July 08 2013 23:42 Z-BosoN wrote:
I don't want to lynch Chezinu atm. We don't know exactly the mechanics of his nuke and he's sticking his head out drawing attention to himself pretty hard, early in the game. I'm not familiar with his playstyle, but scum generally don't do this.


You defended me.

I was mafia that game and won with oats.

I think you should know these things if you didn't recall or saw the endgame.

Honesty. Activity and attention seeking is not alignment indicating for me. Reflects my busyness in RL more than anything. To know me, well.. I don't know.. search "Chezinu is Chezinu" in the search bar. I'm sure you will get plenty of results.

Content. Contentment in the role we have and the activity levels of others.

Honesty. I partially said the above to move from town to brown, so the mafia are less likely to kill me. Smart or wrong?

Note to self: Make web association of likes.

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 19:13 GMT
#186
On November 20 2017 00:17 darthfoley wrote:
@Oats and @Conversion,

What are you thinking of this game so far? A decent amount of activity to base stuff off of

Also would appreciate someone translating Petrov's posts cuz I have no idea where he's going with anything he says


ooOOO! I can translate someone else!

Ok, so stan was like reading the thread and didn't know what to do with Rux, a strange character he is. Then he started to hypothesize. If Rux is mafia, this Kel guy could be working with him cause of the vibes. But then something happened in the thread. A man of confidence called damdred showed up exclaiming Rux is town cause he is not so smart and thus is town by his not so smart tells. So stan was like, that.. Somewhat makes sense... But then the paranoia came. Too much somewhat sense it made. How can damdred be so confident? He must know.. Know because he is mafia!? But I myself am not completely confident. Suspicious enough to say something thought. So, Stan sought the opinion of bystanders to question his stance cause stan is a wise and prudent man who questions his ways. He is more confident that damdred is mafia than Kel, because Kel was based on Rux being mafia and that hypothesis isn't as stable.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 21:37 GMT
#221
VE you came in here and voted my top suspect whom I did not disclose. Eyes that see?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 21:41 GMT
#224
On November 20 2017 03:51 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2017 02:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town


On November 20 2017 00:14 darthfoley wrote:
I still want Boson to explain why he's trying to make people choose into his determined lynch options 6 hours into the game


If you think Boson is town, why do you give a shit?

DF post string is pretty scummy. Too much indecisive shade throwing and too much trust in Chez over one super non-alignment indicative post.

#Vote Darthfoley



Because it's D1 and I don't see the point of it

Lol my Chez post was obviously not serious. His post was just hilarious. Your two reasons for scumreading me are really lazy


Proverbs 26:18-19


"
Like a maniac shooting
flaming arrows of death
is one who deceives their neighbor
and says, “I was only joking!” "





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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 21:42 GMT
#225
The fact that he said he was joking about not ever lynching me is what really got me.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 21:46 GMT
#227
I have. Chezinu Rule still unbroken. Crazy even after all these years. However, haven't played with many new folks. So, most games there isn't a chance for an effect.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 19 2017 21:47 GMT
#228
So to clarify this is a non-Chezinu Rule lynch
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 04:48 GMT
#717
HEY GUYS!!!!

I'm Chezinu!

+ Show Spoiler +
*cries* the betrays... Darth said he would lunch me and now boson no likes me cause I work?


I am thankful that the mafia won't kill me tonight and that they will respect Brown Day.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 05:09 GMT
#718
HF is bye bye.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 05:19 GMT
#719
On November 21 2017 09:05 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2017 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chez really?


Elimination I guess. He may have been busy irl, but today was a total no show for him.

He also went through the trouble of finding a particular post I made in 2013 where I was defending him. That can be interpreted either way, either as a mafia brag or as just a random thing that any Chez would do.

He mentioned he was telling me this so as to not get shot by mafia and not to look too townie, but his non-factor today would have been enough for that. Dunno.

It's ok Boson!!!! I'm going make tonight. You have to make the mafia think you want to lynch in the morrow. I can crazy by myself!! I can make them think they can lynch me. I love you boson!!! Wounds from friends can be trusted. I see you accuse me to protects me.. I understand.. You're a great friend.

On July 26 2013 07:56 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 07:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Z-boson, you think Koshi and Malango are scum because their play is very bad for town. I can agree with this in some ways. However, a big part of my problems with both Koshi and Malango being scum is that their play is really bonkers if they are scum. Try to analyze their actions from scum PoV and not only town PoV and see if you see what I see!


No, I think Malongo's play is very bad for town, and I haven't read koshi's filter yet.

Like I said, I originially thought Malongo's play to be weird-as-fuck to make from a scum POV.
However, remember Chezinu from nuclear mafia? Nuking MZ,a townie looking dude, for little reason? I thought that same thing, and disregarded any anti-town play coming up from chezinu. You can't base too much off of one action.

What I do know is that Malongo's play is 100% anti-town, and thus town will benefit from killing him, regardless of his alignment. And who knows, he might actually flip scum.

Think gumshoe from Nuclear, WIFOM ninja-voting. I do not regret that lynch. Same logic imo.

I've played in a game once where it ended up with grush and BillMurray (two vets who are pretty trolly and useless) in the endgame, with DarthPunk as scum. It was sad to see town ignore an uncounterclaimed cop's reads leading to the endgame and then losing, despite the game already been solved. Don't you agree, ShiaoPi? (he was the cop)

Anyways, my point is that D1 is likely a mislynch, so lets mislynch someone who we know is bad for town.

This will be the case unless Malongo decides to post and contribute with anything useful.


If I were a bunker, I would be a bank.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 05:45 GMT
#720
On August 22 2012 04:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Stutters
He has been fishing roles all game? I don't remember this, can you please find where? The only thing I can recall is him interpreting a dubious thrawn quote to say why he thinks thrawn is blue.

You basically said what's been said all game. YH uses WIFOM, is inconsistent, keeps changing his mind without specifying why. This to me is very scummy, as I've made clear for quite some time. But I will one-up this argument, I think I found something that, in my opinion will give a strong case against him.




Case against YourHarry

I will not go over again how stupid and confusing and useless his posting is, how that looks scummy, etc.
Ladies and gentlemen, the first thing YH says:

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 11:48 YourHarry wrote:
My meta:

My first game, Mafia XX, where I was vanilla town

My second game XXI. Again, vanilla townie.

My third game. First half of the game, I am mafia goon. The game restarted and I drew vanilla townie.

To summarize my meta, in the first 2.5 games, I am quick to make accusations and switch my vote players with little explanation. I decided to change my meta in game 3 where I drew vanilla townie. I played more conservative to avoid suspicion.

I am not sure which meta I will choose this game


I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .
I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .
I am not sure which meta I will choose this game .

He clearly indicated that he wants to follow a certain meta. Apparently, he has already decided which one it is. He is thriving on confusion. Look at some of his quotes from previous games:

+ Show Spoiler +

Release, I am not Grush.

I didn't particularly find lazer monkey's post scummy. This is a newbie game. He is simply providing some guidelines on what townies should avoid - since (I assume) that his previous games have been tainted by vanilla towns claiming power roles.

BTW, I am not OMGUSing Jingle. I just find it difficult to understand why he finds me scummy, since I think I explained myself and answered all of his questions. When someone is focusing his accusation on a player based on reasonable evidence, that someone could be town or scum.

But when someone is stubborn about his accusation on a player, even after the accused player adequately explained himself, I think that someone is likely to be scum. Maybe he is not satisfied with my answers. If so, Jingle, please tell me what you still think I am scum.

Here, someone may question whether my initial vote against Hopeless also makes me scummy for above reason. But as I explained, I don't particularly find him scummy and my initial attempt to incite responses from him and others did partially succeed - mostly in the forms of accusations toward me.

##Unvote

##Vote Jingle

Release:

I maintain that it was not an OMGUS battle, at least from my perspective. I had valid reason, at least from what little was available at the time, to suspect Jingle. And if Jingle is scum, my quick reconciliation is not necessarily scummy. At best, it's WIFOM. One can argue that scums would be hesitant to dismiss each other's scuminess, in fear that 1) obvious buddying may make both of them suspicious, exactly how you are suspecting both of us 2) other's scum flip will incriminate them.

Either way, my actions on end of day 1 to place the one of the deciding votes on Hopeless (especially when I previously expressed my opinion that I didn't think hopeless was particularly scummy, I could have easily justified my vote against someone else) and my willingness to vote against Jingle now should make me unlikely to be scum.

Also, in regards to miller providing a difficulty for town victory: miller counters mafia role cop and detective is soft countered by miller. Mafia role cop is gone and detective is still alive. So, miller's value to town is at extreme minimum. Of course, if detective was nonexistant, miller would be as good as vanilla townie.


The reason why medic shouldn't claim is obvious. Night2, the scum would roleblock medic and nightkill the detective. Medic role claiming does not allow us to gather any additional information on alignment of other players. However, this means that we must come up with a consensus on who we want to lynch way prior to the deadline so that medic does have a chance to roleclaim if somehow he gets picked to be lynched.

The reason for power role claiming immediately if they received the positive result is also evident. This is because what we will do today would be clearly decided: lynch whoever received the positive result. This also allows medic to anonymously protect the powerrole who got the positive result.

The reason for claiming in order is because we don't want two power roles to reveal their identity unless it gives us additional information. This prevents second power role role claiming just in case they targeted the same player at night. I think detective claiming first makes sense, because it is a more important role - so this allows medic to protect him at night.




This is some quotes from his previous game as townie. Notice the difference? He still throws information around a bit, but notice how it is toned down and how much more reasonable he seems.

One of the first things I have said in this game is that analyzing meta is weak and doesn't constitute arguments. However, YourHarry has been constantly playing the meta game, and even said so himself in the beggining of the game. He has decided he wants to be as confusing as possible, as random, as wishy-washy as he can.

Another thing that I noticed is generally not done is analyzing the nk's. Oh, Jhuyt just died, but he was such a strong scum suspect. O well, WIFOM, scum wants us to think that blah blah blah. Not in YourHarry's case. The only consistent thing he's done is be confusing. I'm sure we can all agree with that.

I raise now two points:
1) Why would this be the meta to go for a town YourHarry? Isn't it weird how much better his play was as townie in past games? Why would town Harry want to be as confusing as possible?
2) Jhuyt nk was confusing as hell. This entirely fits YH's profile this game. I cannot for the life of me come up with a better reason to kill JHuyt other than just try to confuse town. Since YH right now is confusion in person, this raises an uncanny coincidence.

But Z-BosoN! 2) is WIFOM and analyzing meta is weak!
Well, imaginary doubting friend, I don't think that this applies here. YH is strictly playing a meta game, and not ONCE did he abandon it. He's drowning in WIFOM, but I doubt that he would have considered this when deciding who a scum YH would want to kill, because up until now, all we've done is analyze the garbage he jams on his keyboard, but not the overall picture. Let's stop wasting time trying to think what a scum Harry would do, and think more about how a scum Harry would act.

So there it is folks, I think this makes a lot of sense, and should give you one more powerful reason as to why YH is SCUM!. Think about it and tell me what you guys think. I think this is the best option right now, I can't think of a stronger reason to lynch someone else.

##Vote YourHarry


You were right that he was mafia.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 05:47 GMT
#721
SOOO OP SAYS mafia has to kill someone and in the event that no hit is sent, the host will choose a random townie. What if there is no mafia? What if the host will just randomly kill us each round...
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 21 2017 05:52 GMT
#722
"Let us not dwell on what scum Z-Boson would do, and think more about how a scum Z-Boson would act."

-derived from a great message by Z-Boson

+ Show Spoiler +
This should scares the mafia away!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 22 2017 02:06 GMT
#864
Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


So, mafia killed Z-Boson.

Hapa started darthfoley lynch and seconded HF after voting Stan.

All Stan voters went to HF except Rux. Palmer votes HE.

Oats and VE maintain powerhouse on darth. Stan defends self by vote. Koshi inactivity sheeps powerhouse.

Kel votes random tumblewood, standing and making himself a target. Mafia did not kill Kel. Instead gives info with Z-Boson.

I still need to make my web association of likes as I noted to myself earlier. Ill now need to due it in honor of one who was well liked. I trusted your wounds my dear particle, I trusted the wounds. Now to face those who multiple kisses..
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 22 2017 04:47 GMT
#871
Ysy!! I love the eyes that see!


+ Show Spoiler +
To be honest, I was thinking about the fact that it has almost 10 years since I started playing mafia on this site... and I have yet to figure out how to scumhunt like a normal player. You have really cheered me up. Thanks.
I needed that.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 22 2017 04:54 GMT
#873
Now that I think about it... Are we going to have a celebration event for 10 years of TL Mafia?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 22 2017 05:00 GMT
#874
February 08 2008 21:55 CST



TL MAFIA 10 Year Aniversity

MeGa Game!


CHEZINU FINALLY HOSTS A GAME!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 22 2017 07:06 GMT
#876
Wow. I just went back to the first Mafia game. It all started from people playing mafia at www.staredit.net. People did not have deep personas. The regular speech in those games was kind of refreshing to read. Reading it seemed like it was a bunch of people in real life just relaxing and having a good time. A game pretty much free from vulgarities. Mafia was not exempt from regular teamliquid bans. They use to be extremely strict back then. As a result, people behaved well. Once people got competitive, we had a few individuals get ugly during the games. They were scolded by hosts for this back then. Some members left the community. Others justified it as saying it was part of the game. During these times, some of us started focusing on having fun over competitive winning (as school for me in real life was competitive enough - I wanted to have fun when playing mafia and not lose sight of why I started playing). People enjoyed my trolling which I was hesitant at first. Some pretended to hate it in the game and I believed them. Then find out post game they were just saying that because they were mafia. I slowly started to troll more and more when realizing people wanted me to troll. There came a point where I tried playing normal again, but then habitually started trolling again. I also found I played better when playing the trolling act. Thus, the house of brown formed, which order is explained elsewhere. There is so much history to cover in TL MAFIA. From beginning as clue games to having no clues, which people at first thought it wasn't possible to read people from text only, until some great players proved otherwise in an experimental game without clues. Clue games creating red herring eventually became unheard of. After many rounds of normal games, the community craved something new rather than rehashing the same games which were becoming predictable. At this time, new players were more likely to get lynch and the big names ruled the town. The size of a typical game became 30 players and day and night was still 24 hours each. The 48 hour days came later and I developed a habit of trolling the first 24 hours. Anyways, the community wanted something new. Theme games came, at first very sparsely. Then at one point, normal games were rare. The trolls and insanity increased in correlation with theme games. Because they were themed, they weren't real mafia - thus less competition and less fighting. Big names, who use to run town and way back became mayors, were retiring. RL took them as they acquired jobs and focused on their careers. Some attempted to stay playing less well as their former glory. Skilled players half heartedly playing the game torn between responsibilities. Those who left became but a memory. Those who stayed became trolls. Inactivity tarnished the reputation of those who once rule. But with that the next generation of players emerges. Those still in school with ample time to play and still find excitement in winning and fear of dying. Most long term players developed apathy towards death and winning. The game became the journey and the style in which one played.

..yeah I'm totally not mafia as my nostalgia is giving me more interest than this game where everyone leaves when I'm here.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 23 2017 18:57 GMT
#977
Happy Brown Day!!!!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:11 GMT
#1052
Looks like a blue died on Brown Day. How fitting.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:14 GMT
#1053
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:18 GMT
#1054
That was short..

don't think Stan is mafia


I know it's night, but even with this I don't think mafia will kill stan. So, I'll assume that's a check.

Dear Hapa,

I see your summons. My innermost thoughts are classified.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:27 GMT
#1056
On November 22 2017 11:06 Chezinu wrote:
Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


So, mafia killed Z-Boson.

Hapa started darthfoley lynch and seconded HF after voting Stan.

All Stan voters went to HF except Rux. Palmer votes HE.

Oats and VE maintain powerhouse on darth. Stan defends self by vote. Koshi inactivity sheeps powerhouse.

Kel votes random tumblewood, standing and making himself a target. Mafia did not kill Kel. Instead gives info with Z-Boson.

I still need to make my web association of likes as I noted to myself earlier. Ill now need to due it in honor of one who was well liked. I trusted your wounds my dear particle, I trusted the wounds. Now to face those who multiple kisses..



Damdred: (0) Stanislav Petrov
KelsierSC: (0) ruXxar, Conversion
Darthfoley: (5) hapahauli, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Stanislav Petrov, Koshi
Stanislav Petrov: (1) Conversion, Darthfoley, Damdred, hapahauli, tumblewood, ruxxar, darthfoley
Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, darthfoley
Koshi: (0) Ruxxar
Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood

Not Voting: Holyflare


Typical mafia strategy is to scatter votes when multiple townies are lynched.

Rux, you still around?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:29 GMT
#1057
On November 24 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2017 09:14 Chezinu wrote:
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now

More like paddle than dive

Hey, did you ever hear of the I die you die tactic when was a mad detective in mini mafia 2? Anyways, make the shot count tonight.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 00:33 GMT
#1058
Rux accused you oats.. he took the bait. As if he knew you knew.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2017 04:35 GMT
#1060
On November 24 2017 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2017 09:29 Chezinu wrote:
On November 24 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 24 2017 09:14 Chezinu wrote:
I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow. Activity should pick up after that.

Going to filter dive hapa now

More like paddle than dive

Hey, did you ever hear of the I die you die tactic when was a mad detective in mini mafia 2? Anyways, make the shot count tonight.

Hey

Don't worry we got Stan!
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 25 2017 04:41 GMT
#1105
Oh geez. I was sleeping both BE and oats as I thought they were powerhouse town. Now I actually have to scumhunt myself..
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 25 2017 04:43 GMT
#1106
Sheeping* VE*

I had a feeling and then VE had a feeling day 1 that Darth was bad guy. Placing vote on initial gut feeling for now.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 25 2017 04:45 GMT
#1107
On November 24 2017 16:29 ruXxar wrote:
What’s on your mind chez?

VE is dead.. The eyes that see... except for that last lynched. I didn't notice.. I'm red/blue blind.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 26 2017 02:58 GMT
#1118
On November 26 2017 11:52 darthfoley wrote:
So let's not vote me

Kel, Dam, or Rux?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 26 2017 19:28 GMT
#1159
On November 27 2017 03:38 darthfoley wrote:
It's annoying that you're refusing to change your read on me even though I've done a lot more than you're giving me credit for. I literally just cased Palmar for his scummy play d1 and D2, which you then reiterated.

Also Chez. Chez, chez. Bad boy?


I usually don't vote palmar.. ok, let's say you aren't mafia. What do you think about koshi?

Also (anyone can answer), what is the best guess of how many mafia there are? Cause right now if there are 3 mafia (as someone mentioned before), lynch is doomed right now.

We got about an hour. Now, is the time to do something.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:19 GMT
#1327
On November 30 2017 05:48 Koshi wrote:
Wp my mafia friends. Game was pretty easy for me. Just had to get Chez lynched.
Shoutout to df for surviving.
Shoutout to Ruxxar to be the only one to call out the entire mafia team.

Good timing. My plan was to start killing mafia starting with df. I was hoping no one would know there was a sk, especially with my day 1 action. Would yall have lynched Palmar if I was present to switch vote?
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:21 GMT
#1328
On November 30 2017 06:47 Z-BosoN wrote:
Chez I feel betrayed. How could you?

You were so town. My plan this time as sk was to kill town first then mafia. In the past, I have always killed mafia as sk and then usually town lynched me when mafia die. Was trying to balance it this game.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:31 GMT
#1330
On November 30 2017 06:42 Z-BosoN wrote:
DF you were really impressive as scum. Very nicely done.

Ruxxar was pretty solid too, at least in the first day.

Gg and thank hosts for hosting this


I didn't really read into DF. I was sheeping good town players. VE and Oats on that one. DF knew my role as 'watcher'. red flag but I was dead, so couldn't say anything.

Ruxxar usually tries to get himself lynch when he is town by attacking people too much. I noticed his meta was off this game. This made me suspect Damdred a bit when he supported him.

koshi voting last was red flag. especially when all the folks voting df flipped green/blue. it was down to him and stan. I was under the impression the hapa check stan, so koshi would have been my target on that list. Once again, good timing on role check.

town suspects:

Everyone was bother by Kel, so I may have killed him. But based on votes, I would have leaned koshi

After I died, post in Obs:


"Oh and I didn't even make my web of association. Was gonna map who liked who. Or who thought who was mafia/town.

After lynching df, I was planning on killong Kel or koshi at night. Then look into rux or Dam. Inactivity gets chez lynched. Holidays got me too ha"

I wasn't too terrible. Inactivity gets me...
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:32 GMT
#1331
On November 30 2017 09:29 Conversion wrote:
how does serial killer win?

Kill everybodies! last man standing
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:33 GMT
#1332
On November 30 2017 09:21 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 06:47 Z-BosoN wrote:
Chez I feel betrayed. How could you?

You were so town. My plan this time as sk was to kill town first then mafia. In the past, I have always killed mafia as sk and then usually town lynched me when mafia die. Was trying to balance it this game.

Btw, I felt the same way....

My pm to host..

From: Fecalfeast [ 9093 posts | Profile | Report ]
Subject: Re: *cries* me kills..
Date: 11/21/17 00:43
k

Original Message From Chezinu:
Z-BosoN

Z-BosoN is the target!

WhYYY!!!! *criez*
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 30 2017 00:34 GMT
#1333
Oh and I killed Oats just in case he was a vigi. He kind of made a post with Kel kind of hinting at it.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
December 01 2017 04:41 GMT
#1349
On December 01 2017 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
gg mafia

Next game lynch who I say instead of fucking around.

<3

I supported 100%
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